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Q2 2017 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 8, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Q2 2017 Fossil Group Inc., Earnings Conference Call. My name is Ashley, and I'll be your operator for today's call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Eric Cerny, Investor Relations. Mr. Cerny, you may begin.

Eric M. Cerny - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us and welcome to Fossil Group's Second Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. I would like to remind you that information made available during this conference call contains forward-looking information and actual results could differ materially from those that will be projected during this call. Fossil Group's policy on forward-looking statements and additional information concerning a number of factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements is readily available in our Forms 10-K, 10-Q and 8-K reports filed with the SEC. In addition, the company assumes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as required by law. Please note that you can find a reconciliation and other information regarding non-GAAP financial measures discussed on the call in our earnings release filed on Form 8-K and in the Investors section of our website. Please note that you may listen to a live webcast or a replay of this call by visiting fossilgroup.com under the Investors section. Now, I would like to turn the call over to the company's Chairman and CEO, Kosta Kartsotis.

Kosta N. Kartsotis - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. We appreciate you joining us today. I will begin with a few prepared remarks before turning the call over to Dennis Secor, our Chief Financial Officer. Following his prepared remarks, Greg McKelvey, our Chief Strategy and Digital Officer, will join us for the Q&A. Today, we announced that Dennis Secor has decided to relocate his family back to Southern California and, therefore, will be leaving the company. We also announced today that Jeff Boyer will become our new CFO and will join the company on October 16. Jeff has been a valued member of our Board of Directors for the last 10 years and we're pleased to welcome him to this new role. And Dennis will be staying on to assist Jeff in the transition. We're grateful to Dennis for the contributions he's made over the past five years and we wish him all the best in the future. With the first half of 2017 now behind us, we believe that our traction in wearables, our significant progress in our supply chain evolution and our reduction in infrastructure costs show that we are pursuing strategies that can improve our profitability and return the company to solid growth over time. Even as we operate in a market and retail environment experiencing unprecedented disruption, we believe we are focusing on actions that can deliver solid results and returns for our shareholders over time. In our traditional watch business, we are managing through uncertainty and low visibility by focusing on optimizing our deployment of resources and on innovation. We continue to advance our New World Fossil agenda and are offsetting some of the headwinds in our business with lower expenses and margin gains. In the second quarter, the strength of our wearables product, particularly in key brands, once…

Dennis R. Secor - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Thanks, Kosta, and good afternoon, everyone. Before I provide an operational review of the quarter, let me discuss the impairment charge we've reported on today. In the quarter, we recognized a $407 million or $6.50 per share non-cash charge to impair certain intangible assets primarily related to goodwill. The impairment was triggered by the sustained compression of our market cap that occurred throughout most of the back half of the second quarter. This charge significantly impacts this quarter's operating expenses. However, it does not impact our liquidity or financial covenant calculation. I will isolate it where relevant as I discuss our overall results. Second quarter constant currency net sales decreased 12% and on a reported basis decreased 13% to $597 million. Our traditional watch business performed within our expectations, though still down compared to a year ago. During the quarter, wearables continued to positively impact the trend of our business. Overall, wearables represented roughly 9% of our sales for the quarter, a sequential improvement from the 7% in the first quarter. Our Connected business, which posted more than a 300% increase off a relatively low base last year, did not fully deliver against our ambitious goals for the quarter. Overall, our sales for the quarter were just short of our expectations. We were able to offset the shortfall in our sales goals with higher traditional gross margins as we delivered stronger cost reductions in our supply chain and managed the quarter with lower recurring expenses. Excluding the non-cash impairment, we delivered a bottom line at the top end of our expectations. We reported a net loss of $7.11 per share including $6.50 per share due to the intangible asset impairment charges. We recorded $10 million or $0.13 per share related to our New World Fossil restructuring initiatives. The decline compared…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And from KeyBanc, we have Ed Yruma.

Edward J. Yruma - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Hi, good afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking my question. And Dennis, best of luck going forward.

Dennis R. Secor - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you.

Edward J. Yruma - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst

I just want to drill down a little bit on the wearable business. You mentioned kind of productivity or not seeing the productivity levels in some new doors as being part of the shortfall. I guess how do you score kind of consumer acceptance of the current gen products? Do you think that you were impacted potentially by the forthcoming release of the next-gen product? And I guess in response to that, have retailers shifted their order plans for the back half of the year? Thanks.

