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Q4 2024 Earnings Call· Wed, Feb 26, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to Federal Signal Corporation's Fourth Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Felix Boeschen. Thank you. You may begin.

Felix Boeschen

Management

Good morning, and welcome to Federal Signal Corporation's Fourth Quarter 2024 Conference. I am Felix Boeschen, the company's Vice President of Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations. Also with me on the call today is Jennifer Sherman, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Ian Hudson, our Chief Financial Officer. We will refer to some presentation slides today as well as to the earnings release which we issued this morning. The slides can be followed online by going to our website, federalsignal.com, clicking on the investor call icon, and signing in to the webcast. We've also posted the slide presentation and the earnings release over the Investor tab on our website. Before I turn the call over to Ian, I'd like to remind you that some of our comments made today may contain forward-looking statements that are subject to the Safe Harbor language found in today's news release, and in Federal Signal Corporation's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. These documents are available on our website. Our presentation also contains some measures that are not in accordance with U.S. Generally Accepted Accounting Principles. In our earnings release and filings, we reconcile these non-GAAP measures to GAAP measures. In addition, we will file our Form 10-K later today. Ian will start today with more detail on our fourth quarter and full-year financial results. Jennifer will then provide her perspective on our performance, discuss our recent acquisition of HOG Technologies, and go over our outlook for 2025 before we open the line for any questions. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Ian.

Ian Hudson

Management

Thank you, Felix. Financial results for the fourth quarter and full year of 2024 are provided in today's earnings release. Before I talk about the fourth quarter, let me highlight some of our full-year consolidated results for 2024. Net sales for the year were approximately $1.86 billion, a record high for the company and an increase of $139 million or 8% compared to last year. Operating income for the year was $281.4 million, an increase of $56.9 million or 25% from last year. Adjusted EBITDA for the year was $350.6 million, up $64.6 million or 23% compared to last year. That translates to a margin of 18.8% this year, up 220 basis points from last year. GAAP diluted EPS for the year equated to $3.50 per share, up $0.94 per share or 37% from last year. On an adjusted basis, we reported full-year earnings of $3.34 per share, up $0.76 per share or 29% from last year. Orders for the year were $1.85 billion, the second-highest annual orders in the company's history, contributing to a backlog of approximately $1 billion at the end of the year. For the rest of my comments, I will focus mostly on comparisons of the fourth quarter of 2024 to the fourth quarter of 2023. Consolidated net sales for the quarter were $472 million, an increase of $24 million or 5% compared to last year despite a $7 million headwind from fewer chassis parts through sales. Consolidated operating income for the quarter was $70.1 million, up $7 million or 11% compared to last year. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $89.3 million, up $11.8 million or 15% compared to last year. That translates to a margin of 18.9%, an increase of 160 basis points from last year. GAAP diluted EPS for the quarter was…

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Thank you, Ian. Our record-setting fourth-quarter performance represented a strong finish to a year in which we delivered the highest net sales and adjusted EPS in our history. Our fourth-quarter results included records across consolidated net sales, adjusted EPS, and adjusted EBITDA margin thanks to outstanding contributions from both of our groups. Within our Environmental Solutions Group, we delivered 6% year-over-year net sales growth and a 13% increase in adjusted EBITDA with higher production levels, contributions from acquisitions, and continued price realization representing meaningful year-over-year contributors. ESG's adjusted EBITDA margins expanded by 130 basis points year-over-year to approximately 21%, a new fourth-quarter record and towards the upper end of our current target range. As we pointed out in prior calls, we remain focused on raising our build rates for our extended lead time products, namely our sewer cleaners and street sweepers. As such, combined fourth-quarter production at our two largest facilities rose 5% year-over-year, primarily led by improved sewer cleaner production. From a capacity perspective, our access to labor remains good. Supply chain fluidity has improved, and our large-scale capacity expansions that we completed between 2019 and 2022 position us well to profitably absorb incremental volumes into our existing footprint. Shifting to aftermarket, demand for our aftermarket products and services remained strong as revenues grew 2% year-over-year, driven by strong performance in parts revenue and rental income. In aggregate, aftermarket represented approximately 26% of ESG revenue in Q4 this year compared to around 27% in Q4 last year. Our other vehicle-based businesses also contributed positively to results. For example, our road marking businesses achieved 34% year-over-year net sales growth on the back of broad-based strength across our product lines, driven by healthy end-market demand and continued market share expansion efforts. Similarly, our dump truck body businesses continued their momentum in…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we'll be conducting a question and answer session. You may press star two if you'd like to remove your question from the queue. My first question comes from Walt Liptak with Seaport Global Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Walt Liptak

