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Q4 2025 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 19, 2026

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for standing by. My name is Jordan, and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I'd like to welcome everyone to the GATX 2025 Fourth Quarter Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the call over to Shari Hellerman, Head of Investor Relations at GATX. Please go ahead.

Shari Hellerman

Analyst

Thanks, Jordan. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining GATX's fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings conference call. Joining me today are Bob Lyons, President and Chief Executive Officer; Tom Ellman, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Paul Titterton, Executive Vice President and President of Rail North America. As a reminder, some of the information you'll hear through our discussion today includes forward-looking statements. Actual results or trends may differ materially from those statements or forecasts. For more information, please refer to the risk factors in our earnings release GATX's 2024 Form 10-K and our other filings with the SEC. GATX assumes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements to reflect subsequent events or circumstances. I'll start with a brief overview of our fourth quarter and full year 2025 results, then I'll turn the call over to Bob for additional commentary on 2025 and our outlook for 2026. After that, we'll open the call up for questions. Earlier today, GATX reported fourth quarter 2025 net income of $97 million or $2.66 per diluted share, this compares with fourth quarter 2024 net income of $76.5 million or $2.10 per diluted share. Results for both periods include net positive impact from tax adjustments and other items of $0.22 per diluted share in 2025 and $0.17 per diluted share in 2024. For the full year 2025, GATX reported net income of $333.3 million or $9.12 per diluted share, this compares with net income of $284.2 million or $7.78 per diluted share in 2024. Full year results for both 2025 and 2024 include impact from tax adjustments and other items. A net positive impact of $0.37 per diluted share in 2025 and a net negative impact of $0.11 per diluted share in 2024. Additional details can be found in our earnings release. And with that quick overview, I will now turn the call over to Bob.

Robert Lyons

Analyst

Thank you, Shari, and thank you all for joining the call today. I'll open with some brief comments on 2025 performance versus the outlook we had coming into the year, and then talk a little bit about 2026 and what we see on the horizon. For those of you that participate in our calls regularly, we're usually very brief at the opening. But today, I'm going to take a little bit more time as I did last year at this time to talk through our outlook for the year ahead and recap a little bit about the past year. First of all, I want to thank all the employees of GATX around the world for their outstanding efforts and contributions this past year, especially those who were central to the Wells Fargo Rail acquisition and the integration efforts, which are ongoing. We asked a lot from people, and they delivered across the board. And they did so because everyone sees the long-term benefit of this transaction. Regarding 2025 results, we came into the year expecting EPS growth in the 8% range over 2024. And as reported this morning, our EPS actually increased 11% over 2024. Importantly, we achieved this strong EPS growth while posting another year of ROE above 12%. And I think this is important to point out because we continue to maintain a very conservatively structured balance sheet with leverage steady at [ 3.301 ]. On top of the positive EPS and ROE metrics, we continue to find investment opportunities. We put $1.3 billion of capital to work in what we believe will be attractive earnings growth and return opportunities for our shareholders. Given the magnitude of the Wells Fargo Rail acquisition, it'd be easy just to jump past 2025 and focus on this opportunity, which we'll do.…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Andrzej Tomczyk from Goldman Sachs.

Andrzej Tomczyk

Analyst

Wanted to start off on the guidance for EPS. First, are you just able to frame up the magnitude of gains on sales factored into the low versus the high end? And then maybe just a question on if supply-demand tightens further for railcars through 2026, given below replacement delivery. Is that a scenario where you could see upside to your gains target through the year?

Thomas Ellman

Analyst

Yes. So maybe I'll start on the first part and then let Paul chime in on the second. So as Bob stated, we're targeting something in the range of $200 million for gains on sales. As you know, those tend to be pretty lumpy quarter-to-quarter. But if you look over the past few years on how the year has actually played out compared to what our original expectations were, that gives you a pretty good guidance to what magnitude the range might be. So something on the order of $10 million, $15 million either way is something that we've seen historically. But that's no guarantee for the future. It's really hard to say exactly how that will play out.

Paul Titterton

Analyst

And then I'll just add to that. This is Paul speaking. We've talked about some of the benefits of the fact that new car production is down to levels that we have not seen in quite some time. And what I'll say is there remains a tremendous amount of capital that would like to be deployed in the railcar market, and we believe that capital and we're seeing evidence that, that capital is going to flow into the secondary market as it looks for investments. So if you're in a situation like we are where you're the largest owner of railcars in North America, that should be a very supportive environment to generate the secondary market gains.

