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Q2 2024 Earnings Call· Wed, Jul 31, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good day, everyone. And thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Freshworks Second Quarter 2024 Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator instructions]. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I will hand the call over to the Head of Investor Relations, Joon Huh. Please proceed. Joon Huh Thank you. Good afternoon and welcome to Freshworks second quarter 2024 earnings conference call. Joining me today are Dennis Woodside, Freshworks' Chief Executive Officer and President, and Tyler Sloat, Freshworks' Chief Financial Officer. The primary purpose of today's call is to provide you with information regarding our second quarter 2024 performance and our financial outlook for our third quarter and full year 2024. Some of our discussion and responses to your questions may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform act of 1995. These forward-looking statements are based on Freshworks' current expectations and estimates about its business and industry, including our financial outlook, macroeconomic uncertainties, management's beliefs and certain other assumptions made by the company, all of which are subject to change. These statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and assumptions that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. Such risks include, but are not limited to, our ability to sustain our growth, to innovate, to reach our long term revenue goals, to meet customer demand, and to control costs and improve operating efficiency. For a discussion of additional material risks and other important factors that could affect our results, please refer to today's earnings release, our most recently filed Form 10-K, and our other periodic filings with SEC. Freshworks assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements in order to reflect events or circumstances that may arise after the date of this call, except as required by law. During the course of today's call, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations between GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures for historical periods are included in our earnings release, which is available on our Investor Relations website at ir.freshworks.com. I encourage you to visit our Investor Relations site to access our earnings release supplemental earnings slides, periodic SEC reports, a replay of today's call, or to learn more about Freshworks. And with that, let me turn it over to Dennis.

Dennis Woodside

Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Joon. And thank you everyone for joining us on the call today. I'm pleased with our results this quarter, which demonstrated continued growth, financial discipline, and innovation. We are well positioned for the expansive opportunities that are in front of us. In Q2, we delivered results that met or exceeded each of our previously provided financial estimates. We grew revenue to $174.1 million and delivered another quarter of strong free cash flow of $32.8 million, resulting in a free cash flow margin of 19%. This represents more than 600 basis points of year-over-year margin improvement and is reflective of our increasing operating leverage and discipline. We also welcomed notable customers into the Freshworks community, including Kayak, Davidson Kempner Capital Management, Paul Smith UK, and many others. Lastly, we completed the strategic acquisition of Device42, which adds advanced ITAM capabilities to our Freshworks solution in early June. During my first quarter as our CEO, I spent extensive time in India with our product and engineering teams, digging into our product roadmap and upcoming anticipated innovations. I also met with customers, partners, and other key stakeholders in New York, Boston, Chennai, and Bangalore, gathering feedback and better understanding what we do well and what we can do better. From those conversations, it's clear that customers are making buying decisions based on four criteria. First, they want to automate workflows with AI to increase efficiency across IT, customer support, sales, marketing, and beyond. Second, they want uncomplicated solutions that are simple to implement and to own. Third, they want to see rapid impact of their investments. And fourth, they want the flexibility of a platform they can modify and scale over time. Freshworks meets those needs. In addition to these external meetings, we've conducted our annual strategic review of the business with…

Tyler Sloat

Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Dennis. And thanks to all of you joining on the call and via webcast. As Dennis mentioned earlier, we met or exceeded our key financial estimates in Q2, even without the Device42 results. Now with the addition of Device42 as part of the Freshworks family, we're excited to go after a broader set of customers in the mid-market and enterprise. We are sharpening our strategic focus to lead with the IT and employee experience business as we see strong customer demand and more attractive opportunities for this part of the business. We plan to fuel additional growth and better capitalize on the huge IT opportunity and other adjacent markets. At the same time, we're maintaining our focus to drive operational efficiencies that we expect will lead to durable and profitable growth in the business over time. For our call today, I'll cover the Q2 2024 financial results, provide background on the key metrics, and close with our forward-looking commentary and expectations for Q3 and the full year 2024. I'll include constant currency comparisons for certain metrics to provide a better view of our business trends. As a reminder, we closed the Device42 acquisition on June 6, so our Q2 numbers include partial Device42 results for the quarter. Where there is meaningful contribution from the acquisition, I will break out specific metrics on a one-time basis to help provide a better understanding into our business performance. Most of our discussion will be focused on non-GAAP financial results, which exclude the impact of stock-based compensation expenses and other adjustments. Starting with the income statement, total revenue in Q2 increased to $174.1 million, growing 20% for both as reported and on a constant currency basis. Professional services revenue contributed $2.5 million for the quarter, which was similar to Q1, as we continue…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. One moment for our first question. And it comes from the line of Brent Bracelin with Piper Sandler.

