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Q1 2025 Earnings Call· Wed, Apr 23, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for standing by. My name is Angela, and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to First Bank Earnings Conference Call First Quarter 2025. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Patrick Ryan, President and CEO. You may begin.

Patrick Ryan

Analyst

Thank you. I'd like to welcome everyone today to First Bank's first quarter 2025 earnings call. I'm joined by Andrew Hibshman, our Chief Financial Officer; Darleen Gillespie, our Chief Retail Banking Officer; and Peter Cahill, our Chief Lending Officer. Before we begin, however, Andrew will read the safe harbor statement.

Andrew Hibshman

Analyst

The following discussion may contain forward-looking statements concerning the financial condition, results of operations and business of First Bank. We caution that such statements are subject to a number of uncertainties, and actual results could differ materially. And therefore, you should not place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements we make. We may not update any forward-looking statements we make today for future events or developments. Information about risks and uncertainty are described under Item 1A Risk Factors in our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2024, filed with the FDIC. Pat, back to you.

Patrick Ryan

Analyst

Thanks, Andrew. I'd like to hit on a few highlights before turning it over to the team to provide some detail. I think in the first quarter, we saw some really nice positive trends emerge. The cost of our deposits came down 14 basis points, which drove an improvement in our net interest margin of 11 basis points. Strong loan growth of $92 million came in the areas of our strategic focus, namely asset based lending, private equity and community bank C&I lending. In fact, CREI or investor real estate loans actually came down $12 million in the quarter despite significant activity and some new production in that area. Deposit growth was decent, but did not match our loan growth. We hope to see a catch up and a reversal of that trend in the back half of this year. Our non-interest bearing deposit ratio did move up a little bit during the quarter, which was certainly nice to see. Overall, profitability remained respectable with a 1% ROA, we did see higher than normal loan growth during the quarter, which led to a larger provision for credit losses, which pushed profitability down a little bit during the quarter. A reduction in the carrying value of our New York City OREO asset by $815,000 also cut into quarterly profitability. Excluding the OREO write-down, earnings would have been in line or slightly better than prior quarters. Our newer middle market and small business lending units continued to gain scale. The asset based lending portfolio increased almost $30 million to just over $90 million in outstandings. Our private equity fund banking portfolio grew to $128 million and our small business lending group, which includes our Business Express and SBA loans grew to $91 million. Overall, key metrics remained in good position despite the challenging environment. We had a return on tangible common equity that was above 10%. Our efficiency ratio remained below 60%, and our return on average assets remained above 1%. Those are the quick highlights. And at this point, I'll turn it over to Andrew to discuss additional financial details for the Q1 results. Andrew?

Andrew Hibshman

Analyst

Thanks, Pat. For the three months ended March 31, 2025, we recorded net income of $9.4 million or $0.37 per diluted share and a 1% return on average assets. Excluding the tax affected impact of the OREO write-down we took during the quarter, EPS would have been $0.40 per share or an ROA of 1.07%. We had very strong loan growth during the quarter following a strong fourth quarter. We were up nearly $92 million or 12% annualized from the end of the fourth quarter. Over the last 12 months, loans are up approximately $244 million. Growth was also solid on the deposit side with balances up $64 million during the quarter or an annualized 8.5%, as we executed on adding and maintaining profitable relationships. That growth also included some broker deposits, which we added to support our significant loan growth during the quarter. Net interest income increased about $500,000 compared to the fourth quarter. Our net interest income was supported by margin expansion. Our net interest margin increased to 3.65% in the first quarter compared to 3.54% in the fourth quarter. Interest bearing deposit costs declined, down 18 basis points from Q4. We continue to pass -- continue to be pleased with our success in moving rates lower on a significant portion of our deposit base, while still retaining and growing balances. Deposit cost declines outpaced the decline in average loan yields, which fell by 3 basis points. The margin is also impacted by acquisition accounting accretion, which totaled $2.8 million in the first quarter of 2025 compared to $3.1 million in Q4 2024. Looking ahead, we continue to manage a well-balanced asset and liability position, which should result in continued strong net interest income generation and limited variability in the margin regardless of the Fed's actions on rates.…

