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Freshpet, Inc. (FRPT)

Q1 2020 Earnings Call· Mon, May 4, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the Freshpet, Inc. First Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce Katie Turner for opening remarks.

Katie Turner

Analyst

Thank you. Good afternoon, and welcome to Freshpet's first quarter 2020 earnings conference call and webcast. On today's call are Billy Cyr, Chief Executive Officer; and Dick Kassar our Chief Financial Officer; Scott Morris, Chief Operating Officer; and Heather Pomerantz, EVP of Finance will also be available for Q&A. Before we begin, please remember that during the course of this call, management may make forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Federal Securities laws. These statements are based on management's current expectations and beliefs and involve risks and uncertainties, that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in these forward-looking statements. Please refer to the Company's Annual Report on Form 10-K filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Company's press release issued today for a detailed discussion of the risk that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in any forward-looking statements made today. Please note that on today's call, management will refer to a non-GAAP financial measures such as EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA among others. While the Company believes these non-GAAP financial measures provide useful information for investors. The presentation of this information is not intended to be considered in isolation or the substitute for the financial information presented in accordance with GAAP. Please refer to today's press release, for a reconciliation of the non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable measures prepared in accordance with GAAP. Finally, the Company has produced a presentation that contains many of the key metrics that will be discussed on this call. That presentation can be found on the Company's investor website. Management's commentary will not specifically refer to the presentation, rather at the summary of the results, they will discuss today. And now I'd like to turn the call over to Billy Cyr, Chief Executive Officer.

William Cyr

Analyst

Thank you, Katie, and good afternoon everyone. I'm talking with you from Bethlehem PA; Dick is at home in Manhattan; and Scott and Heather are at their homes in New Jersey. We will do our best to not trip over each other on the call. And please excuse any barking in the background. Obviously, we are in the midst of highly unusual times, so our comments will be a bit different than we would typically provide, so that we can give you a clear understanding of this unique operating environment. How we are addressing it, the opportunities and risks it creates, any assumptions underlying our guidance. We will also provide you with our quarterly metrics and analysis, including the presentation we typically provide and we'll highlight where the coronavirus crisis might be creating distortion both favorable and unfavorable. We will also share some April results where we have the data and it is relevant, in the interest of maximum transparency in this turbulent time, that will allow you to see the pantry destocking that occurred in April, following the March surge and consider the two months together for a more complete picture. To be as transparent about what is happening in this rapidly changing environment, our prepared remarks will be longer than usual. First and foremost, we view the coronavirus threat as a significant public health challenge and take our role as an essential business seriously. Being essential business gives us the privilege to stay open, but also comes with the responsibility to operate safely, limiting the spread of the coronavirus amongst our employees, their families and our communities and serving the 3 million pet parents who rely on us to feed their pets with high-quality food. I believe we are living up to these responsibilities. And in doing so,…

Dick Kassar

Analyst

Thank you, Billy and good afternoon everyone. When you consider all the disruption that occurred in quarter one, we accomplished quite a bit and deliberate strong results, which were better than what was included in our internal plan. We announced our new five by 2025 strategic plan, to add 5 million new households by 2025. We completed an equity offering that netted $252 million and renewed or renegotiated our credit agreement. We now have the capital necessary to support our growth plans through 2025 and we got all that done against the backdrop of the coronavirus crisis. As Billy indicated, quarter one net sales of $70.1 million, up 28% versus the year ago period, while many companies we report somewhat inflated results for quarter one, because of the panic driven buying in March. We think that was a very small portion of our growth. In fact, our capacity constraints limited our growth that we did not borrow much if any sales from quarter two. As Billy indicated, we began quarter two with trade inventories well below our normal operating conditions and are still rebuilding that pipeline. We expect that to catch up in quarter two, as Billy reported our April results show that happening with April sales, up greater than 30%. We invested $11.8 million in advertising in the quarter, up 17% versus year ago and consistent with our plan. We did invest in new ad once the shelter in place orders began reminding people that [indiscernible] don't know why we are home so much. They are just glad we are and that we should all take care of each other. That advertising was named one of the top 10 breakthrough ads of quarter one by Ace Metrix. Now it has more than 2,000 ads tested. Five of other ads…

William Cyr

Analyst

Thanks, Dick. As Dick said, with a strong first quarter and almost any year, that would be a Harbinger of things to come. But this is not just any year. We are all dealing with a significant amount of uncertainty in the external environment. When that happens the smartest thing to do or the control what you can control - keep your eyes wide open, adapt quickly to new information and changing circumstances, and take care of your employees, customers, suppliers and consumers. If we do these well, we will come out on the other side, stronger than we went in. And we are pretty strong when this all started. We are incredibly well positioned to succeed. We are winning brand with a strong product, an exceptional idea behind it. Growing consumer interest in less processed, more natural foods and treating our pets well. A highly capable organization is proven to be up to the challenge in front of us, and a strong balance sheet. We are extremely grateful to our teammates, who have worked so diligently under very challenging circumstances. We are also very appreciative of the work done by our customers, suppliers and their employees. We are all in this together. I'm proud of how our industry has pulled together to support each other and we remain committed to working collaboratively with them and all the federal, state and local officials who are fighting this public health crisis. And finally, we can't say enough about the work of the professionals in the medical field who're on the front lines of this fight. Our thoughts are with him all, and we hope that they have the opportunity to go home to love and affection of a dog or cat, at the end of their long days. We were deeply grateful for their service and sacrifices. That concludes our overview. We'll now be glad to take your questions, operator?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. And the interest of time, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Ken Goldman with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question.

