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Flushing Financial Corporation (FFIC)

Q1 2018 Earnings Call· Wed, Apr 25, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to Flushing Financial Corporation's 2018 First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Hosting the call today are John Buran, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Susan Cullen, Senior Executive Vice President, Treasurer and Chief Financial Officer. Today's call is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] A copy of the first quarter earnings release and slide presentation that the Company will be referencing today are available on its Investor Relations website at www.flushingbank.com. Before beginning, the Company would like to remind you that discussions during this call contain forward-looking statements made under the safe harbor provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any such statements. Such factors are included in our filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. Flushing Financial Corporation does not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statements, except as required under applicable law. During this call, references to several non-GAAP financial measures as supplemental measures to review and assess operating performance will be made. These non-GAAP financial measures are not intended to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for the financial information prepared and presented in accordance with U.S. GAAP. For any information about these non-GAAP measures and reconciliation to GAAP measures, please refer to the earnings release. I'd now like to introduce John Buran, President and Chief Executive Officer, who will provide an overview of the strategy and results.

John Buran

President

Thank you. Good morning everyone, and welcome to our first quarter 2018 earnings call. Today we hope to provide you with additional insight into our business strategy, consistent positive earnings power, and sustainable competitive advantage as part of our continuing effort to increase financial transparency and investor engagement. Our brand message on the cover of the earnings deck, small enough to know you, large enough to help you, encapsulates our vision to be the preeminent community bank in our multicultural market. We create value and attract new customers by delivering a superior and consistent experience through innovative quality service and personalized attention as we continue to execute and deliver profitable growth. Today, I'll start with our first quarter highlights, followed by a brief overview of the strategies that we're successfully executing to create long-term shareholder value. Then Susan Cullen, our CFO, will review our financial performance in greater detail. Susan and I will address your questions at the end of our prepared remarks as time permits. Starting on Slide 3. As announced in yesterday's press release, first quarter GAAP diluted EPS was $0.39, and core diluted EPS was $0.37. You will recall, that our Company has seasonally higher expenditures in the first quarter of the year due to certain stock compensation plans and the resulting taxes. However, if we normalize these expenses and exclude the loss on sale of one loan core diluted EPS was $0.47. Net interest income was $42.6 million, down quarter-over-quarter and year-over-year due to net interest margin pressure driven by higher funding costs due to the increased competition for deposits in this rising rate environment. While, we expect the pressures on deposit pricing to remain a drag, we do see positive trends emerging specifically in new loan yields, the timely repricing of our growing C&I portfolio,…

Susan Cullen

CFO

Thank you John, I'll start on Slide 6. Total loans were $5.3 billion up 2.6% quarter-over-quarter or 10.5% annualized and up 6.9% from the first quarter of 2017 as we continue to focus on the origination of multi-family, commercial real estate and commercial business loans with full banking relationship. We continue to diversify our loan portfolio as C&I originations total $141 million for the quarter were over 40% of total originations. Over the last four quarters our C&I origination purchases have averaged approximately 35% of quarterly loan production resulting a commercial balances growing over 20% during the same period to approximately 15% of the gross loan portfolio at March 31, 2018. The growth in the C&I portfolio offer several advantages to our company primarily continue diversifications in loan portfolio and as these are primarily adjustable-rate loans, the yield offer some protection and a rising rate environment. Overall, the total loan growth is on pace to meet our annual expectations of high single to low double-digit loan growth, while we continue emphasize rate over volume. At March 31, our loan pipeline was strong and totaled $326 million, which is down from the last quarter but up from a year ago. The interest rate on the real estate loans in the pipeline increased to 4.41% from an average rate of 4.10% for linked quarter. The loan-to-value ratio on a real estate portfolio at quarter end remains a modest 39%. Slide 7 depicts the composition of our funding mix. As funding has continued to grow, the percentage related to CDs and borrowings has decreased. However, when the need arises to access the wholesale funding market, there are advantages as we can ladder out the liabilities for longer terms, where the consumer does not want to tie up money for much longer than 18…

