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Flexible Solutions International, Inc. (FSI)

Q2 2019 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 15, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Flexible Solutions International Second Quarter 2019 Financial Results Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded.At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Dan O'Brien. Please go ahead, sir.

Dan O'Brien

Management

Thank you, Wilma. Good morning. This is Dan O'Brien, CEO of Flexible Solutions. The safe harbor provision. The private securities litigation Reform Act of 1995 provides a Safe Harbor for forward-looking statements. Certain of the statements contained, herein, which are not historical facts, are forward-looking statements with respect to events, the occurrence of which involve risks and uncertainties. These forward-looking statements may be impacted either positively or negatively by various factors. Information concerning potential factors that could affect the company is detailed from time-to-time in the company's reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.Welcome to the conference call for Q2 2019. Before I speak about our financials, I'd like to talk about our product lines and what we think might occur over the next several quarters. The insurance compensation from the fire and Taber has been received in full, but the accounting and tax effects of the payments will continue to distort our financials until year-over-year comparisons that do not contain compensation or tax adjustments are available. The first quarter that this will occur is Q1, 2020.Our NanoChem Division, NCS represents more than one-half of revenue of FSI. This division makes thermal polyaspartic acid, called TPA for short, a biodegradable polymer with many valuable uses. NCS also manufacturers SUN 27 and N Savr 30, which are used to reduce nitrogen fertilizer loss from soil. TPA is used in agriculture to significantly increase crop yield. The method of action is by slowing crystal growth between fertilizer ions and other ions in the soil, resulting in fertilizer remaining available longer for the plants to use.The attraction between the TPA and the fertilizer ions also retains the nutrients closer to the plant roots, keeping fertilizer more easily available for crops to use results in better yield with the same level of fertilization.…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Raymond Ho [ph] with CSP Incorporated.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good morning, Dan.

Dan O'Brien

Management

Good morning, Ray.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Question for you, you mentioned expectation for ENP pre-tax profits 7 million, and you may have said this on this – is that FSI 65% or is that the total pre-tax?

Dan O'Brien

Management

That is the expectation for FSI 65%.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And I know you've mentioned tariffs. Is there any way you can quantify what the impact was on the quarter as far as I guess…

Dan O'Brien

Management

I would hesitate to do that Ray, because what it depends on is after a particular quarter and we have to work out, which – which sales were international and will be available for rebates and which sales were inside the United States and won't be. And we are also because of the amount of inventory that we have been carrying in order to avoid increased tariff rates, the change between the 10% and the 25% comes at different times. So it would be a complicated accounting issue. I will make a guesstimate that, it was more than two $200,000 in this quarter alone.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. It looks like at least on the TPA business you got hit from four sides with weather, tariffs, bad debt and currency at least compared -- currency at least compared to Q2 of 2018. Structurally, did you see any change in terms of the TPA business or is it just bad luck?

Dan O'Brien

Management

I wouldn't call it anything structural. I would say, it's bad luck, but we find that the harder we work the luckier we get. So it indicates we've got to push even harder so that instead of three hits we only take -- instead of four hits we take three. I don't know which of the ones we're going to be able to avoid, but I would suspect that's going to be the bad debt issue, because that one it's pretty rare in our history and I feel terrible about the situation that's -- that was a decision and it started with me.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Right. And I lost my train of thought. I think I'll jump back in the queue. Thank you.

Dan O'Brien

Management

All right. Thanks Ray.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Talha Ismail from PPCM.

Talha Ismail

Analyst

Hi, Dan.

Dan O'Brien

Management

Good morning, Talha.

Talha Ismail

Analyst

I just had a really quick question, so in terms of -- can you kind of quantify the fact that – can you kind of -- in the previous question you kind of quantified the effect of the tariffs being that you said it affected your profits by 200,000. Is that right?

Dan O'Brien

Management

It's an estimate of greater than 200,000 for the quarter. It's just not a -- it's not a number that we want to prepare, because it's a moving target, but that's the general position.

Talha Ismail

Analyst

And that's -- is that pre-tax profits after tax profits, just want to make sure.

Dan O'Brien

Management

That is – that would be pre-tax because we would receive it as a rebate and it would reduce our future cost of goods for whatever quarter we get the check in.

Talha Ismail

Analyst

Got it. And then if you had to quantify the effect of the weather, how much would that be for the quarter you think on top line or bottom line top line I guess?

Dan O'Brien

Management

Top line, it was probably about a $1 million in sales. I believe we went but that's across two American divisions. And then I think you may have noticed that I mentioned something regarding the fact that the tariff issues are -- they are having effects in every country, not just the two countries that are actively fighting.For instance, South America has had currency gyrations related to this that are switching them from holding inventory to buying just in time, because they don't know what their currency will be worth. So that's had an effect as well. I'd like to lump it all into perhaps at $1 million in foregone revenue. And then, that's an estimate of course. And some of the revenue we will see in Q3 and Q4, anything that was foregone out of South America will probably recover.We have seen some recovery in our row crop selling in the quarter that we're in now. But I have to be very blunt, the ENP, golf and turf market sales that were lost are not going to come back this year. The customers will be there and probably larger next year. But you just can't go back in time and spray a green or fairway that you didn't spray in May.

