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Flushing Financial Corporation (FFIC)

Q4 2022 Earnings Call· Fri, Jan 27, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to Flushing Financial Corporation's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2022 Earnings Conference Call. Hosting the call today are John Buran, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Susan Cullen, Senior Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. Today's call is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] A copy of the earnings press release and slide presentation that the company will be referencing today are available on its Investor Relations website at flushingbank.com. Before we begin, the company would like to remind you that discussions during this call contain forward-looking statements made under the safe harbor provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any such statements, including as set forth in the company's filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission to which we prefer you. During this call, references will be made to non-GAAP financial measures as supplemental measures to review and assess operating performance. These non-GAAP financial measures are not intended to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for the financial information prepared and presented in accordance with U.S. GAAP. For information about these non-GAAP measures and for a reconciliation to GAAP, please refer to the earnings release and/or the presentation. I'd now like to introduce John Buran, President and Chief Executive Officer, who will provide an overview of the strategy and results. You may begin.

John Buran

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us for our fourth quarter and full year 2022 earnings call. Following my prepared remarks, Susan will review the financial trends and we will then answer any questions. The company recorded its second best historical earnings for 2022 behind the record-breaking 2021 earnings in spite of aggressive Fed movements and resulting net interest margin compression. For the year, GAAP return on assets was 93 basis points, with a return on equity at 11.4%, while core return on assets totaled 92 basis points with return on equity at 11.4% and Returns were within our goals of 1% and 10%, respectively. We executed well on our strategic objectives for the year. Average noninterest-bearing deposits increased 10% year-over-year. Period-end loans expanded by 4% and net charge-offs were only 2 basis points for the year. We capitalized on the merger disruption in our market by adding 51 people from merged or merging institutions. Trends in the fourth quarter were more challenging given the rate environment. We reported GAAP earnings per share of $0.34 and core EPS of $0.57. And -- this translated to a return on assets of 48 basis points and a return on equity of 6% on a GAAP basis and 82 basis points and 11.4%, respectively, on a core basis. The primary difference between GAAP and core earnings is the approximate $11 million loss on the sale of securities that yielded approximately 1%. Core loan yields increased 28 basis points quarter-over-quarter, while core deposit yields expanded 87 basis points, resulting in net interest margin compression of 37 basis points on a reported basis and 40 basis points on a core basis. We expect the net interest margin to remain under pressure until the Fed ceases raising rates. Then after a…

Susan Cullen

Analyst

Thank you, John. I'll begin on Slide 8. As John mentioned, deposit growth is a challenge for the industry as the Fed raises rates and liquidity leads the banking system. Our results were contrary to this trend by growing average deposits 3% year-over-year and 6% quarter-over-quarter. While growing noninterest-bearing deposits is a priority for us. It has become more challenging given the higher rate environment. Average noninterest-bearing deposits increased slightly year-over-year and comprised nearly 15% of average deposits. Our teams continue to open new checking accounts which were up 41% year-over-year. Our incentive plans place greater emphasis on increasing noninterest-bearing deposits. CDs continue to expand as customers are seeking higher yields. The increase in the deposit base assisted in lowering the loan-to-deposit ratio to 107% from 114% at the end of the third quarter. Slide 9 shows how our deposit rates change compared to Fed funds. For 2022, our cumulative interest-bearing deposit beta was just over 45% which has exceeded the previous rising rate cycle. The key difference in this cycle versus the prior one is the magnitude and frequency of rate increases. In this cycle, so far, average Fed floods have increased 357 basis points compared to only 226 basis points in the previous cycle. We expect the cumulative deposit betas to rise as rate increases continues. We expect the majority of deposit pricing will be included in the cost from the Fed stops increasing rates. Slide 10 outlines our loan portfolio and yields. Net loans increased 4% year-over-year. As expected, loan closings in the loan pipeline have declined from the record levels seen in previous quarters. Core loan yields increased 28 basis points during the quarter and the yield on loan closings exceeded the yields on satisfaction by 47 basis points. Loan repayment speeds also declined year-over-year and…

John Buran

Analyst

Thank you, Susan. Slide 20 shows our strategic objectives for 2023. As Susan just outlined, the environment is challenging but we will navigate through and focus on what we can control. We're looking to expand our funding sources with a particular emphasis on noninterest-bearing accounts. We will place greater emphasis on full relationships across business units while generating appropriate risk-adjusted returns. We will not change our underwriting model as credit quality is an important metric for us. Lastly, we'll continue to expand our technology platform to drive engagement and upgrade where appropriate. On Slide 21, I'll wrap up our key messages. While 2022 was an unprecedented year given the pace of Fed rate increases, we had our second highest annual earnings. Strong credit quality is a pillar of the bank and our conservative underwriting should help to protect us from significant losses even during times of stress. We are managing through the higher rate environment and should start to benefit after a lag once the Fed stops raising rates. There's a greater emphasis on full banking relationship lending and achieving proper returns. Our stock has a strong dividend that approximate 4.5% and we will continue to balance repurchasing shares with a desire to move toward an 8% tangible common equity ratio. Operator, I'll turn it over to you to open up the lines for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And our first question will be from Mark Fitzgibbon from Piper Sandler.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

It's actually [indiscernible] stepping in for Mark at the moment but I -- do you think there are any more security portfolio sales likely in the coming quarters ahead?

