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Q1 2022 Earnings Call· Thu, Apr 28, 2022

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Operator

Operator

00:03 Good morning and welcome everyone to the TechnipFMC First Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. There will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] 00:25 Now I would like to turn the call over to our first presenter for today, Mr. Matt Seinsheimer, you may begin the conference.

Matt Seinsheimer

Analyst

00:34 Good morning and good afternoon and welcome to TechnipFMC's first quarter 2022 earnings conference call. Our news release and financial statements issued yesterday can be found on our website. 00:48 I would like to caution you with respect to any forward-looking statements made during this call. Although, these forward-looking statements are based on our current expectations, beliefs and assumptions, regarding future developments, and business conditions, they are subject to certain risk and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by these statements. 01:13 Known material factors that could cause our actual results to differ from our projected results are described in our most recent 10-K, most recent 10-Q and other periodic filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. We wish to caution you not to place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the date hereof. We undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise any of our forward-looking statements after the date they are made, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. 01:50 I will now turn the call over to Doug Pferdehirt, TechnipFMC's Chair and Chief Executive Officer.

Douglas Pferdehirt

Analyst

01:57 Thank you, Matt. Good afternoon. Thank you for participating in our first quarter earnings call. I would like to start off by addressing the war in Ukraine. What the world has witnessed has been truly heartbreaking. I am extremely proud of the compassion our teams worldwide are showing through their support for refugees. I want to personally recognize our employees in Poland, many of whom have been giving direct support to Ukrainian families by opening up their hearts and homes and providing much needed shelter and care. 02:39 As a company, we continue to support their efforts through our global humanitarian fund providing practical and financial health where it is needed most. The invasion is prompted energy security to become a global priority. We remain committed to helping our clients address the essential needs for hydrocarbons today to ensure the continuity of affordable energy prices, while also playing an essential role in the longer-term energy transition. 03:14 Now turning to the quarterly results. Total company revenue in the period was $1.6 billion, total company adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $154 million, with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 9.9%. Total company inbound orders in the quarter were $2.2 billion, driving sequential growth in backlog to $8.9 billion. Surface Technologies inbound orders were $291 million, with a book-to-bill above one, driven by strength in the U.S. market. 03:58 North America sales and profitability grew sequentially driven by increased drilling and completion activity and an improved pricing environment. Outside of North America, we are investing in new manufacturing capacity to support the strong Middle East outlook. As previously highlighted, we are transitioning to a new facility in Saudi Arabia, which was expected to be a headwind to our financial results in the period. 04:30 The qualification of the facility is extensive…

Alf Melin

Analyst

13:24 Thank you Doug. Total company inbound orders were $2.2 billion in the quarter driven by strong Subsea inbound of $1.9 billion. Total company backlog grew sequentially to $8.9 billion at the end of the period. Revenue in the quarter was $1.6 billion. Adjusted EBITDA was $154 million, which included a foreign exchange gain of $28 million. 13:53 First quarter reported loss from continuing operations was $0.09 per diluted share, which included after tax charges and credits that netted to an expense of $29 million or $0.06 per share. These charges included the following, expenses, totaling $1 million related to impairment restructuring and other charges and a loss of$29 million, on our equity ownership in TechnipEnergy. When excluding the impact of charges and credits, our adjusted loss from continuing operations was $0.03 per share. The adjusted loss also included the foreign exchange gain. 14:36 Turning to segment results. In Subsea, revenue was $1.3 billion, up 4% from the fourth quarter. Adjusted EBITDA was $129 million, with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 10% in line with the fourth quarter. Revenue increased sequentially, primarily due to higher project activity in Australia, North America and Asia, partially offset by reduced activity in Africa. 15:06 Subsea services revenue was largely unchanged from the fourth quarter due to a seasonal impact of weather in both period. The increase in adjusted EBITDA was broadly in line with the sequential increase in revenue. In Surface Technologies, revenue was $267 million, down 7% from the fourth quarter. Revenue decreased sequentially, primarily due to lower international activity resulting from our transition to the new manufacturing facility in Saudi Arabia. The decline in segment revenue was partially offset by growth in North America, which benefited from the continued increase in drilling and completion activity. 15:51 Adjusted EBITDA was $22 million…

