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First Commonwealth Financial Corporation (FCF)

Q4 2018 Earnings Call· Wed, Jan 30, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the First Commonwealth Bank's Fourth Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Ryan Thomas, Vice President of Finance and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Ryan Thomas

Analyst

Thank you, Sean. As a reminder, a copy of today's earnings release can be accessed by logging on to fcbanking.com and selecting the Investor Relations link at the top of the page. We've also included a slide presentation on our Investor Relations Web site with supplemental financial information that may be referenced throughout today's call. With me in the room today are Mike Price, President and CEO of First Commonwealth Financial Corporation and Jim Reske, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. After brief comments from management, we will open the phone call to your questions. For that portion of the call, we will be joined by Jane Grebenc, Chief Revenue Officer and President of First Commonwealth Bank; Brian Karrip, our Chief Credit Officer; and Mark Lopushansky, our Chief Treasury Officer. Before we begin, I would like to caution listeners that this conference call will contain forward-looking statements. Please refer to our forward-looking statements disclaimer on Page 2 of the slide presentation for a description of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those reflected in the forward-looking statements. Today's call will also include non-GAAP financial measures. Non-GAAP financial measures should be viewed in addition to, and not as an alternative for, our reported results prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP operating measures can be found on top of Page 13 of today's slide presentation. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Mike Price.

Mike Price

Analyst

Thanks, Ryan, and good afternoon everyone. In the fourth quarter, core earnings per share of $0.27 reflected margin expansion of 3 basis points to 3.70%; and loan growth was strong at $115 million or 8.1% annualized; core return on assets improved to 1.39% in the fourth quarter; the core efficiency ratio of 57.45% improved as well but was somewhat higher than our sub 55% target; improved credit quality led to provision expense of only $1.5 million. Looking back on 2018, I wanted to begin by highlighting several themes. First, 2018 represents First Commonwealth's sixth consecutive year of double-digit core earnings per share growth. In 2018, even adjusting for the change in the tax rate security gains, core earnings per share was up double digits again year-over-year. Second, our deposit franchise continues to be a strength of the Bank and provides stable low cost funding. Additionally, as interest rates increased over the last 12 months, our deposit franchise proved resilient as a commercially anchored base, loyal consumers and disciplined pricing kept our deposit betas under control. Third loans grew 6.7%, including the Cincinnati acquisition in 2018, but there is a little more to the story. Simply put, our portfolio has become more granular and our key credit quality metrics are at the best levels in over a decade. Fourth, our noninterest income was upset substantially year-over-year. Our few businesses for next year of strong note to include SBA, mortgage and wealth. Fifth, on the heels of four successful Ohio acquisitions, we've built a capable commercial banking franchise and engine for future growth in each market. We are seeing strong traction in Northern Ohio, Columbus and Cincinnati in both loans and deposits. Building on several of these 2018 themes with a little bit more detail, for the full year of 2018, net…

Jim Reske

Analyst

Thanks Mike. Fourth quarter financial results were favorable, but fairly uneventful. I do, however, have a few minor technical things to note. First, as Mike mentioned, the margin expanded by 3 basis points consistent with our previous guidance of gradual quarter over quarter margin expansion. Non-maturity deposit betas remained in control at 20% in the fourth quarter and 25% for the full year. And loan replacement yields are positive across the board for an effective loan beta of 60%. Purchase accounting contributed 5 basis points to the net interest margin in the fourth quarter, unchanged from the prior quarter. Second, we not that non-interest income, excluding securities gains was up appreciably year-over-year. There was a change in revenue recognition accounting rules that affected the whole industry in 2018 that in our case suppressed non-interest income by approximately $3.4 million in 2018, $2.5 million of which hit the insurance and retail brokerage line. Now, the accounting change depresses non-interest expense by the same amount, and so it's a wash to the bottom line but it does affect the year-over-year comparisons with fee income. After adjusting for this accounting rule change and for securities gains and even for gains on the sale for non-performing loans in the second and fourth quarters, non-interest income was up by $6.7 million over last year as the fee businesses contributed significantly in 2018. Third, our fourth quarter results reflect $1.7 million relief of specific reserves related to the successful resolution of the C&I credit in early January. I would note that because the C&I payoff came in the first few days in January, we were able to true up the reserve to 12/31 and release $1.7 million in excess specific reserves in the fourth quarter that have been provided for in previous quarters. But the loan…

Operator

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Frank Schiraldi with Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead.

