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Freshworks Inc. (FRSH)

Q4 2021 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 10, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for standing by and welcome to the Freshworks Inc.’s Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2021 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers’ presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder today's program maybe recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's program. Joon Huh, Vice President Investor Relations, please go ahead.

Joon Huh

Analyst

Thank you Jonathan. Good afternoon and welcome to Freshworks’ Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2021 Earnings Conference Call. Joining me today are Girish Mathrubootham Freshworks’ Chief Executive Officer, and Tyler Sloat Freshworks’ Chief Financial Officer. The primary purpose of today's call is to provide you with information regarding our fourth quarter and full year 2021 performance and our financial outlook for our first quarter and full year 2020. Some of our discussion and responses to your questions may contain forward-looking statements, within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements are based on Freshworks’ current expectations and estimates about its business and industry, management's beliefs and certain assumptions made about the company as of the date hereof, all of which are subject to change. These statements are subject to risks, uncertainties, and assumptions that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. For a discussion of material risks and other important factors that could affect our results, please refer to today's earnings release, our most recently filed Form 10-Q and other periodic of filings with the SEC. Freshworks assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements in order to reflect events or circumstances that may arise after the date of this presentation, except as required by law. During the course of today's call, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures, reconciliations between GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures are included in our earnings release, which is available on our Investor Relations website at ir.freshworks.com. I encourage you to visit our Investor Relations Site to access our earnings release, periodic SEC reports, a replay of today's call, or to learn more about Freshworks. And with that let me turn it over to Girish.

Girish Mathrubootham

Analyst · DJ Haynes Canaccord. Your question, please

Thanks, Joon. And hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us today as we review the Fourth Quarter and full-year 2021 highlights for Freshworks, and our priorities and guidance for this year. Q4 was another strong quarter, where revenue grew 44% to $105.5 million. This is also our first $100 million revenue quarter as a company. So we had robust renewal activity in Q4, and our new business activity is seeing positive momentum with our field sales teams, closing a number of sizable mid-market deals. We also had another good expansion quarter in Q4. It is encouraging to see that companies of all sizes are demanding Freshworks’ easy-to-use modern products that are designed with the user in mind. We accomplished a lot in 2021. We became a publicly traded company in September and ended the year with over 56,000 customers. We received industry validation from Gartner. Our flagship product Freshdesk was recognized as a visionary in the 2021 Gartner Magic Quadrant for CRM Customer Engagement Center, and Freshservice was recognized as a challenger in the ITSM Magic Quadrant. More recently, Freshservice was also recognized as a strong performer in The Forrester Wave for Enterprise Service Management. Last year, we also strengthened our board with three new independent directors, and expanded our leadership team with proven public company experience. On the people front, I'm incredibly proud of our employees for their focus and dedication as we continue to innovate, put customers first and execute as a public company. Overall, 2021 was a great year for Freshworks. Now, turning to the GTM highlights in Q4, our field sales engine performed well, driving new logo acquisition and new revenue. Our inbound motion continues to be an efficient, high-velocity go-to-market engine catering to SMB and mid-market customers. We also saw positive momentum on multi-product adoption.…

Tyler Sloat

Analyst · DJ Haynes Canaccord. Your question, please

Thanks, Girish, and thanks to all of you joining us on the webcast. As Girish mentioned earlier, we're strong finish to the year and delivered a good fourth quarter. Before diving into our financial results, I want to acknowledge all the great work in execution across all of our teams here at Freshworks over the past year. Our employees have really done a tremendous job and we would really like to thank them. So thank you. Now for today's call. I'll cover the financial results from our fourth quarter and also provide some key business trends we saw over the past year in 2021. Afterward, I'll transition to our forward-looking commentary and close with our expectations for Q1 and for the full year of 2022. As I go through our financial results, I'll focus most of my discussion around non-GAAP numbers as this better represents how we manage our business. These non-GAAP numbers exclude the impact of stock-based compensation and related expenses, payroll taxes on employee stock transactions, amortization of acquired intangibles, and other adjustments. Starting with revenue, we delivered a $105.5 million in Q4 representing strong year-over-year growth of 44% for the quarter and 49% for the full year 2021. In Q4, we continued to see healthy expansion and up-sell activity from our existing customers. The leading form of expansion continues to be driven by additional seats or agents. Our new business picked up momentum resulting in us closing more business early in the quarter, while also closing several larger mid-market type deals in the field. In terms of revenue contribution, nearly all of our revenue is subscription revenue, as our products are designed for easy on-boarding, requiring little or no implementation costs. As a result, services revenue represented less than 5% of total revenue for the full-year of…

Operator

Operator

Certainly. Ladies and gentlemen, [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from the line of DJ Haynes Canaccord. Your question, please.