Douglas Pferdehirt

Analyst

19:37 Thank you, Alf. Before moving to Q&A, I would like to reiterate a few key points. First, we are in the midst of a multi-year upcycle for oil and gas investment. In Subsea, we are experiencing improvements in pricing and contractual arrangements that more appropriately balance the terms and conditions needed to support this growth. In Surface Technologies, we will continue to prioritize technology, integration and cash generation over growth due to the structural changes in this evolving market. And we are confident in a recovery in Surface international orders in the back half of the year. 20:25 Second, the separation of TechnipEnergies is now fully complete. With the final sale of our remaining ownership stake, just 14 months from the date of the partial spin. And lastly, our $1.2 billion cash position and our confidence in generating strong free cash flow in the second half of the year are allowing us to take aggressive steps to further reduce our gross debt, another important milestone on our path for district shareholder distributions. 20:59 Operator, you may now open the line for questions.

Operator

Operator

21:04 Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Ian MacPherson of Piper Sandler. Your line is now open.

Ian MacPherson

Analyst

21:29 Thank you very much. Good morning.

Douglas Pferdehirt

Analyst

21:32 Good morning, Ian.

Ian MacPherson

Analyst

21:35 Doug, you mentioned 40% or so of your $1.9 billion Subsea inbound coming from your smaller direct awards from 30 or so operators, that just seems certainly unprecedented in recent memory. Is that bucket of orders more reflective of the recent improvement in pricing that you're describing than say the larger orders are, or is your language around price improvement more representative of the entire pipeline of new orders.

Douglas Pferdehirt

Analyst

22:17 Thanks Ian, interesting question. Let me start by agreeing with you that the breadth of clients both geographically and just the sheer number it was a very strong indication of the offshore outlook going forward and we still had contributions from all the big IOCs and from the NOCs. But what we saw was, just an ever expanding group of smaller independent operators and they're attracted -- they're attracted to the iEPCI model, because it allows them to move projects forward in a very short order. Improving the overall project economics significantly with a company that has a proven track record in delivering these iEPCI projects that we pioneered back in 2017. 23:25 So, in that response you could gather that there is a real value recognition by those clients in that off -- in the offering and the uniqueness of our position within the marketplace. That being said, the pricing is not solely dependent on any one of those groups. It is more general across the board, but we are really, really excited about this ever emerging client base offshore and our ability to capture that is actually quite remarkable.

Ian MacPherson

Analyst

24:06 Yeah, indeed. And so, so with the improved conditions with pricing in your Subsea business, does that impact your view on the 15% Subsea margins, mid-cycle margins that you described at the Capital Markets Day in November. Does that look like it could materialize sooner than you thought four or five months ago because of the increased volume coming into the market now.

Douglas Pferdehirt

Analyst

24:37 Yes.

Ian MacPherson

Analyst

24:40 Okay. All right. Good. If I can ask one more Alf, you mentioned that with Surface 30% incremental margins in Q2, but still with some headwinds from the new facility ramp, would you care to quantify what that impact is, so we can roll forward our thoughts on the second half surface margins.

Alf Melin

Analyst

25:02 Sure, I'll give you some color to that. So, we clearly signaled in the fourth quarter call that we expected an impact from this facility transition. I would say that we signaled at the time that it would be up 200 basis points, I believe it's in that range. The impact that we're seeing in the quarter. And if you are kind of dialing ahead, you think about Q2 performance. I think you need to look at it. I think Surface segment as a function of North American progress where we are seeing the activity continuing to ramp up and continuing to be favorable as well as we mentioned also that we do see pricing and pricing is a focus definite focus for us in the North American market as well. 25:44 But admittedly, the Q2 will continue to be soft on the international side and the Saudi facility was still impact the second quarter. So, really, you will not see the major margin ramp up in Surface until the second half of 2022 and again based on those dynamics of North America, market continuing to do well and we expect to fully, we are taking actions today to be ready to handle all the Middle East orders that we are expecting that will come our way here at towards during the second quarter and onwards. And we are ready for that and we're going to be seeing significantly improving revenue and EBITDA performance in the second half of 2022.

