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Q3 2014 Earnings Call· Wed, Nov 5, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Third Quarter 2014 Forestar Group Incorporated Earnings Conference Call. My name is Denise, and I'll be the operator for today. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now turn the conference over to Anna Torma. Please proceed.

Anna Elizabeth Torma

Analyst

Thanks, and good morning. I would like to welcome each of you who have joined us by conference call or webcast this morning to discuss Forestar's third quarter 2014 results. I'm Anna Torma, Senior Vice President, Corporate Affairs. Joining me on the call today is Jim DeCosmo, President and CEO; and Chris Nines, Chief Financial Officer. This call is being webcast and copies of the earnings release and the presentation slides are now available on the Investor Relations section of our website at forestargroup.com. Before we get started, let me remind you to please review the warning statements in our press release and our slides, as we will make forward-looking statements during the presentation. In addition, this presentation includes non-GAAP financial measures, the required reconciliation to GAAP financial measures can be found at the back of our earnings release and slides or on our website. Now let me turn the call over to Chris for a review of our third quarter financial results.

Christopher L. Nines

Analyst

Thank you, Anna, and let me also welcome everybody joining us on the call this morning. In third quarter 2014, Forestar reported income before taxes of approximately $8 million, compared with $8.9 million in third quarter 2013. Net income was approximately $5.2 million in third quarter 2014 or $0.12 per share, as compared with net income of $11.8 million or $0.33 per share in the third quarter of 2013. The primary driver of the variance in net income and earnings per share is principally related to our previously reported onetime tax benefit in third quarter 2013 of approximately $6.3 million or $0.17 per share related to qualified timber gains from sales in 2009. Real estate segment earnings were approximately $16 million in third quarter 2014, up compared with $13.2 million in third quarter 2013. Our third quarter 2014 real estate segment results include a $7.6 million gain pretax, associated with the purchase of our partner's 75% ownership interest in the Eleven multifamily venture, reflecting the fair market value of the project on the date of purchase. As a result of this acquisition, we remeasured the value of our equity investment from $2.2 million to $9.8 million, resulting in a $7.6 million gain. Oil & Gas segment earnings were approximately $6 million in third quarter 2014, compared with $8.5 million in the third quarter 2013. This decline in earnings is principally due to higher exploration costs, lower oil prices and reduced royalty interest production related to our legacy minerals, which was partially offset by a $3.3 million gain pretax principally associated with the sale of approximately 348 net mineral acres of leasehold interest in the Bakken/Three Forks, as well as higher working interest oil production, which was up 55% year-over-year. Other natural resources segment earnings were approximately $700,000 in third quarter…

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst

Thank you, Chris. And I'd also like to welcome everybody, who's joining us on the call this morning. I especially want to congratulate Chris and John Pierret for a great job on resourcing the bonds over the goal line. That's a fantastic accomplishment. Chris and John and the team, they start their day, every day, the same way. And that is we wake up every morning, focused on creating and realizing value. And that's our strategy, delivering the greatest value from every acre and growing through strategic, and let me emphasize, disciplined investments. The success of Cibolo Canyons is a testament to the execution of our strategy and our vision. And equally important, to create and realize exceptional value and that's value that's returned to shareholders. Today, we've effectively delivered our 2009 and 2012 Triple in FOR initiative, and we're well on the way toward delivering our Growing FORward initiatives and increasing segment earnings, driving return and repositioning non-core assets. On a fully diluted basis, we expect our 2014 total segment EBITDA per share to triple over that of 2010. I believe we have the right vision, the right team and we're on the right strategic path to maximize shareholder value. Now let's take a look at some of the operating highlights from the third quarter of this year, and I'll start with real estate. Even though there is some mixed signals in housing, we're just as confident today as we were this time last year, particularly, given the location and the quality of our community, coupled with low inventories. And I'll touch more on our markets in just a moment. For the quarter, real estate segment earnings were $16 million and that's up over 21% compared with the third quarter of last year. As the chart illustrates, the key…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Steve Chercover with Davidson. Steven Chercover - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: First question, as we think of the $46 million inflection at Cibolo Canyons, should we think of that as a recurring principal with more to come.