Andrzej Tomczyk

Analyst

Understood. And maybe just one follow-up there. Apart from the gains, what areas of the business could you see sort of more variability around the results in 2026 relative to the guidance you laid out between North America, international and engine leasing and then just maybe what's driving the variability across those segments?

Thomas Ellman

Analyst

Yes, Andrzej. So you definitely pointed out the biggest one in the way you teed up the original question, purely in terms of financial results, variance and projected remarketing gains, both at Rail North America and in our engine leasing business are the biggest source of upside or downside. And as I noted, that's particularly true because it can be difficult to precisely predict the timing of these asset sales. But our guidance also assumes that we're able to manage the Rail North America maintenance spend, whether owned or third-party shops very tightly. As Bob mentioned in his opening comments, gross maintenance spend is projected to be approximately $500 million. So even a small percentage change in this line item could be impactful. We also assume no material disruption in the global economy in general or to the global aviation market in particular. Again, we highlighted the strength that we've seen in engine leasing, but it is a market that is subject to periodic disruption.

Andrzej Tomczyk

Analyst

Makes sense. And just maybe following on the synergies from earlier. I was curious if you could give some more detail on synergies in total and maybe how we think about capturing the synergies through year 1. And then when you said previously year 2 would be more than modestly accretive. Are you able to put a frame around that if it's mid-single or high single-digit type accretion or even double digits depending on sort of what avenues you take with the business. Any framing there would be helpful. Appreciate it.

Robert Lyons

Analyst

Yes, Andrzej, it's Bob. I'll start out, and Tom may jump in, but we gave the guidance in the press release of the $0.20 to $0.30 from the impact of the transactions that's early-stage synergies and benefits. It also is reflective of the fact that, as I mentioned in my opening comments, operating lease accounting is not a new acquirers friend, whether it's 1 car or 100 cars or 100,000 cars operating lease accounting can be dilutive in the early days. So we're overcoming that through some of the synergies we're realizing through the management fees that we're receiving and through some of the other benefits of the transaction. Beyond 2026, I think I'd like to hold off on speculating what that may be. But as the year progresses, we'll be very clear with you as to how the integration and the benefits are coming along and what those will mean longer term.

Thomas Ellman

Analyst

So just putting a couple of numbers to some of the synergies and the discussion of SG&A that we talked about. So we earn 2 different types of management fees. As Bob noted, we're managing the long-term lease portfolio that Brookfield wholly owns, and for that, we expect management fees of approximately $11 million a year. We also manage the JV that we are a 30% owner of, and for that, we expect management fees on the order of $44 million per year. So combined, it's a little over $50 million. Now keep in mind, the JV portion of those is 30% owned by GATX. So you need to think of that as the 70% that we don't own. But if you compare that to the $30 million of incremental SG&A that Bob talked about, most but not all of which is related to the increased asset size, give you some idea. As far as long term, as Bob mentioned, we've historically always given 1 year of guidance. We're going to continue to adhere to that. Bob mentioned in his comments, a couple of different things related to maintenance that where we could see some things. The only other qualitative point I would make is as we introduced our cyclically-aware management philosophy to the Wells Fargo portfolio, you should continue -- you should see some benefits there as well.

Robert Lyons

Analyst

Yes. I'd just add to that, Andrzej. From the standpoint of the guidance we gave today, outside of the numbers Tom just hit on and the guidance we put in the press release. We're not factoring in any significant incremental synergies beyond that. Now we believe they're there long term, but we haven't really factored that into the 2026 guidance because it will take some time to realize those in 2027, we'll address that as we get into that year.

Andrzej Tomczyk

Analyst

Understood. Appreciate all the color there. Maybe just shifting gears a little bit to engine leasing. It sounds that's been a strong segment for you guys through the year. It sounds like Airbus just announced lower delivery expectations for the year with bottlenecks being seen around aircraft engine availability. So I was just wondering if you could talk to how this is playing out on your aircraft spare engine leasing business. And maybe if you could share sort of what you expect through 2026 from affiliates. Appreciate it.

Thomas Ellman

Analyst

Yes. So what I'll tell you is, in general, the global aviation market and aircraft engine leasing, in particular, remains very strong. Certainly contributing to that is the supply constraints, both on the engine production side and on the maintenance backlog. So all of that is quite helpful. As far as the total magnitude that we'll see in engine leasing, it's exactly what Bob hit in his opening comments in terms of the total dollar amount that we'll see.