Dennis R. Secor - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Yes, let me just give you some color on sort of how it's affecting the numbers and then I think Greg can add some more color. So we had, going into the year, a fairly ambitious program to drive our wearables business, recognizing that the first half of the year was largely going to be dependent upon last year's product, but not (33:00) a lot of new products coming later in the year with the full brands on the portfolio. What we've seen so far in the first half of the year, we have not seen the sell-throughs that we had anticipated. And consequently, the door expansion has not been as robust as we had anticipated going in. So we're mindful of that and we've tempered our expectations for the back half of the year. Now to support, we feel – continue to feel very good about the program going forward. We've got a lot of opportunity. We're going to end the year with 14 brands on the platform. We're going to have roughly double the door count we have. As we said in our prepared remarks, with the support of our partners, we should be increasing by 60% the amount of marketing investment that we're making to support that. So of a lot of – and Greg can talk about the improvements that we've seen in the product and the sleekness and the smaller size with a lot of improvements. But so far, for the first half, we didn't see the productivity gains that we were hoping to see.

Gregory A. McKelvey - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Yes, and I'd make two additional observations. The first is this is a matter of versus expectations. So we're a company that for the first year really had – or for the first time really are coming off of a big quarter in wearables. We've got a meaningful business. Our ability to then project and forecast what the first half of the year is going to look like with end-of-life product is proving to be where we've got a lot of work to be done there. And then sell-through is going to be a function of product, price and marketing primarily. And in all three of those dimensions, we've got a lot of learnings about end-of-life products. So at this point, we've got a product that's still too large for a female customer. We still kept the price even though a lot of – particularly on Kors, it's an end-of-life product. We kept it largely as a full-price business this year and we really pushed all of our marketing to the back half. So we, as a result, had some implications on sell-through. But on all three of those dimensions, it really sets up well for the back half, so dramatically improved product, sharp price points, some pretty incredible marketing and a lot of marketing support to go with increased distribution. So it's setting up well.

Kosta N. Kartsotis - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

And I would just add that this is the biggest product initiative we've ever had as a company. We have exciting new products across most of our brands all across the world. The products are slimmer, the battery life's better and better software, brighter screens. One thing we've clearly noticed both through our own analytics and also anecdotally is this is a female customer buying wearables. That's our customer. We're in the right place with the right brands. We do have globally our entire organization from sales and digital merchandising, design, software, development or factories, brand teams, every single part of the company has gone to every nook and cranny to distort this across our entire platform. To me, it's the most exciting product initiatives we've ever done. The most different, we do have great retail partners all over the world that are ready for this and are excited about it. We do have a lot of support from our brand partners and they're all getting behind it. We are in a position now where wearables in our basically our second year will be 14%, 15% of our company and, in some brands, 25% or more. And we're in a great position we think to change the direction of our overall risk business by adding technology. We think the best way to mitigate the declines we've had is to have a toolkit that includes both traditional watches and technology toolkit. We're in that position, so we'll be able to follow the customer wherever they go.

Edward J. Yruma - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Great. Thanks so much, guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And from Evercore ISI, we have Omar Saad.

Omar Saad - Evercore ISI

Analyst

Thanks. Good afternoon. Best of luck, Dennis. I wanted to ask about the dramatically improved product, Kosta, that you were just alluding to. Maybe can you dive into deeper details? Is it just the waterproofing and heart rate monitor and smaller battery size? And how do you communicate – how are you going to communicate? How are those marketing dollars going to be spent in the back half? How do you get that message across to consumers and really kind of turn the tide a little bit here and get some momentum in your business? More details around that and kind of the cadence of how it'll flow would be really helpful. Thank you.