Ian MacPherson

Analyst

26:30 That's perfect. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

26:36 Your next question comes from Arun Jayaram of JPMorgan Chase. Your line is now open.

Arun Jayaram

Analyst

26:46 Yeah. Good morning, good afternoon team. I wanted to -- Doug to zero in on some of your comments around pricing improvement and improving terms and contracts. You booked $1.9 billion of inbound awards in Subsea. I was wondering if that commentary was reflective of the order of your -- 1Q order book or is this more on the come and just thoughts on what the margin profile could look like relative to the 11% to 12% guide you have for this year. Would you expect the newer orders to be kind of accretive to that outlook as you work on the path towards 15% margins, as Ian mentioned in that 2025 timeframe.

Douglas Pferdehirt

Analyst

27:38 Okay. Thank you, Arun. Let me take this opportunity to kind of break down the pricing environment for us between our businesses and globally if you don't mind, in doing so, I'll be able to answer your question. So let's start, two businesses Surface and Subsea. So, let's start with Surface. Two very different markets that we serve in the North American market, the international market. In the North American market, it's almost like a tennis match at this point. It's a constant ballilng, our pricing goes up, inflation goes up, pricing must go up again to maintain that pricing, it's that active. When you go into the international market, there tends to be longer term contracts, frame agreements. And in this scenario, we are actively looking those contracts have pricing mechanism in them, but we are also looking to supplement that with incremental pricing given the current market conditions. Those are ongoing and we would expect to see the impact of those more in the second half of the year. 28:52 Moving to Subsea, there's really two different approaches that are unique to our company. And let me explain those is the 75% in the 25%. So, the 75% is the percentage of our market that is direct awarded. This is through our unique iEPCI offering, our alliance partners, and our services. Here, our clients are truly looking for value creation and are very comfortable and acknowledge the value that we contribute and they want to make sure that we are economically rewarded. So, it is an ongoing discussion in a very comfortable and collaborative environment in which for us to continue to ensure that we are capturing an economic value that is appropriate in what we create, as well as in the environment in which we, the…

Arun Jayaram

Analyst

32:06 Great, thank you for that, for that answer. My follow-up is, I wanted to explore a bit more in detail this path to shareholder distributions, your net debt is at just over $800 million, you plan to pay down about $400 million of gross debt in 2Q. But I was wondering, if you could frame how long the path would get, maybe could you give us some sense of minimum cash requirements to run the business and perhaps the timing and how you think about just in the excess free cash flow to shareholders.

Alf Melin

Analyst

32:48 Absolutely. So, first let me kind of reiterate where we -- what we said at our Analyst Day. So we clearly said that we are committed to shareholder distributions. We said at the time that we are looking for the timing of the second half of 2023. Like we said it was dependent upon reaching a certain target capital structure. That target capital structure consists of gross debt of $1.3 billion and cash of $800 million. So in that statement, kind of we think at this moment in time, we need about $800 million to run the business. Now a longer-term, we can get into whether we can optimize that number further, but at this moment in time, that's the target capital structure. So again that's the $0.5 billion of net debt being described here. 33:38 And if you look further out into this year, obviously, we are -- we had a fairly weak free cash flow generation this quarter, but we remain confident in our full year guidance and that implies that we're going to generate more than $500 million of free cash flow over the remainder of the year. And when you take all that including considering the debt reduction. We are going to get fairly close to reaching that target capital structure by the end of the year. Now the exact timing for whether we can accelerate any shareholder distributions from that point on, I'm not going to comment on the specific timing now. But clearly, we are pleased with the progress that we have made with the debt reductions, that were needed to get there and the ones the plans we have right now with the debt. And then we just launched here last week going after $400 million reduction as you said for this quarter. So, we think the path to get towards the target capital structure is to be there -- trying to be there by year-end is kind of where we're targeting.