Darleen Gillespie

Analyst

Thanks, Andrew. Good morning, everyone. As Pat and Andrew have mentioned, we saw a solid deposit growth during the first quarter of this year, including growth of more than $16 million in non-interest bearing customer deposits. This reflects our team's continued and outstanding ability to build and maintain deep customer relationships. This has been vital to our success in growing and retaining our core deposit funding in a hypercompetitive rate environment. Our total deposits were up $64 million or 8% from the fourth quarter of 2024, and they grew $150 million or 5% from the first quarter of 2024. Our solid growth masks another quieter success, and that is our ability to manage out some higher cost balances over the past few quarters. This has been a strategic focus, and it's nice to see and reap those benefits. You can also see that in the favorable mix shift over the past year. Non-interest bearing demand deposits have steadily grown and now comprise 17.2% of deposits, up from 15.8% a year ago. Ongoing strength in interest-bearing DDA brought that bucket up over 20%, while higher cost money market and savings dropped to 38.4% from 41.1% a year ago. Time deposits jumped this quarter by $47 million. This includes some brokered funding utilized to support our team's outstanding loan growth. And we also benefited from some higher rate customer CDs that either rolled off or into lower rates. Given the ongoing interest in high yielding products, as mentioned, we were happy to see an overall deposit cost decrease again, and this contributed to the solid expansion of our margin for the quarter. As I have mentioned in recent quarters, our branch strategy is aimed at supporting engagement in our current markets and opportunistic expansion into adjacent markets, and we continue to be…

Peter Cahill

Analyst

Thanks, Darleen. After a good fourth quarter in 2024, the lending areas had another good quarter and strong start to the year. As you've heard, loans grew $92 million in the quarter, an annualized growth rate of 12%, exceeding the growth rate in Q4 of 7%. Our plan to focus on C&I lending, which would be inclusive of owner occupied real estate, which is where we believe most of our commercial bank's deposits are continues. Pat mentioned areas within C&I that have increased. Of the new loans closed and funded in the first quarter, 81% were C&I loans. Investor real estate loans made up less than 5% of new loans funded in the period. The regional commercial banking teams in New Jersey and Pennsylvania are our largest teams and are executing on their plans to grow loans and deposits. The New Jersey team had another excellent quarter, and the Pennsylvania team has a good pipeline and is positioned to have a sound second quarter. We're depending upon our newer business units, private equity fund banking and asset based lending to be our leaders in net loan growth this year. And Pat mentioned small business banking, which includes SBA lending, which is showing very solid loan and deposit growth. We mentioned each quarter our focus on investor real estate. Late last year, we undertook a project to shift over a period of time, a greater percentage of our investor real estate loans to be managed in our investor real estate team. The goal here is an increased focus on relationship development and increased management of loan concentration levels. This helped result in a decline in the ratio of investor real estate loans to total capital from 420% a year ago to 390% at 3/31/25. The lending pipeline at the end of…

Patrick Ryan

Analyst

Thank you, Peter, and thanks, Andrew and Darleen. At this point, I think we'd like to open it up for the Q&A portion.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of Justin Crowley with Piper Sandler. Your line is now open.

Justin Crowley

Analyst

Hey, good morning.

Patrick Ryan

Analyst

Good morning, Justin.

Justin Crowley

Analyst

I wanted to start on the loan growth in the quarter, pretty strong result, and it was good to see a lot of that coming outside of Investor CRE. And I know you gave an update on the pipeline, but I just wanted to ask how you're thinking about the lending environment as we move forward here, just given some of the uncertainty. I know Peter touched on it, but maybe just some further color on more of what you're hearing from borrowers and how you think that could impact pull through rate on the loan growth side through the balance of the year?

Patrick Ryan

Analyst

Yeah. I'll hit a couple of points and then let Peter add to it. But the bottom line is a lot of, the activity is stuff that's going to happen, quite frankly, whether it's construction projects that are mid funding, right, folks aren't going to stop things that are already in process. Now you might see a slowdown in construction six, nine, 12 months from now if the economy is slow or going into recession. But over the next quarter or two, I don't think you'll see much of an impact there. And then a lot of the activity on the real estate side has to do with maturities and refinancings that need to get dealt with one way or the other. And so I don't think you'll see a real slowdown there. You might see a little bit of a slowdown in merger related financing or large CapEx purchases. But I think net-net, there won't be at least in the next quarter or two, a huge decline in loan demand overall. But we'll certainly keep an eye on that. Our bigger governor, if you will, in terms of loan production has always been making sure we can fund it with good core deposit funding. And so, we tend to turn away more than we can do anyways just based on managing our funding constraints. So I think we see lots of opportunities. And in terms of what specifically borrowers are talking about, I'll turn it over to Peter and let him share a little detail there.