Kenneth Goldman

Analyst

Hi, good afternoon everybody and thank you as always for all the color and the detail is very appreciated. I wanted to ask two questions. First, one of the risks, you talked about in terms of your guidance is that you're assuming that in the third quarter there is a more normal refrigerator rollout or at least some recovery there. But I think you also said that a lot of your customers are still sort of - I forget the exact phrase you used, I think you said influx and you're not getting exact sort of guidance from them as to what to expect. So just wanted to kind of take your temperature, a little bit on where, how high your confidence level is, that that fridge rollout will be as you expect in that third quarter?

William Cyr

Analyst

Ken, let me just give you a comment and Scott can probably give you a little bit more color on it. But I would say that every single day, we get more detail from customers to get more and more comfortable with their sort of return to normalcy. So for example, we've seen some customers just this week announced that they were restoring more normal store hours, initiating planogram changes and whatnot. So our assessment is based on a look, customer by customer what their current status is and what commitments that they've made to us. So I feel, pretty good that the schedule in the outline that we've given you get you to the thousand net new stores this year, is deliverable but Scott probably has a little bit more color on that.

Scott Morris

Analyst

Sure. So, I think it's - we've mentioned it in the script, I know there's a lot of information there. And as you've kind of become familiar with the company, the vast majority of the sales growth through the year is really driven by the advertising. The stores are critical, because we will obviously want to have more ACV over the course of the year, but it's about 80% of the total increase in sales over the course of the year, is really driven by the advertising piece. So the fridge piece is important, but I just want to put that in context first. The - so the other thing that we're seeing is, we know that we probably won't hit quite the number of total stores this year incremental new stores, but we're able to offset that with the second fridges. We actually feel as though we're going to - we're looking like we're going to have an incremental 500 second fridges over the course of the year, and that will overall kind of net out to a similar contribution from our kind of fridge growth over the course of the year. So, I think that's - I think important to take into consideration. And as retailers and everybody gets more comfortable with environment, we're seeing kind of the whole the planning of fridges continue to come back in, there are some extra precautions, obviously we're putting in place. And we've actually even seen a fair number of fridges installed even through this quarter, believe it or not into Q2. So we like the progress we've double checked and triple checked with some people, and I think that those second fridges will be a big offset.

William Cyr

Analyst

Ken, let me just that one other point to it is, as Scott said, we've done - we did 111 fridges through April 24. So we have a pretty good handle of what the retailers are capable of. But I think if you take a long look at what retailers are learning in this context and Scott talked about sort of how our business model develops, but a lot of the retailers were saying that this crisis is allowed in the figure out, really what are the categories, what are the segments, they want to be in, what are the businesses that make the most sense. And a lot of them are now starting to discover that Freshpet is a pretty big trip driver, high value consumer to bring in the store. So, as they think about how they're going to come out of this, I think we're actually can have a higher level of importance to the retailer than we did going into it. We are valued for our growth and for the value to shoppers, but I think people see strategic value of us - now more than they ever did before.

Kenneth Goldman

Analyst

Okay, that's helpful. I wanted to also ask, I know there is a lot of moving pieces and certainly, no one can predict the future especially right now. But you did talk about a little bit about what you're expecting between shipments and consumption for May and June. And maybe a little bit more of a balance this quarter, what numbers roughly should we be looking for as May and June go forward in terms of Nielsen Data. I just want to make sure there is no surprises on the downside, because you are talking about a very strong total shipment number for the second quarter. But maybe Nielsen might lag that at the beginning, I just wanted to get any kind of sense you can on the cadence of how that progresses from a takeaway perspective?

William Cyr

Analyst

Yes. And Ken, if you look in the investor deck that we published today, we gave the Nielsen data on Slide 17, literally all the way through data that came out as of this morning. So it's data through April 25, to give you a sense for what this looks like and what you can see is there is a big surge in the March period that everybody knows about, there is a big trough that came on the back end, but we started to seeing it come back up out of that. We don't think that we're getting back to normal right at the very beginning of May, but we wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the quarter, we're back to the run rate in terms of the growth rate that we had. And if you look at the lines on that slide, what you can see is we're headed back towards where that consumption line, this was the orange line is the consumption line on there. We're headed back in that direction and we have visibility on scanner data for key retailers, that goes one week beyond that. And we can tell you the trend continues and we feel pretty good about it. But as you think about what will actually report, remember in Q1, we had a little bit of the search, but really most of that fell into Q2. So during that trough, we got a good - we had basically refilling the inventory. And then, and we'll see a little bit that in the May window. So we think, Q2 is going to end up looking like Q1, in terms of total shipments. It's just going to have this fund this funny feeling of filling a trough first and then resuming normal consumption later in the quarter.

Kenneth Goldman

Analyst

Okay. Thanks so much.

