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Q4 2024 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 6, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Genpact Limited's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2024 Earnings Call. My name is Carmen, and I will be your conference moderator for today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. We will conduct a question and answer session towards the end of this conference call. As a reminder, this call is being recorded for replay purposes. The replay of the call will be archived and made available on the IR section of Genpact Limited's website. I would now like to turn the call over to Chris Davis, Head of Investor Relations at Genpact Limited. Please proceed.

Chris Davis

Head of Investor Relations

Thank you, Carmen. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Genpact Limited's Q4 2024 earnings conference call. We hope you had a chance to read our earnings press release which was posted on the investor relations section of our website, genpact.com. Today, we have with us BK Kalra, President and CEO, and Mike Weiner, Chief Financial Officer. BK will start with a high-level overview of the quarter and year, and then Mike will cover our financial performance in greater detail before we take your questions. Please note that during this call, we will make forward-looking statements including statements about our business outlook, strategies, and long-term goals. These comments are based on our plans, predictions, and expectations as of today, which may change over time. Actual results could differ materially due to a number of important risks and uncertainties including the risk factors in our 10-K, and 10-Q filings with the SEC. Also during this call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. We have reconciled those to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures in our earnings press release. These non-GAAP measures are not intended to be a substitute for our GAAP results. And finally, this call in its entirety is being webcast from our investor relations website and an audio replay and transcript will be available on our website in a few hours. And with that, I'd like to turn it over to BK.

BK Kalra

President and CEO

Thank you, Krista. Hello, everyone. And thank you for joining us today. I'm pleased to report another strong quarter with better than expected performance. Revenue in Q4 reached $1.25 billion, up 9% year over year. Importantly, Datatech AI is beginning to show its potential, up 12% year over year, with accelerating revenue growth for the fourth quarter in a row. Digital operational growth also accelerated, up 6% year over year. Gross margin and adjusted operating income margin also exceeded expectations in Q4 as we continue to deliver operating efficiency, even while investing for growth. Taking a broader view, I am proud of what we accomplished in 2024. We built a strong foundation significantly strengthening our execution and innovation muscle. We closed fourteen large deals in line with last year, but with 10% higher booking in aggregate across this cohort. Revenue for the year grew 6.5%, approximately 400 basis points above the midpoint of our initial guidance range. Operating cash flow grew 25%, adjusted diluted EPS grew 10% year over year, faster than revenue, for the fourth year in a row. And we ended 2024 with new bookings of $5.7 billion, up 15% year over year after exceptionally strong performance in 2023. As we enter 2025, innovation is front and center at Genpact Limited. It's clear that businesses need to move beyond generic AI to domain-specific intelligence, tailored to their industry needs. To meet this need, we are excited to announce the general availability of our first agentic solution for accounts payable. This is the first in a series of agentic solutions that we will bring to market in our digital operations business. Powered by appropriate LLM, our solution leverages Gen AI and machine learning models to automate invoice extraction, driving superior value through this innovative approach. Paragentix solutions are built…

Mike Weiner

Chief Financial Officer

I'll start with our fourth quarter results before moving on to full-year results and guidance. Results for the fourth quarter exceeded our expectations. We are particularly pleased with our strong revenue growth which was broad-based across all segments with particular strength in data tech and AI. Turning to our fourth quarter income statement. On an as-reported basis, net revenue reached $1.25 billion, a 9% year-over-year increase. Data, tech, and AI achieved revenue of $595 million, a 12% increase, fueled by strong demand for data and technology solutions. Data tech and AI contributed 48% of total quarterly revenue. Digital operations, which represented 52% of total revenue, grew 6% to $654 million supported by the successful ramp-ups of large-scale deals. Revenue from priority accounts grew approximately 9% year over year, representing 64% of fourth-quarter revenue. We delivered healthy growth in the fourth quarter across all three vertical segments. Consumer and healthcare revenue increased 11%, high-tech and manufacturing increased 9%, and financial services increased 6%. Outcome and consumption-based deals excluding fixed fee contracts accounted for 21% of fourth-quarter revenue. Our strategic shift to these deals positions us well to capture higher margin opportunities while delivering even greater value to our clients. Turning to profitability, we expanded gross margin by 10 basis points year over year in the fourth quarter to 35.7% due to operating leverage. SG&A expenses were 20% of revenue compared to 20.7% of revenue in the prior year, reflecting our continued investments in strategic growth areas as well as streamlined operations and enhanced productivity. Adjusted operating income was $221 million and adjusted operating income margin was 17.7%. Our effective tax rate for the fourth quarter was 22.3% compared to our prior year rate that was favorably impacted by a nonrecurring tax benefit from an intercompany transfer of intellectual property. Net income…

Chris Davis

Operator

Thank you, Mike. Carmen, we're ready to take questions. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you so much. And as a reminder to our audience, to ask a question, simply press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To remove yourself, press star one one again. One moment for our first question. And it's from the line of Puneet Jain with JPMorgan. Please proceed.