Brent Bracelin

Analyst · Piper Sandler

Great to see the IT and employee experience business, now the largest segment. Dennis, for you, I wanted to double-click into Freddy AI momentum. I think you talked about customer adoption nearly doubling sequentially. I know it's still early to see AI show up in the application layer, but it sounds like you're starting to see it. Can you just walk through what is driving that? We're getting a lot of questions on ROI around AI. Can you just help us understand why you're seeing strong adoption there? And then a quick follow-up for Tyler, if I could.

Dennis Woodside

Chief Executive Officer

First of all, we are seeing tremendous interest amongst all of our customers, at the very least, a discussion of AI and a trial of AI, and in particular, our Copilot product. So we are finding all of our customers are comfortable with the idea that AI can make their agents more productive. And when they see the value of the AI suggesting answers to customers for deeply technical questions that often take time for agents to research and resolve, the agents don't have the answers at the tip of their tongue. They see the value. So typically, a customer will do a small deployment during an evaluation phase, and they'll measure the actual productivity impact in terms of response rate, customer satisfaction with the response, and they'll quantify what that does for overall productivity. That will lead them to have conviction actually paying for our Copilot add-on. So that's what's driving our growth there. And like I said, we're seeing attach rates around 40% for large deals. Those are deals for us over $30,000 a year. Every conversation in a meaningful deal involves Copilot. And we're going back to all of our existing customers – and this is both on the CX and the IT side, and having that same conversation with our existing accounts. So we launched our product a year ago in beta. We went through beta for about six months. We went into GA in mid-February, so we've only been selling for a quarter and a half. But I'm really pleased with how the team's performed in Q1. And I think that's going to be a driver of growth for some time to come.

Brent Bracelin

Analyst · Piper Sandler

Tyler, for you as a follow-up here. It looks like you added, what, 600 net new customers ex-Device42. That's up from 400 last quarter. Can you talk through what drove the improvement there? Was it just sales productivity? Did you see a stronger close rate exiting the quarter? Just help us understand the uptick in net customer kind of lands here this quarter.

Tyler Sloat

Chief Financial Officer

We were really pleased that we had a little bit of a turnaround on the customer side. It's still not to the levels that we saw a couple of years ago, but a little bit of top of funnel on the SMB side. Some stabilization on churn, where churn had actually driven some of the lower customer numbers in the prior quarter. Again, it wasn't as much dollar churn, but really logo churn for really that long tail. And then, yeah, execution. But again, the SMB, there's a little bit of noise in there. The pressures we talked about in terms of overall SMB kind of macro pressure as well as expansion still persists, but we were really pleased in Q2 with that uptick on the customer number.

Dennis Woodside

Chief Executive Officer

Next question, please.

Operator

Operator

It comes from the line of Pat Walravens with Citizens JMP.

Pat Walravens

Analyst · Citizens JMP

One of the big questions that investors have is just this whole trade-off between seat based pricing and consumption based pricing as AI kicks in and increases the productivity of the agents. Can you just talk a little bit about what you learned over the last quarter or so about that?

Dennis Woodside

Chief Executive Officer

I would start by saying a lot of our focus has been on Copilot, although self-serve, we're seeing adoption grow there as well. And as I mentioned, we nearly doubled the number of customers that are paying for our self-serve bots. The dynamics are quite different for bots. Of course, they're paying for bot packages, which is a consumption like model. The more bot sessions that they buy, they're paying as they go, so to speak. Whereas the Copilot, a per seat adder. For both, we're not seeing meaningful changes in seat dynamics. In fact, we're seeing many customers are coming on board to us for the AI itself. But for existing customers that are adopting, we do not see meaningful changes in our overall seat counts, which is promising. In some cases, customers are redeploying or freeing up time for agents to handle higher order work or work that is more complex, requires more of a human touch. And in other cases, we have some customers who are trying to move their support teams into more of a revenue center. So they're adding tasks to the agents that are more about generating new business, not just addressing questions from existing accounts. I think it's still pretty early to see how this is going to play out. But for now, we haven't seen any change in the overall dynamics of our business.

Pat Walravens

Analyst · Citizens JMP

That's super helpful, especially the part about the support team has been to revenue centers is interesting.