Peter Cahill

Analyst

Yeah. I wish I had more detail there. I mean, the perfect example I referenced a customer that had a big equipment or machinery purchase out of China, and it was kind of a nice to have. We'll be a little bit more efficient with it. And they had a $10 million number on it, and they're just going to put it on hold. They don't need the equipment, and they're going to wait and see because in that particular case, their belief was that tariffs were in place. Other cases, folks are just waiting to see how things roll out. They don't seem that tremendously concerned. I mean, again, I don't want to say they're not concerned. They're just not in panic mode by any state. From what you read, we're still a couple of quarters away from seeing a big impact on that. And everyone is just watching it closely, hoping we get some agreements made with some of these other companies, and it becomes more and more of a non-event.

Justin Crowley

Analyst

Okay. I appreciate all that. And then just to shift a little bit just over on -- or to buybacks. You got pretty active here in the period. Just what are your thoughts moving forward with the stock trading below where activity got done in the quarter. Could we see this type of pace continue or perhaps even pick up and the event growth does come in a little bit slower through the duration of the year?

Patrick Ryan

Analyst

Yeah. It's certainly on our radar, Justin. I mean, given where the stock has been trading, had we not been in blackout for earnings, I think you would have probably seen even more activity. So definitely something we're looking at. Obviously, we're trying to balance it with organic growth goals and other constraints. But I think it's something we'll continue to have at the forefront of our radar in terms of capital management going forward, at least while the stock is trading in the current range. So...

Andrew Hibshman

Analyst

Yeah. Pat, I would just add, we disclosed this previously, but we do have an active plan right now. We've purchased 350,000 shares from that plan, but the plan was 1 million shares. So we have plenty of run room in our current plan, that plan goes through September 30. So we have room there for sure.

Justin Crowley

Analyst

Okay. Great. And then I guess just lastly, on credit. You've got pretty strong reserves here up slightly for the quarter and really above where you guys were back in the pandemic. Does it feel like the reserve is at a point where even if things got worse from an economic standpoint that you'd probably be okay. I know to a large extent, it's CECL driven, but I'm just curious your thinking on where the allowance may have to go to -- if we do dip into a recession, just given the strength of balances already.

Patrick Ryan

Analyst

Yeah. I think we feel pretty comfortable with where the allowance is on top of the on-balance sheet allowance, we still have some considerable credit marks on some of the acquired stuff, which gives us a little bit more of an off-balance sheet cushion. And so, when you look at things like our coverage ratio, meaning our allowance to our non-performers, I think in general, for banks in our area, our allowance is higher than most already. And then given that our nonperformers are lower than most other folks, our coverage ratio looks very, very strong relative to peers. So I think from that perspective, there's room to feel like, we're in a pretty good place. Andrew, I don't know if there's anything you want to add there.

Andrew Hibshman

Analyst

Yeah. I think that's right. We feel pretty good about the coverage ratio. Obviously, it would depend on the level of any economic issues or concerns and if our data changes. But right now, we're just not seeing a lot of risk in our portfolio. We think we have a fairly conservative allowance and approach right now. So, if we see something like a mild recession, I just -- I wouldn't think we need to move it significantly, but it will really depend on a lot of different factors. So it's hard to say. But we do feel good about where the level is right now.

Justin Crowley

Analyst

Okay. Got it. And then just one last one, I guess, just sticking with credit. Just on the OREO write-down in the quarter, can you remind us exactly what that is? I think you mentioned it was the New York City credit or real estate property, just the mechanics of where the mark is and the time line in terms of just getting that off the books, assuming that's the end game.

