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Operator
Operator
Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Melanie, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Gap Inc. Fourth Quarter 2012 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to introduce your host, Katrina O'Connell, Vice President of Investor Relations.
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Katrina O'Connell
Analyst
Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Gap Inc.'s Fourth Quarter 2012 Earnings Conference Call. For those of you participating in the webcast, please turn to Slides 2 and 3. I'd like to remind you that the information made available on this webcast and conference call contains forward-looking statements. For information on factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from the forward-looking statements, as well as reconciliations of measures we are required to reconcile to GAAP financial measures, please refer to today's press release, as well as our most recent annual report on Form 10-K and our most recent quarterly report on Form 10-Q, all of which are available on gapinc.com. These forward-looking statements are based on information as of February 28, 2013, and we assume no obligation to publicly update or revise our forward-looking statements. Joining us on the call today are Chairman and CEO, Glenn Murphy; and Executive Vice President and CFO, Sabrina Simmons. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Glenn.
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Glenn K. Murphy
Analyst
Thank you, Katrina, and welcome, everybody, to the company's fourth quarter earnings call. I want to talk a little bit about the fourth quarter and give you some color around it. I think it's important when you end a fiscal year for you to hear what I think were the accomplishments for Gap Inc. in 2012. So in the fourth quarter, we were pleased with our sales. Five comp, 10% total sales. Yes, the 53rd week was in that. But at the end of the day, when you back that out, we had a market share gaining quarter and that's what's important to me, not only for us to have good execution, to gain customers, put the product in front of customers that is right for each one of our brands, but to go out and actually gain market share. One of the areas that's worth highlighting is our online business was up 28%, and that was a very good performance by, as everybody knows, a critical part of the company's long-term growth strategy. We had a $0.73 in earnings per share and that was a 66% increase over the year before. So on the surface, those are very good-looking numbers for Gap Inc. With that said, we believe there's a lot more business to be had for us in December. When I look at the business and dissect it, and spend time with the teams after the holidays, we still have quite a bit of opportunity available to us and value to unlock between Thanksgiving and Christmas. Now the consumer patterns are really shifting and you have this big amount of business being done around Thanksgiving and Black Friday and a lot of business being done the last 3 days before Christmas. We got to figure out the 3…
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Sabrina L. Simmons
Analyst
Thank you, Glenn. Good afternoon, everyone. I'll begin today with a review of our fourth quarter and full-year results and then provide an overview of our outlook for 2013. Please turn to Slide 4. We are very pleased with both our fourth quarter and full-year performance. We achieved our stated 2012 objectives, namely, increasing sales with healthy merchandise margins; prudently investing in our business; and growing earnings per share. Here are some highlights for the full year: Net sales grew 8% to $15.7 billion, with comps up 5%. We invested in product, marketing and payroll, which drove successful results in North America. In addition we made investments to support our strategy of expanding through new channels and geographies. Even with these investments, we expanded our operating margin 250 basis points to 12.4%. We delivered earnings of over $1.1 billion and grew earnings per share nearly 50% to $2.33. And finally, we distributed $1.3 billion of cash to shareholders through share repurchases and dividends. Please turn to Slide 5 for our earnings recap. In the fourth quarter, operating income was $602 million, up $230 million, and net income was $351 million, up $133 million. Fourth quarter earnings per share increased 66% to $0.73 per share. Turning to Slide 6. Sales performance. Driven by solid product acceptance, fourth quarter total sales were $4.7 billion, up 10% including the 53rd week, with comp sales up 5%. Full-year total sales were up 8% to $15.7 billion and comparable sales were up 5% for the year. Total sales and comps by division are listed in our press release. Turning to Slide 7, gross profit. For the fourth quarter, gross profit dollars grew by 26% to $1.8 billion, and gross margin was up 480 basis points to 37.6%. Our merchandise margins were up 370 basis points,…
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Katrina O'Connell
Analyst
Thanks, Sabrina. That concludes our prepared remarks. We'll now open up the call to questions [Operator Instructions].
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Operator
Operator
We'll take our first question from Betty Chen with Wedbush Securities.