John Buran

President

Thank you, Susan. Wrapping up, Slide 16 provides a summary of why we believe we remain well positioned for continued strategic and profitable growth. To reiterate, our vision is to be the preeminent community financial services company in our multicultural market area by exceeding customer expectations and leveraging our strong banking relationships. The New York City market and strong agent customer base in Flushing continues to represent a significant opportunity for us. We remain focused on providing a superior and consistent experience at every touch point for our customers and maximizing shareholder value. Those of you that have held our stock for over the last five years know that our total shareholder return has been 84%. And since our IPO in 1995, total shareholder return has been 1073%. In conclusion, we have a strong foundation with attractive markets and customers, a proven track record and a seasoned leadership team to execute our strategy with a commitment to drive continued profitable growth. We will now take questions as time permits. Operator, I'll turn it over to you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Mark Fitzgibbon with Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Good morning.

John Buran

President

Hello, Mark.

Susan Cullen

CFO

Good morning.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Susan, I wondered if you could share with us your outlook for the net interest margin and whether or not that assumes any rate hikes for the remainder of the year?

Susan Cullen

CFO

We bottled out the net interest margin for the remainder of the year assuming four rate hikes during the year. And we do see continued decline of the net interest margin of somewhere between 5 and 10 basis points.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

5 and 10 per quarter?

Susan Cullen

CFO

No, in total by the end of the year.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Got you. Okay.

Susan Cullen

CFO

I'm sorry.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

No problem. And I'm curious if you think with multifamily rates hitting sort of the 4% level on five year product, whether you think that will trigger some more prepayment activity?

John Buran

President

We think we will see a little bit more, although frankly, we've been concentrating on diversifying the portfolio more. So we think that there's more – there are more opportunities both in the commercial real estate and also in the C&I business going forward for us. So while multifamily will continue to be an important area for us, where we’d like to diversify the portfolio even more so.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Okay. And then I wondered if you could share with us your expectations for loans and deposits in that New Chinatown location, maybe over the next year. And what level of loans and deposits it will take to get to sort of breakeven level?

John Buran

President

So we usually think of somewhere around $50 million and – for one of our branches. And I expect we can be there in two years.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Thank you.

John Buran

President

Just one more comment about the loan area, the multifamily and the commercial real estate are obviously all five-year resets. So on a continuing basis as rates have risen we are seeing more and more loans rollover and more favorable rates, so we have that ongoing process taking place within the portfolio.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Steven Comery with Gabelli. Please go ahead.

Steven Comery

Analyst · Gabelli. Please go ahead

Hey, guys, thanks for taking my question.

John Buran

President

Hey, Steve.

Steven Comery

Analyst · Gabelli. Please go ahead

Just want to ask about the construction portfolio real quick it was up materially in the quarter, I know before we talked about this, this is a while ago you guys kind of said, you weren’t really thinking you're getting paid for that risk in that portfolio outside of renovations, there's anything change there that makes you guys more interested in that sector?

John Buran

President

Not really, we still think it's going to be a very small proportion of the overall portfolio which – its less than 16 basis points of the total portfolio at this point in time. We may see a little bit of growth opportunistically but it's not a major area of focus for us.

Steven Comery

Analyst · Gabelli. Please go ahead

Okay. Yes, I figured as much. And then kind of you guys had talked about efficiency ratio goals of low to mid-50s over the long-term. I mean, how should we interpret that? Is that sort of over the next couple years and do you have any sort of target for 2018 or should we think about that sort of timeline.

John Buran

President

So I think a part of what's going on with respect to our efficiency ratio was really happening on the net interest margin side. So as we see these trends, the loan portfolio of repricing, the increases taking place in the C&I portfolio consistent with rate increases. We expect to see a leveling out of the NIM pressures. So based upon that and then based upon the actions that we're taking with respect to defraying future costs in our branch network. Over time, we expect that we'll be able to bring down the efficiency ratio.

Steven Comery

Analyst · Gabelli. Please go ahead

Okay. And then just on the noninterest expense guidance, its 3% to 5% above the 2017 levels. I think I was expecting a little less than that based on sort of the Q1 comments. I mean there are Q4 comments. Has anything changed there in your guys expectorations?