Susan Cullen

Analyst

We continually evaluate the portfolio in light of the market. And if we see an opportunity that presents itself, I wouldn't say no. But at this point, there's no plans on the table.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And how do you think -- how low do you think the NIM goes if the Fed follows a fever curve, or a rough ballpark, do you think?

Susan Cullen

Analyst

So as we talked about, the NIM has many moving components. It's our loans repricing, the swaps, the local market competition and what the Fed does. So where we bottom out will all depend on where the Fed moves rates and how quickly they stop raising rates and then we have that slight lag before we start coming back to expanding NIM.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And lastly, if growth tapers, how do you think we should think about provisioning over the coming quarters?

Susan Cullen

Analyst

If loan growth tapers, we will expect the allowance always depends on the economic forecast as we do the CECL modeling and the mix of our loans. So if the economy continues on this uncertain path, we may see more provisioning.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Chris O'Connell with KBW.

Christopher O'Connell

Analyst

So on the -- just to nail down the operating expense guidance and the seasonality for the first quarter. If you -- well, I guess, first off, how much of the additional FDIC impact for next year?

Susan Cullen

Analyst

So the FDIC raised the premium across all banks as the depository insurance fund is underfunded. So all of us will be going -- increasing the insurance premium from 1 basis point to 2 basis points on deposits.

Christopher O'Connell

Analyst

Got it. And do you know what the dollar impact is?

Susan Cullen

Analyst

We won't give that type of guidance, Chris but it should pretty much double.

Christopher O'Connell

Analyst

Okay, great. And then just kind of putting it all together with some of the kind of onetime stuff from this quarter is like -- like 41.5%, a good expense number for the first quarter with the seasonality?

Susan Cullen

Analyst

So yes, that would be about right. Yes, low 40s. Yes.

Christopher O'Connell

Analyst

Okay. Got it. And then I appreciate the color on the overall NIM trajectory. Just trying to figure out how big the moves are in the near term. Do you guys have a spot rate or the end of quarter NIM at the end of the fourth quarter?

Susan Cullen

Analyst

We have not provided that as we may have in the past because we don't think it's representative necessarily of what our GAAP NIM will be or what are reported even core NIM will be. So we will not be providing that information.

Christopher O'Connell

Analyst

Okay. I mean any color that you can give on kind of the sense of the magnitude of the compression just in the immediate near term?

John Buran

Analyst

I mean you have a move that I looked for a while, like it was going to be 25 basis points in February. Now there's even talk of it might be 50%. So you have that uncertainty to begin with. We do have within our market, a couple of crypto-related banks that have upped the ante in terms of looking over -- looking for deposits. I think quite frankly, there's too many factors going on in too many moving parts to give any reasonable guidance. And I think your assessments on these things and these activities are no better, no worse than ours at this point. So I think the important thing to remember about us and you can kind of watch it as time goes on is that it's unclear how much and how long the Fed will raise rates. We've got some projections but those projections run from the Fed to the market. Futures contracts look like the bulk of the rate increases have already happened. So after fully absorbing the December rate increase, the incremental pressure might, in fact, ease as the Fed raises rates by smaller amounts than the 75 basis points that we've seen for the bulk of 2022. So we're kind of looking at the possibility of a declining -- maybe some declining pressure, although continued pressure, maybe declining magnitude, let's say, or declining incrementals -- so the market believes that the rate and the magnitude of the Fed rate increase should slow. That should help slow the pressure on our funding costs. And we think after the first quarter, a lot of this will be behind us. We may see another quarter or so clearly, there's a lot of speculation about that. But one thing is certain and that's the structure of our balance sheet. And the Fed increases don't last forever. And this one looks like it's coming more to a close than to the beginning. So I think we're in a very, very good position toward the latter half of the year to see some better movement in the margin, whether it's stabilization or increase as a matter of what's happening in the market.

Christopher O'Connell

Analyst

Yes, got it. Understood. And as far as the current CD offering rates, where are those at right now?

Susan Cullen

Analyst

So we have 13 months at fourth [ph] quarter, $460 million.

Christopher O'Connell

Analyst

Okay. And that's the primary product for you guys?

Susan Cullen

Analyst

No, our primary product is probably the money market.

Christopher O'Connell

Analyst

Markets -- and where are those at? Like 3.25%?