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Betty Y. Chen - Wedbush Securities Inc., Research Division
Analyst
I was wondering, Glenn, if you can talk a little bit about brand building. Certainly, it sounds like the team made a lot of effort and progress in 2012. If you can kind of run us through where each brand stands in your mind in terms of how much additional opportunity is left both domestically, and especially, you talked about how important it is to build that in China. Where do you think they've sort of made progress in that front and how does that relate into sort of what we should expect for marketing expenses in 2013?
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Glenn K. Murphy
Analyst
Betty, I'll answer the first part of it. Then I'll hand it over to Sabrina on the second part. There's 2 parts from our perspective when it comes to the reasons why we spend marketing at all. So there's always a fixed part of marketing inside of our budget, in our store signage, windows, then there's a variable component, which are choices we make that we expect a return from. I'd say there's no need for any marketing domestically on awareness, whereas in China, most of our marketing and the tactics and the tools we're using are all about driving awareness. So in the U.S., and let me just focus around Gap, I think we started to gain some confidence about 18 months ago on New York City and the creative center, what the team was putting together, how we thought product was going to come to life in spring 2011. We brought a brand-new CMO in, who's going to be in charge of the globe. He developed a very good platform and that's the reason we decided to put some money, almost exclusively, in our domestic Gap business. While awareness has really not moved in, I don't know how far back, but certainly since I've been here, the issue was about relevance and building equity and being much more current to the customers that we were targeting on our domestic business. So from my Scorecard, there's no such thing as the perfect outcome when it came to the marketing being invested, but we felt good with what the Gap team did. We felt it was, again, the platform was authentic. It was appropriate for the brand. I think that as I said in my opening comments, the choice of media was also, I think, smartly done, finding the right…
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Sabrina L. Simmons
Analyst
Yes, and just to add to that, we don't specifically guide to marketing spend and we do that purposefully because we like to keep flexibility throughout the year as to monitoring the marketing effectiveness and actually making decisions about how much we want to invest given business environment. So not a lot to say on the full year. To be helpful on the first quarter, what I'll tell you is we have no plans to cut marketing expense versus last year for the first quarter.
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Operator
We will take our next question from Kimberly Greenberger with Morgan Stanley.
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Kimberly C. Greenberger - Morgan Stanley, Research Division
Analyst · Morgan Stanley.
Glenn, I was wondering, if you could just talk about how you managed through the -- balancing the need to improve product execution and come up with some of those big ideas that you were talking about on the merchandising side? How do you sort of balance that while managing the risk in the business? And what sort of management tools do the merchants and the designers have at their disposal to manage that as well?
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Glenn K. Murphy
Analyst · Morgan Stanley.
Well, I think you know that our business is not based on perfection. It's based on precision. It's based on history. It's based on talent. Trust me, we have more than enough tools, which I'm not going to take you through, Kimberly, but we have more than enough tools that the team can measure in hindsight, in market to get a sense, the decisions that we were making. The most important thing for me that the team has developed over the last couple of years, which we never had before, was to get a very early read at the beginning of a season from product that goes online, which tends to go on first before our product gets in the store. And we used to look at that result and use it more to cheer the accomplishments we had in that given season. And the last couple of years, we use it to read very quickly what is -- what are we learning from that online and how do we affect the upcoming season or how do we affect product in that season that's going to last longer than 12 weeks? So -- and this is not again -- this is not a revolutionary move for us, but our ability [indiscernible] -- for us to chase into good ideas and to make sure the merchants, because the design team has done their job now, the merchants and the inventory management team and the sourcing team and the supply chain team are working in tandem. We've redesigned that whole process, whereby the minute the read comes out and we see an opportunity, we can move on that very quickly, which really accomplishes one of the goals that Sabrina and I have been working on since we started together, which was to…
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Operator
Operator
We'll take our next question from Janet Kloppenburg with JJK Research.
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Janet Kloppenburg
Analyst · JJK Research.
I had a question. I'm excited about your announced expansion plans and about the fact that your store closing program is going to conclude this year, at least that's my understanding. And I'm wondering then if we should look for -- I think we should look for the differentiating point between sales and total sales and comps to begin to widen. And I'm wondering if in fiscal '14, if we could look for that differential to become even broader as the store closing program becomes much smaller. Just so that we could model out our sales. And if you could touch on your opportunity for AUC opportunity this year, that would be helpful as well.
