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First Horizon Corporation (FHN)

Q2 2019 Earnings Call· Tue, Jul 16, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the First Horizon National Corp. Second Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Aarti Bowman of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Aarti Bowman

Analyst

Thank you, Chuck. Please note that the earnings release, financial supplement and slide presentation we’ll use in this call are posted in Investor Relations section of our website at www.firsthorizon.com. In this call, we will mention forward-looking and non-GAAP information. Actual results may differ from the forward-looking information for a number of reasons outlined in our earnings materials and our most recent annual and quarterly reports. Our forward-looking statements reflect our views today and we are not obligated to update them. The non-GAAP information is identified as such in our earnings materials and in the slide presentation for this call, and is reconciled to GAAP information in those materials. Also, please remember that this webcast on our website is the only authorized record of this call. This morning’s speakers include our CEO, Bryan Jordan; and our CFO, BJ Losch. Additionally, our Chief Credit Officer, Susan Springfield will be available with Bryan and BJ for questions. I’ll now turn it over to Bryan.

Bryan Jordan

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead

Thank you, Aarti. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining our call. I’m pleased with our second quarter results. We saw good loan and deposit trends across the franchise, saw very good expense management, and margin management as well. As we discussed last November, we are transforming this Company for changing financial services landscape. We’re focused on driving efficiency to reinvest in people, products and technology. The opportunities for us in the expanded Capital Bank markets are very, very good. Our specialty businesses are capitalizing on those opportunities and also taking the advantage of growth opportunities more broadly by bringing a deep and broad product set and knowledge to our customer base. In the second quarter, we also demonstrated the countercyclical nature of our fixed income business, and we benefited from a mortgage warehouse finance business that is benefitting from lower rates and a strong housing market. Our outlook on the economy and interest rates is still reasonably constructive. We think that the economy is still doing very, very well and customer loan demand continues to be good. We think, as most do, that the Fed will make a move lower in July, not sure about later in the year. But in all likelihood, this economy we think continues to be reasonably stable and constructive over the remainder of this year. Borrower sentiment continues to be good. There’s a little bit of focus more prevalent today on tariffs and the impact of tariffs and what that may mean in decision-making cycles. But overall, borrowers are constructive and still optimistic. So, our outlook for the remainder of the year is reasonably optimistic. We see good momentum going into the third quarter. We’re encouraged by what we see in our customers and our customer base. We feel good about our ability to continue to one, grow the balance sheet; two, continue to manage our margin; and thirdly, continue to drive efficiency. So, as I said earlier, to reinvest in people, products and technology to transform this business. So, with that, let me stop and turn it over to BJ who’ll walk you through the details. And then I’ll come back for a few closing comments. BJ?

BJ Losch

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead

Great. Thanks, Bryan. Good morning, everybody. I’ll start on slide six with our financial results. Simply put, we had an excellent quarter. Double-digit EPS growth linked quarter was driven by significant revenue growth and expense control across both the banking and fixed income businesses. Our operating leverage was outstanding with revenues up 6% linked quarter while total expenses including notable items was up only 1% and adjusted expenses were actually down 2%. This resulted in an adjusted efficiency ratio of 59% in the quarter, an improvement of almost 500 basis points over 1Q ‘19. The total revenue growth of 6% linked quarter was driven by net interest income up 3%, primarily driven by commercial loan growth and fee income of 12% linked quarter driven by a 22% increase in fixed income fees and a 12% increase in bank fees. On slide seven, you can see that we’ve demonstrate tangible progress to deliver strong EPS and balance sheet growth by executing on the strategic priorities we laid out at our Investor Day last November. Our execution on the growth oriented priorities of dominating Tennessee and profitability growing key markets and specialty businesses are evidenced by the revenue and balance sheet growth that we saw in the quarter. And our priority of optimizing the expense base in order to approve our efficiency and ability to reinvest in the business and transform our customer experience was seen in reduction in core expenses net of reinvestment. We remain confident in our ability to maintain the business momentum we’re seeing, and we’ll continue improving the profitability and earnings profile of the Company. Turning to total loan growth on slide eight. You see that our year-over-year loan growth was at 5% and continuing to strengthen. Post our systems conversion and balance sheet repositioning for the Capital…

Bryan Jordan

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead

Thank you, BJ. As BJ said, we are optimistic about the second half of the year. We don’t know what we don’t know about the economy and interest rates, but from our perspective, as evidenced by our retail sales this morning, the consumer is still strong, borrowers are confident. And if there is a recession, right now, it seems to be isolated the Wall Street. The economy seems to be overall pretty steady and pretty strong. So, we’re optimistic. We have a great franchise; we’re excited about, as BJ mentioned; we’re a year beyond the integration of Capital Bank and we see greater opportunities in the Carolinas and Florida as well as existing Tennessee franchise. We are optimistic about the momentum we see in our fixed income business. So, we think we’re very well positioned for the second half of 2019. I want to say that -- I’ll say thank you to our employees. Thank you for all your hard work, all you’re doing to build our business and our customers and serve them. We thank you for that. And with that Chuck, we will stop and take any questions.