Puneet Jain

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please proceed

Hey. Thanks for taking my question and great quarter. I wanted to ask on the guide, specifically as it relates to Data Tech AI and digital operations. It seems like from the guidance, Data Tech AI UX is expected to slow down beyond Q1. Part of it could be tough comps. But I'd like to ask if there is anything else going on and same question on digital operations, but like, the quote is expected to accelerate. So what drives that acceleration rest of the year beyond Q1 in taxes?

Mike Weiner

Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. So let me kick this off and hand over to you, BK. I want to put some additional comments, Deed. So, Puneet, as you know, approximately 75% of our business we call annuitized. That's business that we have that's converted to bookings that where it's converted to revenue that we've very good line of sight to and confidence in. The other 25% of revenue, we have to convert that pipeline to bookings into revenue in the immediate quarter. So obviously, as you go out later in the year, you have less visibility into it. So I'd say that when we came up with our guide for the full year on a quarterly basis, we gave you the first quarter already, it reflects a prudent approach that takes into account the annuitized book of the business as well as the non-annuitized book of the business which is disproportionately affected or results in data tech and AI. In addition to it, as you alluded to, it's a little bit tougher comps in the second half of the year. So we're committed to providing guidance on a quarterly basis and see how it goes from there.

Puneet Jain

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please proceed

Understood. Understood. And then on Gen AI, BK, you talked about, like, implementing some solutions. Some of them are live for clients. Are you seeing, like, an increase in size of some of those contracts as it relates to revenue you can generate from those engagements?

BK Kalra

President and CEO

So what we are seeing, Puneet, is that as we implement these Gen AI solutions, there are many follow-on conversations and contracts that we are getting, be it with our existing customers or new customers, because they are seeing the benefit and the value, you know, that we are able to drive. And that has been also the genesis of the Gigafactory that we recently launched, where it is helping clients to move from proof of concept or pilots to getting to large-scale production enterprise-wide, at a faster pace. So short answer, as we always say, you know, we see Gen AI as our total addressable market enhancer for us. And we continue to see that play out in our pipeline, in our conversations, and in our revenues.

Puneet Jain

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please proceed

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Maggie Nolan with William Blair. Please proceed.

Maggie Nolan

Analyst · Maggie Nolan with William Blair. Please proceed

Hi. Thank you. On that topic of the Agentix Solutions, as we think about the guidance that you just gave, revenue guidance for 2025, what pace of hiring should we expect to be associated with that revenue guidance given the rollout of these types of solutions?

BK Kalra

President and CEO

Thanks, Maggie. I'll take that question. Look, I think, first, we are filled with the innovation posture that is taking hold in the market and a little bit of the first mover advantage that we are at the early stages beginning to harness. And long-term, medium to long-term, we will see a cadence of revenue higher than, you know, the typical hiring that has happened over the last same four or five years. In the short term, we are needing more of data technology skills that we are ramping to hire. So I don't think each quarter on quarter, you will see a massive shift, but there is a massive shift that is getting driven inside the company. Higher skilled as well as we are retraining and rearchitecting our current skill base through internal build programs, through genome programs, for the skills that are needed in the coming world. Yeah. And I would say the cost structure associated with all of that that we're doing is represented in the plan that we laid out.

Maggie Nolan

Analyst · Maggie Nolan with William Blair. Please proceed

Got it. And then as we think about your business overall and how you might apply these new technologies going forward, what's kind of the balance between maybe more horizontal type solutions like this accounts payable solution or just accounts payable type work, horizontal work that you're doing versus domain-specific work that you're doing, and how do you view applicability of the emerging technology across those two buckets?

BK Kalra

President and CEO

So I think as we look at business, Maggie, it is a combination of horizontal and vertical domain-specific solutions. So the example that you're taking as an accounts payable, yeah, it is more horizontal or certain pieces from a supply chain standpoint are more horizontal. But similar posture, we are increasing in the insurance business, which is more around claims or underwriting or in our banking operation or, for example, trade promotion and CPG. So the posture is similar, and I think we are, you know, it is both into the industry verticals that we play in, as well as the intersection of the horizontals of finance or supply chain or procurement or others. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. That comes from Sean Kennedy with Mizuho. Please proceed.