Susan Cullen

Analyst

$3.35 million [ph].

Christopher O'Connell

Analyst

Okay, great. And then for the securities move this quarter, what's the timing of the reinvestments of what was paid off? And I guess like what's the assumed spread or what's the assumed rate that those are coming on at and where they're being funded at?

Susan Cullen

Analyst

So we have already purchased about $10 million of floaters with a yield of about 5.5%. The SBA floating bonds. So the expectation is that they will continue to come on in that range or even higher. But again, we are ensuring that we are keeping within the 3-year payback period.

Christopher O'Connell

Analyst

Got it. And what's the spread or, I guess, the assumed funding for those?

Susan Cullen

Analyst

Well, we took off securities that had a yield of $17 million. So we're bumping up the NIM by that differential 430 basis points rough and tough.

Christopher O'Connell

Analyst

Okay, got it. I mean are you guys locking in, in particular, any type of funding directly tied to those? Or just in general, like the overall new funding costs?

John Buran

Analyst

We have a variety of funding sources that obviously, we have a good deal of flexibility in matching the assets.

Christopher O'Connell

Analyst

Go ahead.

Susan Cullen

Analyst

When we sold these securities, we did pay off any funding, most of the funding or the proceeds are sitting in the Federal Reserve Bank yielded $4.4 million versus the 117 that we were getting on the securities. So...

Christopher O'Connell

Analyst

Got it. Got it. That's helpful. And then any update as the progress towards resolution of the larger NPA that came on a couple of quarters ago?

Susan Cullen

Analyst

So we're still working through those. I'm glad you asked this question, Chris. We did -- even though some cost pie criticized picked up 9 basis points. Approximately $7 million of that has resolved itself subsequent to quarter end. So our NPAs, as we're sitting here today, are really down 1% quarter-over-quarter.

Christopher O'Connell

Analyst

Okay.

Susan Cullen

Analyst

I misspoke. Our crisis classifieds were down 1% quarter-over-quarter.

Christopher O'Connell

Analyst

Got it. Is that $7 million related to that particular credit? Or just any update, I guess, on that or relationship?

Susan Cullen

Analyst

The $7 million is not related to the big held-to-maturity security that is driving the increase in our NPAs that is still working its way through the process. We're still very careful with that security loan -- and we don't have any further details on any resolution at this point.

Christopher O'Connell

Analyst

Okay, got it.

Susan Cullen

Analyst

Thanks, Chris.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from Manuel Navas from D.A. Davidson.

Manuel Navas

Analyst

Good morning. I really like to slide for Slide 13 but I just wondered if the scenario is a little different. What happens if the Fed pauses and then holds, basically, do you need the Fed to actually start declining for your NIM to have that kind of inflection? Just kind of talk about that scenario where the Fed holds for a bit?

John Buran

Analyst

So the loans will continue to be coming on. So right now, loans are either being rolled -- they're either rolling off or; for example, at a 3 handle because they were been put on for quite a while and the loans that we're putting on right now this past quarter, we had a 6 handle. So we're talking about a very, very nice increase in the NIM just by stability taking place. And I didn't mean to say an increase in the NIM but obviously, the positive pressure in the net, let's just say that -- that as part of it.

Manuel Navas

Analyst

Okay. Because it seems like it kind of really took off once the Fed decline. But there's a number of different factors at play. Do you have an update on with the current market offers you have out there, are you seeing success? You talked a little bit about -- you had success this past quarter but you're seeing continued success and you're talking about kind of competition shifting a little bit. You're seeing more players competing for deposits. Can you just kind of talk about those 2 items?

John Buran

Analyst

Sure. So look, it's always a competitive environment in New York. This is -- this one has been heightened due to the Fed activity and the removal of liquidity from the market. So we're looking at other vehicles to compete in maybe areas that might be a little bit less competitive outside of the New York metropolitan area as a means of, let's say, compensating for the intense level of competitiveness in New York. So I think -- it's always a competitive market here. There's a couple of things that I think are probably going to write themselves in a few -- in a couple of quarters in terms of the extreme competitiveness. But at the end of the day, most of the market in New York is controlled by a few very, very large banks. They have a lot to protect in terms of their cost of funds. So that always has a little bit of a dampening effect, although we haven't quite seen it yet. I expect that we will see it going forward.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to John Buran for any closing remarks.

John Buran

Analyst

Well, once again, thank you all for your attention and for calling in and for the questions. And just again, I think that our net message is that we've got a very strong balance sheet, very strong credit quality. And this environment doesn't last forever and we're looking forward to a better opportunity as the Fed starts to reduce some of its aggressive moves. So, thank you again for your attention and look forward to talking to you all soon.

Susan Cullen

Analyst

Have a nice weekend. Thank you.

John Buran

Analyst

Bye now.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.