DJ Haynes

Analyst · DJ Haynes Canaccord. Your question, please

Hey, thanks, guys. Girish, maybe you could start with the cross-sell execution. I'm wondering if and when you think we get to the point where the majority of expansion is driven by incremental product attach versus seat expansion? I know seat expansion has been the driver to date. And how far off do you think that potential future might be? I know you're highlighting growth being driven by higher ARPA. So I'm just curious to get some color on that front.

Girish Mathrubootham

Analyst · DJ Haynes Canaccord. Your question, please

Yeah. Thanks, DJ for the question. So from a long-term perspective we clearly see that cross-sell will continue to grow. So let me just talk about and give you some color on the multi-product adoption trends that you're seeing today. So you noticed that we mentioned that 21% of our customers use more than one product today. And that number to jog your memory was at 18% during the IPO time. So we are making steady progress and we are happy with the progress that we're making. Most of the expansion our cross-sell today is coming from the Freshdesk family of products where customers are adding new channels into their support, like chat and automation through bots. So that is where we're seeing most of this coming. And you also have to remember that two of our biggest products, Freshdesk and Freshservice, even though they do not have a natural cross-sell motion between them, we are seeing customers are buying them. So we are confident that we will keep making incremental progress in terms of this number of customers who are using more than one product. And we're happy with the way things are going. Our natural go-to-market motion, the activity that our customer success groups are doing, also results in organic seat expansion as the business grows, though that's a natural expansion act.

DJ Haynes

Analyst · DJ Haynes Canaccord. Your question, please

Yeah. Okay. And maybe as a follow-up, this is one of the questions I got a lot during their IPO roadshow was to help try and quantify the cost advantage that you have in running R&D out of Chennai. And look, I think investors look at the line item it 20% of revenue and you talked about all the products stuff and ambitions you have to do this year. I think it's a fair question. So is there any way to help investors think about that? And then as part of it, you could talk about what you're seeing in terms of wage inflation in the region.

Tyler Sloat

Analyst · DJ Haynes Canaccord. Your question, please

Yeah, DJ I'll take that one, this is Tyler. From a cost advantage perspective, so we absolutely do have an advantage because we have access to an incredibly talented pool of capital. And I think now we're regarded as one of the top companies, especially, new tech companies to work for an NDA. What it really does for us, is it allows us to be able to innovate faster, but also innovate more. So if you look at how many products we have, compared to a relatively similar company, we have a broader set of products that are all starting to get to scale. And that even though there is wage inflation I think it's global. And so we -- sure we see it in India we see it here, but we're not like any other company -- we're like every other company right now that's dealing with that, and they're clearly it's doing a cost advantage for our employee base in India as compared to similar employee bases that would be here in North America.

Girish Mathrubootham

Analyst · DJ Haynes Canaccord. Your question, please

So one point I would like to add DJ, is India is not just an R&D center for us, it's also worth noting that our entire SMB business is actually close from India, especially Chennai. So we have access to top talent pool and we're talking about sales marketing, the entire go-to-market function and we start from India. We see that also as a strategic advantage where they are able to sell to the long tail of the global SMB from our base in Chennai, so it's not just hiring.

DJ Haynes

Analyst · DJ Haynes Canaccord. Your question, please

Yeah. Good distinction and point. Thank you, guys. I appreciate the color.

Girish Mathrubootham

Analyst · DJ Haynes Canaccord. Your question, please

You bet.

DJ Haynes

Analyst · DJ Haynes Canaccord. Your question, please

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Murphy from JP Morgan. Your question, please.

Mark Murphy

Analyst · Mark Murphy from JP Morgan. Your question, please

Thank you very much. And congrats for the strong finish to the year. Now I was looking at the Q4 billings growth and it's quite solid and it's above what we would've expected. It is a tough comparison and, Girish, you did mention enclosing a number of sizable mid-market deals. So I'm curious if you could shed any light on how sizable those deals might have been and just whether you see more of those in the 2022 pipeline.

