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Q2 2023 Earnings Call· Thu, Jul 27, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the First Bancorp. Second Quarter 2023 Financial Results Call. My name is Candice and I will be your moderator for today's call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the call over to our host Ramon Rodriguez Investor Relations Officer. Please go ahead.

Ramon Rodriguez

Analyst

Thank you Candice. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining First BanCorp's conference call and webcast to discuss the company's financial results for the second quarter of 2023. Joining you today from First BanCorp. are Aurelio Aleman, President and Chief Executive Officer and Orlando Berges, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin today's call, it is my responsibility to inform you that this call may involve certain forward-looking statements such as projections of revenue, earnings, and capital structure as well as statements on the plans and objectives of the company's business. The company's actual results could differ materially from the forward-looking statements made due to the important factors described in the company's latest SEC filings. The company assumes no obligation to update any forward looking statements made during the call. If anyone does not already have a copy of the webcast presentation or press release, you can access them at our website at fbpinvestor.com. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to our CEO, Aurelio Aleman.

Aurelio Aleman

Analyst

Thank you, Ramon. Good morning to everyone and thanks for joining our call today. Once again I have to say that we're very pleased to report strong results for our franchise. We earned $70.7 million or $0.39 per share during the quarter, which translated into a solid 1.51% return on assets. Pretax pre-provision was flat, continued strong when compared to previous quarter. A slight reduction in net interest income was offset by lower expenses and higher non-interest revenues. The provision for credit losses increased to $22.2 million and credit quality remained stable with non-performing assets representing just 63 basis points of total assets. All-in a great quarter with most KPIs moving in the right direction. This year we just began the celebration of our 75th anniversary for the company. That was going to be celebrating during the second half of the year. I'll take the opportunity to thank all my teams across the three regions for their work, their ongoing commitment to our organization, to our clients, and the communities we serve. A great first half of the year to continue moving forward. On the capital front, we completed our capital planning process during the second quarter and very pleased that our board approved an additional $225 million common share repurchase program. We expect to repurchase $150 million in common stock during the second half of 2023, of which $75 million relate to the remaining amount of the previously approved stock purchase program that was resumed early in July. Our ample capital position remains significantly above well-capitalized thresholds which allow us to continue growing the franchise on the current operating environment, while preserving shareholder value. Now, let's please move to page five to discuss some highlights of the balance sheet. The loan portfolio grew for the sixth consecutive quarter underscored…

Orlando Berges

Analyst

Thank you, Aurelio. Good morning, everyone. Second quarter was a very stable quarter. In the quarter, we faced net interest income pressures that we had mentioned in the prior quarter earnings discussion. We also saw some increases in the provision for credit losses, but ended up with a with a lower expense base. Net income as Aurelio mentioned was $70.7 million or $0.39 per share. If we exclude some non-recurring gains we had in the quarter, non-GAAP net income was $66.8 million or $0.37 a share. Adjusted pre-tax pre-provision income was $118 million, basically the same as last quarter and also as Aurelio mentioned strong return on assets at 1.51%. The provision for the quarter was seven million higher. It's mostly related to the growth on the portfolios and the impact of the projected deterioration on commercial real estate values at a national level which could potentially affect our markets even though we don't see it at this point. But still has been incorporated as part of the analysis of the provision. The effective tax rate for the quarter was down to 30.1% which is 1% lower. Last quarter was 31.2%. It's mostly related to reduce federal taxes estimates as funding costs have grown in our US operations. In terms of net interest income for the quarter it was $199.8 million which is $1.1 million lower than last quarter. Interest income was higher by $9.8 million, but interest expense grew $10.9 million in the quarter. In the commercial portfolio interest income grew $3.4 million, driven basically by repricing and higher yielding new loan originations. The yield of the commercial portfolio grew 15 basis points this quarter and the average balance was up $27.1 million. As Aurelio mentioned, the ending balance, the growth in loans was about $140 million this quarter.…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] So our first question comes from the line of Brett Rabatin of Hovde Group. Your lines are open. Please go ahead.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Hey. Good morning guys. I wanted to start with …

Aurelio Aleman

Analyst

Good morning, Brett.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

…the charge offs. Hey Aurelio, wanted to start with the charge offs in the quarter. I was having a little difficulty hearing but the C&I charge-offs. Can you go back over that what the C&I charge-offs were?