Patrick Ryan

Analyst

Yeah. No, certainly, that is the end game. This was an acquired loan from the Malvern merger that we took a pretty significant upfront credit mark against and then finalized foreclosure, moved it in and it's in a decent area. It's in the Chelsea area of New York City. It's a retail unit below some residential that I think based on prior appraisals and location, we were thinking that it was marked appropriately, even conservatively. But we've had it on the market for a little while. And based on some of the feedback we're getting and an indication from the broker, we thought it was prudent to take a little bit of an additional write-down just to make sure we're fully covered if and when the asset gets sold, which our preference would be sooner than later. So...

Justin Crowley

Analyst

Okay. Appreciate it. I’ll leave it there. Thanks so much.

Patrick Ryan

Analyst

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Manuel Navas with D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

Manuel Navas

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

Hi. Good morning. It seemed like a lot of the growth came late in the quarter. The NIM was nice expansion, but where did the NIM finish in March, like a point in time NIM? And I know you were adding funding as well. Just kind of giving a little bit more guidance around that near-term NIM given how much kind of the balance sheet changed at the end of the quarter?

Patrick Ryan

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

Yeah. I mean, I'm not sure we dug into that level, Manuel. But at the end of the day, I'm not sure, Andrew, that the loan growth all came late in the quarter. I think we saw a nice growth in each month during the quarter, and we obviously benefited from some deposits repricing during the quarter as well. So yeah, I think -- listen, I think we feel like the current level is defensible. We're not predicting it's going to necessarily move a lot higher, but I don't think we see a reason for it to come back a lot either. Obviously, it depends on what the Fed does and the shape of the yield curve and all that. But I think from our perspective, we think the current level, plus or minus, is a reasonable estimate moving forward. I don't know, Andrew, if there's anything you noticed more granular in terms of month-to-month or week-to-week that might have impacted the numbers that you wanted to mention.

Andrew Hibshman

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

Yeah. So I'd add that you're right, there was decent growth in all the months. March was our best month in terms of loan growth, but there was growth in January and February as well. We did add some of our higher cost funding towards the end of the quarter in terms of some of the broker deposits and some of the advances that we added. We're also going to see a decline in -- another decline in purchase accounting accretion as we talked about, that kind of continues to run down. So there's some headwinds and some tailwinds that we think are kind of offsetting each other with the good -- the loan growth. Obviously, that growth will trickle into the second quarter. We are going to see some of the higher cost funding that got added later in the quarter, have some strain on the margin and then the purchase accounting as well. But yeah, all things kind of getting close to offsetting each other, we think a fairly stable margin is the right kind of mark or at least in the short term.

Manuel Navas

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

What were new loan yields in the first quarter? And then, what were the brokered added at in terms of cost and how much was added on the broker side?

Andrew Hibshman

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

Peter, do you want to start with the loan yields and then I can talk about the liability.

Peter Cahill

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

Yeah. I mean I don't have the breakdown on fixed to floating, but -- or versus floating. But if we're fixing loans -- fixing the rate on loans, it's going to be typically at something like 250 (ph) over a five year T. So if that's around 4%, that would be 6.5%. I think our -- on a month-to-month basis, we do report to our Board kind of our new loans report and shows the weighted average yield. And I think we've been right in that middle 7.25% to 7.50% range as far as the yields on new loans closed, but that's going to drive the overall yield slowly or impact it slowly. So again, most of that hasn't changed in the past six months, six to nine months, again, we focus on fixed rates at 250 over, and we've been around 7.25%, 7.5% in total. Does that sound about right, Andrew?

Andrew Hibshman

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

Yeah. That's about right. I think, yes, 7.5% about is kind of the average rate of new loans. Now remember, we did a lot of C&I, which -- during the quarter, which tends to be more of the variable rate. I don't have the exact numbers as well, but some typically a little bit shorter term. But yeah, around 7.5% was the average yield on loans. And then on the liability side, the brokered side, we -- I think we added about -- broker deposits increased by about $25 million during the quarter. And those rates, typically, we've been continuing to keep -- we latter a little bit, but we're still staying on the shorter end of the curve. And typically, brokered money is falling between 4% and 4.5% in that range depending on -- if you go out a little bit further, it's a little cheaper. And if you stay short, it's closer to that 4.5% range.

Manuel Navas

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

And what's the schedule on the purchase accounting accretion expectations there?