Frank Schiraldi

Analyst

Jim, you mentioned the margin. You talked about how many rate hikes are baked into it. But it sounds like it doesn’t really matter all that much how many we get so your guidance for slow and steady quarterly improvement. Is that still would you say along the lines of 3 bps a quarter?

Jim Reske

Analyst

Yes, that’s about right, Frank. 2 to 3 bps a quarter seems about right to us. In any given quarter, it's hard to predict it with perfection but that's what we expect.

Frank Schiraldi

Analyst

And is that core to the purchase accounting offsetting any of that?

Jim Reske

Analyst

Not much. The purchase accounting like I said was 5 basis points, last quarter it's 5 basis points this quarter. I did actually look at the exact number this quarter, it declined by a grand total of $68,000 quarter over quarter out of Bank that has several hundred million of spread income. So it has almost no effect out of that number, there's almost no effect.

Frank Schiraldi

Analyst

So on a linked quarter basis, you expect the variance there to be pretty small it sounds like?

Jim Reske

Analyst

Yes, I think it ends up being around to less than 1 basis point of margin of per quarter of NIM fade out.

Frank Schiraldi

Analyst

And then just lastly just obviously nice to see the dividend increase and you completed, sounds like from Mike's comments the buyback that you just put in place. So how do you think about buybacks from here? How do you think about additional authorizations and the stock level here for buybacks?

Mike Price

Analyst

I think we'd like to be in the market with the buyback to be opportunistic from time to time. But our first preference to deploy capital is organic growth and then other as we have demonstrated in the past smaller accretive opportunities that are both strategic and accretive in the first year of the acquisition.

Jim Reske

Analyst

That's exactly right. We see smooth steady increases in the dividends and returning capital to shareholders in the form of buybacks to be an effective way to manage capital. But as Mike mentioned, our first preference is always organic growth or acquisitions we just can't -- plan the acquisitions as they come when they are available.

Mike Price

Analyst

And our batting average on acquisitions is we probably have looked at 25 to 30 things Jim to do before, so we are pretty picky.

Frank Schiraldi

Analyst

I mean, as you certainly got pretty aggressive on the buyback in the fourth quarter. So is it fair to say if prices got back down to where we saw in December that you would get again more aggressive on the buyback?

Jim Reske

Analyst

No, I don’t know. First of all, we don’t have any buyback in place and nothing to announce in that speaking hypothetically about buybacks and our philosophy in the future. The fourth quarter was a real opportunity given the reaction to the third quarter earnings releases, so we saw that as a real buying opportunity. And of course that helps our -- getting the shares out of circulation, helps our share count and our earnings per share for both the fourth quarter and the full year 2019. But I think we would probably be a little less aggressive on future buybacks if we go down that road in the future at some point. It’s a little bit like you are saying Frank being really having some dry powder at some point to be able to buy on stock bps, that’s what if the price were to go down from here, you would want some authorizations so you could buy on that but again, speaking clearly hypothetically. I would note by the way just for the record our pricing which we did to repurchase for the fourth quarter was $13.56 average price and I think that’s actually a little less than we're trading for that.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Steve Moss with B. Riley FBR. Please go ahead.

Zach Weiss

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Please go ahead.

This is Zach Weiss from Steve's team. Thank you for taking the question. I guess first one on the loan to deposit ratio. Just curious how high you all are willing to take that if we end up getting loan growth in excess of deposit growth, and would funding for that come from securities or wholesale funding in your mind? Thanks.

Mike Price

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Please go ahead.

We look to keep pace with loan growth through deposit growth. We haven't been extraordinarily aggressive with CDs and time deposits, so we have that a bit in our pocket. Our time portfolio is probably undersized relative to our peers. We have a nice commercial base of deposits and that's really where we are focused on growing.

Zach Weiss

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Please go ahead.

And then on credit, I may have missed it when you touched on this. But how should we expect the loan loss reserve to trend from here in 2019 and maybe the incremental credit costs from the provisioning if we’re going to get outsized C&I growth in the upcoming year?

Mike Price

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Please go ahead.

It'd probably trend a little higher. And I mean it dipped somewhat but as Jim mentioned, we had some clean up in credit in the fourth quarter. And our numbers like a reserve coverage and other lead indicators look as good as they've looked in a long time.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Russell Gunther with DA Davidson. Please go ahead.