Orlando Berges

Analyst

The C&I charge-offs you might remember last quarter when we moved into non-performing 7.1 million loan we have in the Florida market which is on the energy industry which had some specific issues associated with the hurricane that happened the prior year and that case ended up non-performing at this point, collectibility of the case it's not clear. So we ended up charging the amounts that are expected not to be collected which was approximately 6.1 million. So that case that was the only large thing, every everything else was more or less in line, slightly lower on the consumer side on some components but in line with prior quarter.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Okay. And then if I heard you correctly you said the NNI dollars would be higher in the back half than the first half. And it sounded like from I was trying to write down the notes. So I want you to have repricing. I think, I heard you say $280 million of Securities Maturing. Are you guys assuming the margin reverts higher in the back half of the year and any thoughts on the magnitude?

Orlando Berges

Analyst

Well, on the back half that's what I was saying. There are positives and negatives in the sense that we see increases on the earnings side from, again as you mentioned on the investment portfolio repricing of some loans, repricing of cash and also the originations that are expected on the second half growth -- portfolio growth. We feel that that portfolio growth is the one that is going to push net interest income up margin. I am not so sure it's going to be up margin. It's going to be flat to slightly down in the quarter, but volume it's going to take us up again some of it could clearly the investment portfolio repricing doesn't happen from the start. It happens throughout the quarter. It's going to move 1.5%, sort of yields into at least 5.4% in a cash account or some something better than that on the lending side. So those are going to do pickups. But the government side will re-price with rate increases as the one we had yesterday and that would offset some of it.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Okay. I didn't quite understand the -- it look like during the quarter you used some you brought on some brokered CDs and at the end of the quarter anyway the balance sheet was a little more liquid in cash. And I know you were trying to get out some higher cost stuff as well but any thoughts on using the brokered CDs what that was related to as opposed to just using liquidity from the balance sheet to fund loan growth?

Orlando Berges

Analyst

Yeah, the brokered CDs we've been using it mostly on our Florida market. Not in Puerto Rico. We use balance sheet sometimes it's a function of a mix of tax implications. The use that we're expecting on some things in Puerto Rico what we want to keep in cash, because of the level of government deposits that we have that have some additional volatility. So all of that is taken into account, but at the end, it's a function of what how much we want to fund the operations from Puerto Rico or using some -- some direct cost in this case brokers in that operation. The Florida market has been very expensive and broker -- brokers that we're taking are not long-term. So we've been using that as a way of managing and balancing what we want to see on the future of the balance sheet.

Q -

Analyst

Okay. Great. Appreciate all the color.

Orlando Berges

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Timur Braziler of Wells Fargo. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Timur Braziler

Analyst

Hi Good morning.

Orlando Berges

Analyst

Good morning, Timur.

Timur Braziler

Analyst

May be -- following up on the line of questioning around the NII, it looks like the securities book from a period end balance is smaller than the average balance. I'm just wondering is that a timing issue? Because it would imply that the balance sheet is going to be smaller in the back end of the year and then you're going to seemingly have some pressure from just seasonality of public funds and those rolling off in the back end of the year. Is the outlook that the loan growth offsets that and the balance sheet is kept flat to higher and that's what's driving the NII growth? Because it seems like there's some structural headwinds just on the balance sheet size and getting NII higher.

Aurelio Aleman

Analyst

Well you know I think it's important. Orlando mentioned the 380 for example of cash flows in the second half of the year that comes from the investment portfolio are yielding about one 3148 The objective is actually to replace that with loans on the books and those laws on the books are coming in on average on a blended about 7.5% when you add all the products. So obviously there is an improvement there to NII. The offset to that is how much will be the delta on the deposit side. Okay. Specifically, government we do not expect government deposits to decline because there is a continuation of money coming in. Money goes out. There's a lot of inflow and outflow on that bucket net. This water was positive. They could decline slightly, but we don't expect a significant decline on those. The baton doses as you can see on the slide that we put together it's higher than in the other core deposits. So that 380 is important the size of the -- at the end of the day a you know there are loans that are that comes in to replace you know loans that paid off and mature. But what's I think what's going to drive the NII up is how much we can grow the portfolio. And obviously we've been achieving our guidance on that sense which is mid single-digit, but I would say the reality is that we have to do more than that in terms of growth to be able to achieve NII improvement. I would say net-bet it comes to that. If we grow what we've been growing it's going to be about flat what we just saw and again there's a lot of plus and minuses here that we are adding together and trying to simplify for you. But it will depend basically how much more -- I think if you look at the Treasury curves that could be a good indicator what happened with the short-term Treasury curves because that's where the pressure comes in competing with the with the deposit of the CDs and the government deposit. So the especially the one year Treasury as an indicator.

