Yes. No, I think it's a question of that portion of the fleet is not really engaged in the normal freight market that we at least compete in. It's been a long while since we've seen across 20 vessels fixed by any commercial party. I think the last one was IOC last fall. So, I think the way we measure it, it’s not the discount they have to accept, but it's more the efficiency they're able to offer. So, this is why we kind of, in our S&D model tends to cut their efficiencies in half, the minute they past 20 years. I think this -- and just to -- that question is probably coming, so I'm going to put that in there. As we proceed here, I think, yes, there is a scenario where ships will have to actually service the market for a longer period of time. And although not what we want, but we will potentially see more and more charterers having to accept 20-plus vessels as a part of their -- to service them and to get oil moved. But that can only happen when we have a firm pricing. We need earnings to get to a level where the charterers like Chevron, BP, Shell, Total and all these guys, and their vetting departments say, "Hey, okay, well-maintained the 22-year-old vessels, we can use that." But they're not going to use that until we have rates up in $100,000, $150,000, $200,000 per day, I believe.