Russell Gunther

Analyst · DA Davidson. Please go ahead.

Wanted to circle back to the margin discussion, I appreciate your thoughts on the outlook for '19 and hear you loud and clear on some of the mortgage retention, but as you think of that mid-single digit growth. Could you share with us your thoughts on the mix of that growth be it C&I, CRE throughout the portfolio? Thank you.

Mike Price

Analyst · DA Davidson. Please go ahead.

As we look at our plan that we put together and just presented to the board a month or so ago, probably the largest proportion of that growth mid single digit is on the commercial side and the largest proportion of that is C&I lending. And that’s really across the board it's everything from a dealer floor plan, SBA. The smaller end of C&I up through what we call middle-market. So that’s our focus and that’s really been our focus as we build commercial franchise and a chassis on top of the acquisition opportunities in Ohio. And we also on the other side of the ball on the retail side will do, I think we'll do a job again in mortgage and our branches have really made terrific progress with their loan productivity and what used to be running away from us in a little negative, a bit right at the ship there. And it's neutral to growing slightly, so that's pretty much the whole gamut.

Russell Gunther

Analyst · DA Davidson. Please go ahead.

And then on the fee side, the 2 to 3% growth off of adjusted. I saw that the SBA was up a little this quarter. If you could you share with us what the dollar amount was in 4Q18 and what you're expecting within that vertical from a fee perspective?

Mike Price

Analyst · DA Davidson. Please go ahead.

Yes, I'm looking at the origination number I’m not looking at the income numbers. So forgive me.

Jim Reske

Analyst · DA Davidson. Please go ahead.

We may have to get back to you on the question. I am not sure I have the actual breakout exactly right now.

Russell Gunther

Analyst · DA Davidson. Please go ahead.

And then just last one for me on the expense side of things. I want to make sure I heard you, the $49 million to $50 million a quarter excludes intangible amortization expense. Correct?

Mike Price

Analyst · DA Davidson. Please go ahead.

That’s correct.

Russell Gunther

Analyst · DA Davidson. Please go ahead.

And then the 55% to core efficiency target is something you would expect to reach by the end of '19, or would we be able to post 2019 full year 55%? Just how should I think about that?

Mike Price

Analyst · DA Davidson. Please go ahead.

The former, not the latter.

Jim Reske

Analyst · DA Davidson. Please go ahead.

Yes, by the end of…

Russell Gunther

Analyst · DA Davidson. Please go ahead.

Okay, great…

Jim Reske

Analyst · DA Davidson. Please go ahead.

So just to be clear, by the end not [Multiple Speakers]…

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Collyn Gilbert with KBW. Please go ahead.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead.

Mike, if we could just talk a little bit more about the favorable C&I growth that you're seeing and the optimism that you have surrounding that segment. How much of your anticipated growth in '19 is from current customers coming back into the fold or new customers? And I know you offered that Ohio, you're seeing some good opportunities. But are there any other geographies too that are driving some of the favorable results that you are expecting this year?

Mike Price

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead.

We are just seeing pretty good pipelines and growth that built throughout the year in Ohio. We also saw nice growth unusually in our community PA markets, particularly on the smaller end of the C&I portfolio. And just this is more tactical, I think Jane Grebenc and team are just doing a lot of things like blitzes, calling, it's fairly tactical I think in terms of how we are getting results and winning on both the deposit and the loan side. I don’t know if that’s helpful, Collyn.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead.

It is helpful. And then also, I don’t know Jim if you have a dollar amount of commercial loan pay downs that you guys saw throughout '18 or even in the fourth quarter.

Jim Reske

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead.

Yes, I don't know if we did it, I would disclose the exact amount. But I can tell you for commercial loans with little bit a crescendo in the third quarter and then it came down in the fourth quarter. And I'll rattle off these numbers for you. This is the quarterly progression in commercial loan pay downs going quarter to quarter; 241 in the first quarter; 190 in the second quarter; 311 in the third quarter; and then now to 262 in the fourth quarter. So slow down on pay and commercial payouts really did help enhance our loan growth rate in the fourth quarter.

Mike Price

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead.

You have also saw some construction loans and some draws on existing loans that really helped and again the Ohio markets kick in.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead.

And then, Mike, could you just give us your thoughts on the M&A environment? I mean, you guys obviously have been very active there. And how you see opportunities unfolding as it relates to M&A in '19?

Mike Price

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead.