Operator

Operator

One moment for our next question. And it's from the line of DJ Haynes with Canaccord Genuity.

DJ Haynes

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity

I'll stick with the comments right here. Dennis, I guess based on the adoption trends and ROI efficiency you're driving with AI capabilities, do you feel like you've set Copilot and self-service pricing in the right spot?

Dennis Woodside

Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. I think we have better data right now on Copilot. On Copilot, we're very pleasantly surprised with how the pricing has held up. So as a reminder, our Copilot edition is $29 a seat per month. We're seeing really positive pricing for that product. And again, I would go back to the impact. The impact is very measurable through a beta test or through pre-post, through a holdout of agents that are and are not using Copilot. So our customers are seeing the impact either during a trial pre-sale or, if they're an existing account, during a trial with a subset of their agents. And that's really driving the pricing. They're seeing the value in the AI. Again, it's only been one full quarter, but that's quite promising for us. And we're leaning into it. The entire sales team, whether you're talking about field sales and selling into the larger accounts, or our teams in India that are working on our existing business or selling into smaller accounts, everybody is pitching in Copilot and it's getting a really positive reception.

DJ Haynes

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity

Tyler, maybe a follow up for you on the guidance. So if you got $3 million from Device42 in a month that annualizes to about $21 million for the year, but the full year guidance increases about $10 million at the midpoint, so if my math is right, are you trimming the outlook for the core organic business or is that more the cushion you're adding for less predictability that comes with Device42? If you could just kind of talk through the dynamics on the guide, that would be helpful.

Tyler Sloat

Chief Financial Officer

So the $3 million for the month, it's not quite that clear, right, because they are a term licensed business and they are relatively back-end loaded in terms of – because they're selling to larger customers. And so depending on, say, if it's a one, two, three year deal, it could have a little bit more revenue. That $3 million doesn't actually equate to that many deals. And so you can't take a linear assumption on that to get to your $21 million. We built in the $11 million. We did say, hey, we do expect some of that business to see disruption. And a lot of it is because they had a decent amount of their business through partner channels that are with competitors. And so naturally, we would expect some of that to go away. We'll will clearly learn more about that business as we go through the back half. So kind of in an eye of prudence, we built in $11 million for the whole year, inclusive of the $3 million.

Operator

Operator

One moment for our next question. That comes from the line of Scott Berg with Needham & Company.

Scott Berg

Analyst · Needham & Company

I'm going to follow up on DJ's last question there and not trying to get into the weeds on contract terms on this call necessarily, Tyler. But how much of the customer base at Device42 had multi-year contracts versus kind of singular annualized contracts? I think a common question tomorrow is trying to understand what that annualized number kind of looks like in terms of consistency, in terms of how to view that business.

Tyler Sloat

Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, we haven't broken out – because they do have a mix of, I would say, one, two, and three-year deals. And they also have a portion of – a pretty immaterial amount of what we call periodic revenue, which is more usage-based. So it's not actually under a full multi-year contract. Scott, as we learn more, because we're also – as customers come up for renewal, we'll have opportunities to craft those renewals in terms of the terms, right? And the real goal here – we outline kind of what the product roadmap is for Device42. The first is to build a really deep integration. But the second is to really move it to a pure cloud offering. And that will do away with the term license to get it back to pure subscription, but that's probably towards the end of next year. And so, we'll have to provide some color each quarter going forward, if it is kind of a material impact one way or the other.

Scott Berg

Analyst · Needham & Company

A question for Dennis. I know you're looking to have this cloud version ready next year. I'm sure a more tightly integrated solution at that point next year as well. But when you think of the go-to-market there and the partner base that Code42 is using, you mentioned that some of your competitors, that partner dynamic probably dissipates over time. But does this help you potentially unlock more partner opportunities, whether that Device42 is using those channel partners exclusively by themselves, or maybe the combined opportunity is even more appealing to more partners out there?

Dennis Woodside

Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, absolutely. And I think there's a couple different vectors that we're exploring. We have some partners that are already working with Freshworks that are familiar with Device42 because we've already been co-selling with them. But there's a number of partners that are not. So introducing them to those partners, getting those partners to actively bring Device42 into deals is an opportunity. And then Device42 has built a partner-centric business, and a number of those partners are not as familiar with Freshworks. So we're systematically going to all those partners and introducing ourselves, our offering, and trying to get earlier into the sales cycle. Because typically, in many of those deals, a customer is considering an ITSM right alongside an ITAM offering. And now we can get in front of those deals that we weren't even seeing before. So a lot of the early work has been understanding the pipeline on both sides, the partner pipeline as well as our self-generated pipeline, and then making sure that we are bringing Device42 into every possible opportunity that we have and vice versa.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Ryan MacWilliams with Barclays.

