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F&G Annuities & Life, Inc. (FG)

Q1 2025 Earnings Call· Sun, May 11, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to F&G's First Quarter 2025 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] I'd now like to turn the call over to Lisa Foxworthy-Parker, Senior Vice President of Investor and External Relations. Thank you. You may begin.

Lisa Foxworthy-Parker

Analyst

Thanks, operator, and welcome, everyone. I'm joined today by Chris Blunt, Chief Executive Officer; and Conor Murphy, Chief Financial Officer. Also, Wendy Young, Chief Liability Officer, will be available for Q&A. Before we get started, I wanted to note that we have recast prior period financial results during the quarter. We have removed CLO redemption and bond prepay income from our significant items and have updated definitions for the cost of funds and flow reinsurance fee income within our ANE management view income statement. Importantly, historical reported net earnings and adjusted net earnings, or ANE, have not changed. The recast financial results are available in our quarterly financial supplement and earnings release, as well as our Spring 2025 investor presentation. Also, starting this quarter, we are presenting our financial results on an as-reported basis throughout our earnings materials. Therefore, these results, including ANE, ROA and ROE are no longer presented on an excluding significant items basis. On Page 6 of our quarterly financial supplement, you can find a summary of the impacts to ANE from significant items and investment income from alternative investments. Today's earnings call may include forward-looking statements and projections under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act which do not guarantee future events or performance. We do not undertake any duty to revise or update such statements to reflect new information, subsequent events or changes in strategy. Please refer to our most recent quarterly and annual reports and other SEC filings for details on important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied. This morning's discussion also includes non-GAAP measures which management believes are relevant in assessing the financial performance of the business. Non-GAAP measures have been reconciled to GAAP where required and in accordance with SEC rules within our earnings materials available on the company's investor website. Please note that today's call is being recorded and will be available for webcast replay. And with that, I'll hand the call over to Chris Blunt.

Christopher Blunt

Analyst

Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining our call. Our first quarter results reflect near-term headwinds from the volatility of the overall environment, the majority of which we believe to be temporary in nature. From a top-line perspective, we continue to manage sales and in-force profitability to optimize our return on capital. This resulted in a reduction in MYGA sales in the first quarter with continued strong fixed indexed annuity and pension risk transfer sales, which are our highest returning businesses. From a bottom-line perspective, while we gave up some spread during the first quarter, we believe much of that was short term in nature and not indicative of any longer-term challenge to our business model. The four main drivers were excess cash due to CLO prepayments coupled with a drop in cash rates, lower surrender income as there was a noticeable pause in refinancing of old policies by agents, a relatively weaker quarter for our own distribution business, largely driven by the same slowdown, as well as some onetime growth investments by one of our distribution companies. And simply the timing effect of in-force pricing changes, which can occur in periods where there are precipitous increases or decreases in interest rates. As things stand today, we would expect each of these drivers to improve throughout 2025, and we remain committed to achieving our 2023 Investor Day targets. Conor will provide more details on our sales and financial results later in the call. Overall, our in-force book of business and the investment portfolio are performing well and as expected in the current environment. For the in-force book, we have a young fixed annuity block that is surrender charge protected. We lock in spread at the time of sale and also have the flexibility to reprice a large majority of our…

Conor Murphy

Analyst

Thank you, Chris. This morning, I'll focus my comments on assets under management and sales, updates to our financial reporting, adjusted net earnings and returns and our balance sheet and capital position. Starting with AUM and sales. F&G reported record AUM before flow reinsurance of $67.4 billion as of March 31 despite the near-term pressures, including retained assets under management of $54.5 billion. Compared to the first quarter of 2024, this reflects 16% and 9% increases, respectively, driven by net new business flows. F&G's gross sales were $2.9 billion, 17% lower than the first quarter of 2024, primarily due to lower MYGA sales. As we continue to prioritize allocating capital to the highest returning business, specifically indexed annuity sales and pension risk transfer sales, we intentionally scaled back MYGA. Excluding MYGA, gross sales increased 5% over the first quarter of 2024. Indexed annuity sales were strong at $1.5 billion in the first quarter, in line with the first quarter of 2024. FIA continues to be our largest contributor to indexed annuity sales, although our RILA product is gaining traction and building momentum. We took a measured approach in reflecting rate volatility in our pricing during the early part of 2025, but have subsequently seen increasing levels of submitted annuity business in March and April. Indexed universal life sales were strong at $43 million in the first quarter, in line with the first quarter of 2024. Pension risk transfer, or PRT sales, are off to a solid start with $311 million in the first quarter. While down from $584 million in the first quarter of 2024, which was a record first quarter, our full year PRT sales are typically more weighted to the back half of the year. Funding agreements were $525 million in the first quarter as compared to $105…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] First question here is from John Barnidge from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

John Barnidge

Analyst

Good morning. Thank you for the opportunity. My first question is around sales and distribution. With the RILA product now entering the second year, can you maybe talk about how you think about the growth opportunity there, both from a sales perspective, but also from a distribution one too?