Andrew Hibshman

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

Yeah. I think as we've mentioned before, slight declines over the next several quarters. And then once you get year 2.5, year three, it starts dropping off more significantly.

Manuel Navas

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

Okay. Great color on kind of the C&I categories and how well they're growing. I feel like I'd love to get more color on that how much bigger they could get? Like, what are they targeting? I guess you're probably still in the experimentation phase, seeing what works is kind of how you've talked about it in the past. Can you just add some perspective on how big each can get and how much growth you've already had? You went through it very quickly at the very beginning, and I don't think I caught it all. So the ABL, the PE funding, just kind of love to know what each of those categories are kind of doing.

Patrick Ryan

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

Yeah. So maybe the easiest way to think about it is current outstandings and then kind of where are we seeing it heading over the next couple of years that, ABL is sitting at $90 million right now. I think we envision that business growing to $150 million, $200 million over the next couple of years, that's not to say we would stop it there. But just to give you a sense for the opportunities for growth. Private equity is at $128 million. Similarly, we could see that business growing to $150 million to $200 million in total outstandings over the next couple of years. And on the small business and SBA side, we sell a fair portion of the SBA production. So the total outstandings probably won't grow as much there. Maybe that portfolio gets to $125 million or even up to $150 million in the next couple of years. But I think meaningful growth in each of those categories. And I think given the size of the teams that we have and the infrastructure we have at those levels, each of those business units should be contributing meaningfully to the overall profitability of the organization.

Manuel Navas

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

That's really helpful. And SBA getting to $125 million, $150 million, what is it at now? Did you get that one earlier?

Patrick Ryan

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

Let's be careful. It's not just SBA and Business Express are the two components of our small business portfolio that we're quoting here.

Manuel Navas

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

And that’s about $91 million, right?

Patrick Ryan

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

Those are -- collectively, that is at $91 million today.

Manuel Navas

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

And then, so it seems like the pipelines are still really strong. This quarter was a fantastic quarter in growth. Any kind of perspective -- there are some uncertainties. Any perspective on kind of past targets for full year growth?

Patrick Ryan

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

Well, listen, I think we talk about organic loan growth and deposit growth goals of $175 million to $200 million net. I think one quarter of $90 million, obviously, if you annualize that would put you well ahead of that target. But history shows that we can have a $90 million quarter and then we can have a flat quarter, and then we can have a $50 million quarter and things hop around a little bit. So best guess on the loan side, we probably come in a little bit ahead of the plan based on quarter one, but I wouldn't read too much into one quarter's worth of production. And similarly, on the deposit side, I think we are a little bit behind our budgeted growth plans in Q1. And so we're hoping to see some uptick in activity there, but not necessarily looking to change our overall organic goals for the year at this point.

Manuel Navas

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

That's helpful. And then on expenses, is the core rate ex the OREO impairment and some of the seasonal items kind of where I should look at for OpEx? Anything that should change it from that level?

Patrick Ryan

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

Yeah. I don't think there's anything major on the drawing board that would lead to a major push higher. Similarly, we don't have any big cost cutting campaign coming. And so I think the current level is a decent run rate. Obviously, we're always looking for opportunities to improve efficiency and save money. That being said, our goals for growth in some of these new business units require investment. And so, we expect we'll continue to do that as well. And we continue to opportunistically look for opportunities on the technology side, which I think will continue to be part of the program going forward. So I think overall levels of non-interest expense to assets are probably a good run rate to think about moving forward.

Manuel Navas

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

And just adding those branches, the branch costs, and that will be probably it in terms of increases from the current run rate?

Patrick Ryan

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

Yeah. I think that's right. Certainly, new locations cost money and there's some marketing tied to them. Sometimes what we've seen in the past is we'll open two new and maybe consolidate one of the existing into another location to help offset some of the costs. But the bigger we get, adding one branch doesn't move the needle quite as much in terms of the impact on expenses.

Manuel Navas

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

Okay. I appreciate the commentary. I’ll step back into queue.

Patrick Ryan

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

All right. Thanks, Manuel.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of David Bishop with Hovde Group. Your line is now open.

David Bishop

Analyst · Hovde Group. Your line is now open.