Ryan MacWilliams

Analyst · Ryan MacWilliams with Barclays

Dennis, great to hear about your meetings with key stakeholders across the business, along with like the acceleration in ARR for Freddy Copilot in the quarter. Has your priorities changed here at all from either products or go-to-market side or anything now after the last quarter you think you want to double down on from here?

Dennis Woodside

Chief Executive Officer

I think as I stated in the remarks earlier, I think it's really about optimizing our investment profile and making sure we're investing where we see the greatest return. And as I outlined in the prepared remarks, the first imperative is to win in that IT and employee experience business. That's where we have really solid product market fit, a lot of momentum. Like I said, most wins we've ever had against our biggest competitor over the last six quarters in Q2. Just seeing a lot of traction there and a lot of opportunities. So areas like managed service providers or MSPs, we have hundreds of MSPs using our product today. But we don't have a real full-fledged MSP offering that would enable them to scale faster, manage their accounts much more effectively. So we're going to go build. ITAM or ESM, we have an ESM product today that's doing really well, but it's not really deep. So if you think about like ESM for HR, there's a lot more we could be doing if we deepen our capabilities there. So we're going to invest there. Now we're going to do that by really optimizing within our existing resource profile. We've got well over a thousand super talented engineers. They're conversant and up to speed on how we develop products. So making sure we've got the right balance across our products is super important for us. I think the second big imperative is AI because we spent the last year building out our AI offerings, deepening them, testing them, ensuring that the quality of results is high. Now We're seeing it pay off and really putting the pedal of the metal on monetizing that AI opportunity, starting with Copilot, but we've got some exciting innovation coming around Freddy Self Serve as well that'll make deploying bots much easier towards the back half of this year. So those are the two really big priorities that we're leaning into. I think the customer experience products of CX and sales and marketing, that's more of an SMB oriented product today, as you know. And potentially, if SMB comes back, that business comes back. In the meantime, what we're trying to do is figure out how do we make those products work together better? So if I'm a CX customer, I can seamlessly upgrade or add a sales and marketing seat. Right now, that's harder than it needs to be. So there's work to be done there. But those first two priorities are real here and now opportunities and we're really leaning into them.

Ryan MacWilliams

Analyst · Ryan MacWilliams with Barclays

Tyler, two quick housekeeping questions on the net dollar retention rate. For the first quarter net dollar retention rate, was that inclusive of Device42?

Tyler Sloat

Chief Financial Officer

For the first quarter? You mean for Q2?

Ryan MacWilliams

Analyst · Ryan MacWilliams with Barclays

For Q2. What would that look like ex-Device42?

Tyler Sloat

Chief Financial Officer

The impact wasn't super significant. It helped slightly in Q2, but it wasn't off of what our expectations were, which we had said 105 to 106.

Ryan MacWilliams

Analyst · Ryan MacWilliams with Barclays

On the 3Q guide, was this something influencing this? Is this something you've seen in July so far or there are changes in linearity throughout the second quarter that influences that.

Tyler Sloat

Chief Financial Officer

Not a lot of change in linearity. Our field business has become more and more back-end loaded, which is as expected, and that's been happening for a while. And I think in terms of SMB add, expansion, it's still kind of the same pressures that we've talked about for a long time now. So there's no significant changes.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Elizabeth Porter with Morgan Stanley.

Elizabeth Porter

Analyst · Elizabeth Porter with Morgan Stanley

I wanted to follow up on the guidance questions. And excluding the benefit from Device42, it looks like the revenue and billings guidance suggests the back half outlook on core growth is a bit softer than the prior guide implied. If so, it would be helpful to really understand where you're taking a more conservative view on the back half of the performance for the core business even it doesn't really sound like macro changed too much from Q2 to Q1.

Tyler Sloat

Chief Financial Officer

The prior guide was at $710 million. We built in an estimate of $11 million for all of Device42 for the year. We said that, hey, that business we expect to have disruption there. So that is an estimate. In terms of the $710 million at the midpoint, kind of minus 11, but $713 million at the high, it's really nothing significantly different. We still see expansion pressures. And that is agent addition, which it has been, but primarily affecting our CX business, and still SMB pressures. And these are the same kind of things we've been talking about for a little while. So there hasn't been a dramatic change. We're adding a little bit of prudence into that number for the back half. But outside of that, there's no significant change, Elizabeth.

