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First Financial Bancorp. (FFBC)

Q4 2013 Earnings Call· Fri, Jan 31, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. And welcome to the First Financial Bancorp Fourth Quarter 2013 Financial Results Conference Call and Webcast. All participants will be in listen-only mode. (Operator Instructions) Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Ken Lovik, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Corporate Development. Please go ahead, sir.

Ken Lovik

Management

Thank you, Denise. Good morning, everyone. And thank you for joining us on today's conference call to discuss First Financial Bancorp’s fourth quarter and full year 2013 financial results. Discussing our operating and financial results today will be Claude Davis, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Tony Stollings, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we get started, I would like to mention that both the press release we issued yesterday, announcing our financial results for the quarter and the accompanying supplemental presentation are available on our website at www.bankatfirst.com under the Investor Relations section. Please refer to the forward-looking statement disclosure contained in the fourth quarter 2013 earnings release, as well as our SEC filings for a full discussion of the company’s risk factors. The information we will provide today is accurate as of December 31, 2013, and we will not be updating any forward-looking statements to reflect facts or circumstances after this call. I will now turn the call over to Claude Davis.

Claude Davis

Management

Thanks, Ken, and thanks everyone joining the call today. Excuse me, for the quarter we reported net income of $3.8 million or $ 0.07 per share. Our results for the quarter were impacted by several non-operating items, the most significant of which was the $22.4 million pre-tax non-cash valuation adjustment we recognized related to the FDIC Indemnification Asset that we announced on January 22nd. In total, these non-operating items reduced reported earnings per share by $0.24. Additionally, on an adjusted basis return on assets was 1.14% and return on tangible common equity was 11.88%, representing our strongest quarter performance for the year. This is obviously an exciting quarter for us as we announced the acquisition of two high performing institutions in the Columbus, Ohio market. The First Bexley Bank and Insight Bank are both successful franchises with extremely talented personal and together provided an excellence platform to capitalize on the growth potential of the Columbus market. Our integration team has hard at work in Columbus and we look forward to closing these transactions during the second quarter. Also, earlier this month, we announced our entrance into the Fort Wayne, Indiana market, with the hiring of strong commercial and residential lending teams that are well-established in the market. Their solid relationships and market knowledge combined with our comprehensive credit product set and larger balance sheet provides another channel for quality asset generation and a platform for building out a greater presence in one of Indiana's larger metro markets. The benefits of our efficiency plan were evident as our operating expenses excluding OREO costs declined another $1.4 million during the quarter. Based on our operating results throughout the year, we are proud to say that we surpass the original goal of 85% realization of announced cost savings and achieved 100% of our…

Tony Stollings

Management

Thank you, Claude. Our fourth quarter adjusted pre-tax, pre-provision earnings of $27.4 million which excludes certain items related to covered loan activity as well as other significant items, increased $1.1 million or 4% from the third quarter. As shown on Slides 3 and 4 of the supplements, this was 1.75% of average assets on an annualized basis. Total interest income increased $300,000, or 0.5% compared to the linked quarter as higher interest income earned on investment securities more than offset lower interest income on total loans and higher amortization of the indemnification assets related to covered loans during the period. The decline in interest income on loans was primarily the result of $83 million or 15% decline in the average balance of covered loan, partially offset by a 37 basis point increase in the yield earned on the covered portfolio compared to the linked quarter. Additionally, while the average balance of the FDIC indemnification asset declined approximately $4 million, the negative yield on the asset increased 182 basis points during the quarter, negatively impacting net interest income and net interest margin compared to the third quarter. The impact from covered loan activity was partially offset by another solid quarter of loan production as we saw $45 million or 1.3% linked quarter increase in average uncovered loan balances, as well as modestly higher loan fees. Further, the yield earned on the uncovered loan portfolio increased two basis points during the quarter, excluding the impact of interest income related to loans that returned to accrual status. We continue to feel the impact of the prolonged low interest rate environment that the yield earned on new loan originations during the fourth quarter was approximately 68 basis points lower than the average yield on loans that paid off during the period. This was still…

Claude Davis

Management

Thanks, Tony. Denise, we are happy to open the call up for questions.

