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First BanCorp. (FBP)

Q4 2023 Earnings Call· Wed, Jan 24, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to First Bancorp's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2023 Financial Results. All lines have been placed on mute during the presentation portion of the call, with an opportunity for question and answer at the end. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn this conference call over to our host, Ramon Rodriguez, Senior Vice President of Corporate Strategy and Investment (ph) Relations. Please go ahead.

Ramon Rodriguez

Analyst

Thank you, Candice. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining First Bancorp's conference call and webcast to discuss the company's financial results for the fourth quarter and full year 2023. Joining you today from First Bancorp are Aurelio Aleman, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Orlando Berges, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin today's call, it is my responsibility to inform you that this call may involve certain forward-looking statements such as projections of revenue, earnings, and capital structure, as well as statements on the plans and objectives of the company's business. The company's actual results could differ materially from the forward-looking statements made due to the important factors described in the company's latest SEC filings. The company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements made during the call. If anyone does not already have a copy of the webcast presentation or press release, you can access them at our website at fbpinvestor.com. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to our CEO, Aurelio Aleman.

Aurelio Aleman-Bermudez

Analyst

Thanks, Ramon. Good morning to everyone and thanks for joining our earnings call today. I will begin by briefly discussing our business performance for the fourth quarter first, then we'll move on to provide some high level highlights for the full year, and then share with you some of our priorities for 2024. Our fourth quarter results were highlighted by strong profitability and loan growth. We earned $79.5 million or $0.46 (ph) per share and generated a 1.7% return on assets. Our expenses for the quarter were impacted by $6.3 million FDIC special assessment expense. Excluding the special item, the adjusted efficiency ratio was 52.2% for the quarter. The quarter also reflected higher provision expense and some incremental operating expenses which Orlando will cover both in detail later. The loan portfolio expanded by $233 million or 7.8% linked quarter, annualized driven by growth across all business segments, particularly the strong commercial and auto loan origination, as we continue to deepen our share in those markets. Core deposits contracted slightly by 2%, as we continue to see a gradual erosion of excess liquidity of our market and NPA decreased again to just 67 basis points of total assets. We said for some time that credit metrics will gradually move closer to historical levels as the positive impact of excess liquidity related to the pandemic stimulus on the consumer decreases. We saw earlier a little bit of that in the fourth quarter actually also in the third quarter with the charge-off rate and loans in early delinquency for the consumer book registering a slight increase when compared to previous quarters. That said, our NPA and classified asset levels remain at multiyear lows and our reserve coverage ratio is also very solid and we continue to sustain and enforce our proactive risk management…

Orlando Berges-Gonzalez

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. As Aurelio mentioned at the beginning of the call, we reported $75.5 million gain for the fourth quarter. This is $2.5 million lower than the third quarter. However, earnings per share for the quarter were $0.46, which is the same we had on the third quarter. This result include a $6.3 million charge for the one-time FDIC assessment, as well as $3 million gain on the sale of our banking facility in our Florida region. The provision expense for the quarter increased to $18.8 million as compared to $4.4 million last quarter. As you may recall from last quarter's earnings call, the lower provision in the third quarter reflected the benefit of what we define as a less severe economic outlook on the third quarter that the one we had forecasted on the second quarter. This quarter the outlook remains similar, so the increase was mostly related to the larger loan portfolios and the higher level of consumer charge-off to some extent. The income tax expense for the quarter was $5.4 million, which compares to the $27 million we had in the third quarter. The effective tax rate came down from 28.2%, we had as of the third quarter to 23.5%. As we ended up the year conducting -- during the fourth quarter several activities that were not previously forecasted and which have tax advantages under the Puerto Rico code. Also we had a lower pretax income on the quarter, which also translated into a reduced tax. If we look forward, based on the current strategies that we have, we expect that the effective tax rate for 2024 will be around that 24% range, slightly under, slightly over, but it should be somewhere in that range. For the full year, net income was – full year '23,…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] So our first question comes from the line of Timur Braziler of Wells Fargo. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Timur Braziler

Analyst

Hi. Good morning.

Aurelio Aleman-Bermudez

Analyst

Good morning, Timur.

Orlando Berges-Gonzalez

Analyst

Good morning.