William Cyr

Analyst

Yes.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jason English with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Jason English

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, good morning folks - good afternoon, sorry. This will happen if we work from home too long. Good morning to [indiscernible] day of the week. So a couple of quick questions. First, can you walk through the $4 million of COVID expense? I saw you excluded that this quarter, is it fair to say that the pro forma adjustment does not impact your EBITDA guidance for the year?

Dick Kassar

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

While what we've excluded $4 million to COVID expenses, we've only spent a couple of $100,000 in the first quarter. We expect to spend $2 million in the second and the balance in the third and the fourth quarter. And we are excluding that from our EBITDA - adjusted EBITDA numbers.

Jason English

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

That's right. Got it. Thank you. And you mentioned - you mentioned trade down risk and why you're not concerned about a recession is going to impact adoption of the growth, your business. Can you help point me to some of the things that give you confidence. I mean, I know last recession premium held up, but that was also in the wake of the melamine crisis, that obviously capitalized a pretty big up-trading. So, there is a lot of noise in that data set. I'd love to hear what you're looking at - that lends confidence back?

William Cyr

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Scott, you want to take that one?

Scott Morris

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. So Jason, if you look at premium pet food really over the last three recessionary periods, it's typically seen, growth really through every one of those periods. The growth may have been come-off a little bit of the top that it was at - but it typically is really grown through each one of those periods. We were very small, but we were around in '07 or '08 and that was a pretty tough. We also saw '10 or '11. And the thing that - I think we're pretty well positioned around is, we actually have obviously have a very wide range of products. And we think that one of the things that you could see is some people moving-off of some of our highest dollar per pound item, to some things that are a little bit more cost effective now. That obviously has some impact from a dollars a buying rate standpoint, but the margins are actually slightly accretive, which is one of the things that's actually been helpful this quarter, where we actually had a little bit more roll - roll [ph] business going on this quarter. So, I think historical trends have been pretty strong. We've participated and experienced some of those on Freshpet. Overall, the business has had tremendous growth, despite what's really what's going on in the marketplace. And we've been able to really grow through all kinds of adversity in the market. I mean, if it's, if it's a horrible recession, I think it could have some impact. We're watching the data literally weekly, and I won't typically share this much information, but we're looking across all different customers and we're seeing it go from the spike, the trough and it goes from single-digit to teams, the '20 to mid-20s at some of the customers that you won't expect to see quite the growth rate coming back as quickly as it has and it looks like it's responding well already. I know we're not there yet, but it looks fairly positive so far even.

William Cyr

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Jason, and I would add to that is the - if you think - as you think about our business and we've said this pretty consistently that there is a very strong loyalty to the Freshpet, once you've adopted the Freshpet how that you stick with it. So we think we have that loyalty for the existing franchise is not a price sensitive based, nobody's buying it on deal. It's the attracting new users is thing that becomes a little bit more difficult. If they are into a recessionary environment, but were still small in the total category at 3 million households or 63 million households with dogs, we're not asking everybody to change their pet food. And I apologize that was my dog barking in the background, as we promised there would be one. So - but you can imagine the - that for the, for the number of people we're trying to track it's - it is still getting from 3 million to 8 million households is our goal over the five-year period. We still think that's very doable, even if there is a little bit of an economic headwind.

Jason English

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Understood, got it. Thank you, guys. I'll pass it on.

Dick Kassar

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks, Jason.

William Cyr

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Robert Moskow with Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Robert Moskow

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Hi, thank you. I guess a couple of questions about what's going on at the plants guys - you have 11% absentee rate. Are people feeling safe to come to work? Have you tried calling up or taking surveys to see how their attitude is, because I think that's one of the biggest challenges at the meat packing plants, is that, people just don't feel safe? And then secondly that you're excluding the COVID cost this year, but is there a chance that some of those costs - spillover into next year as well? And maybe even become just a higher cost of doing business, if it means we have to have higher safety methods in place for longer? Thanks.

William Cyr

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. Rob, those are really good questions. And as we said at the beginning, it's safety of our employees is our number one priority. In terms of the first question, why is there an 11% absenteeism rate. When we talk to - when we did follow up with the employees who are chronically missing, and ask them why is there. In the vast majority of the cases it's because somebody at home, who has some underlying health issue, where they want to do everything, we can to avoid creating risk for that person. And so they view potentially going to work as possibly risk. We've also been communicating very aggressively with all of our employees, every single week, what it is that we're seeing, we're very transparent with the information, just as we are with investors were transparent with our employees about what we're seeing. And what we - what the results have been. And so far, we have no evidence of any transmission of the virus within our employee base. That doesn't mean they don't have it, that because it exists in the community, we exist in the northeastern part of United States. But we have no evidence that is transmitting and our employees seem to reinforce that. But they are - as you might imagine, part of a community where they're seeing this fairly broadly. But the absentee rate that we're seeing is one that we can manage and we've been able to keep up with demand. We had record production in February, we got into March or - March production was pretty close to where February was. And in April, we had good production. If you just look at the chart that we put in the investor deck today, on Slide 10, where we gave people what…

Robert Moskow

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Got it, and makes sense. And the second element I thought it was pretty important is, is getting into the stores to replenish the refrigerators that are running below, since the store inventory is running low. What extra steps have you needed to take to make sure that - I don't know if you're drivers or your brokers maybe it's a combination right now, can actually get into those stores to execute what they need to do?