Operator

Operator

Very good. (Operator Instructions) Our first question will come from the Scott Siefers of Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead.

Scott Siefers - Sandler O'Neill

Analyst

Good morning, guys.

Claude Davis

Management

Hi, Scott.

Tony Stollings

Management

Good morning, Scott.

Scott Siefers - Sandler O'Neill

Analyst

So, I think the first question was on the cost side. I mean, Claude, you guys have obviously done a very nice job reducing the core cost base over the last year or more, and of course you’ve got the recent efficiency initiatives that should still contribute for this full year. I’m just curious at a very top level if you are in sort of $42 million, $43 million core run rate as of the fourth quarter, is that a number you think you could still take down a bit, or do cost savings from here in out just sort of become awash against any natural increases you would have? How are you thinking about that dynamic?

Tony Stollings

Management

Hey, Scott, this is Tony. Yeah. I mean, as we look at the third and fourth quarter here in ’13, we kind of look at that together. It’s probably somewhere in the middle, little lower than maybe $44 million a quarter. And as we enter the year, obviously we hope to -- we intend to continue to have that decline over 2014, so a little higher as we enter the year that when we exit. But on average probably a little under $44 million.

Claude Davis

Management

And I think, Scott, related to the go forward. I don't have a specific answer for, can we get additional cost saves, or will any additional efficiencies offset just natural increases. I would tell you what we’ve tried to do over the last two years as we’ve been working on this is to really instill profits improvement discipline throughout the company. So we continue to look for opportunities for efficiencies and we certainly are not ready to announce additional initiatives at this point. But we feel good that we’ve got a base and a capacity that can handle the additional growth initiatives and only have the incremental cost of the sales organizations and not need to add a lot of what I would call back office or support related costs. And then we will continue to look for additional improvements. But at this point I wouldn’t suggest that we’ll see additional saves until we get better clarity on that.

Scott Siefers - Sandler O'Neill

Analyst

Okay. That sounds good. I appreciate that. And then, Tony, so you gave some color on the FDIC indemnification asset valuation adjustment. I'm wondering if you could just maybe explain how I guess the lower volatility is easy enough to seek in future quarters or the anticipation of it. Can you maybe go through -- you have fees expenses in the provision all and I guess the margin as well? All have been hit by the merger-related issues in the last few years. Exactly, how will it work through with that having taken the valuation adjustment in the fourth quarter? So it reduces the volatility and then more importantly enhances the earnings statements we look forward.

Tony Stollings

Management

Scott, I’m a little confused by your question. Are you referring to information in the release around the $0.05?

Scott Siefers - Sandler O'Neill

Analyst

No, not necessarily. So you took the FDIC indemnification valuation adjustment. One thing that does is lowers the volatility in the earnings stream. And then when you guys announced it, you suggested that you have $0.02 of EPS pick up as well. How is that big of a EPS pick up manifest itself?

Tony Stollings

Management

Well, first of all, when you think about the FDIC indemnification asset, it really comes off the balance sheet in two ways and it does have to come off. Claims that are received for amortization and once we determine that the credit was better, resolution was better, our outlook was better and it was not likely that we were going to be able to remove the asset from the balance sheet from a claims standpoint then we turned to the amortization. Without getting into all the details and the analysis, the amortization rate that it would have taken over that relatively short period of time, talking about commercial here would have been so ridiculous that none of it would've made sense in relationship to what we were earning on the covered loans. So it was at that that point that we went through the analysis and determined that the asset was impaired. So on a go-forward basis, you can see what that means just from a mathematical standpoint it’s a much lower balance with a more stabilized negative yield on the asset and that in and off itself, all things being equal is positive to 2014.