Timur Braziler

Analyst

Starting on the deposit side, I'm just wondering how the cost trend that the lag effect of public funds is in the rear view? You mentioned excess liquidity in your prepared comments a couple of times. I'm just wondering, can you frame what you consider excess liquidity remaining on your deposit base as that exists, is the expectation that it's back filled with brokered deposits, and then all in kind what does that mean for deposit pricing and cost as we go through the first couple of quarters of '24?

Orlando Berges-Gonzalez

Analyst

Well, in terms of cost, clearly what I mentioned in the call, in the remarks is that -- with rates being stable as we have seen over the last couple of months and the possibility of rates coming down, we believe that we're going to start seeing cost reductions in the market in terms of deposits. The only question continues to be still there could be some shift. We have a strong 34% non-interest bearing ratio to total deposits, non-interest-bearing deposits to total deposits. And we could still see a little bit, although, that's slowed down a lot in the quarter, that migrates to higher cost. Not all the time deposit portfolio has repriced, still some of the older things are coming due, and that should be some of the other side of the impact on the cost. But clearly on the -- most of the non-interest-bearing, I'm sorry, interest-bearing savings and checking accounts were there and government repricing shouldn't change much based on these rates. In terms of the liquidity -- of the excess liquidity, is that, obviously, what we have seen is the market…

Aurelio Aleman-Bermudez

Analyst

Yeah, market contracted. Overall market, Puerto Rico main market contracted about 3% in the first three-quarters overall market, of about 3% of the overall. In 2023, deposit about 7% -- contractable 7% in the Florida market. So, when we say excess liquidity, we really talk about there was a significant incremental liquidity that took place during the pandemic in 2021 and 2022, it actually started in 2020. That started obviously normalizing in 2023. And we probably expect a few more quarters of that normalization on the deposit, which is customers using that liquidity that they had in the accounts and they been buying more or consuming more. And also it's based on that data that we do expect that liquidity to be utilized. It was larger the contraction in the U.S. than in Puerto Rico. But also on a per capita basis, the pandemic brought more money into Puerto Rico rather than actually the U.S. on a per capita basis. Yeah.

Timur Braziler

Analyst

Okay. Thanks for that. And then maybe pulling it all together and looking at NII trajectory in anticipation of a forward, in anticipation of kind of modeling in the forward yield curve, forward rate curve. We have inflection in 1Q, you're assuming rate cuts begin in 2Q. Can you give us a sense of what NII trajectory looks like as we go through the year?

Orlando Berges-Gonzalez

Analyst

Well, in terms of actual percentages, we haven't given a specific guidance, but yeah, we're assuming that there is going to be a pickup on the margin going up, with those assumptions on the way, the market rates move. Again it goes back to the $1 billion in securities that will -- cash flows that would come in 2024, those securities are yielding less than 1.5%, that would be replaced with the lending side. The consumer lending portfolio is a fixed-rate portfolio, as well as most of the CRE portfolio, so those will continue to be there. But assuming rates move as expected, conversations of four to five rate cuts in the year should also lower the cost of deposits that would compensate for that. And the wholesale funding components are short-term nature, so they would be replaced with shorter -- I mean, lower rates. Therefore, we're assuming that net interest margin should start picking up going forward. The one caveat on the deposits is that obviously the non-interest bearing component, we saw more stability in the fourth quarter. But if it changes a lot, changes a little bit the dynamics, but still the overall, I believe, trend would be, as I just mentioned, with some improvements in margin.

Aurelio Aleman-Bermudez

Analyst

Actually and the other component [Multiple Speakers]

Timur Braziler

Analyst

Great. Thanks.

Aurelio Aleman-Bermudez

Analyst

We have a larger portfolio starting the quarter then we had the private quarter in terms of the loan portfolio size. Yeah.

Timur Braziler

Analyst

Got it. That's a good color. Thank you. And then just last for me, looking at credit, we're continuing to see a normalization of the consumer. It seems like from a charge-off standpoint, I guess a, how close are we to reaching what you ultimately expect to be a normalization and net charge-offs? And then, looking at the allowance ratio that's moved lower every quarter in '23, is that a sign of confidence around broader credit and could it ultimately get back to a level of pre-pandemic in the 17s (ph) again?