Arun Jayaram

Analyst

34:43 Great. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

34:47 Thank you. Your next question comes from Guillaume Delaby of Societe Generale. You're line is now open.

Guillaume Delaby

Analyst

34:58 Yes. Good afternoon because I guess you are in the UK this afternoon. Two questions. Last clarification, if I may. First, Doug, regarding your comments, regarding the breadth of client behavior. Could you maybe give few color regarding IOCs, if you experience, if you see over the last few weeks -- last few months, a change of behavior from IOCs. And then another question will be for Alf maybe after that.

Douglas Pferdehirt

Analyst

35:37 Sure, Gil. Indeed it's good afternoon sitting here in our manufacturing facility where we make umbilicals and it's actually a quite a beautiful day here in New Castle. So, thank you for that. In terms of the IOCs behavior, I don't really want to comment on their behavior, other than to say, we've seen -- we have maintained activity both in terms of front-end studies, both in terms of ongoing projects, both in terms of -- looking at greenfield opportunities and brownfield tiebacks to their existing infrastructure, most of which is producing below nameplate capacity and therefore can be the economics are very attractive to be able to do tie-ins and tie-backs and they're very excited about our all-electric offering and the attributes that it brings and our iEPCI offering because of the ability to be able to deliver nine to 12 months prior or earlier than you would if you split the packages and approach it in a more traditional or more conventional business, or contract. So it not necessarily a reaction over the last couple of weeks. Just an ongoing very constructive dialog and very attractive outlook and with our IOC clients who we -- we cherish very much.

Guillaume Delaby

Analyst

37:21 Thank you very much, Doug. So my second question is for Alf. I would like to try to reconcile and sorry about that. So, the timing in terms of cash flow between Q2, where you want to reduce gross debt by $400 million and H2, where do you expect strong positive free cash flow, given your comments regarding Subsea and to a lesser extent Surface technologies in Q2. Should we assume that in Q2 you might already generate some net free cash flow.

Alf Melin

Analyst

38:10 So thank you very much for the question. So, maybe first to start off with, we are sitting at this point in time with about the $1.2 billion of cash flow. So clearly, some of the existing available cash will be the primary source for the debt reduction for the second quarter. In terms of free cash flow generation for this upcoming quarter versus the rest of the year. It's always, even sitting today, it's always a little bit unpredictable to say exactly how much we will get in the second quarter versus the rest of the year, but I would say that we are at least going to be neutral or trending towards neutral in the second quarter, but it remains as I said in the prepared remarks that the majority of the free cash flow generation is going to come in the second half of the year and to be frank, mostly also in the fourth quarter. So, overall, I mean, the main source is going to be our existing cash in terms of the debt reduction that we're doing.

Guillaume Delaby

Analyst

39:17 Thank you very much. So Q2 is an inflection point.

Operator

Operator

39:26 Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Chase Mulvehill. Your line is now open.

Chase Mulvehill

Analyst

39:53 Hey. Good afternoon, everyone over there. How is everyone doing? I guess, first question, Doug is when we think about inflation, we get a lot of questions from investors around your ability to kind of preserve margin in your current backlog just given raw material inflation. I mean it sounds like that you're trying to step up the terms of conditions on the projects that you're booking today, but maybe could you talk to your backlog, what kind of terms and conditions you have to be able to preserve margin because obviously inflation on the raw materials is increasing quite a bit.

Douglas Pferdehirt

Analyst

40:41 Sure, Chase and good morning to you, and welcome to the call. We're very excited to have you on the call. I appreciate your interest in dialing-in. In terms of the existing -- well, let me back up. What I was explaining to the -- response to the earlier question which is given this new world order in terms of the supply chain and some of the very unique situation, situations that have occurred of recent, what are some of the extraordinary actions that we're taking to ensure that those contracts sufficiently address those scenarios if they should reoccur. And that's what I was, that's what my answer was focused on. 41:30 In terms of the existing contracts, I just want to be very clear, we have had a very disciplined approach in our contractual arrangements where we first and foremost at the time that we actually inbound the order, we typically have 80% to 90% plus of the cost committed. So, we have back to back with our suppliers to ensure that those costs are locked in if you will. We also with our clients have escalation clauses typically tied to indices that protect us in terms of an inflationary environment, so those exist today. I think you can see in the performance that we've had over the last 2.5 years now, which is hard to believe that the period that we've been through have been very resilient and I think it has been widely accepted that our ability to be able to manage the inflationary environment has been, I think, I am proud of the team and I think actually quite, quite remarkable. 42:49 But let me talk about a couple of things that are unique to our company because what I've described there, I believe would…