Gregory A. McKelvey - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Sure. On dramatically improved product, I think sometimes the basics are what matter most here. Right now, our products are too big for female customers and female customers are our core. 70% of our traditional watch businesses is the females. Whether it's hybrids or it's display watch, they're just simply too big, both in diameter and in thickness. And that is where the single most dramatic improvement is going to be is we're just going to have a product that looks better, it feels better and allows for much better branding and design and that's in both categories. We're seeing the early effect of that on hybrids with Fossil and Skagen with the Fossil slimline. And the slim watch that we launched in April this year, same with Skagen, really good response, pretty dramatic improvement in both the female penetration of the product and the overall mix in our business, and we then are launching another hybrid that allows us to get to much smaller diameter in October and that's – both of those platforms will be driving over the next year across the majority of our brands. So you'll see pretty dramatic shift to female penetration and female-friendly product back half of this year and then all through next year. With her (38:52) display, same thing, we have a much smaller-sized 1.2-inch female display that's also dramatically thinner versus the product that's on the market right now. And that'll go across Fossil and Michael Kors. These products are already approved by Google through technical approval and are starting to ship now. So they'll be in stores pretty quickly here, so we are on track with all of those. And then as we go into next year, we'll have five brands on display this year. We will continue to push that agenda and get in many more brands as we go through next year on those same platforms.

Omar Saad - Evercore ISI

Analyst

And sorry, on the communications side, how you get the word out, how are you going to kind of change the marketing strategies to make sure you're getting to the right consumers and they understand the product and features and benefits?

Kosta N. Kartsotis - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Most of the programs and advertising are social media, influencer based, celebrity, video, we had – I think as we mentioned before, with Fossil, we had our Kristen Bell video talking about hybrids that resonated and went somewhat viral, and we have people coming to our stores asking for the Kristen Bell watch. So a lot of our efforts more than ever before are really focused on social media influencers, celebrity, mobile, and we're going to see that not just in the U.S., but global. And it's not just ours, but one of the benefits we have is our partners, our brand partners, from Kors, Armani and others have, obviously, big marketing and PR machines with a huge amount of capability, are putting behind their products that are launching in wearables, they're putting in a huge amount of effort behind it. It's going to be big in their stores and in their social media campaign. It's one of the most significant launches we've ever had as a company, if not the most, from all of our brand partners and ourselves. So it's a full court press to really communicate how these products are different and what they do, how they look different, what the functionality is. There's also a big focus now and ongoing on the software capabilities. The Kors watch has social capabilities, etcetera, that are very unique. So it's not just selling a product, but there's technology inside that enables us to engage consumers with software and new ways that they can engage with brands and new ways, it's never been done before. So we're not just selling things that show time. These are ongoing engagement tools. I think one of the examples is just you can, obviously, change your dials on the display smartwatch, and we're seeing literally millions of dial changes going on every month across consumers that have already bought the products. We do have the capability and we're doing this, of downloading new dial designs or new ideas to – the branded products that people bought either recently or some time ago. So it's not just products, but it's a full-on engagement with social media viral and other techniques including downloading right to the watch.

Gregory A. McKelvey - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

I would also -- just to reemphasize again, just the total amount of spend is up significantly and then the use of celebrity is more than ever. So you've heard Kristen Bell for Fossil, but they've got three other major celebrity influencers. Shawn Mendes was just announced as the celebrity endorser for the Emporio Armani watch and there's more to come.

Kosta N. Kartsotis - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

And we also have in Fossil – since it's unique for us to use celebrities and influencers, but we also have both Korean and some European celebrities and influencers, too, for the first time, and we're very interested in what impact that could have on our trajectory of wearables, but also on the business. So a lot of new activities going on for us.

Omar Saad - Evercore ISI

Analyst

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And from Wells Fargo, we have Ike Boruchow.

Ike Boruchow - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst

Hi, thanks for taking my question. Just sounds like you guys have done – made some improvements on the wearables, wearables on the cost side, on the margin side. Can you just tell us what the spread looks like right now between your traditional watch gross margin and your wearable gross margin and then where you think that can get to maybe as you move into next year if you continue to gain traction?

Dennis R. Secor - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Yes, sure. So we said at the beginning of the year that relative to last year on our connected products, we were in the mid-40%. And we said this year, we were taking roughly a 10 point investment in those connected margins to drive the volumes. So then that becomes a currency to work with our suppliers and really get those – leverage our – that volume and get those costs down. We did say coming out of the first quarter that we had made further progress on that than we had anticipated. The same holds true for the second quarter. We didn't share the numbers for the second quarter, but they're significantly ahead of what we had expected to be at, at this point. I think we need to, as Greg alluded, we're learning about end-of-life products and how to manage the full cycle. So we don't want to get ahead of our SKUs right now, but certainly, relative to where we had expected to be at this point, we are ahead of the game.