Claude Davis

Management

And Scott, just to be clear, we started out at $78 million, we took the valuation adjustment to $78 million at a negative yield of $13 million, just the savings of $45 million asset having a negative yield of $13 million. That difference is a big part of that $0.05. The other part would be improved credit costs that we would expect on a go forward in that covered portfolio.

Scott Siefers - Sandler O'Neill

Analyst

Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Go ahead. I’m sorry

Claude Davis

Management

Does that make sense?

Scott Siefers - Sandler O'Neill

Analyst

Yeah, it does. I guess I was thinking exactly where is the offset because they are always kind of puts and takes, so if you have a less of an FDIC issue, where was the other one in and just I guess feel like credit costs is the main offset there?

Claude Davis

Management

Yeah. It is between there and the margins.

Scott Siefers - Sandler O'Neill

Analyst

Yeah. Okay. That's perfect. I appreciate it.

Claude Davis

Management

You bet.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Emlen Harmon of Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Emlen Harmon - Jefferies

Analyst

Hey. Good morning, guys.

Claude Davis

Management

Good morning.

Emlen Harmon - Jefferies

Analyst

So, Tony, I heard your commentary about the reported margin obviously been bottled but kind of -- what are your expectations are for declines in mid-single digits? If we think about kind of a core margin side from the accretion, seems like you had, approaching kind of a point of stability there. Do you feel like that core margin can be stable from here even increasing a little bit, kind of how are you thinking about that?

Claude Davis

Management

Well, the core portfolio or the core bank outside of the covered assets and all of that activity is performing pretty well. And we’ve seen it really fairly stable over the last couple of quarters. So, I wouldn’t expect that the decline in the margin or the compression in the margin is going to be largely driven by that. We do think that it’s actually seeing a slight contributor at the moment. So our volatility, our compression is really around the covered loans and everything else seems to be performing pretty well.

Emlen Harmon - Jefferies

Analyst

Got you. And what’s -- kind of what’s your appetite for additional securities purchases ahead of these two deals you guys are closing?

Claude Davis

Management

Those deals are -- I’ve framed this in the whole balance sheet management standpoint. But I think that regardless of the deals, we are probably about where we’re going to be on the investment portfolio. Those deals don’t take a significant amount of cash, so that’s not an issue at all. We don’t need to liquidate or rebalance or anything based on that. So investment portfolio absent some shifts -- significant shift one way or another in loan or deposit flows is probably about where it’s going to be.

Emlen Harmon - Jefferies

Analyst

Got you. Thanks. And then just one more on the loan book, had a nice pick up in the core growth this quarter. Last quarter on the call you talked about how it’s installed in the pipeline and kind of fell into the fourth quarter from the third quarter. Could you give us a sense so just I guess maybe one, how big a component of the growth that was in the quarter. But then also just kind of how you're feeling about the pipeline at the end of the fourth quarter. I did hear commentary about kind of you feel good about the business environment builds, just be curious about the pipeline specifically.

Claude Davis

Management

Sure. I know this is call out and I have this specific number of what the few big deals that kind of carried over to the fourth quarter. I tend to look at it more in the year in 10% or so growth. We feel good about them. We feel good about the mix of categories that is pretty well spread across our C&I categories of four C&I specialty franchise and then the bid in the residential, our CRE book is pretty flat for the year. I would say going into ’14, we had a good December closing month, so the pipeline was down a bit. But we feel good about the pipeline where it’s at, certainly compared to past fourth quarters. And feel like, we’ve got some good momentum going into ’14. So, I guess, I would say I’m as optimistic about ’14, or more so than I was about going into ’13.

Emlen Harmon - Jefferies

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thanks for taking the questions.

Claude Davis

Management

You bet. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) The next question will come from David Long of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

David Long - Raymond James

Analyst

Good morning, guys.

Claude Davis

Management

Hi, David.

Tony Stollings

Management

Good morning, David.