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst

Steve, I think that the book balance or the book basis for -- that was about $24 million. So certainly got the bases back and then anything on top that from a cash perspective would be above our basis. And then, also, in Chris' comments, if you consider everything flat going forward through 24, there should be receipt at the district level of an incremental $35 million. And just let me emphasize that's -- the assumption is, is that everything is flat going forward. Steven Chercover - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: I guess, I just want to make sure at maturity there's no recourse to Forestar.

Christopher L. Nines

Analyst

Only recourse, Steve, that we have is we provided a $6.8 million Letter of Credit to support the bond issuance, which is effectively 150% of maximum annual debt service. So that is our recourse to the bond issuance. Steven Chercover - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: The recent declines in oil and gas prices are obviously bad from a royalty stand point. But is there a silver lining because as drilling activity slows the capital fall on you diminishes?

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst

Steve, our expectation today is that the rate of drilling in the Bakken/Three Forks, which is where we have a nonoperated working interest would be fairly flat year-over-year. So a lot of the discussion relative to capital for oil and gas has been a reduction in growth rates, which means flat year-to-year. There can be a lot of variability in capital spending. There's a big difference. I'll just the Bakken/Three Forks for example. In the core, you still generate a return at $60 on the periphery and in the flanks. The breakeven cost is above $80. So the level of capital spending is very much dependent upon the production cost. Steven Chercover - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: But if oil were back at $100 for instance, would you be able to say unequivocally that you've got sufficient capital to fund all of your strategic initiatives?

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst

Yes. Steve, we've said on a number of occasions here that given the balance sheet, the liquidity and the cash flow that we see going forward that we're adequately funded to deliver our Growing FORward initiative.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Steve O'Hara with Sidoti. Stephen O'Hara - Sidoti & Company, Inc.: I had to jump on a little late but I just wanted to ask you a question about the Growing FORward initiatives and I apologize if it's been discussed already. But do you still believe you can get to where you are or where you want to be in those initiatives given the current oil price? And maybe what your thoughts are there.

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst

Yes. Steve, I think, it goes without saying that oil price are down $20 it makes it a little bit more difficult, but we still believe that we can deliver the Growing FORward initiatives. I said in my comments that it's unlikely that oil will stay down below $80 -- below that $80 level long term. If you just look at the global replacement cost for oil is north of $80. So nonetheless, we always will look at our plans and our initiatives and make adjustments, based on what's happening in the markets. But when you put together initiatives and plans and targets, there's going to be some adaptive moves and measures along the way. And we're certainly prepared to do that. Stephen O'Hara - Sidoti & Company, Inc.: And can you just talk about, I know Halcon was at a conference, I want to say, back in August or September and they were talking about you EURs in the Bakken and it sounded like they've thought that a lot of these EURs are going to be in the million range, definitely in the high several hundred thousand range. And I'm just wondering what that would help -- how that would help you guys. And is that -- are those areas where you guys are situated.

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst

Yes, Steve, obviously, if EURs came in, at 1 million barrel per well that would be very significant to Forestar. If you recall the -- with the Credo acquisition, even subsequent investments, we took pre-underwriting $500,000 so that's a double. So that's very meaningful as it relates to returns as well as PV-10. Also relative to Halcon, about 40% of the units in which we have investments in, Halcon will be the operator. So to the extent that Halcon continues to improve in well performance and in calls and returns, that's certainly a good thing for Forestar. I'm pulling for them. Stephen O'Hara - Sidoti & Company, Inc.: I'm sure. And then just finally, in terms of -- is it a matter of Halcon being maybe better in the region? Or is it a matter of just technology improving the way they operate the wells improving? And I mean, do you see that improving generally in the Bakken? Or is it more of just the Halcon wells only?