Chase Mulvehill

Analyst

45:57 Okay. That's very helpful. Appreciate all that color. The real quick follow-up is maybe for Alf. If we kind of, obviously free cash flow was proposed and like a big burn in the first quarter, driven by a big build in working capital, but it's been a few years since I've covered the stock, but I think historically what's happened is when you've gotten large orders you've gotten a lot of prepayments. Now, I guess a lot of the orders were may be smaller orders as opposed to these large orders that you get historically in the past. So I guess maybe when you talked about terms and conditions changing, is this more better more prepayments on some of the smaller orders or what's changing on the prepayment side if anything, as we go forward.

Alf Melin

Analyst

46:50 Yes, Mulvehill. Thanks for the question. So, maybe first just clarify to be really sure when we go backwards in time that obviously there is a big difference between when we had the TechnipEnergies as part of our business versus, versus now, to the size of these advances and prepayments on an individual order basis is going to be smaller in general, but they are still a significant part of what we do and it's correct that when we, when we target new awards, we are always targeting to have what we call it a working capital neutral or better position throughout the life of the project. Now, as you said, this is an area where it has been, maybe going in the wrong direction for us during these tougher times and certainly part of what Doug, described as tightening up the commercial terms and conditions. Looking at the payment structure of our contracts is certainly part of that. 47:40 When you just then look at the advanced payments or prepayments as is column themselves. I would kind of say, they are not necessarily always awarded totally concise -- to coincide with the signing of the contract. So, for some of them that could be dependent on an early activity, some sort of early mobilization, early engineering, early procurement, so you may sometimes see a lag between when the awards are coming and when you actually see some of the impact due to the working capital into the advances. Hopefully, that helps you a little bit, but it's true that this is a focus for us, we look for prepayments and we look for them to be early in the contract, but again dependent on some milestones.

Chase Mulvehill

Analyst

48:29 Okay. All right, Makes sense. I'll turn it back over. Thanks everybody.

Operator

Operator

48:38 Thank you. Your next question comes from Bertrand Hodee of Kepler Cheuvreux. Your line is now open.

Bertrand Hodee

Analyst

48:47 Yes. Hello, and thank you for taking my question. A question on the CTO model you rightly explained at the Capital Market Day last year that volumes is critical to which and delivers a full benefit of the CTO model. Given your outlook for Subsea order intake, when do you think you would be in a position to deliver the full benefits from the CTO model in the coming quarters or when do you think you will be able to do really fully deliver the benefits.

Douglas Pferdehirt

Analyst

49:38 Thank you. A very intriguing question. So let me start by saying you have to go through the training -- if the -- develop the technology go for the transformation to be able to have the ability to be able to realize the benefit, then it really becomes a factor of two things. One is gross volume and two is, let's call it net volume or the volume associated with the most levered industrial, industrialized product platform that we have, which today is Subsea 2.0 and we started with trees and we moved to controls and we're moving to umbilicals and so it will eventually grow across the whole platform. So it's an ever evolving opportunity set for us and I think that's important that we expect Subsea 2.0 to represent 50% of our inbound, over the next couple of years. So, that's important. 50:45 Well, let me back up. Let's start with the gross inbound. So we've obviously seen the growth in the gross, in the gross inbound since 2019 and we obviously delivered a strong inbound last year of $5 billion. We indicated $6.5 billion this year, we booked $1.9 billion in the first quarter. We had a book to bill of $1.5 billion, something we haven't experienced sense, Q1, Q2 of 2019. So for the past three years. So the growth is stacking up very nicely. Then there is the net or there is the portion of that, that really benefits, mostly from the CTO model, so we're saying 50% of Subsea 2.0 over the next two years. Beyond that, we will continue to expand the Subsea 2.0 product platform across our entire product offering. So, you will continue to build upon that and that is this ever, never ending drive towards industrialization. So, we have a very specific focus on this in the company in everything that we do and we're seeing some real benefits today, but we'll see a cumulative and compounding benefit as we continue to move forward.