Analyst

Good morning, Walt. Hi. Thanks. Hey. Good morning, guys. Great year. Loved all the records for 2024.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Thank you, Walt.

Walt Liptak

Analyst

So I wanted to ask sort of a question that you addressed in your opening topics about just municipal spending. And, you know, big cities, I think their budgets are changing as a result of the administration change. And, you know, you addressed a number of these things, and I know that safety and security are always top of the list for spending for big cities. But I wonder if you could talk a little bit about just the health of the big cities, and your exposure to big cities versus, you know, smaller local governments.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Yeah. I think, you know, if we look back on history, I think it was important to understand is kind of, first of all, the essential nature of the equipment that we produce. I would also point to the water taxes, which have been rising over the last, you know, ten plus years, you know, that fund sewer cleaners. And then the overall, you know, we talked on in my prepared remarks, about the strength in SSG US police orders, which were up 32% year over year. So the other thing I would talk about is as a company, we talk about kind of the diversification of revenue streams. As we've talked about before, particularly in our police business, we've undergone, you know, the development of a good, better, best product strategy. And so our reliance on major cities today for that business is much less than it's been historically. So overall, we believe that given the diversification efforts, the strength we're seeing in police, you know, the water funding mechanisms, the strength we're seeing in dump truck orders, that we're very well positioned for 2025.

Walt Liptak

Analyst

Okay. That sounds great. And I wonder if you could also talk a little bit more about the pricing strategies for this year and around tariffs. Some of the material prices are moving up. Do you have the flexibility of raising prices as the year goes on if tariffs start to create more inflation?

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Yeah. I think a couple of things are critical. You know, we've locked in for ESG businesses, our raw material input for the vast majority of the year. And we feel like we're well protected there. With respect to tariffs, again, I would remind you that our direct spend is, you know, outside of the US, $30 million. So it's a relatively small portion. If we were to receive tariffs on chassis, those are typically pass-through. We would pass those expenses on. You know, we're typically, you know, through inflationary times, if you look at past practice, we performed well. Because we're because of the essential nature of our equipment, we're able to pass on those costs as necessary to the end customer. You know, and I would add, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, that we're exploring several mitigation strategies now. In terms of looking at alternative suppliers are domestically based.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Steve Barger with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Good morning, Steve.

Christian Zylon

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Good morning, guys. This is actually Christian Zylon for Steve Barger. Thank you for taking the questions.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Yes. Absolutely. Good morning.

Christian Zylon

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

First question, could you quantify or give us a sense of how much rental fleet growth was in the quarter? And how should we think about that for 2025 given the Standard acquisition and along with HOG?

Ian Hudson

Management

Yeah. So there wasn't aside from the, obviously, the acquisition of Standard, they had a rental fleet that came with the acquisition. So aside from that, that wasn't too much of an incremental investment in the fleet. Much of that was earlier in the year. You know, I think part of the strategy is that we typically would add equipment to the fleet so that it's in the fleet ready for kind of peak season, which typically is in the summer months. As we look into 2025, you know, I think it is we start the year with a certain amount that is earmarked for us to add to the fleet. That is something that on a monthly basis, you know, we, myself, Jennifer, and the whole team monitor kind of additions to the fleet, really tracking utilization, by product line, by geography. So we can pivot if we need to, and that's one of the advantages of being the manufacturer of the equipment that goes into the fleet. So that's the strategy. There is obviously a certain amount that is earmarked to go into the fleet. I would say it's about the same level as it was in 2024. That also assumes that we have a strong, you know, strong used equipment sales that we've seen, you know, throughout the last couple of years as well. So that's kind of the majority of the business. The other point you asked about HOG. That really has no rental business. So HOG is a manufacturer of equipment that is sold almost directly to end customers. It also has an attractive aftermarket business, but that aftermarket piece isn't rental. It's primarily part.