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst

Steve, I think there's 2 key points here. One is all the operators are making progress in driving return either through lowering costs or increasing EURs and production rates through technology. I don't think it would be a good idea for me to try to handicap is Halcon better or worse. I think that they're a very confident cable operator and they continue to make improvements and progress. Number two, and I think probably even most important, is location. If you look at results, you'll see that there's a pretty significant difference in consistency, as well as level of improvement in the core versus non-core, and I just used 2 broad categories there. But even though the Bakken is a resource play there is some variability and there also is some variability in their performance across the basin but the real focus is, for us, whether it's a sale or acquisition or an investment, it's all about both the geology and the quality of the rocks, the location, as well as the operator.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Rob Longnecker with Jovetree.

Robert Longnecker

Analyst · Jovetree.

Can you guys provide a little more color on this new Bakken you're talking about, kind of, what you're potentially budgeting for it and what are your return hurdles are from there?

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst · Jovetree.

Yes, Rob, the returns to hurdles for oil and gas are a 20% rate of return and that's the standard that we have. Relative to the new position, it -- as I said, in my comments, it's to a very small position and perspective resource play. As I said, it's approximately 24,000 acres not 100. The position that we took is consistent with us managing our balance sheet and our capital. And it's important to us that we don’t over-extend ourselves and other comment I'd make, Rob, too, is that, as we think about the locations we have in various basins and play going forward, as I said, we see ourselves working through the Kansas and Nebraska. And I see a transition into the Oklahoma position that we established.

Robert Longnecker

Analyst · Jovetree.

And I mean shouldn't return hurdle be higher for a more speculative [indiscernible] stage basin?

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst · Jovetree.

Yes, depending upon risk, when you underwrite it from an exploratory perspective, it's a much higher return, but ultimately, Rob, you've got to believe that, once proven, once stabilized that you're going to generate a longer-term at least 20% rate of return at the project level.

Robert Longnecker

Analyst · Jovetree.

And oil what prices are you using? Are you using spreads for that?

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst · Jovetree.

We'll look at a couple of different scenarios, Rob, we'll use a spread and then we're pretty consistent using the standard of $80 and $3. $80 oil flat and $3 gas. The thought is if you like the returns and like the economics at $80 and $3, then it's a good investment. So that's a -- instead of using NYMEX all the time, which changes, we always use 1 consistent pricing. So we've got some -- a relative view, relative to investments.

Robert Longnecker

Analyst · Jovetree.

So is this something that you think you'll get it big your Kansas Nebraska asset?

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst · Jovetree.

I'm sorry, Rob. What are you saying?

Robert Longnecker

Analyst · Jovetree.

Is this -- are you guys envisioning that this is something that will get as big as the Kansas Nebraska asset in terms of acreage?

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst · Jovetree.

Unlike -- they're 2 different types of plays, Rob. I think what you asked me is do we see this becoming same size from an acreage perspective as Kansas and Nebraska.

Robert Longnecker

Analyst · Jovetree.

Yes.

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst · Jovetree.

No. The Kansas Nebraska is more of a statistical play. And what we see in the location in Oklahoma is a resource.

Robert Longnecker

Analyst · Jovetree.

Got you. And just changing gears for a second. Have you guys changed strategy at Eleven? It's my understanding that you guys were marketing that.

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst · Jovetree.

Yes, it was being marketed and the more that we look at the property, Rob, the more that we like this prospect going forward. If you look at some of the projects that we had, we developed Promesa, a large saleable [ph] balance sheet. We believe in that site, we're doing the same thing with Cedar Hill. And I would tell you, if I had to do it over again, I would -- we would have developed Eleven on the balance sheet and have held it for some time. So we had an opportunity to acquire our partner's interest and to end up with a still very attractive cost basis. So we took advantage of that. And as I said in my comments, if we look at what's going on in the surrounding area around Eleven, it's only getting better, particularly, given the development of UT med school.

Robert Longnecker

Analyst · Jovetree.

And how does the price that you guys [indiscernible] that you had as well?

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst · Jovetree.

Rob, can you repeat that one more time?

Robert Longnecker

Analyst · Jovetree.

Yes. Sorry. I guess, I think, all the callers are having an echo. You guys were running a process that sounds like you had some preliminary offers on the table. How does the price that you paid your partners compare to those [indiscernible] on the table?