Robert Lyons

Analyst

So total segment profit kind of forecast whether from JV or 100% owned assets is in the $180 million range, segment profit wise, up over $165 million or so in 2025. So a very significant meaningful contributor. And again, you hit on it. There is supply chain issues, whether it's on new engines or whether it's on engines that are in MRO facilities, waiting on repairs. These are complex assets, not everybody can do the work. Nobody -- you can't really scale up quickly to do that kind of work. So the lead times are long. That raises the value of the existing portfolio, and it gives you more lease rate leverage as well.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ben Mohr from Citi.

Benjamin Mohr Mok

Analyst

I wanted to start off by asking about whether you're seeing any potential railcar shortages in any particular car types, if you're seeing any of that in any places in interacting with investors, there's thought that it could be starting to happen here and there due to the scrapping and age of fleet would be curious to hear your thoughts on what you're seeing?

Paul Titterton

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Ben. This is Paul. I'll take that. So we continue to stand by the thesis we've been advancing for a few years now, which is that we are in a market that is what we're calling supply led, which is to say that there are fewer new cars being produced, and thanks to supportive scrap rates, we are seeing cars leave the fleet. And as a result, we're seeing net fleet shrinkage in the North American fleet. And again, that's a positive when you're the largest owner of railcars in North America because those conditions should be supportive of stable utilization and stable pricing environment. So certainly, those are favorable dynamics for our business. In terms of outright shortages, I would say no, we're not seeing outright shortages, but we certainly continue to see a stable and supportive market in most of the car types in which we invest.

Benjamin Mohr Mok

Analyst

My next question then is on the sort of -- at least from what we view as greater than expected step down in your LPI to the 21.9%, that's kind of towards the lower end of the low to mid-20s expectation and a step down from your 3Q is 22.8%. I wanted to hear your thoughts. Could that be indicative of lower renewal rate gains catching up from the shell bus in COVID to be expected over the next 2 years? Or could it maybe just be a blip this quarter and step back up? And then kind of mudding that with your Brookfield JV would just love to hear kind of how you account for all of these.

Robert Lyons

Analyst

Yes, Ben, it's Bob. I'll start. Paul may jump in. But from an LPI standpoint, I would say actually in 2026, something in the high teens, 20% range is very positive, especially given kind of the renewal -- the trend in the number of cars renewed and the expiring rate over time. I would take 20% LPI every year to Infinity, if I could. That's a really, really positive outcome for us. And it is on the combined fleet, so that's a good thing and a good metric to provide. There are some economically sensitive car types, as we referenced in the press release, where we're seeing a little bit more challenge in terms of the lease rate environment. And I'll let Paul comment on that.

Paul Titterton

Analyst

Yes, sure. So as Bob said, there are certain segments of the fleet. Unfortunately, for us, these are the distinct minority of our overall fleet, but certain segments of the fleet box cars would be a great example where those are more sensitive to some of the macroeconomic uncertainty we're seeing. And so there, there is a little bit of downward pressure, and I think we're watching that in those and certain other car types. But having said that, the core franchise for GATX, which is what I call the heavy haul bulk franchise and specifically tank cars and specialty covered hoppers that we continue to see very supportive, stable pricing utilization. Those dynamics remain, I would say, favorable, and we expect them to continue to be favorable.

Benjamin Mohr Mok

Analyst

Great. And maybe kind of related to that, the step-up in your renewal success rate into the low 90s from the mid- to high 80s, that's been kind of for some time now, that seems to be of note. Could that help offset a gradual decline in LPI. And just wanted to get your thoughts on that.

Robert Lyons

Analyst

Yes. I would view the low 90s as a bit of an anomaly based on certain renewals that we concluded in the fourth quarter that's -- I can't recall being north of 90% on a quarterly basis before. So being anywhere in the high 70s, 80% range is commercially what we expect and consistent with history. I'd say the key on that renewal success rate number is, if you're in that high 70%, 80% range, et cetera, those are cars that are staying with existing customers, those are cars that are not then going to customer B and winning through the shop. So there is a benefit there in terms of us not having to handle those cars upon return. So anything up in that high 70s, 80% range is really good.

Benjamin Mohr Mok

Analyst

Great. And I know that you've been continuing to do your railcar qualification tests. And so we've been expecting maybe a higher maintenance expense. And it seems like it stepped down quite nicely this past quarter. Is this step down more temporary kind of a blip and we can see it step back up or how would you guide on kind of cadence that you did give kind of the full year, but the cadence throughout '26?