William Cyr

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Scott, do you want to take that?

Scott Morris

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. So what we do is every - every store is on a slightly different cadence or every change on a slightly different cadence. But every couple of weeks we get a pretty full set of pictures from all the different stores, we reviewed the pictures. The lesson, we want to do with someone - send someone into the store, if we - if we don't have inventory. So we're trying to make sure that there is inventory in the warehouse, inventory in the back room and then we're actually going ahead and sending people into the store to help replenish. What we're finding is that the store personnel are just so behind, and then there are times where they're not taking as good a care of the fridges as we'd like. So those are really the steps we're working with a third-party, that we always work with, it's one of our broker partners. And a couple of other folks that we work with, that can help get us get to retail and cover. It's a pretty broad number of stores where we need to put the pressure, and assist in stocking some of those fridges.

Robert Moskow

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. There's talk in our household of getting a second dog, so we'll keep you updated, market research of one person. Thank you.

Scott Morris

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

I think, I think we see a lot of [indiscernible]. Yes, yes, a big trend. I think, if I remember correctly, there is at least one other analysts, that I think, might have gotten a puppy recently [ph].

Robert Moskow

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, it's for real. Thank you.

Scott Morris

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Yes.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Peter Benedict with Baird. Please proceed with your question

Peter Benedict

Analyst · Baird. Please proceed with your question

Hey, guys. First one, as you mentioned the Australian competitors, I think [Technical Difficulty] some of those placements, in pet specialty [Technical Difficulty].

William Cyr

Analyst · Baird. Please proceed with your question

I couldn't hear that.

Dick Kassar

Analyst · Baird. Please proceed with your question

Yes, I didn't know if it was my phone or Peters?

William Cyr

Analyst · Baird. Please proceed with your question

No, Peter, we couldn't hear your question. You kind of broke up.

Peter Benedict

Analyst · Baird. Please proceed with your question

Better now?

William Cyr

Analyst · Baird. Please proceed with your question

Try again.

Scott Morris

Analyst · Baird. Please proceed with your question

I mean, I think it was around the competitor from Australia that...

William Cyr

Analyst · Baird. Please proceed with your question

I think, he said - I think heard him say, are we buying the fridges?

Scott Morris

Analyst · Baird. Please proceed with your question

We actually are buying those fridges at amortized rate, so that we will actually end up being the owners of those fridges.

William Cyr

Analyst · Baird. Please proceed with your question

Peter, you still there?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Holland with D.A. Davidson. Please proceed with your question.

Brian Holland

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please proceed with your question.

So, I wanted to ask about the $4 million in incremental investment, specifically the advertising. So, first question would be - how much of that $4 million, is tied to advertising? And then how do you get comfortable with - obviously, we've moved back to expected starting data Kitchens 2.0, you have a surge in pet adoptions. So you've pulled the addressable market forward. And I think it makes a ton of sense to be advertising towards that. But I've been wondering as I've watched the news about this trend to pet adoptions, whether it's actually a positive for you guys or not to pull forward the addressable market while you're still a bit capacity constraints? So can you walk through the comfort with increasing the advertising spend, which is obviously the primary catalyst for incremental revenue, your ability to support that with 2.0 coming on and maybe kind of a shifting timeline of getting that on bullet?

William Cyr

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please proceed with your question.

Yes Brian, let me talk to the capacity partner and Scott will talk to you about the advertising, how, what the cadence of the advertising is going to be. But if you go back to that Slide 10 again, recognize that in March and April, we were able to ship more in the 30% ahead a year ago. I think the number we're showing there is 33% in April and 34% in March. The problem was - that you came in a surge in March and we started the year with low trade inventory, because we are tightly constrained. But remember we brought on an incremental rolls line of 24/7, back in January. We brought on capacity at Kitchen South in the middle of February. We've got that running really well. We're bringing on a second shift to Kitchen South that will be up and running by June 1. So, we're very comfortable that will have ample capacity to meet our needs. As I said on the call, the only issue is that, the Kitchen South is not capable of making our Fresh From the Kitchen product. So we could get tight on the inventory on Fresh From the Kitchen at the end of Q3, heading into Q4. But we will have more than enough capacity on the overall bag business and our roasted meals business. So it will be down to a specific item as opposed to an overall limited ability to supply the bags. But I feel very good about our ability to more than meet the needs of the bag business now - that we're - base we've been given a little bit of a breather in the month of April, to start catching up, we'll probably be fully caught up by the end of May, maybe the first week of June. And once we're there and we have that added capacity at Kitchen South, I think, we're going to be in good shape, other than a little bit of tightness on Fresh From the Kitchen. Scott, you can talk a little bit about the cadence on the advertising and why we think it's a good idea.

Scott Morris

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please proceed with your question.