Christian Zylon

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Got it. Thank you. If I could just follow-up on that. So I guess the six quarter over quarter margin step down on equal more or less revenues. Is that just mix driven? Was that, like, a seasonal step down? Can you just a little more insight into kind of that hundred ten basis points step down?

Ian Hudson

Management

Yeah. It's predominantly mix. And, you know, when you think about the aftermarket business, there is a lot of work that takes place in the summer months when the weather is good. We typically see that step down a little bit and, you know, although the top line is the same, there was some mix effect there. I think the other thing to note in Q4 is just the impact of some holidays or vacations, I should say, just with the holidays and when the calendar fell, you know, there was a lot of holidays midweek. And so there was probably a higher amount of absenteeism than we might have expected in Q4.

Christian Zylon

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Got it. Thank you. And then second question, have you made headway on lead times for most popular products? I guess, what are the lead times across the board, and what is your target?

Jennifer Sherman

Management

We've made headway with respect to sewer cleaners while maintaining healthy demand. The progress we've made headway with respect to our three-wheel Pelican street sweeper. With respect to our four-wheel line, we did not make the progress that we had hoped in Q4. As we've talked about in previous calls, we engaged a third party. We are in the process of making some fundamental changes to that business in terms of, you know, increasing production long term. With respect to lead times, sewer cleaners were into the first half of 2026. And street sweepers were into the second half of 2026. So that does give us kind of excellent visibility through those time periods. Thank you again.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Ross Berenberg with William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Good morning, Ross.

Sam Karlov

Analyst · William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Morning, Jennifer. This is Sam Karlov on for Ross. Thank you for taking my call.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Hi, Sam.

Sam Karlov

Analyst · William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

With extended lead time significantly impacting orders for sewer cleaners and street sweepers, are you at all worried about share loss or the potential for distributors to switch to other equipment suppliers?

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Yeah. I think it's something that we watch very carefully. And, you know, we have many tools in our toolbox to address particularly through our aftermarket platform. So a couple of things that we're able to do. One is we can offer rentals. We can offer used equipment. We also can offer the opportunity to move people up in the queue when we need to. I would remind you that this is a municipal product that's gone through some type of public bid process. So, typically, you're replacing existing pieces of equipment. So it is not an impulse buy, and there are expectations there'd be longer lead times. With that being said, again, we are razor-focused on improving lead times, reducing lead times, and increasing production rates. We made some nice progress at Baxter. Still more work to be done at Elgin.

Sam Karlov

Analyst · William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Got it. That's helpful. And then is there anything to call out regarding your CapEx guidance of $40 to $50 million? If I recall correctly, this is above the normal run rate of $30 to $40 million that you've spoken to in the past.

Ian Hudson

Management

Yeah. Yes, Sam. This is Ian. There's an investment that we're looking to make into our mineral extraction business. The combination that is Ground Force and Towhaul just from a manufacturing standpoint. Based on kind of the demand that they've seen, they're looking to add some capacity there. So that would be something that would be baked into that guide. So it's probably, you know, a little that guide does include the impact of that investment that we're gonna make.

Sam Karlov

Analyst · William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Got it. And then one last one from me. You mentioned you saw, I think, 34% growth in the road marking business in the quarter. Had HOG seen similar levels of growth before you'd acquired them?

Ian Hudson

Management

Yes. And Sam, HOG also has a bit more of a different type of exposure in terms of airport exposure and international exposures, but at the same token, they have also seen strong growth in 2024.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

And if you look at that road marking platform of businesses now, HOG, MRL, and Blasters, you know, they're very well positioned for a strong 2025.