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Glenn K. Murphy
Analyst · JJK Research.
Well, I would say, Janet, that, that's certainly directionally correct. We -- we've been working on the total growth of the business and it starts with a very strong base. And that's what's most important to us, that's where our volume is. So let's call that domestic business -- domestic stores within the domestic brands including some Europe, including Japan that make up our comp pool. So this year having done a 5 comp, which the business felt good about, I think that was not only gain market share from a comp perspective, but I think that's sort of the health of the business now. We have 1 more, what I'd say, big year, which is 2013. There's always going to be in a fleet of 3,200 to 3,300 stores. I'm just throwing a number out. There's always going to be 30, 40, 50 stores that you've got to reposition or close because the consumer is going to dictate that. But at the end of the day, are massive change and it's really significant what we've done in the last 8 years -- sorry, the last 5 years, starting 2008, with 1 more year to ago. But what that's going to help is that our spread, which is what you're referring to, the delta between our comp store sales and our total store sales, there's been a drag on that spread with the fairly sizable number of closures we've had inside the business, mostly at Gap brand. But there's been some sprinkled across different parts of the world as well. But I think it is one of our goals, it's not the most important goal in the business, but we look at some of our global competitors in 2012 who also had a 5 comp and in some cases, they…
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Sabrina L. Simmons
Analyst · JJK Research.
And the only thing I'd add to what Glenn said is that's all absolutely true sort of assuming currencies hold constant. So for example, in 2013, the point we were trying to make is obviously, that's spread between comp because comp is FX neutral. The spread between comp and total sales will be impacted by the foreign currency headwind in Japan. So that's just something to watch. And then with regards to the AUC opportunity, I would say for '13, Janet, I mean, Q1 is the last quarter where in 2012, we were still facing headwinds. So we have a little bit of benefit there in Q1. After that I would say it's sort of normalized, it becomes sort of a nonissue. And we're just sort of going to manage through [ph] and without the big swings up or the big swings down that we had in '11 and '12.
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Operator
We'll go next to John Morris with BMO Capital Markets.
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John D. Morris - BMO Capital Markets U.S.
Analyst
Glenn, can you talk a little bit about the progress that you're making at Old Navy under the new team? What can customers expect to see differently this year because I think we'll see more from the new Old team, what will they expect to see differently compared to the old, Old Navy? How will the point of view in terms of the product, et cetera, evolve?
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Glenn K. Murphy
Analyst
I think the first thing, John, that's worth noting is that Stefan has been here just under 6 months and when we brought him in, it's because he believed in the brand and, most importantly, the brand positioning, which was a nonnegotiable and the customers that Old Navy goes after. Mostly that it's a family brand. And we didn't want to have to revisit the notion that people can come in and put their own impression on the brand. The brand is what it is. Stefan has come in to improve it and evolve the brand. And I would say what customers are going to see is, even before Stefan was involved, the team that was there previously, I'm willing to say that they were making improvements in this first quarter, in terms of product assortment, that was better than the quarter before in 2012. Now it's our job to translate that into greater sales and greater earnings, but they were already making improvements. I'd say he's going to have 2 impacts that should be noticeable to our customer. I think he's been working vigorously with the team on the assortment. And a little less -- like what I said to Kimberly, a little less about tightening it up, although I'm sure that's going to be one of the outcomes. I'd say that he's very big on building dominant categories. I think he's helping with the fashion part of the business that is right for Old Navy, because this is not a fast fashion business. But making sure we get credit for the fashion that's in Old Navy. Because at the end of the day, what we provide is everyday fashion essentials to the family. And I think he is really driving that point home and he's bringing some discipline into the assortment planning. And that's something he's very skilled at. The other side is that we were very excited this week that Ivan Wicksteed joined us, who's our new CMO. And I don't think his impact will be felt immediately, but we brought him in given the incredible track record and experience he's had. And I think our customers will start to enjoy his handprint on the marketing messaging in the business in fall and holiday. And I've just been very happy with how he's come in to the team, working with our merchant team and working with the design team and all under Stefan. So Stefan didn't come in to turn the brand upside down. He came in to move the brand, at a pace that I'm comfortable with. Let there be no doubt, he's come in to improve the business. That is what he's asked to do.
