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StealthGas Inc. (GASS)

Q3 2021 Earnings Call· Wed, Dec 8, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Michael Jolliffe

Management

This is Michael Jolliffe, the Board Chairman of StealthGas. Joining me on our call today is our CEO, Harry Vafias; and our Finance Officer, Fenia Sakellaris. Before we commence our presentation, I would like to remind you that we will be discussing forward-looking statements, which reflect current views with respect to future events and financial performance. At this stage, you could all take a moment to read our disclaimer on Slide 2 of this presentation. Risks are further disclosed in StealthGas filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. I would also like to point out that all amounts quoted, unless otherwise clarified, are implicitly stated in U.S. dollars. Slide 3 summarizes the highlights of our third quarter 2021 results that we released today. Our key strategic highlight is the successful spin-off completion of our 4 tankers now trading in a separate listed entity called Imperial Petroleum Inc. Indeed, we are excited to have completed this transaction as we strongly believe that the timing was right for the creation of two businesses in distinct sectors of the shipping industry. And that is, of course, LPG carriers and tankers. Focusing on StealthGas performance in the third quarter of this year, this was mainly governed by poor spot activity, increased bunker costs and a high number of commercial idle days. Even though the COVID-19 pandemic is still persisting, we managed to limit our spot exposure compared to the second quarter of this year. However, and due to seasonal factors, we did face increased commercial idle time for open vessels seeking new period employment. As a result, our spot revenues were weak, while due to the rise in oil prices, our voyage costs were disproportionately high. Given the completion of two drydockings and the partial completing of another two drydockings within the third quarter,…

Fenia Sakellaris

Management

Thank you, Mr. Jolliffe. And good morning to everyone. I will discuss our financial performance for the third quarter and nine months of 2021. Indeed, as we mentioned at the beginning of our call, our biggest obstacle in this third quarter was commercial off-hire days, coupled with a sharp rise in bunker costs. These factors led to low spot revenues, thus undermining overall profitability. Market improvements notable from September onwards allowed us to lock almost all of our fleet on time charters, hence significantly minimizing spot exposure and on higher potential. Let us move on to Slide 8, where we see the income statement for the third quarter of 2021 against the same period of the previous year. Voyage revenues came in at $37.5 million, marking a $400,000 increase compared to the same period of last year. This increase is attributed to 4 fewer vessels on bareboat, now operating either spot or on a time charter contract offset now by the fact that 25% of quarterly spot days were in essence commercial off hire. In terms of off hire this quarter, we faced waiting time of vessel seeking new period deployment. But most importantly, we had one of our product tankers and one similar vessel being in idle for the majority of the quarter. As discussed earlier in our call, almost all of the vessels met an idle time within the third quarter of 2021 are now operating under time charter contracts. In terms of voyage costs, this amounted to $4.5 million, marking a $700,000 increase compared to Q3 '20 in spite of the decline in number of spot days by about 30%. Key driver for this rise in the sharp -- in the daily bunker -- is the sharp rise in daily bunker cost by 55%. Based on all…

Harry Vafias

Management

Proceeding on Slide 11. During Q3 '21, and in spite of the customary seasonal softness, rents improved mostly towards the end of the quarter. Looking at the small LPG trade West of Suez, the spot market experienced the usual seasonal downturn during the summer months, forcing owners to experience idle time between voyages. We've also seen a few vessels leaving the area heading east in the last couple of months, which has further aided the balance due to the limited availability of spot owners noticeable since September and reasonable freight rates, charters have been increasing their time charter exposure, which has been positive for the owners. With the expected winter seasonal increase in cargoes, owners might witness further rate improvement and enjoy an even more balanced market. In the East of Suez, the spot market in Asia since September is tight and lacking available tonnage. So there are cargoes in the market that are finally not shipped due to the lack of tonnage. Naturally, this has had a positive effect on the freight rates over this period. The increasingly tighter spot market has resulted in an active time charter market that charters have been actively looking for forward shipping covers to move their contract cargoes and get an advantage in the tight spot market. We have seen numerous both new time charters fixed and extensions on existing time charters for periods from three months up to one year. Focusing on our market fundamentals, the small LPG pressure segment has substantial old tonnage. 31% of the fleet is currently above 20 years of age, which is a driving force behind the increased scrapping activity. Since the beginning of this year, we have witnessed a demolition of 7 small pressurized vessels. And indeed, we are witnessing a heightened demolition activity. Aspiration orders,…