David Long - Raymond James

Analyst

What’s the hot airs in Fort Wayne? Obviously, there is some movement there in that marketplace with the acquisition. But what is it that you guys really brought to the table there in that team and really got them to come into First Financial?

Claude Davis

Management

Yeah, David, this is Claude. I would talk about not just the Fort Wayne team because we’re always recruiting kind of throughout the footprints. And I what we tried to present is our operating model and that we’ve got a pretty diverse product set that we can bring to people that includes the specialty line, that includes much larger loan limits than as an example, they may have had in their previous bank. As well as we bring a pretty high degree of local autonomy and control. So we are pretty responsive in our decision- making. So it’s those things that really matter on the commercial side to those commercial bankers and their ability to do business. But that’s through not just in Fort Wayne, I think beyond Fort Wayne. I think on the residential mortgage side, we’ve spent a lot of time and money really investing in that infrastructure since we’ve reentered the business in 2011 and that combination of good infrastructure, good systems. As well as, we really try to keep a lot of the processing underwriting local that we feel like is a real advantage to those originators and something that they find attractive. So it’s a combination of all those that we think allow us to recruit pretty effectively.

David Long - Raymond James

Analyst

Okay. And then as they ramp-up this year. How big of a loan portfolio can happen in Fort Wayne by the end of 2014?

Claude Davis

Management

Obviously, we do business cases and business models on every market as we kind of go into it. And it relates to the commercial side. We have five people there originating credit and we will just have to see and we are not -- we don’t typically disclose the business cases, we put together. But five really experienced talented individuals that I think will do a great job for us. On the residential side, we primarily follow and originate and sell model. We do portfolio some and so that will be more of the function of how is the, what’s the mortgage market like and how they able to ramp-up quickly. So we’re very optimistic about it, David, but I guess, I’d be uncomfortable kind of suggesting kind of what we think we can do. But we’ll provide updates as we progress throughout the year just so you have some visibility into it.

David Long - Raymond James

Analyst

Okay. Got it. And then lastly, a couple acquisitions announced in the quarter in Columbus. What is your appetite to announce additional deals at this point? You need to get those close integrated or you feel uncomfortable going out and if you find something that’s strategically and/or financially attractive, can you go ahead and act on that at this point?

Claude Davis

Management

Yeah. We feel, we certainly want to give both First Bexley and Insight our full attention and make sure that those are integrated well and effectively, and we think, we have all the right teams in place to do that. But, fortunately, each only have one location total assets of the two are approximately $500 million. So we feel that from a certainly financial and capital capacity, we have plenty of capacity to continue even prior to those deals being completed. As well as we have the operational capacity certainly based on our past history of where there is an ’09 doing the two FDIC deals within 45 days of one another or the two branch deals in ’11 where we converted 40 plus branches within 60 days of one another. We feel pretty good about our ability, if we have another opportunity to progress on that and not necessarily need to wait until First Bexley and Insight are integrated.

David Long - Raymond James

Analyst

Thank you, Claude. I appreciate it.

Claude Davis

Management

You bet.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) The next question will come from Chris McGratty of KBW. Please go ahead.

John Barber - KBW

Analyst

Good morning, guys. It’s John Barber filling in for Chris.

Claude Davis

Management

Hey, John. Good morning.

John Barber - KBW

Analyst

You had pretty solid organic loan growth for a number of quarters now. You also have the two deals pending for ’14. Could you talk about your target loan mix?

Claude Davis

Management

Yeah. What we really try to do and we included a piece in the supplement, I think it's on Page 7 in the supplement. We’ve started to disclose our loan mix and when we look at it from a risk management perspective, we obviously look at pretty broad ranges. And what I would tell you is, we like the mix we have and we'd like to see all categories continue to grow at nice rates. If we see some shift in mix on the margins that wouldn't concern us at all, our franchise portfolio in the past has been much larger than it currently is. As an example, I think the specialty portfolios are still in the early stages of growth and maturities. So we could see them being much larger percentages of the portfolio. And C&I is such a broad bucket that I don't see a natural sealing, if you will on that. So all those are categories that we'd like to see continue to grow and ICRE actually continue to decline as a percentage of the overall portfolio and that's not necessarily by design and we were comfortable with where it was previously. So all that's a way of saying that we're not worried about any of our concentration percentages at this point. We try to watch them all. We try to be sensitive of what the economic factors are, but I think this is a pretty good reflection of how we’d like to see the portfolio grow.