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst · Jovetree.

It was relative to pricing we see in the market, Rob. What we paid the partner was, you'd say at the time of acquisition, was at market. And also, consistent with terms that we had in the agreement.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jeff Bronchick with Cove Street Capital.

Jeffrey Bronchick - Cove Street Capital, LLC

Analyst · Cove Street Capital.

Jim, just again, maybe just to clarify the Oklahoma play, what was the land cost for the acreage?

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst · Cove Street Capital.

Jeff, it was in the neighborhood of $500 to $600 an acre, something like that. We were relatively early there. This is -- as you're probably well aware the established position you start -- you start early and have a lot of analysis relative to the geology in the rocks and everything else. So we were able to get in, at what I believe to be, a pretty attractive price per acre.

Jeffrey Bronchick - Cove Street Capital, LLC

Analyst · Cove Street Capital.

And the second, the press release mentioned the $2.3 million as a dry hole and you referenced it here on the call as a mechanical issue with the rig. Maybe, would you just clarify that?

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst · Cove Street Capital.

Yes. One of the exploratory wells was having mechanical issues, principally, reflective of the crew in the rig and we made a decision to discontinue those operations and bring in a new crew and rig.

Jeffrey Bronchick - Cove Street Capital, LLC

Analyst · Cove Street Capital.

So this remains -- this play remains wildcatting, for lack of a better word, versus the Bakken, which is sort of a mechanical punch and play.

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst · Cove Street Capital.

Jeff, I wouldn't call it wildcatting, but I also wouldn't say that it's a proven resource play just in this development stage. There certainly other operators, public operators, who are in the basin who have had a number of successful wells. So I think you may be a little bit stretched to call it wildcatting.

Jeffrey Bronchick - Cove Street Capital, LLC

Analyst · Cove Street Capital.

And so looking at 2006 -- in 2015 what would you estimate the dollar amount that you're going to put in for any variety of exploratory wells or land acquisition in Oklahoma.

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst · Cove Street Capital.

Jeff, the capital that we see for 2015 today, and I'll provide additional clarity on the call in February, I think capital being pretty consistent in 2015, as well as 2014 and also, the type of mix. One of the things that we have focused on is maintaining the mix between capital that's used for development versus acquisitions or extensions. And we'll continue that mix going forward. I think I said on previous calls that one of the reasons that capital is down from our initial forecast this year is slower drilling in the Bakken/Three Forks, which is a lot of our development program. So for a period of time, that's kind of the throttle for our capital plans. But I also mentioned, Jeff, that we'll continue to -- and we have a plan to work through Kansas and Nebraska and begin to redirect some of those resources in Oklahoma.

Jeffrey Bronchick - Cove Street Capital, LLC

Analyst · Cove Street Capital.

And maybe -- okay so what you just said was CapEx, you think all else being equal, roughly the same in 2015 and '14, roughly the same mix between real estate and oil and gas, is a reasonable estimate.

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst · Cove Street Capital.

Yes. And Jeff, we're still in the process of ticking and tying. So I'll use your words. Given what we see today that would be our estimate.

Jeffrey Bronchick - Cove Street Capital, LLC

Analyst · Cove Street Capital.

Got it. And so when you say transition from Kansas City and Nebraska, what exactly are you saying? Are you saying this is not for us and we're an exiter, we're going to leave that fallow? What does that mean?

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst · Cove Street Capital.

No, it's not to say we'll leave it fallow, Jeff. Working through Kansas and Nebraska one scenario is that we've got a nice acreage position. I don't see us trying to extend the play if there's any additionally leasing, it'll be just to block up an infill and existing locations to complete seismic blocks in the drilling, so. What I would say is that another way of saying working through is wind down. And I'm just sharing with you kind of one of those scenarios. But the level of capital there, I think, going forward will decline.

Jeffrey Bronchick - Cove Street Capital, LLC

Analyst · Cove Street Capital.

Got it. So it is a wind down i.e., no additional capital other than makes insane economic sense and you basically you're not -- you're going to be drilling -- putting less money into the drilling in this statistical play. Is that -- I just want to make sure I understand what you're saying.