Michael Jolliffe

Management

Thank you, Harry. We are pleased with the successful completion of our tanker spin-off to a newly listed entity called Imperial Petroleum. With regards to StealthGas, the separation of the 4 tankers will give the opportunity to focus exclusively on the broader LPG market, which has always been our core business. The company owns predominantly small LPGs for which rates are less volatile along with large LPG vessels facing more volatile freight rates. Thus, the capability to increase revenue dynamics. Given the different nature of risk that tankers and gas carriers bear, the strategic move of separating these two asset classes will give shareholders the flexibility to adjust their holdings according to the sector in which they want to invest and the timing in the cycle. Focusing on gas results in the third quarter of 2021, these were primarily underpinned by the weak spot market and particularly the increased commercial off-hire days. As the market improved from September onwards, we took the opportunity to fix all of our fleet on period charters and soundly positioned ourselves for the upcoming quarters. Regardless of the LPG market improvement, evident this last couple of months, the biggest global concern is still the COVID-19 pandemic. New variants might potentially heavily impact the market in the short term. And that's why we have chosen to be defensive with low leverage and having only a few ships operating in the swap market. We have now reached the end of our presentation, and we would like to open the floor for your questions. So operator, please open the floor. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen we’ll now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Okay, we will now take our first question, and it comes from the line of Randy Giveans from Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Randy Giveans

Analyst

[indiscernible] how is it going?

Michael Jolliffe

Management

Hi, Randy.

Randy Giveans

Analyst

I guess first question being the biggest news here is just the spin-off. Can you discuss that decision to spin-off those tanker assets over simply selling the assets, putting the cash to work by repaying debt and then more importantly, repurchasing shares.

Harry Vafias

Management

Yes, Randy. I mean, we've discussed this matter before. A lot of shareholders were asking why do we have tankers and it's not your core business. And we are better off focusing on all the different sub segments of the LPG market. So we thought spinning this company out into a different company is a nice way of having StealthGas as a pure LPG company focusing on small handy and medium-sized gas carriers at least for now. And at the same time, giving a nice dividend to our shareholders. Selling the ships was not the best idea because selling the ships would have meant that we are selling the ships at the bottom of the market, which doesn't make any sense. And on top of that, because you mentioned that, as you know, StealthGas has very low debt levels. So it wouldn't make a big difference if we reduce the debt a bit further. Our debt levels are very, very low, despite our rapid expansion in the last few years. Buying back stock, you know we've done it before. We've done a tender offer before in the beginning of COVID. And obviously we will do more, but the Board will not allow us for as long as we have COVID affecting our results. So we need to see some more clarity on the COVID matters. And hopefully, disappearance of this pandemic before we sit down and asked for a further allowance on share buybacks.

Randy Giveans

Analyst

Okay. The tankers, the rates are very low, selling at the bottom, but the asset values haven't really come off much since the beginning of the year. So we don't want to really be selling at the bottom of that capacity. But clearly, the share price relative to your NAV, especially when your balance sheet is in good shape, clearly seems heavily discounted. So waiting till COVID ends, when is that 5 years from now, who knows? But -- all right, I guess, separately, following the spin-off, are you likely to pursue some additional growth in the LPG space? Are you content with your fleet today? For example, you still have some, I would call them noncore handy size larger semi-ref vessels compared to most of your fleet, are those possibly spin-off or sales candidates?

Harry Vafias

Management

No, the opposite. These are core assets, and we will focus more in these handy, medium-sized gas ships.

Randy Giveans

Analyst

Got it. Okay. And then in terms of the market, clearly it's tightening. Can you provide some insight on the -- basically the increase on your new charters compared to previous charters? Have those rates improved? And maybe specifically, what's the average rate for those 7 charters that last 5 to 12 months?

Harry Vafias

Management

Yeah. I mean if we give you a number, it will make it more difficult because as we are talking about different sizes of ships is not easily distinguishable. I would say that for 3,500 cubic meter vessels, you would be safe assuming a 0% increase on 5,000 vessels out, you would be safe to assume a 5% increasing on 7,500 and more and bigger you would be safe to assume a 10% increase.

Randy Giveans

Analyst

Okay. Can you give me the nominal numbers instead of just the increase? Like what is that 10% equate to, the 10% increase?

Harry Vafias

Management

On the -- you mean on the 7,500?

Randy Giveans

Analyst

Yeah.

Harry Vafias

Management

It would be -- it would mean around 320,000 a month.

Randy Giveans

Analyst

Okay. Great. And then on the 5,000?