Operator

Operator

We will now begin the question-and answer-session. [Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Steven Alexopoulos of JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Steven Alexopoulos

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead

Hey. Good morning, everybody.

Bryan Jordan

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead

Good morning, Steve.

Steven Alexopoulos

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead

I want to start on the margin, maybe for BJ. So, if we assume the forward curve holds and we get two cuts this year, two cuts next year, how do we see the core NIM trending for the rest of the year?

BJ Losch

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead

Hey, Steve. Good morning. So, what I just talked about little bit was not changing our outlook for total NIM. So, we have it at plus or minus 3.30%. Embedded in that would be less accretion going forward the rest of the year. So, that would overall be a headwind to the overall margin. But from a core perspective, I think we’ve got a couple positives and then certainly a couple of things that would be a headwind. So, the headwinds clearly would be if we saw cuts, rate cuts. We’re currently assuming two. I’m not sure that will happen, quite honestly, but we’re assuming that because that’s what the forward curve is implying. And so, we’re trying to align with the forward curve. So, that will definitely be a headwind to us. But we’re very encouraged about how steady our spreads are staying on the loan side in aggregate. We’re very encouraged about the new volume that we’re putting on and new spreads that we’re seeing. We’re highly encouraged about the average deposit rate paid dynamics that we see in the deposits portfolio, as we’ve reduced our market index deposits as we’ve managed our base rates very effectively across the banking franchise, and we’ve been very smart about where we are offering promotional rates to still grow deposits but maintain very good discipline on the deposit rate paid side. So, we see some tailwinds with some headwinds. And so, sitting here today in the second quarter at 3.34%, we still feel comfortable that we could defend both the total and the core margin around these levels, plus or minus few basis points.

Steven Alexopoulos

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead

Okay. BJ, if the Fed continues to cut rates through -- into 2020, I mean, that would -- I mean, you’re giving a disclosure that you do have an asset sensitive balance sheet that at some point you would expect NIM pressure to build, correct?

BJ Losch

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead

Correct. That’s right.

Steven Alexopoulos

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead

Okay. And then…

Bryan Jordan

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead

I was just going to say, it depends on where you’re assuming the rate cuts. So, we’re already into July. If there is one in July, that’s a half year impact; if there’s one at the latter half of the year, then a lot of those tailwinds that I talked about in terms of actions that we’re taking would largely offset at this year. You’re right, going into next year, when there’d be a full year impact, it would be harder. But then again, some of the offsets that aren’t necessarily in the NII line would also come through things like our fixed income business being countercyclical et cetera. So, clearly, there is going to be pressure for us or for anybody on the margin if there is rate cuts. But, we’re actively trying to plan for to manage it as best as we can.

Steven Alexopoulos

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead

Okay. And then, to follow-up on that. So, the ADR was up really nicely this quarter. And I was a bit surprised because vol was still low in the quarter and rates haven’t moved down yet. Is just on an anticipation of rates moving down that you are starting to see more volume there?

BJ Losch

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead

Well, I think if you look at where the belly of the curve is, where a lot of the fixed income buying would be, that’s continued to move down. And so, I think we’ve seen a lot of customers trying to get ahead of price increases as yields in the 2 to 5-year range in particular have been coming down. And so, we saw strength on the mortgage desk. We saw strength on the agency desk and we saw a very, very good performance from our government-guaranteed lending business in the quarter. So, it’s not necessarily, Steve, as you well know that, the shortest end of the curve is more in the belly of the curve. So, we saw a lot of trading volume in those areas.

Steven Alexopoulos

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead

Maybe last one for Bryan. If we do see short-term rates decline and vol increases way has historically. From a pure structural view, is there any reason ADR could have moved back up to the higher end of that prior $1 million to $1.5 million range? Thanks.

Bryan Jordan

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead

Yes. Thanks, Steve. I think, the fixed income business has the ability to move up from here. Last week was a very strong week, approaching the $1 million in average daily revenues. It’s going to be a little bit volatile, as BJ just answered. There -- strength in the cost of number of desks. And you have to say in all likelihood, there was some confidence from borrowers if the Fed had at least shifted from raising rates to reducing rates so to speak getting out of the way. And I think that’s good for the business. I think, it can move up from here. I’d be reluctant, all of the difficulty we had back in ‘08 from $1 million or $1.5 million guidance; we’re embracing that. But I think, it can be stronger in the back half of the year. I think from what we’ve seen over the last couple of quarters, it has strengthened, and I think you can say in this range to slightly better throughout the remainder of this year.