Susan Cullen

CFO

No, the biggest component of our non-G&A, G&A is salaries and those raises have been about 30% so that's what's driving that for the most part.

Steven Comery

Analyst · Gabelli. Please go ahead

Okay. So does that sort of the main delta there, the salary increase you guys had announced?

John Buran

President

Yes. Okay, all right. Sounds good. Thanks.

Susan Cullen

CFO

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Gilbert Collyn with KBW. Please go ahead.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Good morning, guys.

Susan Cullen

CFO

Good morning, Collyn.

John Buran

President

Good morning, Collyn.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Anyway, just that question on the NIM, so the downsize to 10, Susan that you mentioned that’s I’m assuming from this from the first quarter level or is that from the fourth?

Susan Cullen

CFO

Yes.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay, okay. And then just tying that into NII, is the expectation I mean the narrative around what you’ve been doing in mix shifting the loan book and better loan yields coming on. I guess I would have thought that the loan yield – we’d start to see that in fact higher, right. It seems like it’s still under pressure. What’s just the dynamic there maybe it’s a mix. I know that, that leads some of that, but even so when you – what you’re describing kind of it’s the blended yield. So curious about that and then also to just how you’re thinking about just net interest income dollars in general. I know they’ve been under pressure now for the last few quarters. Do you expect the dollars to inflect higher at some point this year?

John Buran

President

Yes. I think toward the end of the year, we should start to see some movement there. We continue to have – there is a couple of things going on. First of the – we have $200 million by closed about $300 million of loans that on swaps. So they provide some protection. A good proportion of our $700 million C&I portfolio provide some protection. And then the loans re-pricing about somewhere around about 20% the year reprice. I think the wild card for us in this particular quarter was the prepayment penalties. They were significantly lower than they had been in the past. So I think depending upon how they come in. This is natural progression of increasing yields on the portfolio. And you can see that in the increases that you see in the pipeline and then the year-over-year increases in the origination activity. So again three consecutive quarters we had the loans exceed, the origination yields exceed the portfolio yield. So we continue to see that upward pressure on those yields. And I think toward the end of the year a little accelerate.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay, okay. And I know I’m not so asking for guidance in 2019, but John just given your comments kind of what you just said and what you said before. I mean is the expectation that then there really start – should start to be higher NIM coming in, in 2019.

John Buran

President

So I think that’s going to depend upon the activity at the Fed. We’re still liability sensitive obviously. But as I said the underlying trends for us, on the loan side will continue to accelerate. So I think it’s a matter of the – let see the quickness of movement on the Fed versus what we know is pretty well established in terms of movement on the loan portfolio. So I know that’s helpful to you.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay, okay. Yes, that’s good. And then just on you – as you said you guys are seeing some really good loan growth, really good loan demand. Where is that coming from? I mean I presume obviously some of it’s being taken by competitors, because these are new customers coming into the bank. But where are you seeing the opportunity to be able to grow loans at the rate you guys are?

John Buran

President

Well. I think it’s the key focus is our diversification. So it gives us opportunities. So in this particular quarter, we didn’t have a large participation in the multifamily. But made up for with the commercial real estate and C&I, so I think the ability to diversify and to – there is very, very good economic activity going on in the New York area. And we’re still very, very small proportion of that economic activity. So we’re just beneficiaries of it. We’ve got some new loan officers coming on board in the C&I area. Last year we mentioned that we went into the equipment finance – we went into the commitment finance business. So we pick up a little bit more there. So I think its discontinued diversification, continued focus on the C&I portfolio. And then leveraging opportunities both in commercial real estate and in multifamily as they as they become available to us. So I think what gives us our strength is that we do have the ability to build loan volume in several different product types, which enabled us to – which is enabled us to really get good loan growth and just about every year, every quarter. The other areas that starting to comeback for us is our mixed use area, which we had deemphasized for quite some time. Now, that is starting to come onboard with some additional volumes. And I would emphasize that that these products that we’re talking about mixed use, C&I. and even commercial real estate, all have premiums, either premiums or interest rate protection versus the multifamily space, which is still price pretty, pretty competitively in general. Although, we’re doing our multi-family over with a four handle now.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay. Okay, that’s helpful. And Susan, I appreciate the guidance you gave on the expenses. Can you just give perhaps some similar outlook or color on where you think non-interest will go.