Sam Karlov

Analyst · William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Got it. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Chris Moore with CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Chris Moore

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, good morning, guys.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Good morning.

Chris Moore

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah. Maybe at the midpoint of the guide, it looks like looking at this, maybe seven and a half percent organic growth. Just trying to get a sense in terms of, you know, price versus volume in there.

Ian Hudson

Management

Yeah. I think, Chris, it's what we've guided is similar to kind of our experience the last couple of years. I think if you look at the organic growth that we had in 2024, price was about two and a half percent of the overall organic growth that we had in 2024. I think we'd expect something similar in terms of, you know, the guide for 2025. And all of that is in line with kind of our long-term framework where we target that low double-digit top-line growth.

Chris Moore

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Got it. I appreciate that. Jennifer, you talked about transitioning some territories on the distribution side. I'm just trying to wanna make sure I understand. These relationships are normally very long term. And is the potential for, you know, more complex with distributors, is that greater than it was a few years back or was, you know, any meaningful thoughts there?

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Yeah. The first thing I wanna emphasize is that, you know, we've had very strong interest from existing dealers that we have, you know, long-term histories with. And the territory will be divided up among a number of primarily outside third-party entities. We'll start there, you know. And it's really more about kind of strategic alignment and ensuring that, you know, we optimize and drive kind of the market share expansion opportunities that we have. You know, we started our dealer development program, you know, eight years ago. And, you know, we've become, you know, we hold our dealers to very high standards. These are coveted territories. And we will continue to do so going forward. Because we think it's absolutely critical. It's a valued opportunity given demonstrated by the interest that we've had in these particular territories. And, you know, we're gonna continue to expect outstanding performance by those dealer partners, and I'm confident that we'll get that.

Chris Moore

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Got it. I appreciate that. Maybe just the last one. Cash flow from operations was very strong in 2024 after a good 2023. Just any thoughts in terms of how you're looking at it for 2025?

Ian Hudson

Management

Yeah. I think similar to our long-term targets, Chris, 100% cash conversion on a net income basis. We're actually a little higher than that. For the full year of 2024, I think we're at 107% in 2024. But nothing fundamentally has changed there. It'll be consistent with our expectations, it'll be consistent with our long-term target of 100% cash conversion.

Chris Moore

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Got it. I appreciate it, guys. I will leave it there.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Thank you. Thanks, Chris.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Mike Shlisky with DA Davidson. Please proceed with your question.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Morning, Mike.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst · DA Davidson. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanna follow-up with some of the comments you just made on the transition in the Midwest for your distribution. I guess, David, it's a two-part question. First, is there any organic growth headwinds for 2025? First of all, at all? And then secondly, if someone you find the new people to take over the territory, is there any kind of ramp-up or learning curve? Either they have to build new footprints or is there training for service and technicians and inventory acquisition? Just kinda getting a feel for how this changeover might take place and the length of the potential disruption in those handful of states.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Yeah. So a couple of comments. One, just to kind of ground the conversation. Again, we're talking about a small portion of that 30% of Federal Signal Corporation that goes through exclusive distribution. You know, we, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, we've had ten parties that are passionately interested in this territory. The majority of them being existing dealers that currently sell our products. That would geographically expand into these areas. Several of them already have bricks and mortar in these particular territories for either other Federal Signal Corporation products or other products that they represent. So we believe that they will hit the ground running. We talked about that, you know, this transition was about a $13 million order headwind in Q4. We expect that, you know, there could be a minor issue in Q1. We are in the middle of, you know, interviewing and vetting the proposals that have been submitted to us. And we are highly confident that we will transition these territories by the end of Q1. We believe longer term, that this will provide growth opportunities for Federal Signal Corporation as we move forward.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst · DA Davidson. Please proceed with your question.