So, a very wise gentlemen, remind me about the Alamo [ph] recently. Make sure to figure bullets or when you need them. And the conversation was, what we're trying to do is we're looking at trade inventory - fridges trade inventory, our inventory in our - and our ability to produce and what we've been producing and the incremental capacity that's coming - that has come online and this is continuing to come online. And we are trying to coordinate all of that, where when the advertising will start-up, just literally a week or two before, I think we're kind of getting towards more optimal in-stock levels. But keep in mind, that means that, we will still have 80% and 90% of the fridge full. What we don't want to do - and it takes advertising, a couple of weeks to continue to really build up. So we're trying to start at appropriate time it's - we're actually kind of, I would say layering into it, at this point, and we're getting a rolling start. There is a balances there, media is not only effective right now, but it's also very cost effective. So we're getting a great response to the media. But it's also very cost effective in order to run it. So, we really want to take advantage of that as much as possible, but we also don't want to drive people to fridges, that are empty. So we are coordinating all those activities, I will tell you, it's not going to be perfect in every case, but we're doing everything we can. And in addition, we're trying to put a couple of those e-commerce programs which Billy mentioned, and we have some - it's mentioned in the slide. We're putting some additional e-commerce programs in place, where if people are going to retail and they're frustrated that we're trying to help them out and make sure that they can find the product.

Brian Holland

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please proceed with your question.

Okay, thanks. And then just the last one for me. I guess with respect to these - the spike in pet adoption; what do you know at this point, about the composition of these new pet parents or maybe to the extent that they're bringing second pets into the home? But I mean this is - is this a base that's right in your wheelhouse, maybe younger consumers, smaller dogs more likely to spend at premiumized level? I understand that a lot of this maybe just too soon to know. But just curious if you have any insight or what level of engagement you might have had from new customers, even those who may not have adopted yet either through the website or any other forms?

William Cyr

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please proceed with your question.

It is a pretty broad group that seems to be adopting. I think from what we can tell so far, it looks like the group where there was a little bit more of an over-indexed, seem to be professional people for the most part. It's a unique time where their home or both of them, whether it's their home or them in their spouse home and it's a unique time for them to be able to adopt a pet, added to their family and be able to have it where they can train the dog. Everyone is home, the kids are home, the parents are home et cetera. So it's kind of a unique opportunity and I think a lot of people are taking advantage of it. I think there is going to be a lot of people that that should be will be really perfect for. The other thing we're seeing, a lot of it is not the first pet, it's actually a lot of people adding a second. And for those people, they're highly involved pet owners, typically we love to see especially smaller dogs, multiple households, is really kind of perfect right in the sweet spot of our target. So, now we got to go, tell them about Freshpet and bring them into the brand. We - it was mentioned too, but the advertising spot that we developed, which was a great job by the marketing team and our agency called home is terrific. There's actually another spot, that's going to be called delivered. And you can imagine what that's about, being launched in the very near future too. So we're really trying to be very quick and nimble to respond to what's going on in the environment. And make sure that we're not really just coming out of this, we are basically launching out of what's going on with COVID and positioning ourselves as best as we can. I'm into the future.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Rupesh Parikh with Oppenheimer. Please proceed with your question.

Rupesh Parikh

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Please proceed with your question.

Good afternoon, and thanks for taking my questions.

William Cyr

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks, Parikh.

Rupesh Parikh

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Please proceed with your question.

Just going back to, I guess - hey, Billy. I just going back to I guess new household acquisition, it's obviously it's more challenging go into grocery stores, these days. So, just curious if you guys look at new household acquisition like how important is that in-store experience that consumer senior bridge versus the efforts you do on media side - obviously media is bigger, but just want to get a sense of how it's flipped out?

William Cyr

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Please proceed with your question.

It's a good question. Rupesh, the simplest thing is to say that it's obviously, it's a combination of multiple things, advertising, creating awareness, visibility in the store, hearing about it from a friend. But if you take a look at when our advertising is on the air and when our penetration goes up, you can see they match up pretty darn close way. So we go on air, you start seeing that out the household penetration go up. And we look at - we get the data on a weekly basis, and obviously weekly is not the best indicator and there is a lag effect. But we can see pretty clearly that, advertising is the primary driver of the increases in household penetration. The next question is going to be though is, once you become aware and you want to buy it, what is your preferred way of buying it? We did include a chart in our investor deck on Slide 9, that talks about how that's changed a little bit and how there is an emerging interest in e-commerce, it's coming out of this. There is obviously was before, it's an even bigger interest and that's why we put together these programs. And it's a collection of programs that Scott referred to, that are designed to make it easier for the person who says, I really don't want to go into a store, but I want to try the Freshpet and they can find it in a variety of different ways. If you go to our website, you can see some of the options are available. So I think that, the biggest driver here is going to be the advertising, but we do need to make it available on the way in which they want to buy it.

Rupesh Parikh

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Please proceed with your question.

And - yes, go ahead.

Scott Morris

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Please proceed with your question.