Paul Titterton

Analyst

From quarter-to-quarter, a lot of it is, frankly, noise. So I think you really -- when you think about the compliance calendar, it's really an annual calendar. 2026 will be another fairly busy compliance year for us, and we're anticipating though, after that, that our compliance calendar will moderate somewhat.

Benjamin Mohr Mok

Analyst

Great. And then maybe just if I can squeeze in one last one. Your due diligence on the Wells portfolio is that completely done? Or what actually not that you've already acquired it? That's a new point. So let me just scratch that.

Robert Lyons

Analyst

No, that's fine, Ben. And just to add on to that question, I would say that based on the amount of due diligence we were able to do pre-close, there were very few, if any, surprises at closing. By and large, the fleet we expected to acquire we acquired with the underlying car types, customer base, et cetera. So no issues there.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Harrison Bauer from Susquehanna.

Harrison Bauer

Analyst

I wonder if just a quick follow-up on your $0.20 to $0.30 accretion from the Wells deal. Is the variability in that largely due to gains? Is there anything else that might take you from the low end to high end?

Thomas Ellman

Analyst

So I would say that -- I'll start and I'll let Bob add on. But Overall, what I would say is the same factors that drive the overall business is what drives the incremental piece from Wells Fargo. It's the same business, the same core business that we're in. So the #1 thing, of course, is variability around gains on asset sales. And then I would make the same comment I made about the magnitude of the maintenance spend and a small variability being potentially impactful.

Robert Lyons

Analyst

Yes, that's -- I have nothing to add on that, Harrison.

Harrison Bauer

Analyst

Okay. And then aside from maybe your games assumption within the Wells fleet this year, and you mentioned as well the some of the purchase accounting impacts. Can you give us a sense of any additional onetime cost or the purchase accounting that might roll off over time? Just so we can understand what the incremental earnings contribution might look like from that business as you scale your ownership over time?

Robert Lyons

Analyst

Yes. Well, there's no significant onetime costs in there. We had some of those in 2025, which we called out and normalized for in our EPS numbers. So there's no significant onetime items in there. And the way operating lease accounting works because you flat -- you straight-line depreciation, it's really the interest expense that burns down over time as cash flow continues to generate on the fleet. So that's really the biggest variable. And then what we're able to do from a commercial and maintenance perspective, adding our skill set expertise and knowledge of those assets, we feel we can get incremental benefit there as well.

Harrison Bauer

Analyst

Great. And along the lines of the capital that you're willing to deploy on that deal over time? You structured the Wells transaction to preserve some flexibility between new car investment and then the incremental equity over time. Given the muted new build environment and then your re-up share authorization, how are you thinking about your capital allocation priorities as you go through the integration of this fleet this year?

Thomas Ellman

Analyst

Yes. So the philosophy is unchanged from what Bob talked about. So first and foremost, we want to invest in economically accretive assets. We want to make sure that we're maintaining the proper balance sheet and doing things that preserve our cost of capital, and then we'll return excess capital to shareholders. As you noted, part of the reason for structuring the deal the way we are, the way we did is because we have really attractive investment opportunities throughout all of our businesses. So in 2025, we did $1.3 billion of investment, the 2 years prior to that, we did something on the order of $1.6 billion. So if you look at the investment level that we expect outside of the Wells Fargo Rail transaction in 2026, it'd be a little over $1 billion. Regarding the Wells Fargo Rail transaction, we recently made our initial equity investment of a little under $400 million to acquire the 30% ownership in the JV. Currently, we anticipate exercising our first option to acquire another 3.5% of the JV on June 30 for approximately $66 million. So if you add those numbers, the investment absent Wells Fargo, the initial equity investment and the anticipated option exercise you come to about $1.5 billion, so very much in line with what we've seen recently.

Operator

Operator

And the next question comes from the line of Brendan McCarthy from Sidoti.

Brendan Michael McCarthy

Analyst

Just wanted to circle back to that CapEx question. Can you provide a further breakdown there as you look into 2026 just among railcar assets in the engine leasing business?