Elizabeth Porter

Analyst · Elizabeth Porter with Morgan Stanley

On the SMB side, understanding that's still a challenge from the macro perspective, you guys have been making a lot of investments just to modernize that inbound motion. So any updates on the progress you're seeing there and when we could start to see those investments benefit the model?

Dennis Woodside

Chief Executive Officer

I think you did see a tick up in total customer growth, excluding Device42, of around 600 net adds compared to, I think, under 400 net adds in the prior quarter. And so, you're starting to see some impact. But I think we still need to continue to improve that experience for customers. And part of that is also making it more seamless to – if you're a customer of our support product, to buy into sales and marketing or vice versa. And that's some of the things that we're working on. So we did see some improvement. But again, we're continuing to find ways to make incremental changes to our process to drive greater conversion of leads into customers.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Pinjalim Bora with J.P. Morgan.

Noah Herman

Analyst · Pinjalim Bora with J.P. Morgan

This is Noah on for Pinjalim. Dennis, in your remarks, you mentioned that you'll be streamlining the go-to-market, at least for the customer experience in sales and marketing products, to be a little bit more customer segment-focused. Just wanted to see if you could provide more color on that. And how long do you think some of these go-to-market initiatives would take, especially for those two segments?

Dennis Woodside

Chief Executive Officer

For that specific change, the way our model works, we market our products on a global basis. And we have leads coming in by product. So let's say a Freshdesk lead. That lead previously would go to a geographic-oriented or aligned sales team, North America or EMEA or Asia-Pac. And they weren't product-aligned. And what we were finding is that our products are so different that the product depth really mattered a lot more than the regional specificity. So we reoriented. And this is just for that inbound team. We reoriented that inbound team to be product-centric. So a Freshservice lead goes to a Freshservice team, regardless of geo, and Freshdesk to Freshdesk regardless of geo. And our thinking is that that, over time, will drive greater specificity, greater expertise, and ultimately benefit in improved conversion rate in that inbound business, in particular. Those changes are finished. They've been made. And that's how we're going to market as of this quarter.

Noah Herman

Analyst · Pinjalim Bora with J.P. Morgan

And maybe for our just quick housekeeping, but I think last quarter you mentioned that gross churn, I guess, was sort of in the mid-teens. Curious if there was any material change in Q2.

Tyler Sloat

Chief Financial Officer

No, no material change. It's relatively stable.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Brent Thill with Jefferies.

Luv Sodha

Analyst · Brent Thill with Jefferies

This is Luv Sodha on for Brent Thill. Maybe the first one for you, Dennis. If you could parse out maybe the customer experience side of the business. Obviously, it's underperformed over the past year. I guess, as you look at that business, could you talk about what the impact of AI has been in terms of seat degradation and how much of it is macro impacted at this point?

Dennis Woodside

Chief Executive Officer

We have not seen impact attributable to AI of seat degradation. In fact, we're seeing pretty strong attach rates both in SMB, which tends to be more – the CS customer base tends to be more SMB, in new customers coming in and in our larger customers, which – and I'm talking specifically about Copilot, which is a net adder to expansion. What we're seeing is that the rate of seat addition over the last 18 months has come down as businesses are not expanding at the same rate. They're under pressure because the cost of financing expansion is meaningfully higher. But the reason that I have confidence that it's not AI driven is we look at customers that have and have not adopted AI, both Self Serve and Copilot, and we don't see material differences in expansion rate, churn rate, or retention rates between those who have and have not adopted. So we don't think it's AI. We think it's continued macro pressure on the SMB, and that is more reflected in the CX business because our business skews more SMB in CX.

Luv Sodha

Analyst · Brent Thill with Jefferies

A quick follow up for Tyler. Tyler, last quarter, you'd obviously guided billings to about 16%, and this quarter now it's 16% with one or two points from Device42. I guess, could you just talk about the framework there in terms of the guide? What are you baking in in terms of expectations for billings growth in the back half of the year?