And - so than - so I think that's overall exactly how the model works. It's definitely the advertising driven. Think about fridges is - we add a lot of fridges, it's a multiplier effect. And I think the two things to consider is, in the beginning of the year, the fridges that we added were very high ACV fridges, right? So they were a lot of fridges that went into Walmart. They were on - Walmart [indiscernible]. And then, the fridges we're adding or we're adding a lot of second fridges, in addition to a new fridges. For the total year - if you just, if you take away new storage for a second, just a fridges installed, we're actually going to be basically right on where our fridge number would be, with the incremental second fridges. So I think we've got that working. The second thing is how does, how does the advertising work within this environment. And again, I don't like to look at weekly data by any means, but what we've done is in addition to Nielsen, a lot of our retailers have really exceptional data where they can look at how consumers are coming into the brand. And we've been able to see, like exactly, like - when we've been advertising, how consumers are coming in. How, there was basically this big spike, which is mostly a stock up trip as Billy mentioned earlier, where there was a drop off. And then, we're actually seeing the penetration start to build in literally as of 10, 15 days ago. We can see the penetration is starting to build again, even though we're really not advertising at this point, there is some residual effect. So we'll watch it closely, as the advertising comes back on air, but the web response to the advertising has been the best we've ever seen.

Rupesh Parikh

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Please proceed with your question.

Okay, great. I'll pass the line. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Bill Chappell with SunTrust. Please proceed with your question.

William Chappell

Analyst · SunTrust. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. Thanks for squeezing me in. I guess two questions, both around guidance. On the top line, I guess, I know you're comfortable with at least $300 million in sales. But that's a lot of - a lot of room. Is that an increase you think from where we stood three months ago or decrease or too early to tell? I'm just trying to understand kind of what that means over the past three months of the environment?

Dick Kassar

Analyst · SunTrust. Please proceed with your question.

So the guidance is for greater than $310 million. And we decided to make the incremental investments to ensure that we made full use of our capacity and came north of that number. Bill, it's not as precise science as we would like and probably it's others would like, it to be as well, because it's kind of fluid environment. But our confidence level about our ability to clear the $310 million, as we've given as guidance with the programs, we put in place is, I'd say where it was beforehand. It just has taken us having to adapt to the environment in order to deliver that. Frankly, though, you have to - also remember back at the beginning of the year, we picked up the Walmart stores, the advertising was over-delivering for us. We had a real head of steam and we saw this crisis come, and it kind of slowed us down a little bit. And because consumers won't get out - go and try new things. And that's why we created this program that we're calling our breakout plan, so that you come out of it with the same momentum that you went into it. Put in place things that reflect the current environment, you spend against things that are proven to grow for us. And you come out and you just charge ahead. And we think that, that plan and the data and the metrics we've got, support that where we're in excess of $310 million for the year.

William Chappell

Analyst · SunTrust. Please proceed with your question.

So, it kind of touches my second question. And I mean, what you're saying is, you may not have gotten to that without the incremental $4 million spend and then within that $4 million, is that the right way to look at it? Are you just spending more because, talking about lower ad rates, you look to maybe some other positives, you've pushed out some - the spending that would have happened by these past few quarters to the back half? So I'm just trying to understand, is that, one is, we needed that extra $4 million hit to EBITDA to get to our sales number. And two, is it a $4 million number or is it net, is it kind of a net $4 million, there is other positives and negatives to get to that $4 million?

Dick Kassar

Analyst · SunTrust. Please proceed with your question.

Well, there was always a bunch of puts and takes in there. But if you think about it, the things that we are having delayed, the two of the things that are delayed are things that are not P&L items. The CapEx that goes with the fridges and the reduced number of new stores, that come with that, and then the new product investment, we already did all the R&D work. We created the products, we had them ready to go and they just are delayed in getting out in the market. And so, there is no P&L savings from doing those things. But there is to replace them, there is a P&L expense for getting the third-party into the stores, buying the advertising, doing some of the advertising support, that's going with the e-commerce program. So, we are in a way changing - exchanging some CapEx related items or some investments that were previously made for investments we're making this year. But your question was, would you have gotten there, the answer is, we feel a higher degree of confidence in getting there, with this new plan. We wouldn't have had to do this, if we hadn't had the retail disruption. It's just - it's very clear, we would have preferred to go the other way, but we feel very good about this plan, and we just think those other things were delayed. We will get those, retailers are telling us they believe in this category, they want it, we'll get those, we'll just get them at a later time. And so we thought it's in our best interest to grow and to use the capacity, that we have available to us and that's why we are making those investments.

William Chappell

Analyst · SunTrust. Please proceed with your question.

Okay, great. Thanks.

William Cyr

Analyst · SunTrust. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks, Bill.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Bryan Spillane with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Bryan Spillane

Analyst · Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Hi, good afternoon. It's Bryan Spillane.

William Cyr

Analyst · Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, Bryan.

Bryan Spillane

Analyst · Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

So, just one question from me. You've mentioned it a couple of times, just make - in talking about, maybe the merchandising, getting people into the store to stock the cooler. So just wasn't clear to me, we're at a stock an issue in the first quarter. And are they an issue now? And I guess what I'm trying to get at is, if they are - or your sales at all being completed [ph] right now, just by maintaining good in-stock levels in store?

William Cyr

Analyst · Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Scott, do you want to take that one?