BJ Losch

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead

I would just add, Steve, as well that, off the 40ish trading days that we saw, I would say 25% of them had over $1 million a day in trading volume. And so, it was very, very healthy across the quarter and particularly strengthened in June.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Brady Gailey of KBW. Please go ahead.

Brady Gaily

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

So, I’m going to start with the buyback because you guys have pretty consistently repurchased around 1% of the Company per quarter for the last few quarters. If you look at where you guys have been buying the stock back and the stock as of today is probably almost 10% higher than the level you repurchased it last quarter. So, just I’m asking basically, as you look to buybacks on the back half, do you expect to continue to be this active or with the stock trading it’s trading, does the buyback become a little less attractive to you?

BJ Losch

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Hey, Brady. It’s BJ. So, yes, we bought back stock attractively and we’re pleased with that in the quarter. We still see that as the lever going forward to deploy capital. First, we’re going to look to loan growth and we had excellent loan growth to support. So, you’ll see that our CET1 loan actually floated down below what our intended range was simply on higher risk weighted assets. But we still think that given our earnings profile and given our earnings momentum now, we still got a runway and still frankly trade at a discount. And so, we think that there’s going to be opportunities for us to continue to selectively buy back stock over the second half of the year.

Brady Gaily

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

All right. And then, BJ, you mentioned that the back half of this year to expect a lower level of yield accretion, which is explainable. But you saw a nice tick-up in 2Q versus 1Q. So, I guess just to be a little more precise. What level yield accretion do you think you guys will see in the back half of this year?

BJ Losch

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Brady, I think we were assuming $12 million, $11 million, $10 million, $9 million coming into this year for first through fourth quarter respectively. And I think we’re at $12 million this quarter, so a couple of million higher. But in that $10 million, $9 million a quarter range for the back half of the year, $10 million, $9 million, $8 million is what we expect.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Ken Zerbe of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Ken Zerbe

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Great. Thanks. In terms of the loans to mortgage companies, obviously they had a really strong quarter this quarter. Is it fair to assume that comes back down more to sort of a high ones next quarter, is there any reason to think just given the business model has changed because that could remain a little higher, and aside from the seasonality of course on a go forward basis?

Bryan Jordan

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Hey Ken, this is Bryan. We think that business can be strong for a while. And we’ve said in the past, we fully understand that there is a cyclical nature to it and you pointed out the seasonality. Fundamentally, we see a couple of things going on today. One is that the housing market, particularly the purchase markets are still reasonably strong. The refi markets are -- there’s demand for it, there is not a bigger percentage of the warehouse today. It’s still at about 30%. I’d acknowledge that 30% of a bigger number means more refi activity. But there’s so much demand for purchase money, refi has really been pushed a little bit out the curve or out the time spectrum because they’re not as time sensitive. So, we think that business structurally can just be stronger, particularly in the third quarter, which is seasonally pretty good as well. We have done in our management of the business that Bob Garrett and the team there have done a really nice job taking some additional market share. They have used our positioning with customers and our balance sheet and our ability to extend credit in ways that we think has improved our share of the market over the long-term. And so, while we’ll have some cyclical nature too, we think it as a bigger and a stronger business today than it has been based on the way they’ve managed it to expand share with our customer base.

Susan Springfield

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Specifically, if you look two years ago with the number of clients in that business, we had about 225 clients; today, we’ve got about 275 clients. So, over a two-year period, a significant increase in market share, which really was deliberate as Bryan mentioned.

Ken Zerbe

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Okay. And then, just going back to NIM just for a second. I get you guys, it was 3.30 on a go forward basis but it seems about 10 basis points of the change this quarter related to lower cash balances. And I’m not going to imply that your NIM should have been 3.20, but that’s kind of the implication. When you think about the 3.30 and your ability to hold the 3.30 steady on a go forward basis, are there other factors, like I understand throughout additional lower cash balances that you’re building in that we don’t know of in your guidance? Thanks.