Christopher Blunt

Analyst

Yes, happy to. So a couple of things. One, just a comment on sales during the quarter. As I think you saw we had a decline in MYGA, and that was just simply a function of the volatility that was going on in the markets, which caused challenges, not just for us, but for some of our reinsurance partners. But that has rebounded nicely. In fact, we've done more MYGA business in the month of April than we did the entire first quarter. So I think the sales engine is in great shape. Specifically, to RILA, yes, we're still super excited about that, given that we were not a player in registered products before, it has admittedly taken longer to get on to platforms, but that is happening. So we're adding broker-dealers pretty consistently now. So yes, as we've said before, that's a product that in the medium term, we think, can actually be in the billions for us. So we're pretty excited about RILA.

John Barnidge

Analyst

And then maybe my follow-up question. Are you able to parse out the impact on owned distribution from lower industry volume versus the owned distribution partner that maybe had invested in the platform?

Christopher Blunt

Analyst

Yes, boy, that's a good question. I don't know that I have that at my fingertips, but I think they were fairly balanced. And when it comes to owned distribution, I will say, we've -- similarly, we've seen a really nice rebound there in April. So I don't know if it's exactly half, we could get back to you, but I would guess it's probably about half of it was an investment that we supported that had a pretty quick payback by one of our partners. And the rest was just a -- which I think the entire industry saw a slowdown in 1035 activity, but again, that has rebounded in April and May, which is why when we characterize some of these as temporary headwinds, we truly think they're temporary.

Operator

Operator

Next question here is from Wes Carmichael from Autonomous Research. Please go ahead.

Wesley Carmichael

Analyst

Hey, good morning. First question, just on the decision to raise common equity in the quarter. We received a lot of questions from investors at the time, and I think it came as maybe a bit of a surprise and wait on the stock. But can you maybe just help us with your thoughts on deployment and timing? And are you maybe wanting to hold any of that capital back given some of the recent volatility that we've seen?

Christopher Blunt

Analyst

Yes, it's a great question. I think in terms of deployment, as I gave you the MYGA stats. And so I don't think our plans have changed. I think it is to deploy it thoughtfully into new business. As you know, our business model is pretty sound. We like it. We're pretty disciplined about how we price new business, 57% of our reserves are in FIA. So we go through a similar annual process when policies come up for renewal. So I think the most important thing is the business model is still intact, and we see lots of opportunities there. So yes, I don't think from an environment perspective, we were cautious when it came to MYGA in the first quarter of wanting to make sure we understood the lay of the land with rates and with spreads. So we did have some cash build up, but we are now deploying that. And I think our patience has been rewarded. I think we're deploying it now at spreads, frankly, better than what we priced for. So again, we're not market timers, but that's probably the only area where some caution came in to just try to get the lay of the land there.

Conor Murphy

Analyst

And it's Conor. I know you know this, but just a reminder that the timing of the capital raise, it was right at the end of the first quarter. So there wasn't time to do anything noteworthy with it until Q2.

Wesley Carmichael

Analyst

Yes, understood. I guess just second one, just looking at the cost of funds at 318 basis points. That was up, I think, sequentially, 22 basis points. And I guess, more of a significant jump that we've seen in prior quarters. But Chris, how much of that do you think is a function of competition in the market? Was there something going on in the first quarter? And would you expect that to get better with some of the in-force pricing actions you're contemplating?

Christopher Blunt

Analyst

Yes. And again, I'll let Conor kind of disaggregate for you, Wes, because it's a good question. But I would just keep in mind that, again, the base model, we -- nothing's really changed in terms of our new business pricing target. So we're quite disciplined on that, and we're quite disciplined at maintaining our spreads on our in-force balancing that, obviously, of wanting to do the right thing for policyholders and be fair to our distribution partners. So none of that has changed. I think some of what happened is you had a little bit less surrender income. But again, that has picked up again. So some of this is just -- there is a lag effect as you're repricing your in-force book relative to some of those changes. I don't know, Conor, if you want to add?