Thomas Ellman

Analyst

Yes. So thank you for that follow-up. So the $1 billion, I would say, about 3/4 of that is expected to be at Rail North America and about 1/4 of it expected to be in Rail International. But in addition to that, we anticipate doing significant investment via the JV. So GATX does not typically have to make nor do we anticipate making any capital contribution, but in 2025, the JV invested about $1.4 billion. So our percentage share of that investment would have been another $700 million. And in 2026, we anticipate the JV will do another $1 billion of investment or more. So that would translate our share to being another $500 million. But again, the engine leasing, the JV is self-funded, so GATX does not typically make a capital contribution.

Brendan Michael McCarthy

Analyst

Great. I appreciate that. That's helpful. And just on the engine leasing segment, just really strong results there in 2025. I have it driving pretty much all of the year-over-year gain in segment profit. Can you provide a breakdown there of that year-over-year gain between what you saw from remarketing income and then what you saw from operating income?

Thomas Ellman

Analyst

Yes. So again, as a reminder for that, the quarter-to-quarter variability can be pretty lumpy just because of the way the gains come in. But for the full year, about 2/3 of that was operating income and about 1/3 of it remarketing gains.

Brendan Michael McCarthy

Analyst

Got it. And as you look into 2026, I think you mentioned $15 million to $20 million uplift in segment profit for engine leasing should that break down maybe stay right around the same for 2026?

Thomas Ellman

Analyst

You answered your own question. That's a very good assumption to make going in. But again, with the caveat that there's a certain degree of lumpiness on the remarketing side. But assuming that it would be similar to this year is a reasonable assumption.

Brendan Michael McCarthy

Analyst

Got it. Got it. And last question for me, just on the outlook for $200 million in railcar remarketing income for 2026. How do you kind of expect the Wells Fargo fleet to play into that? Maybe you can talk about the average age of the Wells Fargo fleet. Any certain railcar types that you feel you're maybe oversupplied in at the moment? Do you think that the -- I guess, overall, do you think the quarterly cadence might be somewhat to the past? Or do you think there might be some front-end impact there just as you kind of gauge the Wells Fargo fleet?

Robert Lyons

Analyst

Yes. It will take a little bit of time to fully assess the Wells portfolio in terms of what we want to go to market with. But let's just start with the $200 million to begin with. The GATX legacy fleet 2025, we generated about $130 million. We would expect about the same roughly in 2026. So the incremental amount, that $70 million incremental amount is really from the Wells side of the ledger. But again, we're managing the whole portfolio as one from a standpoint of what we're going to be in the market with. The very good news is, as I mentioned in my opening comment, we have 2x the portfolio now to work with. And there is a lot of demand in the secondary market. So it's really going to be a decision we make from a fleet management perspective on whether it's credits or car types that we may want to sell into the secondary market, and I'll let Paul add some color on that.

Paul Titterton

Analyst

Yes. I'll just say one of the nice things about the Wells Fargo business, we said when we announced the deal that it's been a well-managed business. We're not buying a distressed problematic asset. We're buying an asset that actually has been a portfolio that has been managed effectively. And so what that means is there are actually quite a few quality saleable deals within that portfolio that we think the secondary markets will want. And so as Bob said, we're still determining what parts of that portfolio we want to dispose of. We think about things like concentrations in credit or commodity or car type or tenor of exposure. And we're really trying to do a portfolio balancing exercise as we sell down. But ultimately, the good news is really however we decide we want to rebalance the portfolio, there are quite a few saleable transactions in both the legacy GATX and the Wells Fargo portfolio.

Robert Lyons

Analyst

Yes. And I would just to add to that, that the most liquid car type in the secondary market is freight cars versus tank. Tank, it's not that you can't sell cars in the secondary market, but there's a limited buyer universe and it's a more specialized asset. So the most active market by far is for freight cars, and the Wells Fargo fleet was 95% freight cars. So we have a lot to work with.

Brendan Michael McCarthy

Analyst

That makes sense. And just as a follow-up, just curious as to the Wells Fargo fleet, doubled the fleet size and you just mentioned a much more higher proportion of freight cars. But then you kind of mentioned in 2026, the breakdown might be like $130 million in remarketing income from the GATX legacy fleet plus the $70 million from the Wells Fargo fleet. I guess why would the breakdown look like that, just considering the Wells Fargo fleet was a higher proportion of freight?