BJ Losch

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Hey, Ken. It’s BJ. So, you may recall that in 1Q ‘19, our margin went to 3.31 from 4Q’s level of 3.37, right? And so, we had a lot of impact from excess cash that hurt us from fourth quarter to first quarter; now, it’s helped us first quarter to second quarter. So, that’s kind of -- that impact is largely I think moderated. Our excess cash levels are much more reasonable now. So, I don’t think that there is nearly as much movement there. We’ve been able to take out market index deposits far quicker than we thought and finally got the ability to put that cash to work. So, I don’t think that will be as much of a movement. It’s really going to be over the next couple of quarters us managing deposit rates really, really well. Loans to mortgage companies continuing we believe to be strong, given what we think the rate environment and outlook is. And then, offsetting that any impacts, if there are rate cuts, tell us -- excuse me, headwinds from that. So, if we sit here today at 3.34, I look at deposit as I just talked about, I look at potential rate cuts and what that impacts us at, I think I think, 3.30 plus or minus is probably where we’re at over the second half of the year.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Ebrahim Poonawala of Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Ebrahim Poonawala

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

Sorry about following up again on a question on NIM. Just want to make sure, BJ, at least we are thinking about this correctly. If I look at your slide 11 disclosure, 25 basis-point $11 million impact is about 3 basis points of the margin. Is that the simplest way to think about the core NIM, if say, we get a July cut, the impact is about 3 basis points, give or take?

BJ Losch

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

That again is on a static balance sheet. So, that wouldn’t take into account for instance that loans -- mortgage companies would continue to strengthen in the third quarter. But generally speaking, on a static basis, Ebrahim, that’s correct.

Bryan Jordan

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

Hey Ebrahim, this is Bryan. That is a static balance sheet, as BJ said. And it is a parallel shift of the entire curve. And so, I don’t know if LIBOR has been forecasting lower rates. And you’ve already seen some compression to Fed fund. So, some of that in all likelihood could be already factored in. So, it’s not a forecast in any way, shape or form. It is just a way to model the balance sheet. So, if the balance sheet is identical and you move the entire yield curve by 25 basis points up or down, this is the impact on net interest income. So, it’s a rule of thumb. But, it may or may not be useful in modeling. You have to make some assumptions about what parts of the curve we’ve already moved in anticipation of lower rates.

Ebrahim Poonawala

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

Understand. And just tied to that, when you think about the interest bearing deposits at 1.32, appreciating the dynamics of the market index going down, do you see the 1.32 going much higher or do you expect that just the offset of the market index running off, should support that around current levels?

BJ Losch

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

Ebrahim, there is still plenty of deposit competition out there. So, I think, there will continue to be pressure on deposit rate paid. Now, we do have the lever of lowering market index deposits, which will certainly help our overall deposit rate paid. But, even in the banking business, like I talked about, our deposit rates paid in the core customer deposits were only up 1 basis-point quarter-to-quarter, which is outstanding performance. Will it continue to potentially float higher by a couple of basis points, probably, because competition remains high and we’re going to compete for deposits and retain customers, as needed. But, we’re maintaining the discipline that we need to maintain around offering fair and competitive pricing while also growing deposit. So, again, we’re very pleased with what we are seeing there and we expect these types of trends to continue.

Bryan Jordan

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

BJ is right. Deposit competition is still high but we’ve seen some moderation in some of the higher rate longer term offers that are in the marketplace. And so, we’re a little bit encouraged that the trend is moving in the right direction, and I suspect that has to do anticipation of the Fed potentially cutting rates.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Jennifer Demba of SunTrust. Please go ahead.

Jennifer Demba

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

Thank you. Good morning. Question on the mortgage warehouse credit that you charged off and you have a bit higher non-performing loans as well. Can you give us any color on those credits and on the overall book there, credit wise?

Susan Springfield

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

Sure, Jenifer. We took a partial charge-off on a mortgage warehouse client that was impacted from due to a liquidity event. Our particular credit to charge down was based on an imperilment analysis that we did in the second quarter. This is not a traditional flow line. It was a different type of facility that was used when company had to repurchase certain loans at certain times due to certain events that may have happened for those notes. So, we have really very few lines like that in the mortgage warehouse lending business. The majority of our business is traditional flow line. And so, -- the asset quality outlook for mortgage warehouse lending remains excellent. This is really a one-off situation.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Michael Rose of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Michael Rose

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead

I just wanted to go back to the question on share repurchases. It looks like your CET1 ratio is currently below your guidance range. Is the expectation that you’ll perhaps operate below that range in the near-term? Thanks.

BJ Losch

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead

Hey Michael, it’s BJ. So, we decided not to change the outlook from the 9.5 to 10. So, it very low could be that we operate down at these levels. If you look at our TCE to TA, it actually was still at 7.3, it was unchanged. So, we feel very, very comfortable with our capital levels at this range, and so being within 20 basis points at the low end of this range doesn’t particularly bother us. So, like I said earlier, we continue to believe we’re going to see healthy loan growth and as well as be opportunistic on share buybacks in the second half of the year. So, whether it’s 9.3 or the 9.5, somewhere in this range is where we feel comfortable for the second half of the year.