Gregory A. McKelvey - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Yeah, and I'd just add, we are just relentlessly pursuing getting to the point where our wearable dollar gross margin per unit are equal to traditional watch. The minute we get to that point and we're driving growth in wearables, we're in a really good spot. That's what we're moving to and believe we have line of sight to get to.

Ike Boruchow - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And next from Nomura, we have Simeon Siegel.

Simeon Avram Siegel - Instinet LLC

Analyst

Thanks. Good afternoon. I believe – I could be wrong, I believe Kors today mentioned some commentary suggesting that the wearable gains essentially plugged the gap from the traditional declines. Do you have any opinion when you think you find a bottom for the overall Kors business driven by the wearables strength? And then just thanks for the comments on the cap structure. Could you talk about any cash flow stress test you may have done regarding the liquidity and covenants looking further out into next year? Just if you can talk to the comfort you have in your capital levels as sales do continue to decline? Thank you.

Kosta N. Kartsotis - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Yes, both Kors and Fossil, where we have the most penetration in wearables, we've seen at least a 10% comp difference when we have wearables versus when we don't. So it's mitigated the declines in both Kors and Fossil. And with the significant launch that we have for the back half of the year and significant sales, the percentage of the Kors and Fossil business, for example, that is wearables, is going to be larger. And we think that over time, we can mitigate declines with wearables. I mean, we're clearly on that path and it could potentially happen by the end of this year.

Dennis R. Secor - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

With respect to the cap structure, we said on the last call, I mean, we shared some of the stress testing that we did for the third quarter on the call and the third quarter traditionally is our – the pressure point for us for a year. And I mean, generally, our cash flow is sort of moderate in the first three quarters, tend to grow in the third quarter. And then the fourth quarter, of course, is a very strong cash generation quarter. So we see that this year, continuing to play out that way. So we've done a number of stress tests on the third quarter. We still think for the full year, as we said on the call, that we can – at the upper end of our range, we can generate roughly similar levels of free cash flow this year as we did last year. Obviously, earnings will be down. We've got a little bit more structuring and there's some pressure with the higher interest rates now that we've amended our facilities. But significantly offsetting those are taxes. Our CapEx is lower and the whole management team here is really focused on working cap, optimizing our use of working capital. So that continues. As we also said last time, one of our goals is to diversify our capital structure. All of our debt right now is provided by banks and that puts us in a situation where our access to debt right now is really a function of our most recent 12 months EBITDA. So our goal is to diversify and get some additional tenor and we're working hard on that.

Simeon Avram Siegel - Instinet LLC

Analyst

Okay, thanks. And then if I could, just a quick clarification. Could you help quantify what the revenue impact to 2018 should be from the expiration of the adidas and Burberry licenses?

Dennis R. Secor - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

We haven't specifically – it's a fairly small, I mean, single-digit, low-single-digit kind of number.

Simeon Avram Siegel - Instinet LLC

Analyst

Okay, great. All right, thanks a lot, guys. Best of luck for the rest of the year.

Dennis R. Secor - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And from Jefferies, we have Randy Konik.

Randal J. Konik - Jefferies LLC

Analyst

Yes, thanks a lot. I guess a couple questions. Just can you parse out maybe the differences, if at all, between the sell-in and more importantly, the sell-through of the smart products between Fossil brand and Kors brand? I guess the reason I'm asking that is as we embark on a massive increase in SKU count and adding more and more brands, I want to try and get a thought process on how you're thinking about pricing architecture of the different brands within the smart products, but also like how do you think about inventory allocations across those brands because I want to try and get a sense of is the thirst for the technology all there or is there more of a thirst between the technology plus a certain brand or versus one versus the other, I'm trying to get some perspective on that kind of thought process right there.