Tyler Sloat

Chief Financial Officer

We said 16% for the year, but we said 1% to 2% coming from Device42. So we do think that went back again. The Device42 business is a little bit less predictable for us right now as we just closed it, and we do expect some disruption. So we'll obviously update that at the end of Q3 based on what we're learning. But the billings growth, essentially, we've taken into account everything we know on billings. And, Luv, as you know, we don't think billings is a great metric, but we understand that it's important.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Rob Oliver with Baird.

Rob Oliver

Analyst · Rob Oliver with Baird

Dennis, on Device42, can you just talk a little bit about how you plan to go to market on that and just refresh us on – is it the plan to roll it into the core Freshworks sales force? And then I think – and I might have misheard you versus Tyler relative to when it will move to a cloud native solution. I thought I heard you say Q1. And what are you guys assuming? Like, are customers going to be forced to move to the cloud native solution at that point? Is there a potential for incremental churn? And I guess a follow up question to that is do you have to wait until the cloud native solution to fully integrate your two products? So a lot there. I apologize.

Dennis Woodside

Chief Executive Officer

Let me just walk through again our plan for Device42 from a product standpoint. So, today, we have a lightweight integration between Freshservice and Device42. That allows an agent to switch from the Freshservice experience into Device42 if they have to or they want to understand the assets of the organization that they're working in. That said, it's not seamless and it comes across and feels like a different product experience. The first product initiative that's underway right now is to create a better integration, a more seamless integration of the two products with D42 remaining on-prem and, obviously, Freshservice remaining in cloud. That's what is available early next year. The second product milestone is to create a cloud native version of Device42. And that is planned for the latter part of next year. Now, in terms of migration and all the ins and outs, that we're going to have to work through, but that's the product plan. In terms of how we're going to market now, we've been going to market with Device42 as a partner for some time where we see a customer with an advanced IT footprint, a mix of lots of assets on-prem and in cloud that they want to track. And we've had success selling them into many deals. Now that we've acquired the company, it's just an accelerated version of that. So we've gone through our entire pipeline of new business and wherever there is a prospect that could possibly benefit from advanced ITAM, we are introducing and bringing Device42 in. When we have expansion opportunities, same thing. And then we're also looking at Device42's pipeline for any opportunities to bring Freshservice in where they previously may not have considered us. So that's all underway right now. We've seen a couple of successes already. A large public university in Canada with 15,000 faculty took both Freshservice and Device42. We've got a lot of deals where Device42 is part of the mix. And so, it's a great opportunity for us to upsell D42 into our existing base as well as bring them into new deals and to bolster our overall position.

Operator

Operator

And our last question comes from the line of Alex Zukin with Wolfe Research.

Ryan Krieger

Analyst · Wolfe Research

This is Ryan Krieger on for Alex. Just going back to the Freddy Copilot and Freddy Self Service customer metrics you provided, are there any segments or verticals where you're seeing increased or slower rate of adoption? On the NRR metrics, you talked about the macro being stable quarter over quarter, but you do expect to see further NRR compression in 3Q. So any solutions where that's a particular drag on that metric?

Tyler Sloat

Chief Financial Officer

I'll take the net dollar retention. Yeah, we haven't seen change or reversal in expansion pressure in SMB. I think just the net dollar retention number to 105, which is not dramatically different than this quarter, is really just how the year-over-year numbers work on ARR and what we can see. Because every quarter, we kind of annualize the prior quarter, so we have a little bit more data. So I don't think there's any big change we're expecting on net dollar retention. I think it's just where the numbers are flowing. Churn is relatively stable and expansion is kind of where it is in terms of the pressures, in terms of agent addition. That being said, the work we have to do is to figure out, number one, Device42 to use that as a new expansion motion and how quickly we can get that going. And then things like ESM, selling into our Freshservice space, that has got great traction, along with continuing to sell Copilot.

Dennis Woodside

Chief Executive Officer

On Copilot, the promising aspect – or another promising aspect of where Copilot is, is we're getting traction across our two largest products, both customer service and IT. So agents in both categories are finding value in the product, and it's not limited to any one industry or segment of our customer base. We're seeing traction in small business as well as in larger businesses. We're seeing traction in customers that are brand new to us, buying right off of our website and deciding to add Copilot after trialing it for just a few weeks, as well as larger customers that are doing much more sophisticated testing. So we think it's going to – it is a core part of what we're selling now. We think that, over time, every customer is going to benefit from what Copilot does for their agents, and that's going to be a big story for us over the course of the next year.

Operator

Operator

And thank you. This concludes our Q&A session and conference for today. Thank you to all who participated, and you may now disconnect.