Michael Rose

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead

Okay. That’s helpful. And then, maybe just going back to warehouse, I don’t think you gave us the numbers in a while but can you just give us the kind of state of where the business is in terms of customers, average line size, things like that just as a reminder? Thanks.

Susan Springfield

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead

Sure. We have been steadily adding market share I mentioned a little bit earlier on the call. But if you look back over two years, client count has gone from about 225 to 275. So, we’ve built some good market share over the last couple of years. We have really average line size of probably being in the $40 million range for mortgage warehouse. We have during the second quarter as the business really took off with combination of same buying season, strong home from buying as well as rates lowering, we did take the opportunity to do some expansion lines with some good existing customers. Those are anticipated to come back down at the end of the second quarter when you see the seasonality come back. So, that continues to be a very good business for us. It’s very well managed and feel good about the outlook for the mortgage warehouse business.

Michael Rose

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead

Okay. And just a follow-up to that, where do your dwell times stand, at this point?

Susan Springfield

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead

Yes. Dwell times actually went up a couple of days from first to second quarter, largely driven by the fact there was so much activity in the system, just even being able to get loans through the system for all of our customers and probably the entire industry. The other thing that we saw in the second quarter, at least for our book of business is the average loan size went up, about $15,000 that have been pretty steady at the $250,000 range. And it was about 260, 265 for the second quarter.

Michael Rose

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead

What was the average dwell time and would you expect that to fall as the dynamic of repayments are up, refis slows?

Susan Springfield

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead

It went from 15 to 17 days.

Michael Rose

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead

Okay…

Bryan Jordan

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead

And I think we would, Brady, it’s always been to 15 to 18 days, range.

Susan Springfield

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead

There are different things that can affect it. I mean, you got obviously just through the system a few years ago when there was a regulatory change; you saw some things that hung up there. But, I’d say 15, probably a good average dwell time number.

Michael Rose

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Christopher Marinac of Janney Montgomery Scott. Please go ahead.

Christopher Marinac

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott. Please go ahead

Thanks. Good morning. Susan, could you elaborate on some of the specialty C&I business lines, and particularly restaurants and the portfolio that’s now a couple years seasoned? Just curious what you’re seeing there and any other relevant C&I trends?

Susan Springfield

Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott. Please go ahead

So, I’ll start with franchise finance because you mentioned that. We see good opportunities there. We had no downgrades in that portfolio this quarter. We continue to add business there. We’ve managed some of the smaller relationships have paid off, some of the small as when we bought the GE business. The outlook is very good. The team is very knowledgeable in the industry. The one thing I think and I know others are watching this as well, the cost of labor is something we’re watching in that franchise finance business. So, we have seen some commodity prices come down. So, you’re still seeing some strong results there. They actually had a good second quarter and added some business there. The healthcare business, which is being managed in our Middle Tennessee market, continues to be a good business for us. That’s about $900 million portfolio. I failed to mention, franchise finance is about $800 million. We see good opportunities there and obviously we watch the regulatory environment carefully within healthcare. The asset-based lending business, which is about $2 billion business for us, continues to be core business. As you know, we’ve been in the asset-based lending business for 30 plus years, performed extremely well during the downturn. It’s a good disciplined business with borrowing base monitoring and we continue to see good opportunities there. We have seen some borrowers use securitization. So, we occasionally get payoffs on good borrowers as they securitize debt in the market. But, we have been able to continue to do business with existing customers as well as add others. The portion of real estate business again kind of what we call a specialty business, but it’s really a core business for us and you’ve head us say this on calls. We believe that long-term consistency…

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Brock Vandervliet of UBS. Please go ahead.

Brock Vandervliet

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead

Thanks for the question. I wanted to go back to slide 11, that’s very, very helpful. I understand the guide on the near term based on the two cuts. Should we think longer term also about asset and liability betas? Do you think about it in those terms? Longer term, should we instead think about a NIM, a specific NIM sensitivity for each cut? Can you dimension that any further for us?

BJ Losch

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead

I think, Brock, clearly, we run all different kinds of scenarios around net interest income and net interest margin sensitivity. So, I don’t have all of it today and probably couldn’t talk through it without getting pretty confusing. But, yes, we make sure that we understand the full annualized impacts on our portfolios of different cuts or increases in short-term rates. We have a myriad of assumptions that underlie this around deposit betas, betas on the loan yields and then, correspondingly, we actually run what we call a dynamic interest rate senility forecast, which takes into account shifting of balance sheet mixes on the deposit loan side. We are constantly thinking about what are margin impacts and our net interest income impacts are in different environment. So, we will continue to disclose what we think is most helpful to you all. And we can certainly follow up with any further questions that you got.