John Barber - KBW

Analyst

Thanks Claude. And then the other question I had was just related to the efficiency ratio. What do you think, you can get that by the end of 2015 and what are going to be the major drivers? Thanks.

Claude Davis

Management

We don't -- we haven't kind of published targets other than our long-term targets that in a normal environment we'd like to see that ratio be in the 55% to 60% range. That continues to be our long-term targets. In the near-term, I think it's going to be a function of margin change and what happens to the rate environment. We're still at a very historically low level of rate as we all know. And the continued improvement that we want to make in terms of our expense based and efficiency initiative. So we continue to work on it. We continue to have that as our long-term target and we’ve not given up on that.

Tony Stollings

Management

I also add. It's not just an expense equation there. But we do fight some of the headwinds around the margin. We haven't forgotten about the non-interest income side of that equation and continue to push forward initiatives around that area as well. So not just an expense side.

John Barber - KBW

Analyst

Great. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Taylor Brodarick of Guggenheim Securities. Please go ahead.

Taylor Brodarick - Guggenheim Securities

Analyst

Great. Thank you. First question would be as you look at future efficiency initiative. Is there sort of a minimum for deposits for branch that you've told to your branch leader or internally have discussed? Is it $20 million or $30 million?

Claude Davis

Management

Well, we don't necessarily have a “minimum.” We certainly like to see it as those levels are higher, but it also depends a lot on mix. So if you have a branch that has a lot of noninterest bearing deposits that have good fee income associated with it than certainly that's terrific. The point I would tell you though is changing in the consumer banking business is -- I just feel it’s less about deposits per branch and more about looking at each of your markets, the network and your overall channels. So it's mobile, it's online, call center, banking center. And then we're trying to move to is what's the overall profitability of the consumer banking in that market based on all those related thoughts and opportunities and then well rightsize the branches either by increasing branch size or branch numbers or decreasing them by market depending on that profitability.

Taylor Brodarick - Guggenheim Securities

Analyst

Great. Okay. And one more question on the Columbus field. Is there anything material -- like materially different between the two banks that they each bring or is it more of a function of we like the market and it's a way to just get more scale by buying two as oppose to one?

Claude Davis

Management

Well, first, we do like the market a lot. Columbus is a great metropolitan area, drilling diverse and we think we can bring a lot of attractive products and capabilities to the market. In terms of the comparison of the two, I won’t get too much into that, I wouldn't be appropriate. But just to say that each has a kind of unique niche in those markets, each are very dedicated to high levels of client service, which we value and appreciate and things consistent with our model and both have -- even though they're still relatively small or both very profitable. So that's really what attracted us to the market. They also have great people and great board that really know that market extremely well.

Taylor Brodarick - Guggenheim Securities

Analyst

Great. Thank you. And last question, apologies if I missed it. Not going to repurchase anymore share this quarter and do you have an outstanding authorization?

Claude Davis

Management

We are not going to be purchasing any additional shares this quarter and we do have an outstand authorization.

Tony Stollings

Management

Yeah, the same one from late in '12, I believe, 5 million shares.

Taylor Brodarick - Guggenheim Securities

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you. That's it for me. I appreciate it.

Claude Davis

Management

Great. Thanks.

Tony Stollings

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen that will conclude our question-and-answer session, I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Claude Davis for his closing remarks.

Claude Davis

Management

Great. Thanks Denise. And yeah, I would just say thank you all again for participating and your interest in First Financial. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the conference has now concluded. We thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.