Girish Mathrubootham

Analyst · Mark Murphy from JP Morgan. Your question, please

Thanks, Mike. So I think where we are seeing these mid-market deals, what I was mentioning, were specifically in the ITSM space, they are our first service product. The same strong traction in Q4. At this point I will also like to remind everyone that our go-to-market motion is not specifically like enterprise. We don't have -- I'd like to say we the hunt for deer and rabbits, we don't hunt for elephants. So we don't have a traditional enterprise sales motion in that sense. So while we focus on mid-market, we tend to see a lot of larger companies actually come and pull us into the enterprise. So that's happening and we're also like, if you're specifically asking about demand trends, I think we are seeing both for Freshservice and Freshdesk, with customer engagement and employee engagement starting to become an area of focus for digital transformation. So we are continuing to see strong, healthy demand in both these sectors.

Mark Murphy

Analyst · Mark Murphy from JP Morgan. Your question, please

And Chris --

Girish Mathrubootham

Analyst · Mark Murphy from JP Morgan. Your question, please

Just sorry, one more point to add. Sorry. Is if you look at the number of customers who are paying us greater than $50,000, ARR, I think that's one of the metrics there, now contributing to over 40% of our ARR. We're seeing that number of customers increase 61%.

Mark Murphy

Analyst · Mark Murphy from JP Morgan. Your question, please

Okay. Yes. It's interesting to see what's happening there. So the second part of my question is, are you then -- are you steering your R&D investments for this year to support kind of ongoing shift towards that 50K, kind of band. And it sounds like you are. And then if so, what are the most important enterprise capabilities that your customers are asking you to build, because I think you had mentioned -- you were talking about chat bots. But you were also talking about integrated ITOM and sort of some other vectors of change. What is it that you are going to be investing those heavily in?

Girish Mathrubootham

Analyst · Mark Murphy from JP Morgan. Your question, please

Yeah, our top three priorities Mark for the year are obviously in the top -- in each one of those markets. In the customer service market, what we're seeing is a good trend where more and more business -- every consumer-facing business is looking to engage with customers not only through traditional channels of phone and email, but also through digital channels, whether it's Instagram or Facebook Messenger or WhatsApp in some parts of the world, or text messaging in the U.S. I think we're seeing that asset trend in our customers and we are investing in that area in our CX products specifically to help businesses actually engaged better with their customers on these digital channels. On the IT space, what we're seeing again are two trends. One is, okay, all employees are remote. Every business is looking at how do we go hybrid even if they open offices. So they have to be able to support employees working from remote locations and they also have to do more for that, like help enable their IP and DevOps teams to have cloud-first solutions. So that is where if you look at the Freshservice product, our investments are going to be around, how do we enable IT teams to offer support through Slack and Teams, and we have all the capability already and the new capability that we're adding is, how do we get into Enterprise Service Management, the ESM market as well as ITOM, where we're able to help reduce those employee requests altogether by -- going more proactive on helping engineers and DevOps teams to understand what's happening, and reduce those allowances in the first place. So those two, are definitely big priority areas. And obviously, the top priority for us, is also how do we continue to deliver on the unified customer record. So the unified view of the customer, how do we help businesses get that, so we are driving towards that and making good progress on that front as well.

Mark Murphy

Analyst · Mark Murphy from JP Morgan. Your question, please

Okay. Very clear thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Rob Oliver from Baird. Your question please.

Rob Oliver

Analyst · Rob Oliver from Baird. Your question please

Great. Thank you very much for taking my questions. Girish, I'll start with you. Just on the SMB environment, one of the things that's come across to us has just been the torrid pace of Unicorn development in India, and that pace has continued even amid choppy markets here in the U.S. to start the year. I know you called out earlier in response to I think it was DJ's question about the fact that you guys not only have your R&D team in Chennai, but also your SMB team. So just would be curious to hear from you, generally what you're seeing about SMB globally, there's a lot of crosscurrents. But it's specifically about India and a follow-up to that would be like any early momentum around the fresh stack offering, which seems particularly compelling for that group. And then I had a quick follow-up for Tyler as well.

Girish Mathrubootham

Analyst · Rob Oliver from Baird. Your question please

Sure. The general trend in India, I think that is definitely a ton of activity happening in the Startups from India, building global products from India is now a trend, and you have investors pumping in a lot of VC money. We have seen that. And it's obviously, a great thing for India. So we are definitely seeing a lot of FinTech, Dev Tools, Startups and B2B Startups coming from India, so we are obviously, like Freshstatus when we announced Freshstatus last year in our Refresh Conference I would like to remind you that Freshstatus was actually a promotional bundle for startups, a pricing and packaging bundle, which combined our Freshdesk, Freshsales, and Freshmarket products into one affordable bundle for startups, because we wanted to get startups when they were really young and get them on boarded for their front office suite, if they can get onto the Freshstat, so that was the idea. So we are seeing good early traction. We launched it in November, and we have a lot of startups using it, and we expect -- we have a full team, a startup program team, which not just for India, but globally, they are promoting the startup package where we would like to get Freshworks products into the hands of these fast-growing startups at an earlier stage.