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John D. Morris - BMO Capital Markets U.S.
Analyst
Glenn, are you close to releasing some of the marketing dollars for Old Navy as well? I know you were thinking about that as recently as the previous quarter.
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Glenn K. Murphy
Analyst
They've got all the marketing dollars any brand would ever need.
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Operator
Operator
We will go next to Lorraine Hutchinson with Bank of America.
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Lorraine Maikis Hutchinson - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division
Analyst
The SG&A has been very tightly managed for years. I know you spent a little bit in 2012. But -- as we look out over the longer term, are there any big investments that we should be thinking about, whether it's e-commerce, or Omni-channel or any of the other new programs or plans that you're expecting?
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Sabrina L. Simmons
Analyst
Yes. I mean, we're focused just on our 2013 guidance right now, Lorraine, and we can talk probably more about the longer-term at Analyst Day. But I would say that we're being very measured about the pace of our investments. So you have observed that we've raised capital spend from probably an average of $475 million, $500 million per year up to -- we spent over $650 million in '12, we just guided to $675 million. So we are definitely focused on the long term and in propelling the long-term growth and then in making the right investments and putting the dollar behind that. But beyond what we've guided to, there's nothing radical that we intend to shift. Within those dollars we've guided to, we feel really comfortable that we've appropriated enough to those strategically important projects like Omni-channel, like Gap China, like Old Navy Japan.
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Glenn K. Murphy
Analyst
I think we're learning and teaching the business very well that in some cases, there's a lot of initiatives or variable expense we're using in different areas of the business that we either can't afford or is not necessary anymore. So brick in, brick out, in terms of state of mind is something that's very important in our business and now Sabrina mentioned China. For us to have a really long-term viable business in China, there's some money we do have to invest, whether it's in people or whether it's in marketing. And we're challenging the teams internally, especially the new, 3 global presidents to look at their portfolio because we're going to hold them to a certain level of return and expectations on return on sales and return on capital. So I think what I like about the new structure, it gives them a chance to look at where the most -- the best opportunities globally where they should be investing their time and their energy and their capital to get the highest return. But we will always have new initiatives. If we're not innovating and bringing new initiatives forward, the company's just going to go backwards. So we're pushing the team really hard on both fronts, but we're telling them very clearly as they work the one side of the growth story, they have to go back into their P&L aggressively and carve out money that's no longer needed, and it's -- or is not getting a return. That's how we're trying to -- that's how the 2 of us are trying to manage the business.
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Operator
Operator
We'll go next to Adrienne Tennant with Janney Capital Markets.
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Adrienne Tennant - Janney Montgomery Scott LLC, Research Division
Analyst
Glenn, can you talk about the DTC opportunity? Obviously, looks like it's about 12% for 2012. Sort of philosophically, how do you think that, that's evolving across the sector? How aggressively do you want to grow that piece of the business as a percent of sales, and do you have any targets in mind for us?
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Glenn K. Murphy
Analyst
Well, we don't -- we don't put out targets. We certainly have some numbers internally. What I would say is I would sort of take it up a notch and say, if we just look at the customer first, where we're moving and how it moved a little bit in 2012, we'll take a bigger step in 2013 as there's this is notion of easy buy anywhere. And at the end of the day, to be quite honest with you, I don't care where that unit goes. The unit is going to go where we can -- where the customer wants it and we can get the highest return on that one unit. If that's online, if that's specialty, if that's International. And I think that our online business is obviously growing, that's a channel of choice. We've been working very hard to make sure that our website is attractive, that it's fast and that our delivery time to the consumer, that we over exceed their expectations. So I look, at the end [ph], what's going to happen here is the customer will eventually dictate whether 12 goes to 15, whether 12 goes to 18. Where it settles out. We're not going to stop it, we're not going to put any constraints on it. But as we move and make a big move in 2013 to have really a seamless approach to this. Because what's going to happen at one point, my view is, is that we don't want to get anybody should be thinking about getting credit for the sale. And if you think of 2012 prior to the restructuring, we were setup that somebody owned the P&L online, somebody owned it in outlet, somebody owned it in specialty, domestic and somebody owned it Internationally, it was 4 different…
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Operator
Operator
We'll go next to Brian Tunick with JPMorgan.