Susan Cullen

CFO

I would think our non-interest income is going to be pretty flat compared to what it was last year, market being equally flowing through our core – I’m going to talk about core non-interest income, because the fair value adjustments and unfortunately if we have gains on life insurance we can’t control that. So we have no new initiatives to play on any fee income, so we would expect it to be very consistent with what you’ve seen in the prior years.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay. Okay, that’s helpful. And then just one last question on the accelerated premium amortization I think on CLOs there were something that you would indicate in the press release. What was that specifically that happened in the quarter.

Susan Cullen

CFO

It’s the comparison of the fourth quarter to the first quarter. In the fourth quarter we had some CLOs call that had some premium associated with them and that was recognized to interest income. And obviously that’s out there.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay. And I’m sorry, what was the dollar amount tied to that?

Susan Cullen

CFO

I don’t have that in front of me, right this minute Collyn for that one CLO.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay. With it, I mean, I know you mentioned it both with prepay and this. I presume prepay was the bigger contributor than this.

Susan Cullen

CFO

And as John mentioned, our prepayments were down for the fourth quarter of 2017 by about $0.5 million.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay, okay. All right. I will leave it there. Thank you.

Susan Cullen

CFO

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Matthew Breese with Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

Matthew Breese

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Good morning, everybody.

Susan Cullen

CFO

Good morning, Matt.

Matthew Breese

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

I was hoping to just get some big picture and high level commentary. Deposit competition and deposit betas versus loan yields and loan betas in your market. And why there might be some mismatch and what are the drivers behind that.

John Buran

President

I think the basic is a flat yield curve. So I think that’s the core issue. Now the fact that the ten year just moved to 3% that augers fairly well for us. But let’s face it we’re talking about a – I don’t know, 50 some odd basis point differential in the two to 10. So, I think that is driving a lot of what we’re seeing in terms of pricing particularly in the multifamily space. In terms of betas in the market on the deposit side, I think they are heating up a little bit as we’ve seen some pressure. Although I think that the – it’s not irrational pricing but it’s clearly more competitive than it was last year on the deposit side. And I think we still see a couple of banks that are out there that are pricing their multi-family with a three handle. But I think with this latest move from the Fed – the upcoming move from the Fed and the fact that the 10 year went to 3% I think should really start to give everybody pause in that regard. So my expectation is that we’ll see some positive movement in loan yields due to that interest rate movement on the longer end of the curve.

Matthew Breese

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Understood. Do you think any of the lack of movement to date on the multi-family side is due to tax reform benefits being priced away?

John Buran

President

No, I don’t really think so. I think it’s a flat yield curve. I think it’s a flat yield curve, I think a lot of relatively new entrants into the market. But I see two trends, first of all the yield trend that I think is positive. And then we have two competitors out there; one has decided to not grow that particular multi-family. And there’s one that’s trying to stay below the $50 billion mark. So that helps a little bit as well. So that combined with some movement on the longer end of the yield curve might open that market up a little bit, might cause us to be a little bit more – to do a little bit more in multi-family in the coming quarters. But then again, we have other opportunities that to date have been better.

Matthew Breese

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Right. Okay. And just switching gears to capital management. Any sort of desire to continue repurchasing stock. Do you think we should sort of modeling that in a little bit at current levels more consistent share repurchases.

Susan Cullen

CFO

We’re an opportunistic repurchase of shares. So we will look at as the market moves. Again, we look at relation to our tangible book value and make decisions from there. Obviously when it comes to capital, our first choice is to redeploy into the business and grow our net interest earning assets.

Matthew Breese

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Got it. Okay. That’s all I have. Thank you.

Susan Cullen

CFO

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I will like to turn the conference back over to John Buran for any closing remarks.

John Buran

President

Well, thank you very much. I want to thank everybody for joining us today on our first quarter 2018 earnings call. I appreciate your support of Flushing Financial Corporation. We look forward to talking to you again next quarter. Thank you.

Susan Cullen

CFO

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today’s presentation. You may now disconnect.