Orlando Berges

Analyst

Specifically, on what you mentioned the investment portfolio in actual dollars was down about 111 million in the quarter. The risk reduction that goes doesn't go into average which is related to the OCI valuation. That doesn't affect the average. But also if you look at the lending side the loan portfolio grew 140 million or so in the quarter and the average growth reflected on the portfolio was less than that. So when you consider those factors we don't see the balance sheet coming down because of that. It's reallocating it into some of the -- of the lending components that are coming into the balance sheet at a higher yield. And again as I mentioned we don't -- the level of government deposits that are that we have out there it's taking us to a higher level of also of cash kept on the account which we don't foresee reducing that at this point based on the composition of those deposits. That's why you what you see at the end is not a reduction on the balance sheet.

Timur Braziler

Analyst

Okay that's helpful color. Thanks for that. And then maybe just looking at the actual securities yields in the quarter it looks like MBS yields declined a good bit here quarter on quarter. Is that just a mix shift of what's rolling off? And I guess if the expectation isn't to reinvest future maturities kind of what do those bond yields look like as some of this 380 rolls off over the next two quarters?

Orlando Berges

Analyst

On the investment on the CMO side, especially, as there are two things obviously what's running off, but it's also a function of changes on prepayments from quarter-to-quarter that affects there is an average calculation that is done over time to incorporate repayment assumptions. And if that changes, it changes a bit the assumptions and we had some of the repayment of the prepayments assumptions affected that reduce a bit the amortization of some of the discount and premiums that we had on the portfolio that also created some of that variability that you are saying. As the 380 matures, those are things that that are mostly contractual maturities that are that are coming due on the next two quarters. And clearly with lower yields and those are going to reprice. But we don't expect to see significant changes on the yield on the remaining portfolio from what we have seen over the last two or three quarters.

Timur Braziler

Analyst

Got it. And then switching to the expense side, there was a comment in the prepared remarks that delayed capital expenditures is partially responsible for the better expense run rate. I guess what's the timeline look like for those capital expenditures and the fact that there is some delay? Does that mean the magnitude when that initially starts is going to be a little bit larger? So maybe just talk to the timeline of those expenditures and then what that actually does to the expense rate once those start to hit?

Orlando Berges

Analyst

When I say delays – when we said delays in there some of these projects not that they were put on hold. Some of these are ongoing. It's taking longer some of the stages of the project. So it's not going to be all at once kind of thing. It's going to happen over time. And that's why it's affecting – on the next couple of quarters, it's going to be lower, no matter what because of the pace at which some of those projects are ongoing at this point. So it's not something that you'll see hit at once because it's going to be unless we are able to accelerate some of it which at this point we don't foresee that on the larger projects. So that's why the run rate on – on that specific component will continue to be lower than we had originally anticipated.

Timur Braziler

Analyst

Got it. And then just lastly a modeling question. Do you have the average balance of public funds for the quarter?

Orlando Berges

Analyst

The average balance. I can – I don't have it handy Timur. I can get it to you. We ended up with in Puerto Rico with 2.9 billion of government deposits. We had I think 2.2 billion at the end of last quarter. But we'll get you the average. I don't I remember from the top of my head what's exactly the average.

Timur Braziler

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Alex Twerdahl of Piper Sandler. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Good morning, guys.

Aurelio Aleman

Analyst

Good morning, Alex.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

First off I was just curious what your expectations are for the balances of those government deposits over the next couple of quarters. If you expect those two to sort of flow out I guess with seasonality or maybe where you expect them to end the year.

Aurelio Aleman

Analyst

I will say most probably we'll stay around where we are today. I think we will see some in and outs. There's a couple of initiatives related to the energy that are linked to some of those deposits the energy plan. So if those are move ahead of the timeline, those deposit for this year is not a definitely by early next year they will which is the plan. So it's not a firm answer I know but that is just the volatility that is behind those. I think today I have to say you know, we should be okay for this quarter based on what we know what we see and the projects that are ahead of us. But aside from that it will depend on the timing of some of those projects that are linked to this.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Okay. And then are those I mean I assume that those are going to peak out at some level that's below Fed funds. Despite the high bid in nature. But I mean maybe you can tell us where those might peak out in terms of the cost. And then also just if you have the cost of you put the betas in here of the various buckets the interest bearing public funds, the time deposits and then sort of the core deposits, do you have the actual interest cost of each category?

Orlando Berges

Analyst

Yeah we – the average cost of broker of government deposits in Puerto Rico for the quarter was 270.It obviously, not all accounts are at the same – same type of accounts. Obviously, that does not include some non-interest bearing accounts or very low interest bearing accounts that are more of kind of accounts. But on average it's about 270 at this point. And there are some accounts that move straight with changes in rates others that are move a little bit differently. So that's where we have the average cost was about 50 basis points lower than last quarter. I ,mean higher than last quarter. I'm sorry about that.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Okay. And what about for non public fund deposits?