Rob Oliver

Analyst · Rob Oliver from Baird. Your question please

Great, that's really helpful. Thanks, Girish. And then, Tyler. just for you. Appreciate the breakdown of the color on the billings growth and the variability there, but was wondering to the extent that you can provide a little bit on the cut of free cash flow thoughts relative to this year. Also very helpful the way you broke it out by quarter. Is the incremental spending there? Any color just to understand. I know that you guys have laid out some product initiatives which Girish just repeated and then the additional costs and hiring, but wondering if you could just add a little bit more color around some of the variability in that free cash flow outlook for the year. Thank you guys.

Tyler Sloat

Analyst · Rob Oliver from Baird. Your question please

Hey, Rob, thanks for the question. So yes, we kind of broke down how we are thinking about spend this year a little bit. We are really happy about the performance last year, free cash flow positive, produced some cash for the year. And we said we're going to burn about $25 million this year. There's a couple things to note there, so we broke out the quarterly spend where we said $5 million in Q1, $15 million in Q2, $5 million in Q3 in terms of burn. But then we said we'll be positive in Q4 and expect to be positive going after. And so why are we increasing spend? A couple of reasons, one--number one, we think there's a huge opportunity in front of us and part of reason to go public was to make sure that we have the resources and capital to go capture that opportunity and we said, as long as we think we can do it efficiently, we're going to do so, which we are. But there's a couple other nuances as well. So we built in number 1, the cost of being a public company. Think about D&O Insurance. Just period, that alone is pretty considerable costs will have a full-year of that. Second, we also think that some things are going to come back to pre -COVID levels in terms of travel and facilities. And we've built that expectation in as well. So if you go back to -- we now have a year-and-a-half, us along with every other company of no travel and facilities, and we think that's going to go back to pre -COVID levels there. So we built those costs and if you look at that incremental spend compared to earlier, it's really - - we are being really pretty efficient. We also have some CapEx spend that's going to happen during the year. But again, the expectations that we exit cash flow positive in Q4 and therefore going forward as well.

Rob Oliver

Analyst · Rob Oliver from Baird. Your question please

That's really helpful. Thanks, Tyler. Thanks, Girish.

Girish Mathrubootham

Analyst · Rob Oliver from Baird. Your question please

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brent Bracelin from Piper Sandler. Your question please?

Brent Bracelin

Analyst · Brent Bracelin from Piper Sandler. Your question please

Good afternoon and thanks for taking the question here. Really wanted to start out around the pipeline of opportunities and funnel looking into’22 under the context of pretty heavy sales, investments, and a buildup here over the last couple of quarters. Can you walk through maybe the ramp in headcount over the last let's say nine months? Is that now starting to contribute to a larger pipeline going into next year? And as you think about the existing sales capacity, how much more do you plan to step on the gas here, given the opportunity? I appreciate that, obviously, return to work and travel expenses will continue to inflate that line, but just trying to understand from a headcount perspective, sales capacity perspective, funnel perspective, how you're feeling heading into next year?

Tyler Sloat

Analyst · Brent Bracelin from Piper Sandler. Your question please

Sure, Brent, I'll take that one. This is Tyler. So total headcount, we ended the year just over 4,600 headcounts globally, with the majority, 4,000 of which are in India. We're investing across all of our functions. Clearly, we -- functions like G&A we want to see efficiencies, but you have to build up the infrastructure to support the global nature. We look at products in engineering. We're going to fully invest it to innovate and continue to build. But one of the areas that we are really investing is in our go-to-market presence. And you look at that, it's a couple of different areas. One driving and help to drive that PLG growth motions. A lot of that is through marketing spend and ad spend to drive the funnel for trials, which then convert to customers, primarily in the SMB side. However, a lot of that inbound also feeds our field pipeline. And then we are really focused on building out the capacity, continuing mainly still in North America and Europe, but other places around the globe. And we're doing it because we do see the demand. And we're going to do it efficiently, meaning that we want to get enough headcounts. We have quota capacity to meet that demand, and then we will always pause as we go. We don't break out the number of sales head that are quota bearing reps and things like that. But as you can imagine, we are hiring as rapidly as we can in that area.

Brent Bracelin

Analyst · Brent Bracelin from Piper Sandler. Your question please

Good color and then just as a follow-up to that, Tyler, as you think about those investments, is that converting into a pretty robust pipeline going to next year, how quickly are some of those investments converting to pipe?