Sean Kennedy

Analyst · Mizuho. Please proceed

Good evening, and thank you for taking my question. Congrats on the results. So I was wondering how Gen AI is expecting companies' trust and safety business, specifically content moderation in terms of potential and challenges. Know, for the business. And, also, could policy changes like the ones Meta recently made happen a sec on it? Thank you.

BK Kalra

President and CEO

So I'll take that, Sean. Thanks. So just as a reminder, content moderation or similar represents less than 10% of Genpact Limited's revenue. So it is not a significant portion of Genpact Limited's revenue, point number one. Point number two, the specifics that you are asking or many other such initiatives, you know, we stay in constant touch with our clients and we are only seeing increased intimacy with our clients. And the specific as in a fact check, you know, that those are the kind of work that we do not do. So we don't see that impact. But more importantly, we stay in very active touch with all of our clients. And we see a continued progression towards, you know, what our goals are and what our client's goals are, but we don't see any threat, you know, that you are if you are alluding to in.

Sean Kennedy

Analyst · Mizuho. Please proceed

But is there an opportunity to use AI to kind of combat some of the kind of malicious content? Yeah. AI is kind of a threat in terms of content moderation. Like, is there opportunity there as well?

BK Kalra

President and CEO

So the short answer is yes. However, as you are dealing with large technology players, they obviously have their solution sets as well, Sean. Then they are actively engaging and, you know, we are an integral part of the solution, and we bring all those innovations to their doorstep as well. So it's a combination of factors where these large technology companies deploy their toolset or in certain cases, we deploy the toolset for them.

Sean Kennedy

Analyst · Mizuho. Please proceed

Great. I appreciate the color. Congrats again on the quarter.

BK Kalra

President and CEO

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Burke with TD Cowen. Please proceed.

Brian Burke

Analyst · Brian Burke with TD Cowen. Please proceed

Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Thank you. BK, one year in the role now, as you look back on 2024, where would you say you've made the most progress and where now are you going to be most focused in 2025? I'm curious if it is about just merely scaling and executing upon the initiatives that have been installed over the past year or are there additional actions you're aiming to lean into?

BK Kalra

President and CEO

So thanks, Brian. Look, I think where I would say the most impact has been in the execution, agility, and the execution framework that I spoke of in 2024, be it the three plus one or other elements. And what I'm really thrilled about is how innovation is also taking hold. So it is not just scaling up what we did in 2024, that is table stakes, and you'll see some reflections of innovation already taking hold in terms of Gigafactory, in terms of AI value studio, in terms of services, agent tech solution. These are all new postures of Genpact Limited, and I think those are truly exciting as to how it is getting embraced, be it in our all of the global employee base, but more importantly also with our clients. So truly, innovation is where our focus is, and execution agility is the table stakes.

Mike Weiner

Chief Financial Officer

Right. If I may just add on, one thing BK has done and we've seen quarter after quarter and that's really going to be a big focus of ours in 2025 is speed. Right? So we absolutely understand how fast the outside world is moving. Right? And we are committed to keeping up, if not exceeding that speed in terms of our own execution and changes in the organization. I think that's a key focus for us in 2025.

Brian Burke

Analyst · Brian Burke with TD Cowen. Please proceed

Okay. That's helpful. My follow-up is on bookings. So 15% growth here is solid off of already solid bookings the prior year. I see there's a there is some definitional change. It looks like it's duration, basically. Can you just clarify on that? And then can you give any sense on how ACV has trended here over the last year?

Mike Weiner

Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. So let me quickly take that. So, yeah, we do we have changed some of the definition of our bookings. So previously, we had capped our bookings in aggregate to five years. And again, didn't really make that much of a difference. But we have seen over the last couple of years, greater than five-year aggregated bookings. And to be in line with the industry, we've moved to an uncapped level of bookings. So, again, previously, if we did I'm making this up. A seven-year booking, we would reflect five of those seven years. Right? We're moving to more of an industry standard. Also, if you think about it, it really wasn't a material number for us. But again, over the last couple of years, we've seen the duration of those things expanding. ACV? Yes. So I think what you're alluding to in ACV is when you think about our deals, yeah, the mixture of our deals continues to change. Right? So if you think about when we had the low over, you know, 26% bookings, in the prior year, those deals tended to be on the larger side, longer tenure deals. Right? So you would reflect less ACV in the next year. Obviously, this year, it's a little bit more even-keeled in what represents that 15% number in terms of the duration of the deals. So it's not really comparable when you think about it from that perspective.

Brian Burke

Analyst · Brian Burke with TD Cowen. Please proceed

Okay. Understood. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Surinder Thind with Jefferies. Please proceed.