Robert Lyons

Analyst

Well, there's really no reason in particular, we continue to see very good demand on the legacy side of the business, while it's half of what we do on the legacy portfolio, freight cars, that's still over 50,000 cars you're talking about. So it is a very big universe of cars. And we'll continue to balance what makes sense to be in the market with, whether it's car type or credit. And again, we'll be working with our partner on what's the most logical thing to be putting in the marketplace from the JV side. We think that's a good mix going in. It could shift, could very well shift as the year progresses. But in total, that's a very reasonable number, that $200 million to work with.

Paul Titterton

Analyst

I'll just add too, over the last several years of supportive railcar markets, we have put on a lot of very good leasing business in the legacy fleet. So in terms of deals that we have on our balance sheet, legacy balance sheet that are attractive to sell. We've done a good job restocking the shelves there.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Justin Bergner from Gabelli Funds.

Justin Bergner

Analyst

Congratulations on closing the deal for Wells Fargo. First question would be any contours around the specifics of the repurchase? Or is it just pretty open-ended time-wise and pace-wise?

Robert Lyons

Analyst

It's very open ended. As I mentioned, the authorization that we just exhausted in the fourth quarter was granted in 2019. And so we look first, invest; second, manage the balance sheet; and third, as we said, kind of what is the increment or the extra left over for dividends and share repurchase. So we don't have a targeted amount in any given year. It's just what makes sense in the overall capital allocation framework.

Justin Bergner

Analyst

Okay. Did you actually repurchase a modest amount of shares in the fourth quarter, you said it was exhausted or just exhausted time-wise?

Thomas Ellman

Analyst

Yes. So again, as Bob mentioned, the initial authorization was in 2019. In the fourth quarter, we purchased approximately $46.5 million of stock at an average price of $160 a share.

Justin Bergner

Analyst

Okay. Any comments on sequential lease rates? It's usually asked earlier in the call, but since it hasn't come up figured out?

Paul Titterton

Analyst

Yes. Justin, this is Paul speaking. And broadly speaking, across most car types, we're seeing sequential lease rates roughly flattish. Bob mentioned a handful of what we call economically sensitive car types where there are a few headwinds. But across the broad bulk of the fleet flattish.

Justin Bergner

Analyst

Okay. I think when you spoke about the Wells Fargo transaction, you announced it and had the call, you spoke about modest accretion in '26. I forget, were you including gains from sale on the Wells Fargo side at that point in time? Or has the mix become a little bit more gains?

Robert Lyons

Analyst

No, that was all in, Justin.

Justin Bergner

Analyst

And then just lastly, the Wells Fargo fleet is going to continue to operate and run off mode, right? There's going to be minimal investments that $70 million in gains would just shrink it by however many cars are sold as part of that roughly $70 million of gains?

Robert Lyons

Analyst

Yes, the joint venture itself is structured to run down over time. It's not set up to reinvest. All of that activity will be taking place on the GATX side of the ledger. So to the extent there's replacement opportunities and reinvestment opportunities that come out of the fact that, that portfolio will burn down over time, they'll be on GATX's side. But again, we're looking at a few thousand -- 3,000 or 4,000 car sale package roughly spread out over 2026 to generate those gains. So you would have a very long tail of selling cars at that rate before you put serious reduction into that portfolio.

Justin Bergner

Analyst

Got it. That's helpful. So 3,000 or 4,000 cars sold that would be the Wells Fargo side of the ledger?

Robert Lyons

Analyst

Yes, we'll be in that ballpark, yes.

Operator

Operator

Final question comes from the line of Ben Mohr from Citi.

Benjamin Mohr Mok

Analyst

Just one clarification question on your very strong guide of the $200 million in remarketing for 2026. If we take your midpoint of your EPS guide range and we left out that $200 million and try to compare apples-to-apples versus 2025, it looks like the net income less the remarketing appears to be kind of down 20% or so for 2026 year-over-year. Are we missing anything? Is that because you only have a 30% impact of that? Or how should we think about the net income less remarketing for 2026?

Thomas Ellman

Analyst

Yes, Ben, I think you found your way to it near the end of that question. It's all tied up in the fact that the asset sales that we do from the JV are subject to the NCI, the noncontrolling interest piece of it. So GATX will economically enjoy 30% of those gains as opposed to the wholly owned portfolio.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions. I would now like to turn the call back over to the CEO of GATX for closing remarks.

Robert Lyons

Analyst

I don't have any closing remarks, but Shari probably does.

Shari Hellerman

Analyst

Well, I'd like to thank everyone for their participation on the call this morning. Please contact me with any follow-up questions. Have a great day. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

That concludes today's meeting. You may now disconnect.