Great. Thanks for that color, Jennifer. I appreciate it. I wanted to turn to HOG quickly as well. Does that business resemble the dump truck business in a way and that's very regional? I guess I'm kinda curious whether the Florida location is a big part of the synergy here given that MRL is in Montana.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Yeah. No. It's not a regional business in terms of the equipment manufacturing. This particular business, 20% of the equipment sales are international. 20% of HOG's equipment sales are to domestic airport customers. We talked about the strong 35% is parts. And this really, if you look at our platform of road marking equipment businesses, it really fills in some critical holes both in terms of technology and end-market customer exposure. So we're really pleased about this particular acquisition. We've been working on this acquisition on and off for ten plus years. And we believe that this will provide longer term kind of a meaningful part of the growth of that road marking platform of its group of businesses.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst · DA Davidson. Please proceed with your question.

Got it. Thanks for that. Maybe one last one from me. Just wanna hear a little bit more granular thoughts on the margins for each of the segments for 2025. I was wondering, obviously, there's one bigger segment than the other from a dollar perspective, but does one segment have any more potential from a margin perspective for expansion in 2025 than the other? Do they both seem pretty well positioned, in your opinion?

Ian Hudson

Management

I think, Mike, they both have the potential to increase margins. I think if you think about the guide, I think we are expecting overall across the company. We're expecting year-over-year improvement in EBITDA margin. And I think there's potential in both of the segments to improve margins.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst · DA Davidson. Please proceed with your question.

Alright. I'll leave it there. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

As a reminder, if you like to ask a question, please. Our next question comes from Greg Burns with Sidoti and Company. Please proceed with your question.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Morning, Greg.

Greg Burns

Analyst · Sidoti and Company. Please proceed with your question.

Morning. Just another following up on the dealer development programs. I think you've also taken over direct, I removed your direct operations maybe into certain territories. So what are the, when you look at your dealer footprint, you know, are you expecting to do other similar transition deals, like, you mentioned today in the Midwest or, you know, maybe moving your direct sales force and taking over territories?

Jennifer Sherman

Management

So, again, you know, we're talking about the 30% of our business that goes through this exclusive dealer network. With respect to the situation that I discussed on the call, the vast majority of those territories will be going to third parties. And the vast majority of that will be, you know, entities that are very familiar with our product categories.

Greg Burns

Analyst · Sidoti and Company. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. And when you look at what you're hoping to accomplish there, is it really about accelerating sales of those core like, sewer cleaners, street sweepers, or are you looking to sell more of your product line through that channel to the municipalities? Like, maybe dump truck bodies or other things? Is that part of the goal here of this transition?

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Yeah. Overall, the transition really is focused on increasing market share and increasing aftermarket sales as we move forward. You know, as there are also opportunities as we acquire new product lines and a creative example would be Trackless. So, you know, we have the Elgin factor. And, you know, in many situations, we're combining the Trackless opportunity with that because of the shared end customer between, for example, Elgin and Trackless, who's typically streets and sanitation department. So, you know, we're committed to helping those third-party dealers grow sales of our products.

Greg Burns

Analyst · Sidoti and Company. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. And then in terms of the lead times, on the sewer cleaners and street sweepers, what is the biggest bottleneck? Because you obviously have the capacity, but what are the major bottlenecks to really ramping up production?

Jennifer Sherman

Management

Yeah. So with respect to sewer cleaners, you know, the rate of increase was higher than that at our Elgin team. Our Elgin team worked diligently. As we talked about, we launched our Federal Signal operational model there with the assistance of a third party. We're in the process of making some fundamental changes to that business. With the goal of, you know, increasing production on a sustainable basis long term. And, you know, candidly, at Elgin, it's taking longer than we thought. Given some of those kind of fundamental changes that we're making. In terms of both how we set the lines up in terms of how we bring materials to the line. So, you know, I feel encouraged by the steps that we're taking. But more work needs to be done at Elgin in particular.

Greg Burns

Analyst · Sidoti and Company. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We have reached the end of the question and answer session. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Jennifer Sherman for closing comments.

Jennifer Sherman

Management

In closing, we would like to express our thanks to our stockholders, employees, distributors, dealers, and customers. Thank you for joining us today, and we will talk to you next quarter.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. And we thank you for your participation.