Conor Murphy

Analyst

Well, yes, maybe to underscore some of it. If you break down -- maybe I'll talk a little more broadly, I'll talk sequentially from a product margin point of view, so both from an income and the cost of funds perspective, the drivers may be in terms of proportional size order. The owned returns would be the first, obviously, if you're normalizing for that, then the next most impactful was the lower surrenders, which is coming through that cost of crediting line. And then the third element which Chris outlined in his opening remarks is just the lower cash yield impact in the sequential quarter as well. So hopefully, that helps you.

Christopher Blunt

Analyst

And Wes, if I could just squeeze in one more comment here. In terms of progress toward Investor Day, we still feel really good, right, about that for a couple of reasons. One, the expense piece we control and you heard from Conor, we're driving that operating expense ratio down, and we will continue to do so. That's 100% in our control. Flow reinsurance income was down a bit in the quarter, but that's because the reinsurers are struggling with the same thing we were of how do you price in an environment when rates are bouncing all around, and you're not sure what the spread outlook is? That has already normalized. So that's a positive. We covered owned distribution. So those are 3 big drivers for us, right, in terms of our Investor Day targets. And then we talk about the base spread model. Again, that hasn't changed. We don't see anything right now that says, "Oh, we're seeing outsized moves that we can accommodate within our normal mechanisms." So hence, the comment of still feeling like we're on track.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Next question is from Mark Hughes from Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Mark Hughes

Analyst

Yes, thank you. I think you've touched on this, Chris, but for the MYGA bouncing back in April, is that a market phenomenon? Or is that you got comfortable with the environment and kind of leaned into that market?

Christopher Blunt

Analyst

Yes. It's hard to tell. We don't really get a sense of how other folks are doing and pretty unusual for us to give a monthly number, but I really -- it was just to punctuate the point of there were some unusual things happening of trying to price MYGA business, and we pride ourselves on being disciplined. So yes, I would say it was very much in our camp. And once we again had clarity on little bit of rates coming down a bit, spreads widening a bit, reinsurers getting comfortable that they could earn a good return, that sort of all came together. So in this type of an environment, MYGA is going to be a bit lumpier. We like the business. It's quite profitable for us. But again, fixed index annuities, RILA in a perfect world, we would grow that every single quarter. PRT, we want to continue to grow that business. MYGA is going to be a bit more volatile because as you can imagine, we want to be good allocators of you and your clients' capital, and so we're going to see a little more MYGA volatility. And then last but not least, FABNs are just purely opportunistic. If the spreads make sense, we've got capital and it makes the list of good capital return, we'll write it. And if not, we won't. So hopefully, that helps.

Conor Murphy

Analyst

Let me add just 1 thing, too, because I think this is important. The MYGA activity was not to the detriment of other retail opportunities that we enjoy too around either indexed universal life for the fixed indexed annuity businesses. They had good April as well. So it's not like we did MYGA and didn't do the others.

Christopher Blunt

Analyst

Yes, great point.

Mark Hughes

Analyst

Understood. And then, Chris, in your experience, any, does this -- is this reminiscent of other times in the past where you saw the sort of similar volatility, any kind of takeaways? I know every time it's different. But based on your experience, any conclusions you draw about this?

Christopher Blunt

Analyst

Yes. So it's a really great question. And I would point folks back to COVID. When COVID hit, I don't know if folks remember, but LIBOR just collapsed. It was almost overnight. I think in my mind, I remember like 140 basis points. And we had a fair amount in floaters. We've since hedged a lot of that out. So I think our net floating rate exposure is only 5%. But back then, it was -- I want to say it was like 15%. So that was significant. But again, we began the repricing exercise within our in-force. And as I recall, even with a really extreme move like that within a year, we had sort of recaptured and regained our original spread target. So again, that proves the business model works. This isn't our first rodeo. We've been doing this a long time now. And I think the business model has proven to be quite resilient and I don't see anything that's changed that despite the volatility we have now.

Mark Hughes

Analyst

The investment that you called out for one of the owned distribution companies, what was the nature of that investment? And is that just kind of one quarter and done? Or does that have some carryover?