Kosta N. Kartsotis - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Well, first, talking about Fossil. So where it's performing the best is in our own stores, where we have the full presentation and the full training et cetera. So we're seeing that do very well in our own stores. And I think Kors is seeing the same thing in their stores, where the absolute best presentation of the brands are. As far as how it's doing in other channels, it's doing, obviously, Kors had a higher average unit retail. Most of that's been at regular prices, sold through very well and continues to and we're expecting, with the new products coming out for fall that that will accelerate quite a bit, that's doing very well. We have, as you noticed, have been trying to test and find the right kind of tipping point, price point in Fossil. So we've done a lot of testing. Largely as we mentioned before, we're trying to get significant volume to get our cost down so we can have a much larger business. And we wanted to do this quickly. We don't want to wait a number of years. We're trying to find out and identify how we can get to scale as quick as possible so that we can both have a larger communication voice, but get these on wrist, get people talking about it. We clearly know already there's a viral aspect to this. And once people see other people wearing it and asking about it, then it will go viral. I think that that's part of it. We have seen, as we mentioned before, most of this display – most of the watch business, the wearables we're doing right now are display smartwatches. But we are seeing where we're getting more and more hybrids out there and people are talking about it…

Randal J. Konik - Jefferies LLC

Analyst

Got it. And can I ask one more follow-up? How do you think about, obviously, we're in this consumer world where consumers are expecting the next iPhone and but for ex-iPhones and ex-phones I guess, we've been – technology-based products typically tend to be deflationary in their lifecycle. So the price points go down as people expect new technology, the prices start up and then fall like a waterfall. So I guess your traditional watch business, I feel, like has been more of a stable price point business, different prices for different brands, Tory Burch versus Fossil versus Kors, et cetera. So how do you guys think about managing pricing architecture and technology obsolescence in the different platforms as we go on in different lifecycle duration for these products going forward in the smart category versus the traditional watch category, how you've managed it in the past?

Gregory A. McKelvey - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Yes, great question. Very different for each category. So for hybrids, think of this as we're just adding function to watches with beautiful designs like we have in our history and those costs are coming down dramatically, and we're actually driving them down so that the cost themselves are not much greater than a watch movement. We anticipate being there relatively soon. Think of those modules as evergreen, meaning they're not going to come in and out of the line with dramatic technology improvement year-over-year. So those are – you don't have that same obsolescence cycle. In smartwatches, you do, and that is part of the business model that we need to manage and that we're learning from. We're at a point right now where we're early enough in the technology cycle where the costs per unit are still really high. And that's what we're working our way through is getting the right sweet spot – price point to drive big volume to then set up the supply side model the way we need to. We've done that, that work and we're starting to benefit from that now and we're working through that next year. So we're feeling like the costs will come down to the point where branding and design ultimately – as commodity is increasingly commoditized, branding and design will ultimately win and drive accretive margins. And so we just got to let those costs come down. That said, we will always have this end-of-life upgrades and upgrade cycle, right. But it's a blessing and a curse. We got to manage end-of-life, but you now have a built-in upgrade cycle for the smartwatch category that we didn't have in our traditional business.

Kosta N. Kartsotis - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

I would just add, we are seeing, where we've done tests, significant demand in the off-price channel, both our own outlet stores as well as the off-price channel where we've done some tests. So there's clearly demand on that side as well.

Randal J. Konik - Jefferies LLC

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And next from Piper Jaffray, we have Erinn Murphy. Erinn E. Murphy - Piper Jaffray & Co.: Great. Thanks. Good afternoon. And Dennis, all the best.

Dennis R. Secor - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you. Erinn E. Murphy - Piper Jaffray & Co.: I had a clarification to a response you had to a prior question. I think Dennis you'd said that the plan is to double the door count for wearables by year end. Can you just quantify what the door count increase was for wearables in the first half just to give us some context there? And then I guess secondly, if I run the math on the traditional watch business in the first half, it was tracking down about 18%, 19%. What is implied in your second half guide? Thanks.