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst · Cove Street Capital.

What I'm saying, Jeff, is we'll -- given the acreage that we have, we still like the returns. We think that it generates a nice return, so we'll drill up what we have. What I'm saying is we don't have any plans to extend the play any further than what we are. And I'll go back to the comment that I made, too, Jeff, that I think is important, is that as we think about our oil and gas business or 1 of the real objectives that we have is to have a very attractive cost basis in an emerging resource play that has got long life, it's got really good margins, and one that one day looks like a Bakken/Three Forks. So it's kind of back to the point that you're making earlier, to the extent that you can establish that position it's great to a heck of a lot of value.

Jeffrey Bronchick - Cove Street Capital, LLC

Analyst · Cove Street Capital.

I mean, Jim, I appreciate all your words on oil and gas and your oil and gas pricing outlook. I will -- we've written it down. But again, I'll repeat, something I've talked about before, I mean look at the first half of the call, and the real estate success you have and you're having as a result of, frankly, what you're really good at, a local knowledge, the ability to put sweat equity in, excellent footprint and that enables you to do things like Cibolo Canyon and do things like payout essentially, that's almost like -- and it's effectively a special dividend of the Cibolo proceeds with the share repurchase, all of which are terrific, fabulous things. And I shudder to think how high your stock would be if that's what you did for a living. And I look at oil and gas and by definition, and let's just assume you're an average oil and gas, that's a terrible idea for this company. And I think -- I just don't understand and I have to ask you again, the stock is $17, it's still $17, because being an oil and gas guy is really difficult even if you're good and lucky. And I just think, I can't say it out loud, you guys wake up every day thinking of how to add value. The simplest and easiest way to do it is stop and focus on your real estate and doing things like share repurchase and cleaning up your balance sheet. That's how you're going to wake up every day and make money. That's what we think about every single day when we wake up and look at Forestar. And I think a lot of shareholders feel the same way.

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst · Cove Street Capital.

Jeff, thank you for your opinion.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from David Spier with Nitor Capital.

David Spier

Analyst · Nitor Capital.

First off, I just want to say I, I mean, obviously, no surprise, share the sentiments expressed by the last caller. But on another note, is there a book value per share number at the end of Q3?

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst · Nitor Capital.

Yes, it's roughly about 17, David.

David Spier

Analyst · Nitor Capital.

So that's where we are now. And just a thought on land, almost every company I speak with, my company speaks with, in the land development business, I mean there are talks about the inherent value of developing and holding on to the commercial and retail land that surrounds their communities and their properties. It's always mentioned that there is tremendous margin in that business and more importantly, it's a -- provides an ability to generate a long-term cash flow stream that's consistent as well. So initially, with the purchase of the remaining stake in Eleven, looks like it was a sign that Forestar was realizing that this was a great play in a great way to maintain this consistent cash flow stream. But then it was mentioned that you're also planning on selling some properties at the end of the year. So I would just -- if possible, is there a way to clearly state the company strategy in regards to development of multifamily properties?

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst · Nitor Capital.

Sure, Dave. I think, we have been pretty consistent in articulating a strategy and a plan relative to multifamily and development and creating value given the sites that we have, as well as the sites that we've acquired. In the case that some of these properties, Eleven being a good example, is in a location and with future cash flow characteristics and in returns, and there is a case where some of them make good sense to hold for longer period of time. And it depends on how the economies develop around it, it could mean longer term. That's the position that -- and the strategy we've taken with Radisson downtown. I mean the value there just continues to increase. And it's got very nice cash flow return characteristics. And we think that Eleven very well could be in that same category.

David Spier

Analyst · Nitor Capital.

Understood. But the other point that I would, more or less, make is by holding on to these assets, you're continuing to build an asset base that has long-term consistent stabilized cash flow that whether the economy, the surrounding economy, the profile is great or not, it's -- it might be considered better than the risk of having to replenish these assets consistently by flipping them. So that would be the other side to make. But I'm glad to see that the investment you made in Eleven because it's a sign of that strategy. The other question is regarding the 4 acres of commercial land that was sold. Is there an idea of what the intention is for the development of that land? What is that land going to be put towards?