Bryan Jordan

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead

Brock, this is Bryan. All that modeling goes into the category of all models are wrong, some are useful.

Brock Vandervliet

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead

On that -- yes, to that point, can we extrapolate from that NII sensitivity, the shock test if we were to extend it down to 100 basis points lower with that kind of move in proportion to the down 50 percentage or not?

BJ Losch

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead

Yes. So, certainly, as you move down the curve, what’s going to happen or you have rate cuts, what’s going to happen, particularly on the deposit side is you are going to hit floors under which you can’t really move rates anymore for deposit rate paid. And so that’s why you see a big step change from 25 basis points to 50 is once you get beyond 25, you start to hit some of the floors on different product and product categories. So, 50 basis points -- excuse me, going down 100 would probably be more like a proportional step to the 50.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Jon Arfstrom of RBC Capital. Please go ahead.

Jon Arfstrom

Analyst · RBC Capital. Please go ahead

Hi. Question on expenses, I don’t think we’ve hit on that yet. But, BJ, you talked about $15 million in cost saves for the full year and $20 million in reinvestment. So, maybe a net of about $30 million. It seems like maybe you’re already there in terms of the first half with the $36 million and $6 million. So, I’m just curious if you can just give us a little help in the run rate and what kind of expense expectations you have for 2019?

BJ Losch

Analyst · RBC Capital. Please go ahead

Yes. So, remember back at Investor Day, we talked about targeting being flat to down in our expense base and we still believe that. We expect it to be more the down as opposed to the flat and that’s even despite probably $25 million or so of incremental increase in variable compensation to support higher fixed income revenue. So, we’ll cover that and we’ll cover the reinvestments that we’re making with additional efficiency. So, as Bryan said earlier, quick and heartfelt thanks to all the excellent work that our employees have done to put us in this position to reinvest. So, yes, we’re probably ahead Jon a little bit on what we have in terms of efficiency. I would hope that we would not be at the $50 million that we’d be north of the $50 million by the end of the year, and I expect us to do that. But our reinvestment was slower, as you might imagine. What we wanted to do is make sure that we took out the efficiencies first, so that we had the appropriate run rate on which to reinvest. So, that’s why you’ll see a more significant ramp up in the reinvestments in the second half of the year. And those are things like further strategic hires in some of our key markets, strategic hires in technology that will actually enable us to do some of the systems and application changes and architecture changes that we want to make, transform our technology environment over time. As you know we’re making significant investments in customer experience related efforts that have both, the technology component, a marketing component and a people component to them. So, those are really starting to just materially ramp up into the second half of the year and they would continue going forward. We’re not going to be able to just stop. We know we’re on a -- we’re trying to walk up or down escalator, if you will, in terms of keeping up with all the changes in the industry. And so, we’re going to be very, very smart about the cost but we don’t need any more of that. We reinvested in the places where customers are demanding that we do better. And so, we’re pleased with how we’ve done that today. We expect expenses to be flat to down going through the rest of the year and we’ll continue to maintain strong expense discipline into 2020.

Jon Arfstrom

Analyst · RBC Capital. Please go ahead

Okay. That helps. Very big picture, is there anything wrong with looking at the $0.42 as a new earnings run rate for your Company? I know you have some variability. But, looking at what everybody else, we’ve all picked up all your margin, we looked at the warehouse, and we’ve looked at fixed income. And I know there’s some variability. But any reason you’d hold us back from that?

Bryan Jordan

Analyst · RBC Capital. Please go ahead

Jon, this is Bryan. I think, I wouldn’t affirm any specific number. I think, we can be in that 40 area, and we’re optimistic. You touched on expenses and we’ve had a lot of conversation about margin. I think, it’s important to step back from it and look at the entire organization. And when you look at the impact of declining rates of your asset sensitivity, it’s going to hurt you. But, you’ve got other levers in our business. You have a strong mortgage warehouse lending business, which we think will continue strong as long as the consumer is strong. We had the fixed income business with average daily revenues. So, our business is a balanced one. We think we’ve performed well in a number of different environments. We think we’ve got very, very good credit quality and that will hold up. So, we’re optimistic about the back half of the year. We don’t know what the Fed’s going to do or how they’re going to do it. But, as I said in my opening comments, we’re still pretty optimistic about the overall economy to strengthen the economy momentum in our business and the momentum that we see underlying our business. So, if it were in the 40 area, I would be reasonably confident in that.

Jon Arfstrom

Analyst · RBC Capital. Please go ahead

Okay. All right. Yes. It seems pretty healthy. Okay. Thanks a lot for the help. I appreciate it.