Tyler Sloat

Analyst · Brent Bracelin from Piper Sandler. Your question please

I would say we like to hire when we have the pipe, and so we are hiring and we see really strong demand for our products. When we look at our Freshservice product, which is really playing squarely in the kind of mid-market enterprise space, we think there is a ton of upside there in terms of what we can go capture. And we're going to act like a lot of " enterprise " companies when you think about that, we're high -- higher, we have a pipeline coverage ratio that we want to target. And we will digest and pause right now we're -- we see spaces that we can hire to. And we're actively trying to do that.

Brent Bracelin

Analyst · Brent Bracelin from Piper Sandler. Your question please

Great. And then my last question here for maybe Girish here. What are you seeing on the competitive front? Obviously -- I apologize if this question has been asked, but all go ahead and ask it again. Are you seeing a distracted competitor, more opportunities? Maybe just touch base a little bit about the in the trenches battle right now. What do you seeing the competition do? Are they responding with price? We'd love to hear any color as you think about the competitive dynamic over the last let's say three to six months.

Girish Mathrubootham

Analyst · Brent Bracelin from Piper Sandler. Your question please

Sure. I'll take that Brent. So first thing I'd say is we're not seeing a lot of difference in the last change in the competitive landscape in the last three months. In the CX market, I think we see Zendesk and Salesforce service Cloud predominantly, and we continue to see them. As I mentioned in my talk track, one of the trends that we're seeing is smaller startups who are offering companies the ability to do conversation and support like on channels like WhatsApp or Facebook, and that's one of the areas where we are investing in. On the [Indiscernible] site, it feels really as our strongest opportunity right now, as we are seeing that we are a credible alternative to ServiceNow, and we continue to see ServiceNow and their focus is really on the large enterprise. We're squarely focused on being that mid-market alternative. And we are seeing larger customers. So we feel confident about that opportunity going forward. And in sales and marketing, I think it's still early on, but we see good validation for that story of the unified customer. We are still on the journey and we see a spot and we see all the other stand-alone CRM players as well, but as I said, it's early days for us.

Brent Bracelin

Analyst · Brent Bracelin from Piper Sandler. Your question please

Well, great to hear and thanks for the color. Thank you.

Girish Mathrubootham

Analyst · Brent Bracelin from Piper Sandler. Your question please

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Stan Zlotsky from Morgan Stanley. Your question please?

Ryan Bressner

Analyst · Stan Zlotsky from Morgan Stanley. Your question please

Hi, you have Ryan Bressner for Stan Zlotsky here. Just wondering if you ask a quick question on maybe to break down of ARR byproduct or just maybe some additional color on how those have been trending and how it can be above growth rates at the end of 2022?

Tyler Sloat

Analyst · Stan Zlotsky from Morgan Stanley. Your question please

Hey, Ryan. This is Tyler. Thanks for the question. We actually -- we don't break down the air of byproducts right now. What we have said in the past is that our Freshdesk product is over 200 and our Freshservice product is over 100. This is something that if we plan to do in Analyst Day later this year, which we're contemplating that's a candidate, right, for what we will talk about and give more detail. But right now, we're not breaking down the air of byproduct. They're all -- what I can say, what we have also said in the past is that our Freshservice product, we talk about it's smaller than Freshdesk, but it's growing faster. It's great opportunity. Freshdesk is really doing well. We talked about the cross-sell motion and how a lot of that's being driven from a lot of our customers adopting omni-channel as they want different methods of communication with their customers. And then we've mentioned that our Freshmarket and sales product is still relatively new, but we're excited about the opportunity there.

Ryan Bressner

Analyst · Stan Zlotsky from Morgan Stanley. Your question please

Thank you for taking my question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Alex Zukin from Wolfe Research. Your question, please.

Alex Zukin

Analyst · Alex Zukin from Wolfe Research. Your question, please

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I guess maybe just the first one for -- may ask maybe two or three. The follow up on the cross-sell opportunity, you mentioned 21% of customers have more than one product versus 18% at the IPO, Girish, actually. How much of that is from customers landing with more than one product versus existing customers upgrading or expanding their deployments to multiple products? And more importantly, how do we think about that dynamic going forward for next year and the impact on NRR?