Aurelio Aleman-Bermudez

Analyst

Yeah. First, I think we will probably have a couple of more quarters of this consumer normalization closer to mid-year, we'll guess. On the other hand, remember that charge-up on consumers, they don't accumulate. So they move to charge up pretty quickly, so they cycle pretty quickly. So the ACL, the allowance that you state is a function of what remains on the portfolio. And obviously, the coverage you see on the provision every quarter if we have to increase the coverage or not to absorb the losses. So, we haven't done a projection on that matter. But as of today, obviously, if you take it by probably -- mortgage business, its showing much better metrics than pre-pandemic, as you mentioned, commercial also and consumers still not getting [Technical Difficulty] multiple products, which we manage the book as a one large book, which is now $3.6 billion. So under that, auto is primary and it's still registering much better performance in terms of charge-off rate than we had pre-pandemic.

Orlando Berges-Gonzalez

Analyst

What you're seeing is the commercial side it's behaving very well. So we have seen some of that reduction coming on the commercial portfolios. As you have seen on the release, the consumer side has increased in the allowance coverage only because of this trend. You mentioned a 1.7 or something in the call, I don't remember what you're referring to, but we can discuss more. We were above 1.7 if you were talking at our ACL, pre-pandemic. So we can discuss later if you want a little bit of those ratios.

Timur Braziler

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Alex Twerdahl of Piper Sandler. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Alexander Twerdahl

Analyst

Hey, good morning.

Aurelio Aleman-Bermudez

Analyst

Good morning, Alex.

Orlando Berges-Gonzalez

Analyst

Good morning, Alex.

Alexander Twerdahl

Analyst

Orlando, with respect to your NII and your NIM guidance, which I think you said is inclusive of rate cuts, what if we don't get rate cuts? Is the repricing in the -- on the asset side, you think sufficient to fully offset deposit, I guess, continued deposit pressure?

Orlando Berges-Gonzalez

Analyst

I believe so, Alex. Remember that a significant portion of the pressure, again, on the way of pricing and the market was foregoing deposits. Rate stay where we are. It shouldn't be similar -- that repricing shouldn't be similar to what we face in the past. The only repricing on the deposit side would definitely come from the maturing time deposits. Still that -- that is a manageable one. But once you consider that the lending portfolio, it's larger -- it has a yield up of 7%, meaning on the commercial side it's going to be a little bit less combined, but it's still a very ample yield. And the fact that the investment portfolio, as I mentioned continues to run off, and it's a very low yielding, we should definitely be able to still increase the margins, assuming those components.

Alexander Twerdahl

Analyst

Okay. And then you kind of alluded a little bit to sort of the yield on commercial loans. Can you just give us a sense for -- you know, like what sort of spreads are like down there right now? We've seen a pretty big pullback in the five year, and I think some bank managements are saying that customers are demanding that and others are saying that they've got pricing power. I'm just kind of curious, where you're able to put on new production in Puerto Rico?

Orlando Berges-Gonzalez

Analyst

The overall yields on the commercial portfolio, on the portfolio -- on the general loan portfolio it's about 7.73% (ph) as of the -- for the third quarter. The spreads we continue to price similarly, which are based on market rates. So we try to sustain a spread according to internal profitability models that we want to achieve on each case, considering operating expenses and things like that. So you'll see depending on the kind of loan and the kind of pricing, somewhere between 2.5% and 3.5% spreads. But it all depends on the terms and the nature of the facility. So over market terms, I'm assuming over market rates. So the consumer side, we continue to see on the auto yields above 8%, credit card, it's priced out of a prime rate, so it's -- the 16% to 18% range. And obviously, residential, we do exactly the same as you see on the marketing in the U.S. But we are not adding too much in terms of portfolio on the residential side. So the average yields on that portfolio are around 5.70% or 5.80% on the overall portfolio. And that should stay somewhere in there because of the movement of the new cases. The repayments are upsetting a lot of what we put in and the new things we put in.

Alexander Twerdahl

Analyst

Great. Thanks. And then, I guess, just a final question for me, just as I think about capital and capital generation and really you -- I think mentioned in your prepared remarks, third year of a 100% payout. And you think about the growth down in Puerto Rico, it seems like the growth that's available, even though it's picked up a lot is probably still not sufficient to utilize the full amount of capital that you guys generate every year. So is it fair to assume a 100% payout, with respect to dividend buyback in the near term should continue?