Bryan Jordan

Analyst · RBC Capital. Please go ahead

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Brett Rabatin of Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Hey. Good morning. I wanted to go back if we could to expenses, and just thinking about the saves versus the reinvestment, and if the fixed income piece continues to improve or drive results. Would that change how you guys think about reinvestment into 2020 and then maybe can you just talk overall about the efficiency ratio and how you want to see that trend over the next year versus the investment rate? Thanks.

Bryan Jordan

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

Brett, this is Bryan. Let me start. So, what we’re doing on the cost side of our business is really not heavily influenced by what’s going on in the fixed income business, other than as BJ mentioned earlier, they are working really hard to make that business more effective and more efficient. What we’re doing on the expense side is really what we talked about in the first quarter call, which is we’re trying to drive efficiency to separate out the good cost and bad cost and take that efficiency and invest it back into people and products and technology to really deal with the changing nature or the landscape of financial services. We think we have the ability to do that and manage through that remainder of this year and into 2020. And so, while fixed income may earn more or less than they are today, we’re optimistic about ADR. It really doesn’t have much impact on our outlook on how we manage expenses. I’ll let BJ sort of talk about his expectations on the overhead efficiency ratio. But, as you saw this quarter, it moved down significantly. We think over time, we will continue to move that overhead efficiency ratio down, not necessarily from this given point, but over time, we expect to get more efficient as an organization.

BJ Losch

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

And I would just add, to Bryan’s point on longer term, the efficiency ratio. The adjusted ratio, as you know, was at 59 this quarter. We had said back at Investor Day, back then, we were sitting at 64 on an adjusted basis. This quarter, we’re at 59. We believe that that might float up a little bit over the next couple of quarters, not because of lack of discipline but because of reinvestment and so on. But, our expectation, as we said back in Investor Day is to consistently have that efficiency ratio below 59. And that wouldn’t be the stopping point. That wouldn’t be the floor we would continue to try to manage that down with the idea though that we’ve got to reinvest some more material amount of our expense efficiency in the future of the business. So, we’ll try to be very smart about it. But, we expect to continue to drive it 59 every time.

Bryan Jordan

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead

I would just add one other thought, which is over the long arc of time, our bankers, our people have demonstrated the ability to control cost and take cost out of the organization. And we think that’s a key competency of the organization and we continue to focus on that and will.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Tyler Stafford of Stephens Inc. Please go ahead.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens Inc. Please go ahead

Just given the expectations around the mortgage warehouse strength continuing and where that was on end-of-period basis in the second quarter. Just can you frame up just total consolidated growth that you’d expect to see for 2019 for us?

BJ Losch

Analyst · Stephens Inc. Please go ahead

For total loan growth?

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens Inc. Please go ahead

Yes, total consolidated loan growth for the year, just given that tailwind of the mortgage warehouse.

BJ Losch

Analyst · Stephens Inc. Please go ahead

Yes. So, total loan growth year-over-year second quarter of ‘19 versus ‘18 was 5%. We did not change the outlook that we had laid out at Investor Day in terms of loan growth between 3% and 6%. So, I think our expectation would be hopefully it’s at the higher end of that range. And I don’t think that anybody would be disappointed if we broke through the higher end of that range. So, as Bryan talked about earlier, Susan did, I did, our pipelines continue to remain strong. We think loans to mortgage companies will continue to remain strong. Our core commercial lending across specialty is strong. And even though our key markets of Carolinas and South Florida had just modest growth this quarter, as we talked about, we think that there is very positive strength going forward there. So, we feel very good about the outlook that we laid out and maybe we can even beat it.

Susan Springfield

Analyst · Stephens Inc. Please go ahead

One data point to add there. When we look at new production in the second quarter compared to the same quarter last year, which was -- that we went through the conversion in May of last year, just of course -- I mean, C&I without mortgage warehouse and without commercial real estate, we saw new production increase about 33% from second quarter of last year to second quarter of this year. So, our bankers are really doing a good job of getting out and working with those new customers as well as existing customers to expand relationships, which should serve us well as we continue to -- as I said, in a very consistent way, to look at that loan growth and relationship growth.

Bryan Jordan

Analyst · Stephens Inc. Please go ahead

It’s clearly a point about moving from an integration focus to calling effort growing the business, not to put too many fine points on it too. The growth year-over-year that BJ mentioned, you also have about a 1 point, 1.5 of runoff in the non-strategic portfolio, about $400 million. So, there’s a lot of complexity to it. But, as BJ said, we’re pretty optimistic about our ability in this economic backdrop to grow loans.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jared Shaw of Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead.