Tyler Sloat

Analyst · Alex Zukin from Wolfe Research. Your question, please

Hey, Alex. This Tyler. It's actually coming from both. We are seeing customers when they're landing that they are choosing omnichannel as the main land, which is as opposed to just a pure desk solution that they want all the capabilities, specifically messaging, which Girish has talked about just in terms of a thesis of what a lot of the new modern day kind of communication with the next-generation of customers is going to be. And so that's following what we've forecasted and we think that will continue. In terms of the other cross-sell motions like we've talked about, it's still early, but the motion between our marketing sales product to desk, we think that's going to be a natural motion going forward. And that's really going to be kind of down the road that's about the vision of this unified customer record and the value that we can provide to our customers with them being, if we have all this information around this 360 view of their customer. So we're excited about that, but it's still pretty early.

Alex Zukin

Analyst · Alex Zukin from Wolfe Research. Your question, please

Got it. And then I guess given this is the first kind of look at next year as a public company, obviously, a lot of people asked about billings, look at billings, there's a lot of volatility, variability in these -- in your numbers quarter-to-quarter, there's also a number of adjustments. I know you're not guiding there, but how do we think about the -- how do we think about the flow and the seasonality for the year with respect to billings? Do we compare to this year, prior year? Is there a good rule of thumb? Just given you have two COVID impacted years, if you will, with respect to that metric?

Tyler Sloat

Analyst · Alex Zukin from Wolfe Research. Your question, please

Yeah. I think in general revenue -- so in general we would expect billings to track revenue growth and there's nuances and we called out some of the nuances from Q4 because we know that everybody tracks billings and looks at it. We did talk about growth this year that we think it's going to be impacted negatively by FX, by 1% for Q1 and for the full year. And also Q1 and Q2, just in terms of comparisons to prior year. A pretty tough comparison for us this year. The prior year benefited from a weak COVID year, the year before so those growth rates looks great. And then so I think we're going to have just tougher compare in our Q1 and Q2. That being said, we think we're doing really well and we're super excited about the opportunity here. And the way we think about guidance is, we have a lot of visibility kind of into Q1, and then it gets less and less and we're just trying to guide to what we see. And then obviously we're going to update it as we go along.

Alex Zukin

Analyst · Alex Zukin from Wolfe Research. Your question, please

Got it perfect. Thanks a lot Tyler.

Tyler Sloat

Analyst · Alex Zukin from Wolfe Research. Your question, please

You better.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Once again ladies and gentlemen [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Brent Thill from Jeffries. Your question, please.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Brent Thill from Jeffries. Your question, please

Hi. This is [Indiscernible] on for Brent Thill. Thank you for taking my question. Wanted to maybe ask first to Girish, one of the things we hear from investors is about the pull forward in demand for the front office update in 2021. Maybe could you talk a little bit about how you look -- how you think about demand expectations for next year? And is there any pull forward in the markets that you operated?

Girish Mathrubootham

Analyst · Brent Thill from Jeffries. Your question, please

Hey. Thanks for the question, [Indiscernible]. We have heard about some reports talking about pull-forward in demand, but we have not actually noticed a big change in demand or experienced a pull-forward at Freshworks. In fact, we actually see a healthy demand environment and we are focused on capturing that, especially in the mid-market. We -- in Q4, we saw strong demand signals for Freshservice in particular. And more than anything, the demand trend that we are seeing as companies get out of the pandemic and COVID, we're thinking that -- employees are starting to get back, but companies still have to deal with remote and every business now has to engage with customers on multiple channels. Online customer buying patterns are here to stay. We see this as an acceleration of business transformation and that's going to continue both in customer engagement and employee engagement. So that's what we believe gives us this massive opportunity to keep going.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Brent Thill from Jeffries. Your question, please

Got it. And maybe one question for Tyler, if I may, Tyler thank you for the commentary on the churn rates improving. How should we think about the pathway forward for net retention? Are you still thinking of a 110 to low teens even as we roll into next year? Or should we expect the improvements in churn to translate into higher net retention?

Tyler Sloat

Analyst · Brent Thill from Jeffries. Your question, please

Hey, thanks for the question. We went public we said, "Hey, we want to be thought of as 110 to low teens, " and net dollar retention is obviously higher at that time. But we said it's going to come down. Actually, we're really pleased with the progress we've made. I think we gave some color. We're at 114%, but that included 1% impact from FX, it would've been 115%, in the last quarter had a positive impact and so really just moved 1%. Churn being half of it, where we have previously talked about kind of being a low 20s, to high teens in terms of churn and now we're solidly in the high teens. We're not ready to say, hey, you should model out more than the 110 to low teens in terms of net dollar retention run rate. But things are going in the right direction and we feel really good about. We've made some great progress in terms of churn. Our Freshdesk product had the best churn quarters ever had. Freshservice was already at great churn levels and the investments we made and the customer success group over the last year, are truly starting to pay off. And so we'll update that as we think you guys should be modeling something different, but it feels really good right now.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Brent Thill from Jeffries. Your question, please

Got it. Perfect. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Natalie Hall from Bank of America Securities. Your question, please.