Talha Ismail

Analyst

Right. Got it. In your guidance, you kind of said that you expect that Q3 will substantially increase compared to the past quarter in Q2. Do you see signs that sales already recovering that your customers are kind of reordering and all of that from the weather, probably a loss as you view. I guess, is there any sign that you're seeing that.

Dan O'Brien

Management

Yes. I think you may have misrepresented me somewhat. I can't compare Q3 to Q2 directly. I compared Q3 to the previous year and I'm expecting a --

Talha Ismail

Analyst

I got it.

Dan O'Brien

Management

Yes, yes. But, yes, we are seeing signs. I can't comment. It's only half a quarter, but I can't comment on the volume, but the customers are coming back in the row crop area and in the international area, but not in the ENP, golf and terf area.

Talha Ismail

Analyst

Right. And I would imagine that's because the weather has gotten better, obviously, right, in those regions.

Dan O'Brien

Management

Yes. And people are trying to get a crop and internationally inventories of our products have run down near to zero. And, now, regardless of the currency position, you have to make your order. So that's what's generating the snapback, if you will.

Talha Ismail

Analyst

Got it. Perfect. All right. Thank you.

Dan O'Brien

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] We will take our next question from William Gregozeski from Greenridge Global.

William Gregozeski

Analyst

Hey, Dan. Thanks for all the detail you provided in the prepared remarks. It was very helpful. You talked about future expansion I guess, kind of, new term expansion internationally. Can you give an estimate of what percent of your sales now are outside of North America?

Dan O'Brien

Management

Yeah. Hi, Bill. I would. This is number I should have and I'll have it for the next call, an accurate one. But as an estimate right now, greater than 70%. And I need to qualify that as saying greater than 20% minus the ENP division, which has very little international sales, so let's call it greater than 50% but we will get you that number at the next call. Does that seem fair?

William Gregozeski

Analyst

Yeah. Yeah, that's good. Thank you. That’s all I had. Thanks.

Dan O'Brien

Management

Okay. Thank you, Bill.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Raymond Ho with CSP Incorporated.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · CSP Incorporated.

Thanks Dan. I'm not saying, you can remember what I wanted to ask. Any pushback only you're getting on pricing from fishing through the increased price from the tariffs?

Dan O'Brien

Management

Good question. I don't think so. I think everyone understands what's going on. We are getting -- we're not getting the margin on the increase but we are definitely getting the 25% through on our cost of raw materials.And then the other point would be is we're at the bottom of the chain. So if a product is going to cost $70 or $80 a gallon at the farmer level and we're charging $22 and then it goes through several markups, we're not the source of the greatest cost to the end users. So there is what you might call flex in the supply chain and we're not getting the pushback, but perhaps all the way along people are just taking a slightly lower margin.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · CSP Incorporated.

Got you. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from JT Waters [ph].

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hey, Dan. How are you today?

Dan O'Brien

Management

I'm doing well. How are you?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I'm doing well. Thank you. Can you quantify, maybe you said this and I missed it, the size of the bad debt that was charges off this quarter?

Dan O'Brien

Management

Just a little less than a $1.25 million.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And the tariff call back or I'm not sure what the correct terminology is. That would not appear anywhere on the balance sheet, is that correct?

Dan O'Brien

Management

That's correct because it isn't real until it's a check is in the bank. This is a government rebate program. We've been told that anywhere between nine and 16 months is a realistic expectation for recovery. So that's why we -- that's why I was so very hesitant to put a number on it. That's also why I'm hesitant to tell you which quarter is going to happen and I have been told that once you get your first check in your first set of approvals that it's a little more orderly.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Is it something that you feel like once that begins, it could be quantified in the futures once the rates are set and we have kind of a better idea how the mechanism by which that works going forward or will always kind of be that the fake number that’s floating out there?

Dan O'Brien

Management

It's not going to be disopaque, but I'm going to try and avoid quantifying it because at any time for any reason, a bureaucrat can say, I don't believe you. And it then gets delayed for whatever period of time that particular person wants to keep the file open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Got you. And they wouldn’t just always have to chime in with a marketing thing. I'm just saying it seems like every time you pick up a newspaper, there's something else about nitrogen runoff during the floods in the Mississippi and things like that calls and all these terrible environmental problems in the Gulf. I just have to assume that it's part of our marketing strategy to the agriculture industry that we can save and alleviate some of that. And if so, I don't -- is that kind of a point of emphasis going forward.

Dan O'Brien

Management

It is.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thank you, again.

Dan O'Brien

Management

Well I'd like to speak a little bit more on that. We're doing some extended research and when we can make even better claims than we can about our products as a result of this research which is ongoing this fall, we will be pushing even harder because, we are starting to see state governments become quite a bit more realistic about not only making laws, but perhaps even enforcing them on the amount of nitrogen and phosphate you can put on your land.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

That's great. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] We have no further questions in the queue at this time.

Dan O'Brien

Management

Thank you, Wilma. Will you close down the conference? And thank you all for joining us. It was a good one and I look forward to talking to you in three months.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's teleconference. You may now disconnect.