Timur Braziler

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead

Hi. Good morning. This is actually Timur Braziler filling in for Jared. Maybe just follow-up on that last comment. As you look at some of the momentum growth you’ve seen out of the new Carolina Florida markets on the deposit side, how much of that is being driven by this increased commercial penetration on the loan side, on the relationship side, or is that more so a deposit effort to try and grow those balances?

BJ Losch

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead

I think, it’s a bit of both, of course. On the consumer side, in those markets, we’re predominantly focused on deposit gathering and specifically building what we call primacy of relationships is getting deposits with the checking accounts in particular and really doing the hard work to build those relationships. On the commercial side, it has always been our practice for our relationship managers to build full relationships whenever they possibly can. So, our core C&I business, particularly on the legacy first Tennessee side has 90-plus-percent full relationships. We are working to build that exact type of model in the Carolinas and Florida as well. We had a great head start with what Capital Bank was already doing with clients and customer relationships. But we’re strengthening our treasury services, platform, introducing that into those newer markets, which have enhanced capabilities relative to what they would have seen before from Legacy Capital Bank side. And so, it’s an emphasis to grow both loans and deposits on the commercial side.

Bryan Jordan

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead

I would pick up too on the mid-Atlantic portfolio. We -- that’s a portfolio that we’re still a little bit in transition and in terms of reducing aggregate exposure to commercial real estate that is not in our traditional commercial real estate business. And so, that has had the effect of muting some of the growth there. So, we think that’s -- take mid-Atlantic for example. That’s a market where we have the opportunity to see a significant acceleration. We’re seeing that in our South Florida, our Florida franchise. So, those businesses we think still hold great potential for us.

Timur Braziler

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead

Okay. That’s good color. And one last one for me, if I can just follow up on the warehouse business, that’s now 13% of the total loan book; it seems like there’s still good opportunity within that business. I guess, just broadly speaking, how large can that business get from a concentration standpoint and then also the yield that you’ve got on that portfolio in the second quarter?

Susan Springfield

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead

As I’ve mentioned before, we do have a robust portfolio limits process in our Company that includes limits for different industries and different businesses, and we reevaluate that at least annually. Right now, we’re within the limits that we’ve set for mortgage warehouse lending. I think, we feel so good about where we are today. It’s a business that we know is going to be both cyclical and seasonal. So, we’re comfortable with that fluctuating up and down as it relates to limits. So, for now, we’ve got room in our limits to continue to grow that business, but we clearly don’t want it to become outsized either.

Timur Braziler

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead

And then, the second quarter yield on that business?

BJ Losch

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead

About 5.50.

Timur Braziler

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Garrett Holland of Baird. Please go ahead.

Garrett Holland

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Thanks for taking the questions. You’ve covered most of the topics. But, I think it’s impressive, you continue to find the incremental expense savings, so that $30 million for 2019. Just curious, are there any similar sized expense levers remaining or are the efficiencies likely to be more incremental moving forward?

BJ Losch

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

They’ll likely be both. As Bryan said, we’re not going to stop finding efficiencies, though clearly what we wanted to do in the first half of this year is get a significant jump start on those efficiencies, so we could start the reinvestment process. We have taken a significant amount of costs out of the organization this year. So, it’s going to be hard to replicate $50 million plus of cost savings every year clearly. So, our efficiency incrementals will probably be slower year-over-year and reinvestments will ramp up. I’ll remind you that there’s reinvestments, as Bryan talked about, will be good costs, if you will, that will be revenue generating, that will be improving the customer experience, that will be making our technology and operations environment much more efficient over time, such that our efficiency ratio continues to improve and our earnings power continues to get better.

Garrett Holland

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

That’s helpful. And just one more on the fixed income business performance, obviously, very good this quarter. Have you said that you are taking -- you are now taking market share in that business?

Bryan Jordan

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

This is Bryan. It’s hard to tell in a short period of time like this. We have a unique positioning in the sales force and the coverage that we have. We call alone thousands of accounts. There are some areas where I think in all likelihood we probably are taking some market share. But, I think over time, we’ll know better.

Garrett Holland

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Fair enough. Thanks for taking the questions.

Bryan Jordan

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Sure. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Bryan Jordan for any closing remarks.

Bryan Jordan

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead

Thank you, Chuck. Thank you all for taking time to join us this morning. We feel very, very good about the momentum we see across all of our businesses, good loan and deposit transaction and activity. We are encouraged about our ability to control costs and control our margin, and we’re pleased with the momentum we see in our fixed income business. Thank you again to all of our colleagues for the great hard work that they are doing to serve our customers and build our business. If you have any further questions, please feel free to reach out to any of us or to Aarti and her team today. Thank you again for joining us. Have a great afternoon, great day.

Operator

Operator

This conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today’s presentation. You may now disconnect.