Brad Sills

Analyst · Natalie Hall from Bank of America Securities. Your question, please

Hey, guys. This is Brad Sills from BofA Securities. Thanks so much for taking the question. I wanted to ask about Freshsales. I recall a pretty good user base on the free version. I know it's still early. It's not material to ARR at the time of IPO. Just curious, when might we see those conversions perhaps contributing more material to revenue? Is it this year or should we thinking further out? Thanks so much.

Girish Mathrubootham

Analyst · Natalie Hall from Bank of America Securities. Your question, please

Thanks for the question, Brad. And so let me clarify that Freshsales, this is the first full-year of the re-architected new Freshsales product, where we actually unified marketing sales, chat, and telephone into one platform with a unified customer record. So the numbers that we put out in the IPO, the number of customers using Freshsales that actually paying customers is not free customers. So -- but we still feel that it's early years. We are extremely happy with the validation that we're getting from customers who are seeing the value of this unified product. And as Tyler mentioned earlier, later this year, we are contemplating an Analyst Day and I think that will be the right time where we'll probably be ready to break out the customer numbers and hopefully revenue on the Freshsales product as well. But as we all know, CRM is a massive market and we're super-excited about this opportunity.

Brad Sills

Analyst · Natalie Hall from Bank of America Securities. Your question, please

That's great to hear. Thanks so much Girish, and then one more if I may on the churn commentary, I think Tyler, you'd alluded to some progress you've made with this investment and customer success. Could you just elaborate a little bit more there, and what drove the improvement there? Thanks again.

Tyler Sloat

Analyst · Natalie Hall from Bank of America Securities. Your question, please

Yeah. We -- I think we had mentioned earlier that we made a lot of investments over the last year under Patty, our Chief Executive Officer in a customer success group. And so when you look at that team, and the engagement model that we've created for our customers combined with all of the innovation that we came out with the last year, right? We now have a mechanism to have that engagement and then the feedback loop on feature functionality that our customers need, and then with our pace of innovation to really put out stuff into the products that our customers want, and that is bearing fruit, right? So they're staying with us, and then once -- what we know about our customer base is, when they stay, they tend to grow. And you saw that in the cohort analysis that we had in the S1. So we potentially can get a double impact from it. And it feels good. Right? We've made a lot of progress and we still have a long way to go. But definitely on the right trajectory there.

Brad Sills

Analyst · Natalie Hall from Bank of America Securities. Your question, please

Thanks so much, Tyler.

Tyler Sloat

Analyst · Natalie Hall from Bank of America Securities. Your question, please

You bet, Brad. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Raimo Lenschow from Barclays. Your question please?

Raimo Lenschow

Analyst · Raimo Lenschow from Barclays. Your question please

Hi. Thanks for squeezing me in and congrats from me as well. Two questions. One for Tyler. How do you -- maybe could you remind us how you're handling currency because you obviously have a lot more international exposure than some of the other players and we're starting to see an impact that you need to manage. Talk a little bit about how you're handling in terms of hedging, how your pricing works, etc. And maybe it's we're almost thinking about constant currency breaking it out rather than you having to do it for us. And then Girish, one for you. If you think about ITSM, one of the things that the ServiceNow guys have done is obviously a lot of automation on that enterprise level. How do you think about automation on the SMB side? Would that be an overkill or would be -- that be like an extra selling opportunity as you go along in the future with your product development? Thank you.

Girish Mathrubootham

Analyst · Raimo Lenschow from Barclays. Your question please

Hey, Raimo, why don't I take the ITSM product question first? Because it's more interesting.

Raimo Lenschow

Analyst · Raimo Lenschow from Barclays. Your question please

Yeah. Fair enough.

Girish Mathrubootham

Analyst · Raimo Lenschow from Barclays. Your question please

One thing, it's important to clarify is after service product the customer base is inherently more mid-market. It's not necessarily SMB, because you have to understand that even if you're selling a 10 seat license. We're talking about a company with thousand employees, right? Or maybe 500, 750, 1000 employees. So the Freshservice product has a very interesting dynamic, where we don't have a lot of really small companies. These are smaller teams, the IT team is a bit small, but in mid-market companies. And the way we are able to build automation is -- so we have an orchestration layer built into the product, which actually handles a ton of this automation. So this is like a drag-and-drop interface similar to a low-code/no-code, where frequent runbook automation tasks are spinning off, new cloud incentives are, let's say, creating a ticket if there is a lot in the marketing system. A lot of that IT automation capabilities are natively built in Freshservice and our mid-market customers actually like us. And that's what makes us a credible alternative to ServiceNow.