Aurelio Aleman-Bermudez

Analyst

Yes, it's a fair assumption. Yes, that's correct.

Alexander Twerdahl

Analyst

Perfect. Thanks for taking...

Orlando Berges-Gonzalez

Analyst

We...

Aurelio Aleman-Bermudez

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Kelly Motta of KBW. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Kelly Motta

Analyst

Hi. Good morning. Thanks for the question. I may circle back to the loan growth side of things. I appreciate the color that you are budgeting or looking for mid-single digit growth, but it sounded like you were optimistic that perhaps you could do more, can you? One is that, was that the right interpretation? And two, where could you see opportunities to do better, or conversely where might there be more pressure?

Aurelio Aleman-Bermudez

Analyst

Yeah. Obviously, the mix, if you look at the three prior years, we have achieved double-digit growth in the consumer. We expect that demand to reduce a little bit. Obviously, the larger the portfolios, the repayments are larger too. So when you combine demand and repayment, so we don't see double-digit growth in the consumer world this year. On the other hand, we do have the construction portfolio. So we see, we experience mid-single digit in the commercial overall, when we add the disbursement that we expect next year in the construction. So that should actually be larger than that. And then mortgage, we see basically almost flat year, we have achieved in the most recent quarter. So definitely we look for opportunities to do better than that. But obviously, when we look at all the noise around the world and rates, I think rates could improve that. So we'll see how markets move and how the rate cuts motivate that incremental investments for us to continue to participate. So that -- but obviously, we're sticking with our guidance on mid-single, obviously we will -- we like to do better.

Kelly Motta

Analyst

Got it. That's helpful. And clearly, this quarter growth was impacted by metro pieces (ph). Just wondering, I appreciate the color overall about where new commercial production yields are coming on. Just wondering, if that kind of larger loan was noticeably different than where commercial loans are being typically priced right now. Just to be mindful of modeling it as we head into 1Q.

Aurelio Aleman-Bermudez

Analyst

No. It was on the same, it was -- in fact, I think that's probably going to, you can get on the high side of the range that Orlando mentioned.

Orlando Berges-Gonzalez

Analyst

Yes. [Multiple Speakers]

Aurelio Aleman-Bermudez

Analyst

And then the pile of mix, I have to tell you, the commercial pile of mix is very healthy. Definitely some projects on the reconstruction side for housing supported by CDBG, some – the acquisition of businesses, expansion of businesses. So really – today, we see the pipeline as a healthy one, if we compare to what we saw the last quarter or so. So obviously, the -- as we said always, the 150 loan was a one-off loan, not the usual loan that we do every quarter. But what we see enough volume additionally to continue sustaining the level of commercials that we did last year. Yeah.

Kelly Motta

Analyst

Got it. And maybe a last housekeeping question for me. It seems like the repricing of the securities is going to be a big part of the story as we head through this year. Can you remind us what -- about where those securities are rolling off at? It just similar to where average security yields are now?

Aurelio Aleman-Bermudez

Analyst

Well, the average yield on those securities are -- on a non-taxable equivalent basis is about 1.5%. So that's basically the average of what's rolling off, should be close to that.

Kelly Motta

Analyst

Appreciate it. I'll step back. Thank you so much for the color.

Orlando Berges-Gonzalez

Analyst

Thank you, Kelly.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. As there are no additional questions waiting at this time, I'd like to hand the conference call back over to Ramon Rodriguez for closing remarks.

Ramon Rodriguez

Analyst

Thanks to everyone for participating in today's call. We will be attending KBW Financial Services Conference in Boca on February 15; Bank of America's Conference in Miami on February 21; and Raymond James Institutional Investor Conference in Orlando on March 5. Looking forward to seeing a number of you at these events, as we greatly appreciate your continued support. Have a great day. Thank you.

Aurelio Aleman-Bermudez

Analyst

Thank you.

Orlando Berges-Gonzalez

Analyst

Thank you, all.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us on today's call. Have a great rest of your day. You may now disconnect your lines.