Brian J. Tunick - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: I guess maybe for Glenn, it seems like the Gap North America brand sales are 30% smaller than where you peaked a couple of years ago, and I guess the assumption is much of that has been a decline in women's market share. So we were curious how you ranked, maybe which categories, Gap north America on the women's side has the biggest opportunity to regain share and move the needle over the next year or 2?
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Glenn K. Murphy
Analyst
I'd say, Brian, without getting into the category strategies, where you are correct, is that our Kids and Baby share is larger in that universe than our Adult share. And as we told, I think investors, a couple of years ago, it sort of builds on the issue why did we reengineer our real estate. One of it was, because there was a time where we had 450 standalone Baby store -- Kids and Baby stores. And we really strategically thought that if there were customers that we did not -- we're not able to attract or satisfy, make them loyal to Gap brand, 5 years ago, as their lives evolve, how do we get them engaged again in the Adult business. And one way to do that is the cross shopping that exist inside of a 12,000 square-foot Gap store where you can pass through between Kids and Baby and Adult. I think that now that real estate is almost completely done, that's going to be a big opportunity for Stephen Sunnucks and his team and much easier to use strength of Kids and Baby, and the market share and the natural draw, to get some, in this case, women shopping in the Adult section. But there are key categories. Nothing is going to change in terms of the strategies, and I'm not here to give out where we ought -- equal to our total share in adult and where are we above and where are we below. At the end of the day, this is a business that is grounded first and foremost in depth [ph] in the adult business. And our team in LA has done a great job. I think we have -- we're seeing the results of that again this spring with some of the work they've done. And that's -- there's probably 3 or 4 Adult categories that are really important. That would be #1. And the team is very focused on how do we make sure we continue to gain share, continue to be innovative, continue to be current and relevant in the denim business and that's where I know the merchants and designers are putting most of their energy.
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Operator
Operator
We'll go next to Oliver Chen with Citigroup.
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Oliver Chen - Citigroup Inc, Research Division
Analyst
In terms of some external factors, could you brief us on the environment for product cost inflation? And also, payroll taxes. Do you think that certain of your banners will be more impacted than others and what our kind of the competitive proactive stances you can take in light of that? And if I could just ask a modeling question, should we be more encouraged on the upside from the SG&A margin or the GM as we think about your op margin expansion guidance?
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Sabrina L. Simmons
Analyst
Sure. Let me try and hit those 3 topics really quickly. So on the average unit cost front, as I said, Q1 is pretty much the last quarter that we get tailwinds because we were still facing increases, although nothing like the back half of '11, we were still facing increases in AUC in the first quarter of '12. After the first quarter, it really moderates and there's really no significant story around average unit cost. So that will just be managed in its normal way and we'll manage through our mix and making select decisions around where we invest and not. With regards to the payroll tax, it's really hard to split out the impact of any of these moves. But I think it's fair to say that our consumers now, after so many years of a tough economy, are sort of getting probably thicker skinned about any of these moves in particular. I think there's certainly some that are impacted more directly than others. But overall, can we claim a large, direct impact of that? I would say, not overall. Obviously, if there's going to be an impact, our customers at Old Navy are going to be more sensitive to it than the others. And then finally with regard to how we're approaching our year -- and I'll interpret your question by saying how do we get to operating margin expansion, Oliver. I would say we want to be very balanced about that. So we know that 2012 was unique because we could invest so much given that we were getting the benefit on merch margins, not just from great products but also from average unit cost. 2013, we're going to use all of our levers, the 3 big ones, of course, our expense leverage, rent & occupancy leverage and merchandise margins, and we tend to approach those in a very balanced manner.
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Operator
Operator
And we'll go next to Jennifer Davis with Lazard Capital Markets.
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Jennifer M. Davis - Lazard Capital Markets LLC, Research Division
Analyst
My question is really on gross margins. At the end of 2011, merchandise margins were down, I think, 440 basis points from 2009 levels. This year, you recovered 200 basis points. So you're still about 240 basis points below peak. And I would argue that the merchandise is significantly better now than it was in 2009. So my question is, first, can you give us some sense of your full price or kind of planned promotional selling now versus 2009? And then secondly, have you seen any benefits yet from the changes you've made in your sourcing structure? And then I'll try to throw one more in. And that kind of leads to the real question of, is there any reason why gross margins can't exceed prior peak levels? It seems like there's more room with merchandise margins and with the rationalization of the store base, you should get some more buying and occupancy leverage, not to mention the fact that International and direct are becoming a bigger part of the mix.