Surinder Thind

Analyst · Surinder Thind with Jefferies. Please proceed

Thank you. BK, I'd like to start with a big picture question around just the talent, the need for what I would call more technical talent at this point. How are you thinking about that in terms of it seems like as you accelerate innovation, you're looking for more software type skills. Is that a fair characterization that the build-out is more of those? And then, ultimately, how do you answer if someone was to say, well, you guys are IT services firms, whereas you're not a software development firm. And so is AI partly a software solution that maybe should be the expertise of those outside, or is it more of a domain-specific solution? Because there's a lot of money being thrown at software companies trying to build or better business processes.

BK Kalra

President and CEO

So let me take, possibly your second question first, Surinder, and then I'll tie it up with your first question, if that's okay. Look. We are a solutions firm that brings in not just services, but also software or other elements of accelerator together to solve business problems at scale for our clients. And what I would say is that fundamentally, many of these software the ERPs, more recently SaaS, all of those existed, you know, we know SaaS came in, you know, for the last almost eight, ten years. Yet at the keystroke level, there is a lot that needs to happen at scale. What we are doing is that intersection of domain, intersection of function, with the industry expertise, building solutions including software, that solves the problem at the keystroke level at scale. And what I would say is that, yeah, you can throw a lot of money at it, but you need to have a body of experience that is documented at scale over a period of time to understand the exceptions across industries, to truly build that knowledge and build into software. And to service that is how we are hiring point number your question number one. Talent around data technology, AI at scale. And one of the key value propositions for this talent is seeing in action the sandbox that doesn't exist, you know, generally available in software companies. And I think we are that last mile that enables a lot of these generic AI. Also, the foundation models or tools or SaaS and truly convert business value and creation of business value for our clients. And I think our progress on talent has been terrific. We continue to fuel that more, and it is, you know, we are seeing various channels to accelerate that technology talent journey. I'm really thrilled as to where we are at the end of 2024 and continue to make progress as we enter in 2025.

Surinder Thind

Analyst · Surinder Thind with Jefferies. Please proceed

That's helpful. And then as a follow-up, related to that, how do you think about M&A at this point? Is that something that can be used to bring in additional capabilities, accelerate development, or does the innovation, because it is so domain-specific, have to be done much more organically?

BK Kalra

President and CEO

So our capital allocation methodology and principles stay the same. We constantly are evaluating similar M&A opportunities, and that's through a very disciplined financial approach and strategic thesis that where we cannot build organic capabilities at the speed that we need, we will, you know, deploy the M&A posture in there. And it is also integral to building the technology talent as well. But, again, this is a very, very disciplined approach. And if something materializes, obviously, you all will get to know. But it is an integral part of the strategy cost.

Surinder Thind

Analyst · Surinder Thind with Jefferies. Please proceed

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And as a reminder, to ask a question, simply press star one one to get in the queue. We have a question from the line of Bradley Clark with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed.

Bradley Clark

Analyst · Bradley Clark with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed

Hi. Thanks for taking my question, and nice results. I want to go back to generative AI. You've been consistent in expressing that this is a TAM expander for Genpact Limited. I want to understand in the project that you're working on and sort of guidance and conversation with customers in 2025. Is generative AI being funded for services products with net new dollars or is it in part coming at the expense of some more legacy work? Trying to understand if the spend in generative AI solutions that you'll be deploying is net new spend because I understand it could be net new to the market, but I'm trying to understand near where that spend is coming from. Thank you.

BK Kalra

President and CEO

Sure, Bradley. Look, I think what we observed in 2024 was that it was more a shift of the dollars than net new incremental dollars. And it could be a combination of factors as I speak to clients all the time. From, hey. Where they are, including experimenting because I do not know of a client. I do not know of a client. Who did not experiment into AI in 2024. Whether with us or with other, you know, partners. And, therefore, you know, what we saw in our book with our clients, you know, a lot of those successful journeys gave them confidence to continue to build in that momentum, but to your specific question, it was more a shift of the dollars. Now we will see how 2025 pans out. But at a broad macro level, what we saw was more a shift of the dollars than incremental dollars.

Bradley Clark

Analyst · Bradley Clark with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed

Appreciate the insight, and congrats again.

BK Kalra

President and CEO

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And this concludes the Q&A, and I will pass it back to management for closing comments.

BK Kalra

President and CEO

Thank you. And before we go, I just want to say thanks to all of our clients for choosing Genpact Limited. And to all of our shareholders, for their ongoing support. We are excited to keep innovating, and we look forward to talking to you again next quarter and hosting many of you at our Analyst Day in June. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And with that, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for participating.