We did not see a lot of add backs in 2018. It's really that simple. Just a few things, we saw some national opportunities which were not our cup of team. Ideally, it would be in our geographies and perhaps an overlap and a little bit of a takeout or a slight expansion in the contiguous market, which would be natural for us. But other than Foundation Bank in Cincinnati in the first half of the year, there didn't seem to be much out there in our backyard. Jim, anything you want to add?

Jim Reske

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead.

No, I think that’s exactly right. It’s a continuation of our previously reiterated M&A strategy.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead.

So it will be, I mean, the expectation is M&A will be -- you're anticipating it to be fairly quiet going forward?

Jim Reske

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead.

It is hard to anticipate, it's opportunistic. We're looking for opportunities within our markets for our overlap acquisitions. The depositories or we could take our costs growing contiguous circles around our current markets so that we can reach to far geographically. Its consistent messaging out for a while, it just depends on those things to come up for sale.

Mike Price

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead.

I mean, to go and make a call on a customers, none of us need to get on a plane. We could drive and get back the same day and we know the markets and so that’s -- for better or worse that’s been a focus of ours.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead.

And then just one last question. Have you guys seen any impact or do you anticipate any impact in the first quarter from the government shutdown?

Jim Reske

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead.

Little bit, bear in mind that we have talked about that with some of our customers through our branch network trying to give a few individuals that might have been affected by the shutdown. But it's all anecdotal. We want to be -- that makes us responsive with those customers, but none of that affects financial results.

Mike Price

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead.

I don’t believe so. I think with the marketing function and the commercial functional really set up a nice hot line. And we probably had several dozen calls where we were handing consumers and businesses one by one that were impacted by the shutdown. And so we were responsive, I was really proud of the team. We watched SBA lending closely as well, because that would obviously be more impacted.

Jim Reske

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead.

Right, some of that affects our ability to sell the SBA loans, the guaranteed portion of SBA loans during the shutdown. Speaking of SBA by the way, I know -- so let me return to that question from the earlier call about the amount of fee income from SBA loans is about $0.5 million in the fourth quarter, so that’s from zero a year ago quarter. So it's expected to grow from there.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Daniel Cardenas with Raymond James.

Daniel Cardenas

Analyst · Raymond James.

Really most of my questions have been asked and answered, but just want to get a sense. I appreciate the color on the non-performers and the clean up that we can potentially expect here in Q1. But can you give us maybe a little bit of color as to what you're seeing on the watch list. Are there any trends out there that are beginning to concern you? I mean credit metrics have been very good for a while and we've seen some improvement throughout the course of '18 for you guys. But is there any sense that maybe we’re hitting a tipping point in your operating markets?

Mike Price

Analyst · Raymond James.

I can't resist. We have our Chief Credit Officer here. Brian, any comments from you?

Brian Karrip

Analyst · Raymond James.

We continue to track, monitor and manage credit risk within the bank. Our watch list is actually down quarter-to-quarter. And we continue think our portfolio is well behaved and well marked.

Daniel Cardenas

Analyst · Raymond James.

And on the buyback, was that towards the end of the quarter?

Jim Reske

Analyst · Raymond James.

No, we've actually done shortly after we came out of blackout after the third quarter earnings release. So, I think by rule we have to out of the market for two trading days after earnings release. And we are given the price drop we were in the market the third day. So it was executed in basically in the middle of quarter.

Daniel Cardenas

Analyst · Raymond James.

So, then as I think about a weighted average share count for you guys, what would be a good number to use?

Jim Reske

Analyst · Raymond James.

We might have that. We will have a share for the fourth quarter.

Daniel Cardenas

Analyst · Raymond James.

With that full quarter number, are we good for '19, I guess is what I'm asking.

Jim Reske

Analyst · Raymond James.

Yes, that would.

Daniel Cardenas

Analyst · Raymond James.

All right, thanks guys.

Jim Reske

Analyst · Raymond James.

Let me just go back and clarify that. Really the fourth quarter average continued at but by the end of the period, you could just carry the end up period. I mean because they're no issuances or buybacks in the 2019. So just took out the fourth quarter year-end share count number for you, number for 2019.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions in the audio queue. This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Mike Price President and CEO.

Mike Price

Analyst

We just appreciate your interest in our company. And Jim and I and others are a phone call away if we can be helpful on questions about our performance. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. And you may now disconnect.