David Gandler
Analyst · Clark Lampen with BTIG
Sorry, John, just one more thing. Clark, this is David. Just around NBC, I understand that it's a concern. But as I mentioned before, we believe that it's very important for us to be able to provide various packaging across a spectrum where we're able to offer consumers enough flexibility. And it's very important to note that the Fubo Sports service which is a linear version of our legacy Fubo package, which includes NBC, is actually performing very well. We haven't been marketing it very hard. It continues to grow. Trial conversion rates are very high. And more importantly, when you look at -- I think that package is now in the third or fourth month. When you look at it from a retention perspective, retention is actually about 30% above what the legacy plan is. And so when I think about a future in the short term that might or may not include NBC, I think this package has a significant opportunity to grow. It fits very nicely into the overall ecosystem with YouTube TV sitting in that sort of $80-plus range. And then you have the ESPN, FOX One bundle, which, if I'm not mistaken, is in that sort of high 30s range. And with our promotional pricing of $45.99 or $44.99, this is a very attractive entry point to get access to local NFL games, college football and a very strong portfolio of programming. So again, basically, what we're seeing now is just strong KPIs across that package. And as I mentioned before, with ESPN, if we can -- I mean if we can figure out very quickly, which as you've heard we're doing, we should be able to drive a tremendous amount of traffic at some point when we go live with them. There are 2 different opportunities that we've been focused on. The first really is around marketing. Think of what YouTube is able to do for YouTube TV from a top of the funnel perspective. ESPN engages with 4 out of 5 adults in the United States. So if we can just leverage that, that should have a significant impact on our blended SAC numbers. And frankly, we could be a lot more measured and disciplined around how we market. So that's just one angle. And the second one in the commerce flow, again, this is another area where not only it would open up the funnel, but at the same time, I think it would have a pretty significant retention metrics around it, just given the fact that this would be part of an ESPN umbrella or ID. So all of these things, I think, are positive. And I think this gives us a chance to continue to grow. We've demonstrated our ability to grow, losing partners in the past. And our goal is to continue to grow this product and reach new highs.