Harry Vafias

Management

It would mean 295.

Randy Giveans

Analyst

295. And then lastly, on 3,500.

Harry Vafias

Management

There is no increase.

Randy Giveans

Analyst

And what would that be, though, on a monthly basis?

Harry Vafias

Management

That would mean 225.

Randy Giveans

Analyst

225. Great. That helps with the model.

Harry Vafias

Management

Just to clarify the problem Randy, is not the income. The market is tightening, and obviously, this pushes the rates up. The problem is the increased cost due to COVID because of extra quarantines, increased crew costs, increased crew traveling, these kind of things. This is the problem right now, not so much the income side.

Randy Giveans

Analyst

No. I think that's fair. But I think the cost should come under control here in the next few months. The income, especially with all the charters, you have a lot more visibility there. And again, if you wait for COVID to end, your stock price will reach $6. I don't know if waiting till the end to repurchase shares is the best strategy, but I'll leave that for you and the Board.

Harry Vafias

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Okay. We will now take our next question, and it comes from the line of Lance Gad from Gad family LLP [ph]. Your line is now open

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes. Good morning. The prospectus for Imperial Petroleum has a statement that the book value is substantially higher than market value. I was wondering if you could clarify substantially, if you could give us an idea as to what the market value of the 4 tankers are?

Harry Vafias

Management

Yes. Actually, as you understand, we cannot give numbers if we have not putting it in the F1. But that is what we discussed on the previous question, where we said that if we sold the ships, we would face a book value loss and the debt reduction would be minor. That's why it was -- we were better off spinning them off, which still means you're going to have a book loss. But at least you don't lose control of the ships and the current shareholders get some shares as a dividend which they can keep or sell depending on what they think about the tanker market. In Q4, StealthGas will have this -- will book this loss. And obviously, the numbers will -- you will see what the numbers are. But indeed, it's not a small number.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

So yeah. I mean it's no secret, market values of ships, I would think from a professional operator, that's kind of known. It's like you can't give us what's in the public domain. And you've already said substantially lower in the prospectus. And this is a public conference call. I mean, I think I don't see any reason why we can't talk about what it's worth. And we've talked about NAV in past conference calls, how our stock was trading substantially, you've even given us numbers. So I'm kind of -- I don't understand why we can't know what the substantial differences or what substantially means?

Harry Vafias

Management

Yeah. I cannot answer that question as I'm not a lawyer, I'll have to check with our U.S. legal team and this type of information can be given or not.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. I've been an attorney for -- I've been a lawyer for 50 years. I don't see any problem with it, but check with your counsel. I mean...

Harry Vafias

Management

Yes, if it allowed, it's allowed.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hello?

Harry Vafias

Management

Yes.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

One other question. Generally, with spin-offs, one of my backgrounds is in tax law. Generally, with spin-offs, things are spun-off sometimes in preparation for a sale or a merger acquisition. Is there any -- was that a motivation here in doing the spin-off at all?

Harry Vafias

Management

Again, I think you're asking things which are not in the public domain. And if we tell you, you're going to be considered an insider. So I guess we cannot answer that question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Right. But of course, me and every other shareholder or anyone that wants to access this conference call in the public domain. So I'm not sure I agree with that. But anyway -- okay.

Harry Vafias

Management

Nothing to be said then, sorry, my good friend.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Right, right. I understand. Well, if you could check with your counsel because--

Harry Vafias

Management

Yes, please send an e-mail so that we don't forget it. Please send us an email and we'll come back to you.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes, I've had -- what is your -- what is the address to use for an e-mail?

Harry Vafias

Management

It's on our announcement. It's all in all our announcements, you can find it there.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Right, I had an issue previously on. Because the -- for example, the common stock Imperial Petroleum, has traded between 3-ish and 7-ish. It's had a range of 100% and some odd. So -- and I think one of the reasons is the statement that the assets are worth substantially less than book and there's no guidance as to what it's worth. So you have this huge prospectus and shareholders have received dividends but we have no idea of accessing what this distribution is worth. So the market...

Harry Vafias

Management

Exactly. But, you are asking the same thing twice.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Right. I understand.

Harry Vafias

Management

Please send us an e-mail so that we can check if we can disclose information. And if we can, we'll be delighted to give it to you.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good.

Harry Vafias

Management

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]

Harry Vafias

Management

I think there are no other questions. So we would like to thank you for joining us at our conference call today and for your interest and trust in our company. And we look forward to having you with us again for our fourth quarter '21 results in February '22. Thank you.