Scott Morris

Analyst · Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. I would say, before we knew what COVID and social distancing was - our in-stock levels were being impacted unquestionably, but it really you can - you can kind of see it in, whether it's pictures or many of the ways that we track in stock levels and availability. We definitely - if we had had those products in Q1 would have been would have been a bigger number unquestionably. Your January and February would have been a bit a bigger number. On top of that, you add the COVID, the crisis that surge and being kind of low on inventory and being behind, it exacerbated the problem. And I would say fridges are the worst, right now, that we've really ever seen them. I think they're getting better from where were weeks ago. And I think they'll progressed significantly over the next two to three weeks. But they're unquestionably the worst that we've ever seen. Some people will go to another item. A lot of times people are going - once they didn't have it at this - like in a typical purchase cycle, like I didn't have it today. But I'm here - back here in two days, I'll get it then. And that's not happening right now, because people are not shopping quite as frequently in general. So they're getting - they're having overall bigger baskets, bigger shopping trips and less frequent shopping trip. So we think it's really hurting us and to be able to deliver and have the numbers where they are, I think we're feeling pretty positive. We've got to get I mean, the top of the list is we've got to get the inventory build back up. And the team is working 24/7 in order to do that. The next piece is get retail improved and [indiscernible]. And the next piece will be at the advertising into the mix and continue to kind of accelerate growth, through this quarter.

Dick Kassar

Analyst · Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Bryan, [indiscernible] metrics on that for you then. In January 8% of Freshpet users would tell you, they were having difficulty finding the item they wanted. By the second week of April, when the search it happened, it was 32% of Freshpet users. And as of this weekend, it's down to 15%. So it was not what we want it to be, it's gotten better. But we still - we still have a little bit of time to go, until we get back to a level that we feel comfortable with.

Bryan Spillane

Analyst · Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, no, that's very helpful. And then just closing the gap is a function of - I think you mentioned previously - earlier in the call, that you're bringing on some more third-party health to help with that in store merchandising. So, is that really the physical sort of aspect of closing that gap? Is that just getting those after hands in the coolers?

William Cyr

Analyst · Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

So the elements you have to do is, as Scott said, it is, you have to first build the supply. Well, now that the - we're in this trough where Nielsen Consumption for the last four weeks is up 10%, but we've been able to produce at a rent [ph] level, that is call it 30% plus above the above the year ago. We're now able to start rebuilding some of our internal supply and our customer supply. In essence, get the trade inventory, right. But it starts with getting our supply. The second is, to get the store right, to get it to a position where the retailers are able to pull the product through, they have the labor, they have the time, they can get it - get it into the fridges and that's what the incremental effort is, that we want to put in place. Because frankly the retailers are scrambling to keep up with all the increased demand, that you've got, the higher sanitation, the more needs to protect their employees and their shoppers. So we want to supplement that to get sort of pick-up the carnage that's happened and get it back to where it was like it to be, going forward. And then the third part is the consumer pantry inventory needs, to be done got into the right place. We feel pretty good about that. That's in the right place. We've gone through the trough, we would come back of out of that. So supply is getting there. It will be there in some time. And in the next, call it four weeks or so, and then the stores will be fixed in sometime in the next month or two.

Bryan Spillane

Analyst · Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Okay, great. Thanks for that color.

William Cyr

Analyst · Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Yes.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jon Andersen with William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Jon Andersen

Analyst · William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks, good afternoon everybody.

Dick Kassar

Analyst · William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Hi, Jon.

Jon Andersen

Analyst · William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, couple of quick ones. One on supply of key inputs, ingredients. Thinking here also largely of kind of some of the proteins that are important parts of your cost of goods. Can you talk broadly about both pricing and availability on the supply side? And to what extent you see this as a risk factor or potential swing factor, as you look to the kind of the full-year outlook?

William Cyr

Analyst · William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. So as you know, Jon, the biggest input we use is chicken, we price our chicken once a year. So we price it in December for the rest, for the following year. And so we have our chicken price locked. We also have gone to great lengths over the last couple of years, to build-out the base of our supply. So for every one of our suppliers, we put in place - critical suppliers who put in place a backup supplier who is capable of meeting our needs. And we've had to do that on, in some cases, we've had to go to backup suppliers, particularly in the areas of the proteins, of late. We also - with stores strong frozen protein inventory, we obviously like to use the fresh, the bulk of the time but we do keep some frozen available, in case, we end up really tight. So at this point, we haven't had any interruptions or any of our productions interrupted by the lack of availability. But we have -we've been able to keep up with it. There is going to be some pricing flexibility or pricing issues that we'll see potentially on the beef and pork. But at the same time, we have other things that we will look at, it might be an offset, which are things potentially like you could see the oil costs or energy costs that we have maybe an offset.

Jon Andersen

Analyst · William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Great. One other follow-up. On the e-commerce part of your business, I know it's a relatively modest part of your business today 3% or so, but growing rapidly as you pointed out. And with the additional interest in online purchasing, I'm just wondering how you would kind of characterize your position vis-a-vis competitors. It's different for you, because of the fresh nature of your product. But could you put any more color around maybe some of the initiatives, the efforts that you talked about where these planned prior to COVID, are they new, have they been accelerated? And then, just what you're doing to kind of make sure you capture your fair share of this - this growth because it does seem like it's more permanent. Thanks.

William Cyr

Analyst · William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Scott, you want to take that?