Raimo Lenschow

Analyst · Raimo Lenschow from Barclays. Your question please

Yes.

Tyler Sloat

Analyst · Raimo Lenschow from Barclays. Your question please

I will take the currency one. So yes, we do have some currency impact. We've got about 32% of our ARR that's in non-USD currencies. So you asked, what are we doing about it? Number 1, thinking about constant currency. We have discussed that internally, so we might be presenting numbers like that. We're obviously not doing it right now. And then we are also looking at putting some hedging programs in place that would kind of mitigate risk and just kind of smooth things out. And so both of those options we're looking at right now. As you can see, we are trying to be as transparent as possible with numbers right now based on the impact and clinically put in hedging it will solve some of that, but it takes a little while to put in those structures. So until we do that, we would try to continue that transparency.

Raimo Lenschow

Analyst · Raimo Lenschow from Barclays. Your question please

Perfect. Thank you very much. Congrats.

Girish Mathrubootham

Analyst · Raimo Lenschow from Barclays. Your question please

Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Peterson from Raymond James. Your question, please?

Chase Donovan

Analyst · Brian Peterson from Raymond James. Your question, please

Hi, guys. This is Chase Donovan on for Brian Peterson. Just had one on the ITOM product launch. You guys launched it back in November, but you highlighted the power screws in that -- your prepared remarks. Just curious on any broad feedback that you've heard from customers early on. And then can you help the investors frame the opportunity there? How do we think about potential upsell opportunity to the almost 9,000 Freshservice customers that you have today? Thanks.

Girish Mathrubootham

Analyst · Brian Peterson from Raymond James. Your question, please

So on the -- thanks for the question, Chase.

Tyler Sloat

Analyst · Brian Peterson from Raymond James. Your question, please

Yeah. Get that name right.

Girish Mathrubootham

Analyst · Brian Peterson from Raymond James. Your question, please

So on the item functionality, the first thing is we actually started building ITOM after hearing from our customers on why they thought it made sense to be in the Freshservice product. So they were all using other third party tools and they felt it would make a great value addition. So this was actually built in partnership with some of our customers. So just to clarify what are the capabilities that we have released. So in fact we have unified incident response management with on-call scheduling and automated other grouping which is powered through our AOPS. So basically what it helps is, most IT teams instead of reacting to customers’ complaints about what's not working, we're helping them really get proactive by understanding all the alerts that are coming in from the monitoring system, but takeout the false positives, really help them understand what's going on and be proactive. This is like a super value add to IT teams. And our customer -- we are hearing encouraging reports from our customers, like PowerSchool. And I think we definitely think this is going to -- we'll be able to take this module as an add-on to all of our existing customers, as well as land new teams with Freshservice.

Chase Donovan

Analyst · Brian Peterson from Raymond James. Your question, please

Perfect. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Scott Berg from Needham. Your question please?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Scott Berg from Needham. Your question please

Hey, everybody. This is John on for Scott. Appreciate you taking my question and congrats on the quarter. Just curious if you could provide some additional color on to what extent that Freshservice product is influenced by the inbounds kind of PLG motion versus the outbound efforts. And are you seeing an evolution around who the actual buyer is with this product at all? And then second, as you expand on the capabilities of this platform, how do you think about packaging that going forward? Thank you very much.

Girish Mathrubootham

Analyst · Scott Berg from Needham. Your question please

So I think Freshservice pretty much follows the rest of all our products in terms of it also gets a ton of inbound leads and we have an outbound field team, which is actually generating mid-market lease. So the customer profile is more mid-market for Freshservice, but from a lead gen standpoint, we actually have both inbound or I should say inbound, outbound, and partner generated leads. And so from a -- how are we packaging ITOM standpoint? I think currently, we are having it as an add-on module that people like -- because this is bringing additional users into the system who in an ITSM system, the DevOps folks or the engineers will not actually be added. This is being offered as an asset management add-on with a per agent licensing, but this will be additive in the number of users from other teams that it is bringing.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Scott Berg from Needham. Your question please

Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And this does conclude the question and answer session of today's program. Thank you ladies and gentlemen for your participation. You may now disconnect. Everyone have a great day.

Girish Mathrubootham

Analyst · DJ Haynes Canaccord. Your question, please

Thank you, everybody.