Christopher Blunt

Analyst

Yes. It was really quite simple. It was an opportunity for one of our IMOs to acquire a stake in a smaller IMO that they had a relationship with. And it had a very quick, very attractive payback. And so as Board members, we looked at it and said, "Frankly, we'd rather have you do that than get a dividend in the quarter." So it's really that simple. I don't think that's a normal something that we're going to see every single quarter. It was a bit more opportunistic. But again, without being able to go into specific details, it felt like a good use of capital.

Mark Hughes

Analyst

Yes. Are they going to be in a position to start paying the dividends again? Or...

Christopher Blunt

Analyst

Yes, it's our expectation.

Operator

Operator

Next question is from John Barnidge from Piper Sandler.

John Barnidge

Analyst

Thanks for the opportunity to do a follow-up. With market volatility, is there anything to think about as far as RBC sensitivity to equity market volatility?

Conor Murphy

Analyst

John, it's Conor. Not as much. I mean, we're still managing -- obviously, we do this -- we talked about it publicly on an annual basis. But I think the simplest answer to your question is nothing is changing in terms of our RBC expectations, targets being above 400 at the end of the year, et cetera.

Operator

Operator

Next question is from Wes Carmichael from Autonomous Research.

Wesley Carmichael

Analyst

Hey, thanks for taking the follow up. I just wanted to touch on the alts portfolio, and I think this includes the direct lending and nondirect lending securitizations. But would you be able to just break out the performance of that bucket a little bit in the quarter? I know you called out kind of the $63 million below expectations. But any way to think about how the return came in with traditional alts versus securitizations? And maybe how you're thinking about that on a go-forward basis?

Conor Murphy

Analyst

I'll do a little, and others can maybe add as well. But yes, I mean you've kind of got a blended return, which I think you published. Within that, you're right, there are a few categories. So the -- what I would describe as maybe the direct lending portfolio, the more -- imagine as more debt-like securities, we're at the higher end of that, closer to the expectation. And it was really the LP portfolio that probably came in lower kind of thing, like mid-single digits, which is impactful in terms of the overall yield. I think that's what you're getting at. I would put whole loans kind of in the middle, maybe a little -- maybe on the lower end as well. If you're trying to get sort of the relative comparison performance of the 3, the direct lending book would have been at the higher -- would have been the outperformer of the 3 of them.

Christopher Blunt

Analyst

Yes. And Wes, it's an obvious point, but it's kind of the one thing we can't control is the pace of realizations in private equity funds. And people have a tendency sometimes to say alts, and it's too broad a definition. So I appreciate your refining it and going a bit deeper because people sometimes think that our entire alts portfolio is sitting in P/E funds, which is not. So...

Wesley Carmichael

Analyst

Yes. No. That's helpful. And then I guess just going back to the surrenders. If we kind of remain in this environment, are you expecting surrender activity to pick back up relative to the first quarter? Or should we kind of maybe expect that to be a little bit more of a drag on cost of funds going forward?

Conor Murphy

Analyst

It's an interesting question. So what -- I would say it this way, that the surrender activity would have peaked third quarter of last year, but it was pretty elevated second quarter, third quarter, fourth quarter. So what we saw in Q1 is lower than those 3 quarters. What we saw in April was almost the same as Q1. So the mathematical answer to your question at this stage is we're projecting something pretty similar, Q2 to Q1, just based on April results. That's probably pretty close to where we were a year ago as well.

Christopher Blunt

Analyst

And I don't know if this is helpful at all, Wes, but when we look at our book and the policies that we wrote back when rates were really low, sort of red, orange, green, what are the ones that are perhaps the most vulnerable to being replaced, there's still a fair amount of that, that hasn't been worked through. So I think surrenders are going to be just hard to predict. But it's not like, oh, that's over. I think if rates stay where they are, there's still quite a few policies for us and other companies that get replaced, and we've talked about this before. Ironically, you end up in a better place because you have even stickier liabilities that are more less likely to get pulled out or surrendered early on you going forward, but it does create some of this near-term noise.

Operator

Operator

This concludes the question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back to Chris Blunt for any closing comments.

Operator

Operator

Christopher Blunt

Analyst

Great. Thank you. I just want to conclude by saying I'm confident in our underlying operating performance and the long-term stability of our business despite the near-term headwinds. F&G's business is resilient and well positioned for the many opportunities ahead through the strength and flexibility that's provided by our multichannel distribution model, our disciplined pricing and underwriting of our spread-based products and our ability to generate fee-based earnings. Thank you for joining us. We appreciate your interest in F&G and look forward to updating you on our second quarter earnings call.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you again for your participation. Goodbye.