Hey. Good morning, gentlemen. Glad to finally get in the question queue, here. Hey, Pat. Just curious, capital is still very abundant here. I know there's obviously a lot of dislocation within the market. But prospects for M&A activity this year. I was just curious how the phone lines have been trending here. Do you think that's an opportunity to deploy capital?

Patrick Ryan

Analyst · Hovde Group. Your line is now open.

Well, I think our view on M&A is the same as it's always been, which is we keep our eyes and ears open. We have lots of conversations, most of which don't go anywhere. And ultimately, when I look at probabilities for M&A, you either need a catalyst on the sell side or you need improved valuations on the buy side. We certainly don't have the latter right now. And so really comes down to what's driving somebody to seek a partner. And based on that, is it enough to push them forward at a time when nominal prices won't look that good? Or do they want to wait it out until some hope for rebound so that the announcement looks better on paper. Those are hard questions to answer, Dave. So I think you said it well, right? There's a lot of conversation, but how much of it is going to result in actual activity. I suspect until we have a clear visibility on where the economy is headed and what's actually going to happen with the tariff discussions that M&A activity is going to stay muted is my best guess.

David Bishop

Analyst · Hovde Group. Your line is now open.

Got it. And then, Pat, as you sort of grow some of the commercial and small business segments on the C&I side, especially the private equity banking. Comfort level in terms -- I mean, I'm just curious when you're underwriting and doing the due diligence there, just curious with the comfort level and sort of the portfolio companies that sort of make up some of these private sponsor units. Just curious how you're thinking about that limiting credit exposure and credit quality degradation in a slower economy.

Patrick Ryan

Analyst · Hovde Group. Your line is now open.

Yeah. Well, listen, I can tell you, Dave, we went into these new units with a lower risk, lower yield mindset, right? So private equity fund banking is a good example, right? As we're calling on folks and developing relationships, we're making it very clear where we want to live on that spectrum. And for us, that means lower leverage situations with lower yields. But from our perspective, much better credit profile, if you will. And our mindset on credit has always been don't stretch for yield and take on risk, but do the lower-risk deals and manage overall profitability with really strong expense management. And so that mindset didn't change as we launched some of these new units. We brought that same mindset to the thought process of the teams we want to bring in and the strategies they're going to deploy. And so within ABL and private equity specifically, we've been very focused on trying to stay at the lower end of the risk curve in terms of leverage on deals and things like that. And similarly, in small business, we're constantly tweaking the model there. But within SBA, similarly, we're looking and trying to find deals that look and feel a lot closer to almost conventional in nature than our mindset in SBA has never been, hey, if the SBA will approve it, we'll do it. We just don't want to move out on the risk curve that far. And listen, candidly, that's constrained some volume on the SBA side, but we're willing to live with that rather than take the risk. So a long-winded way of saying our model within the core Community Bank business in terms of risk reward and credit hasn't changed with these newer units. So...

David Bishop

Analyst · Hovde Group. Your line is now open.

That's great color. And I guess one final question for me. It's always a battle, I know in terms of deposit rates and deposit costs. Just curious, is there a decent amount of exception-based pricing left where you can sort of lean on some relation-based pricing to continue to move deposit funding costs lower?

Patrick Ryan

Analyst · Hovde Group. Your line is now open.

Well, listen, that's a great question, right? I mean, to the extent that there is some exception-based pricing, we're regularly reviewing it and moving it down where and when we think we can. And a lot of that just becomes a function of what the other options are in the market. But I saw a chart the other day that showed the money flowing into money market and overnight funding mechanisms continues to move higher. And that's obviously a direct competitor to the bank deposit business. So until the dynamic between what folks can earn in low-risk money market fund assets and bond fund assets versus bank deposits changes, I think it's going to continue to be a struggle to push deposit costs down.

David Bishop

Analyst · Hovde Group. Your line is now open.

Got it. Appreciate the color.

Patrick Ryan

Analyst · Hovde Group. Your line is now open.

Yeah. Good pleasure.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions. I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Patrick Ryan for closing remarks.

Patrick Ryan

Analyst

Okay. Thanks, everybody. We certainly appreciate your time, your interest and your questions today, and we'll look forward to catching up with everybody when we do our earnings call at the end of the second quarter. Thanks, everyone.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.