Orlando Berges

Analyst

Non-public funds only that includes if you look at a I need to take it take it out. Alex I don't have that one broken down. I'm sorry. I would have to we can include that as part of the disclosures. I don't have it broken down the non-government deposits separately.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Okay. Understood. And then Aurelio just going back to your comments on the loan outlook and I think you said very strong pipelines through the remainder of the year. And then I guess just based on your comment that the sort of new loan yields were like in the 7.5% range. Is that the assumption that the bulk of what you're looking at are you referring to is commercial in nature, or maybe just talk about maybe the complexion of the loan growth that you expect and if there's any big chunky moving parts in there that maybe could cause it to come in better, or worse any paydowns or anything that we should be thinking about for the third quarter?

Aurelio Aleman

Analyst

Yes, I think, I the third quarter is kind of in a normal in the normal run rate that we had in the first half. There are a couple of chunky ones for the fourth quarter that will that should close, I'm sorry in the fourth quarter. In terms of the year that I mentioned they're a combination of all the production that we do. Yes, there is. There is. There is a chart on the portfolio yield. It's like 10. How we have evolved with the trends and rates on a portfolio basis. You know it has accumulated about 100 basis points overall. But when you look at the blended that comes in happens to be around that number a little bit higher depends on the mix of consumer versus commercial.

Orlando Berges

Analyst

Alex to your question, I pull out the number. It's the cost of deposits of other deposits excluding government and time deposits. It's 68 basis points for was 68 basis points for the quarter.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Okay. That's great. Thanks.

Aurelio Aleman

Analyst

And on the chart that we had on the on the presentation, we did include the average cost of all funding sources. Including non-interest bearing, the average cost was the 123 that we included on the on the presentation. And you can see the movement on that on that chart over the last four quarters how the average cost has moved. That includes the wholesale funding and government and everything.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Got it. The security maturity that you alluded to I think you said 340 for the back or 380 for the back half of the year. Can you just break that out by quarter and tell us the, I guess, the first and the second quarter as well? I think that was you aggregated it all together in your prepared remarks.

Orlando Berges

Analyst

It was aggregated the -- it was not exactly 50-50. It was about 170 in the third quarter and the rest on the other -- on the fourth quarter.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Okay. And then you talked about getting back to your expense guidance. Just remind us that was I think $116 million per quarter.

Orlando Berges

Analyst

The guidance was 120.

Aurelio Aleman

Analyst

Excluding Oreo. That excludes Oreo. So if you look at with Oreo assuming that 2 million or so gain like we had this quarter would have been equivalent to 118. We exclude Oreo because of the volatility. We're still selling all the properties that we had there at lower values that we've been clearing different kinds of issues we could have with the properties and we're still generating profits. That number should eventually come down. But still it has been sustained over the first couple of quarters. We expect that number to be positive in the third quarter, but it's going to be probably a little bit lower than what we had this quarter.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Aurelio Aleman

Analyst

Thank you, Alex.

Orlando Berges

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kelly Motta, KBW. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Kelly Motta

Analyst

Hey, everyone. Good morning.

Aurelio Aleman

Analyst

Good morning.

Orlando Berges

Analyst

Good morning, Kelly.

Kelly Motta

Analyst

I guess, circling back to the expenses again, I know as you've touched on at length that part of the lower expense run rate right now has to do with some of these special projects you are undertaking and the timeline of that just as we look ahead can you remind can you remind us just like on a broad level of kind of what the things your strategically focused on over the next year or two that may comprise some of these projects whatever you're able to share?

Ramon Rodriguez

Analyst

Well, I think the largest component is migration to cloud of all IT components that encompass a significant number of projects. I think the other second one is process improvement is investment in technology that obviously will make us more efficient in terms of automated activity. So my behind it to and robotics RPA. So it's really primarily technology some facilities components to in line with it. But I will say that will be probably 80 over 20 meaning the technology side. And it's taking as Orlando mentioned it's not that it's being accumulated it's happening but it's -- we forecasted a faster pace and it's happening at a slower.

Kelly Motta

Analyst

Got it. That's helpful. I guess that's for cadence side. I’ll step back. Thank you.

Ramon Rodriguez

Analyst

Thanks, Kelly.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I said there are no additional questions at this time. Ladies and gentlemen that concludes today's call. Thank you for joining First BanCorp second quarter 2023 earnings results call. You may now disconnect your lines.