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst · Nitor Capital.

Dave, I believe the uses are retail. And keep in mind, when -- it's 4 acres, there's a big difference in value between a hard corner and an internal head slide [ph] when you're worried you've got commercial zoning but if I'm not mistaken it's for retail use.

David Spier

Analyst · Nitor Capital.

So then -- so let me ask you, is there not the possibility to instead of selling that land to use that land and contribute towards that project where you would hold on to a share in the development? And again, have the opportunity to generate consistent cash flow and building up an asset base, more or less, is that an option that should be considered that is possible?

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst · Nitor Capital.

Yes, that's 1 of the options that we look at, Dave, as we -- depending upon what the product is and its location, we'll consider contributing the land and the capital accounting to a venture. We've done that on a number of occasions. In some cases, you're a whole lot better off taking the value off the table and reinvesting it. So it just is -- it's very much dependent upon the financials and the circumstances. But relative to an option, that's sort of what we wanted with it, yes.

David Spier

Analyst · Nitor Capital.

The only thing I point out is then there's that, again, the reinvestment risk. And I just, I leave it at the fact that especially now with the initiatives the last few years. And then also in the earnings release, one of the -- the thing that was mentioned regarding Eleven, was that it will result in a $7.6 million balance sheet gain. And nothing was really mentioned about the actual earnings of the property, which would seem to be rather important. So it kind of gives the appearance that some of these decisions are more driven primarily by headline illustrative figures rather than actual re-returns on investment, because if you think about the last 2 initiatives, the Grow FORward initiative, the investments in oil and gas, it's almost, I could say, offhand about close to $500 million in capital that was invested. Yet this past quarter was $5.2 million in earnings. I understand it was $22 million in segment earnings but after $8.6 million in interest expense and then $5.2 million in SG&A, we're left with the current income figure. So I just think it should be considered rather than consistently having to take the reinvestment risk of building up substantial assets like companies such as the Howard Hughes, which has been very successful, look at their stock price. And it's because they maintain and hold on to their assets and they're developing a cash flow stream. And I'd just strongly mention and consider that, rather than taking the assets and having to reinvest it into things, such as oil and gas, whereas we see the cash flow is not consistent than anything but that. I appreciate it, guys.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Richard Dearnley from Longport Partners.

Richard Dearnley

Analyst

So in Kansas and Nebraska, you mentioned that the success rate is down to -- down closer to 40%. Wasn't it running around 50%?

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst

No. Richard, the long-term average has been right around 40%. There's been some variability from quarter-to-quarter. We've had highs as high as 60% on a quarterly basis, and down below 30%. But quarter in, quarter out long-term, it continues to be about 40%.

Richard Dearnley

Analyst

Be about 40%. And does it vary between Kansas and Nebraska?

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst

Most of it is driven by Nebraska. A majority of Kansas today is just production. But the lion's share of the drilling is in Nebraska.

Richard Dearnley

Analyst

I see. And my recollection is the average effective price of a well was $650,000-or-so, and it's now up to $900,000. Is that because of Nebraska?

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst

No, there's a little bit of confusion there. The cost to drill a well is around the $200,000 range, $300,000 to complete it. If you add 1.5 dry holes, which is reflective of a 40% success rate, and you totally burden a producer with calls, then it's the $800,000 to $900,000 that you see, which is the way we look at it.

Richard Dearnley

Analyst

Yes. Did that used to be in the $600,000, $700,000 range?

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst

Richard, I don't think so.

Richard Dearnley

Analyst

Then, I guess, I'm remembering wrong.

Operator

Operator

We have no further time for questions. I would now turn the call over to Mr. Jim DeCosmo for any closing remarks. Please proceed.

James M. DeCosmo

Analyst

Good. Thank you, once again, I want to thank everybody for joining us on the call this morning, and for your interest in Forestar, as well as your questions. I hope that you have a great day. Thank you.