Dennis R. Secor - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Yes. So now, just to clarify, when I – we talk about doubling the door count, that's really a year-end to year-end concept. So we're going to – as we said at the end of the first half, we're at about 8,500 and we should expect to add about 3,000 doors for the – between now and the end of the year. With respect to the traditional watch trends, those trends are about where you have them pegged and our expectations are within the range of our guidance, those trends generally continue. Obviously, there's a range we have. You spotted some trends that we've gotten behind that we are expecting to see some improvement in those trends on the upper end and on the lower end, you don't see that. But generally, our view is that our expectations are that we don't see a significant fall-off between now and the end of the year in the traditional trends. Erinn E. Murphy - Piper Jaffray & Co.: Got it. So truly the acceleration, if I just look at the back half, it's coming from that incremental lift in wearables in the third and fourth quarter?

Dennis R. Secor - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

That's right. Moderate – that's the growth. If you look at the third quarter, the lower end of our guidance is somewhat aligned with what we've been doing in the first half. So the ability to improve modestly on that comes from wearables, although most of that product lands in the – toward the end of the third quarter and then the opportunity for growth is – really sits with our ability to execute the wearables strategy for the fourth quarter. Erinn E. Murphy - Piper Jaffray & Co.: Okay. Why has the uptick in the consumer electronics channel been a lot slower than you anticipated?

Kosta N. Kartsotis - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Well, part of that was, as we got into it, we learned that that channel works a little bit differently. They don't do floor sets as frequently as department stores or other stores. They tend to do it less frequently. So part of it is just that and part of it is just us not understanding how everything worked globally. But we are, over the next several months, we're adding literally thousands of more doors and including the websites, which seem to do a lot of the business on the wearable channel also. But in any case it was really just our – I think a lack of understanding exactly how that channel works, but we're catching up quick. Erinn E. Murphy - Piper Jaffray & Co.: Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And next from Telsey Advisory Group, we have Dana Telsey.

Dennis R. Secor - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Dana, you may be on mute if you're talking.

Kosta N. Kartsotis - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

We'll take next question, operator.

Operator

Operator

It looks like Dana Telsey has a second line in.

Dana Lauren Telsey - Telsey Advisory Group LLC

Analyst

Hi, can you hear me?

Dennis R. Secor - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Now, we can.

Dana Lauren Telsey - Telsey Advisory Group LLC

Analyst

Good. Best of luck Dennis.

Dennis R. Secor - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you.

Dana Lauren Telsey - Telsey Advisory Group LLC

Analyst

As you're thinking about the store footprint and wholesale exposure, what is your longer-term thoughts on what the portfolio should look like both in terms of number of stores, by outlet full price, what the wholesale exposure should look like, what should the business be comprised of? Thank you.

Dennis R. Secor - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Yeah, I mean, I would start with what you've already been seeing and what we've been investing behind and, frankly, uninvesting behind. Over the last couple of years, we have been slowing our store growth and now we are actually reducing the store count both by getting out of some stores early and investing in that and then others, letting them run a natural lease expiration. So as we look forward, I think that continues and we see a consumer continues to shop online. We've, over the last several years, invested heavily in building our omnichannel platform. So the way we see that, we see that evolution is continuing over time and that's where we're investing.

Dana Lauren Telsey - Telsey Advisory Group LLC

Analyst

Got it. And as you think about the store portfolio, both outlets and full lines, how do you think – what's the ultimate number of stores there?

Kosta N. Kartsotis - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

Well, we don't know yet, but we're working on doing some testing, for example, potentially in some smaller stores, using our CRM as a tool to capture a broader customer base. We are looking at right now just what the outlet channel looks like and how it's progressing. We have seen difficult traffic in that environment, as you can imagine over the last several months, and we're looking to see what the optimum number of stores is both in the outlet channel and the regular price and how the footprint looks based on the new reality, which is e-commerce growing very quickly and including our channels, our own e-com side, but also our partners. And of course, there is pure play globally that's impacting also that we're getting very strong traction in. So basically, I think over the next several years, everything is going to change in terms of what our footprint looks like. We obviously are penetrating the CE channel as well. So a lot of things in flux right now, and we'll see how it plays out.

Dana Lauren Telsey - Telsey Advisory Group LLC

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And there are no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to our CEO and Chairman, Kosta Kartsotis.

Kosta N. Kartsotis - Fossil Group, Inc.

Analyst

In closing, we would like to tip our hats to Dennis and to say thanks. And thanks to all of you for joining us today. Our next call will be in early November. Have a good evening.