Bertrand Hodee

Analyst

52:11 Yeah. Thank you very much, Doug. And a follow-up question on the frame agreement with Total Energies. Total Energies, especially in Angola in Block 17, has many, many tieback opportunity, but I'm not yet convinced by the iEPCI or am I misunderstood, it's a frame agreement Subsea 2.0, but they're are not going yet to the iEPCI concept.

Douglas Pferdehirt

Analyst

52:53 I don't necessarily agree with you, but I don't think it's appropriate for me to comment. I think I'll leave that up to the customer and when we announce our awards.

Bertrand Hodee

Analyst

53:04 Okay. I was just speculating. I have no view on total choice. I was just thinking that because of the squamous agreement, it was not an iEPCI approach, but I think you for answered my question, telling me I was wrong. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

53:30 Thank you. Your next question comes from Marc Bianchi of Cowen. Your line is now open.

Marc Bianchi

Analyst

53:38 Hey, thanks. Just a quick clarification first and I think, I think it's straightforward. But I just want to be sure. The guidance for the second quarter or the outlook for the second quarter was just at the segment level. And if there is any FX, up or down in the second quarter. That wouldn't be reflected in the segment so essentially the guidance you've provided excludes any changes in FX. Is that correct?

Douglas Pferdehirt

Analyst

54:06 That is correct.

Marc Bianchi

Analyst

54:07 Okay. Thanks for that. And then, on the orders, so 40% from these smaller customers and then in the second quarter you should get some benefit from a higher services inbound and recognition potentially Yellowtail being recorded in that quarter. It would seem that there is a chance you're may be flat sequentially on the order outlook or at least above what would be needed to kind of be on track for that 30%. So, I'm wondering if that, if that's the right way to think about it or if there were some other unusually positive benefits in the first quarter that would cause the second quarter to be dramatically lower.

Douglas Pferdehirt

Analyst

54:54 We at this point from what we can -- our view of the second quarter will absolutely support the 30% improvement in our inbound orders. So again Q1 clearly does, Q1 times four. I'm not suggesting anything by saying that I'm just saying it clearly supports that. We expect Q2 to be above of 1.0 book-to-bill again. And when we look at the second half, we look at the second half in total to be above 1.0 book-to-bill. So we remain very confident in our inbound outlook.

Marc Bianchi

Analyst

55:36 Yes. Super. Thanks so much. Doug, I'll turn it back.

Operator

Operator

55:41 Thank you. Your last question comes from Jean-Luc Romain of CIC Market Solutions. Your line is now open.

Jean-Luc Romain

Analyst

55:52 Good afternoon. I was wondering how much of your inbound in the first quarter comes from carbon capture project, is there some or when do you expect your various collaborations for instance with Talos to bring about contracts for you.

Douglas Pferdehirt

Analyst

56:17 Good afternoon, John-Luc. Thank you for the question. In the Q1 inbound, there was no carbon capture inbound recognized in that number that we provided. That was a pure Subsea number. The projects with Talos are advancing well. The opportunity set is actually expanding and we are well into the feed study on several projects and the level of collaboration and market impact, that -- our relationship with Talos is having we're just really, really glad to be partner with Talos and are looking forward to announcing awards in the future.

Jean-Luc Romain

Analyst

57:02 Thank you.

Operator

Operator

57:11 No more questions. Speakers, please continue.

Matt Seinsheimer

Analyst

57:21 This concludes our first quarter conference call. A replay of our call will be available on our website beginning at approximately 8:00 PM, British Summer Time today. If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact the Investor Relations team. Thanks for joining us. Operator, you may end the call.

Operator

Operator

57:39 This concludes today's conference. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.