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Sabrina L. Simmons
Analyst
Yes, I understand [ph] your question. So let me try and -- let me try and hit that, Jennifer. So I think that one of the important things to remember is that 2009 for Gap was a very unique environment in terms of costing. So the underlying cotton was certainly lower in 2009 than it was in '12, and then we expect it to be in '13. So you've got an underlying commodity that's lower. You have labor that was certainly lower in 2009 than we certainly expect it to be now, with labor pressures in Asia, in 2013. So you had a very different costing environment for certain. I'd also point out in 2009, despite our high gross margin rate, we were negative comping. So obviously it is important for us to balance delivering a very healthy rate, which we are focused on, with driving healthy comps and gross margin dollars. Now that all said, we do have levers, and we are focused on delivering healthy gross margins. And as you said, first and foremost with positive comp performance, we feel confident that we'll leverage rent and occupancy. So that's a lever. And then regarding our merchandise margins with all the effort we've put against delivering strong product assortments, we have opportunities to move the needle in more reg selling. Certainly, still promotions. We'd love to draw back a little, either in frequency or depth. And then markdowns, also, with better assortments, we might have an opportunity there to not go as deep on the markdown itself. So we are focused on it, but very different than 2009.
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Operator
And we have time for one more question. Our final question comes from the line of Richard Jaffe with Stifel, Nicolaus.
Richard Ellis Jaffe - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: On a, I guess, farther raging topic, sourcing, you guys have undertaken a dramatic change in your sourcing policies and practices, trying to enhance speed to market. Obviously, to manage the vagaries of the marketplace, cotton last year. I'm wondering how this multiyear initiative is going, where you stand today and what kind of promises in the future?
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Glenn K. Murphy
Analyst
Look, I would say we're probably in the third or fourth inning. And the big driver, Richard, the unlock for us is, we may have mentioned this in past calls, for the longest period of time, we were very focused on our vendors and some of the stuff Sabrina was just referencing, when our margin rate was fairly high in 2009. That was when we were at the peak of the recession. We were making tough choices in our business. And the choices we made back then was to really focus and negotiate and use the leverage of the company to get what is known as our cut-and-make cost down, the actual making of the garment. And that was a big focus of the business. As speed came in and speed became more important as I was talking earlier about chasing a rapid response or just actually the whole fast pipeline, which is putting new styles to work inside of a season, what the team and the new structure turned to is really fabric platforming and working upstream with our mills. So for the longest period of time, we'd worked directly with vendors, that was 99% of our relationships. And now we have a much stronger relationships with mills and fabric, first and foremost. And the way we, again, go into third or fourth inning, but the way we've got our merchants and designers to understand it is, if you want speed and you understand the gross margin upside of speed and the customer satisfaction that comes with that, the only way to be able to do that is have fabric that is ready to go. So just one example, last year, we had a very good year. When somebody was asking about categories earlier, in denim at Old Navy,…
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Glenn K. Murphy
Analyst
Yes, we don't get into the details of it. But I think, let's just put it this way, that mills understand that they have so much capacity and they look for companies to, obviously, eat up that capacity. So we work with our mills more than we had before, to make sure there's so many yards that we need of fabric, and I think that we've built really good relationships. A lot of the new team members we've brought in know that side of the business very well. As a matter of fact, 1 senior person came from that business. And it's what some other companies have done. I think we're trying to not only catch-up but then eventually go past them in instituting this new process in the business.
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Katrina O'Connell
Analyst
Great. I'd like to thank everyone for joining us on the call today. And as a reminder, our earnings press release, which is available at gapinc.com, contains a full recap of our fourth quarter results as well as the forward-looking guidance included in Sabrina's remarks. And as always, the Investor Relations team will be available after the call for further questions. Thank you.
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Operator
Operator
And this does conclude today's conference. We thank you for your participation.