Scott Morris

Analyst · William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, yes. So Jon, the first thing that we did as immediately as we could, we have a fair amount of e-commerce initiatives underway. And we think about e-commerce - if you break them out into delivered in my home or picked up at Curbside. Think about Instacart from delivered to my home or Amazon Fresh or Shipt those scenarios, Fresh Direct, Peapod, et cetera. And then the other initiatives are all the click-and-collect, click-and-pick where it's Walmart, Kroger, et cetera. So, we did as much as we could to push consumers into that direction because we know it's a little bit more accessible, and that typically will come with existing shopping trips. The next thing we did was we actually implemented, what we call the DTC SOS program, where we literally from scratch. I think we decided, I'm going to say it was probably, March 10, that we wanted to put this program into place, and it's actually going to launch next week at launch on Monday, where just for a very select number of items, we're actually going to do some direct to consumer for a period of time. And because we know we have consumers that are still having trouble finding the product. So we're dealing with it, we're dealing with that piece. And then, we are also continuing to evaluate and look at other e-commerce programs through - that we can potentially deliver our products through. Now the last piece that's coming on, is we're actually going to be putting on some advertising, which I mentioned a moment ago, which is called deliver. We're all on those ads, will literally have at the end of where to buy, have a - delivered at my home or click-and-pick or click-and-collect. And it all show the logos of the retailers that have those services. So I would say that if you over the past several years, online or the direct to consumer - online delivery to home has increased dramatically. We've been able to grow through that. I think we're still confident that we can grow very well, but we also want to make sure, that we're available, anyway that consumer wants the bias and we're rapidly accelerating our work in that area.

Jon Andersen

Analyst · William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Great. Thanks so much for all the detail. Thank you.

William Cyr

Analyst · William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Okay.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our final question comes from the line of Mark Astrachan with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

William Cyr

Analyst

Mark?

Operator

Operator

Mark, please check if your line is on mute?

Mark Astrachan

Analyst

Can you guys hear me?

William Cyr

Analyst

Yes, we can.

Mark Astrachan

Analyst

Sorry about that. Good afternoon guys. I wanted to let you know by the way before, the question is, the first one, I have listening to with your customer in the room and he seems very bored, but it's [indiscernible]. On that note, so two questions, maybe sort of related. Customer acquisition costs in the current environment, maybe, Scott, how do you think about that in terms of what it looks like versus what your original expectations were? And then, as your other kind of bucket to sales growth; how do you think about buying rate in 2020, relative to what expectations were in your internal ones versus what we all had kind of thought. We think about things like rolls versus bags in terms of what you said about what you have capacity wise and then where does that come out. If you think about the average between 2020 and kind of 2025 to get to those numbers, where would we be in 2020? It would seem like we're on the lower end of that, but I just wanted to kind of walk through those puts and takes.

Scott Morris

Analyst

So on the advertising piece, we've had a couple of glimpses into this. And from what we can tell at this point, the advertising seems to be very, very, very high responses to the advertising, better response than we've ever seen. And part of that's creative, but part of it is just a lot of people watching TV and seem to be very attentive. I mean, I think that the reality is we're spending more and more time with our pets. And I think people are little bit more cognizant of it. So we've seen great, great response rates. The other thing we're seeing is that lower media cost. It looks like it could be anywhere between 10% to 15% lower media costs, which I mean that make a significant impact in how us are attaining new consumers, and what the cost per consumer acquisition is. I don't have a new number in place yet. I think it's going to be kind of another probably couple of months, until we get a really good handle on exactly where that is. I would expect that it would be neutral to potentially down, but we just don't know that at this point. So then on the buying rate piece, I think it will be interesting to kind of see how that plays out. The thing we have seen is that, although and we've watched this literally every single week. When we had that those COVID weeks, we actually saw the buying rate spike way-up because it really was stock-up, it was an incremental consumers at that point. Then we saw a drop-down. We saw penetration kind of drop-off during that kind of month of March really, and into early April. And then it looks like it's starting to kind of respond back and kind of move up on the penetration and both the buying rate piece. So, I don't know where it exactly going to be, it's mentioned that buying rate held up as well as it did, when we are bags, which are the most expensive items through Q1, have been the items that we've been the shortest on and have been really somewhat scarce quite honestly, some of our products. So I don't - go ahead.

William Cyr

Analyst

No, actually we have - no, I just going to amplify that last point. Because the thing that we were tied us on capacity and the reason we put Kitchen South in place, was our small dog. We are now back fully in supply and on the small dog item and that has been a very big driver for us a penetration and buying rate, because the consumer buys it, tends to buy it and use it as a complete replacement. And they oftentimes have multiple dogs in the household, and it's a fairly premium on a price per pound basis. So even though they don't eat as much, there is a fairly good buying rate that we get out of those households. And we are now back fully in supply, I mean, that business grew 60% last year and it was going 60% even when we are constrained. Now that we're not constrained on that item, with the Kitchens South being in place that's going to be a big contributor for us.

Mark Astrachan

Analyst

Great. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We have reached the end of the question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the call back over to management for any closing remarks.

William Cyr

Analyst

Yes, just - thank you all for your interest. Obviously, these are unusual time. So I'll leave you with one thought, dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole. And that's from Roger Caras, the pet advocate, photographer and writer. So feed them Freshpet, and their lives will be whole too. Thank you for your time.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation and have a wonderful day.