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Glacier Bancorp, Inc. (GBCI)

Q1 2016 Earnings Call· Fri, Apr 22, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Glacier Bancorp’s First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. Mick Blodnick, President and CEO of Glacier Bancorp. Sir, please begin.

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · RBC Capital, your line is open

Thank you very much and welcome and thank all of you for joining us today. With me this morning is Ron Copher, our Chief Financial Officer; Barry Johnston, our Chief Credit Administrator; Angela Dose, our Principal Accounting Officer; and Don McCarthy, our Controller. Both Randy Chesler and Don Chery are on the call this morning listening in, but they’re both out at our banks this week, travelling and meeting with banks and boards. Yesterday, we reported earnings for the first quarter of 2016. For the quarter, we earned net income of $28.7 million. That was an increase of 4% compared to the $27.7 million earned in last year’s quarter. We produced diluted earnings per share for the quarter of $0.38. That compares to $0.37 in the prior year’s quarter or an increase of 3%. The quarter’s results included $831,000 of one-time core conversion and card reissuance related expenses. During the quarter, we moved our Glacier Bank division on to the new Gold Bank computer platform and two weeks ago, we finished the conversion of Canon Bank under the same computer platform and have now fully integrated them into our Bank of the San Juans bank division. In addition, we also converted Bank of the San Juans to our new Gold Bank core computer system. I’m happy to report that through these first three integrations, the process has gone extremely well. We will be working hard the rest of the year to convert the remaining 11 banks to Gold Bank. This is the largest by far internal project we’ve ever taken on. But I’ve all the confidence that we have the skillsets and the experience to finish on time and on budget. So far, the early adopters of the new system have definitely demonstrated that to be the case. Wednesday evening,…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from the line of Joe Morford from RBC Capital, your line is open.

Joe Morford

Analyst · RBC Capital, your line is open

I guess my question was just – I’m wondering if you can talk a little bit about the driver for raising our wholesale deposits and what’s the duration of pricing of those and just kind of issues around that?

Ron Copher

Analyst · RBC Capital, your line is open

Mostly on the wholesale front those are very short duration probably 28 or 30, 60 day wholesale deposits. We’ve really Joe so far saw no reason based on our asset liability mix and the sensitivity to interest-rate risk; we've really seen no reason to extend at this point in time. If he can continue as we expect over the next couple of quarters to start to generate more and more non-interest bearing deposits as you heard me say before, we have signed about six or seven year average life to those deposits. So if we can continue to see good growth in that area, I don't expect that on the wholesale front to do much in the way of extension. The other thing is if we see some really nice gains in core deposits over the next couple of quarters, which traditionally we usually -- we really should, Joe, then I think at that point in time, you’ll see us pay down some of those.

Joe Morford

Analyst · RBC Capital, your line is open

Okay. That’s what I was figuring. Just wanted to kind of check on that. I guess the other question was just kind of curious about the tax rate. It looked like that came in a little higher and is this a good run rate for the year or any thoughts on the outlook there?

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · RBC Capital, your line is open

Yeah. I think -- there is going to be volatility in that tax rate and it propends upon, we do still have, as I said last quarter, we still have some lumpiness in some of our new market tax credits in the quarters when they hit. It doesn’t seem that long, but it’s already been seven years since we put on our first new market tax credit and I think in prior years where some of those were in that first quarter, those went off this year. As a result, our tax rate was a little bit higher. So I think that if we can add some more down the road, we’d certainly like to level off that volatility and that lumpiness, but this, I think, we’re guiding Ron, what to about 23%, 24%?

Ron Copher

Analyst · RBC Capital, your line is open

24% for the year and then 23% is what I’m expecting in the second quarter. But again to Mick’s point, we continue to look at other tax credit, both low income housing and certainly new market tax credits.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Jackie Chimera. Your line is open.

Jackie Chimera

Analyst

Hi. Good morning, Mick. Are the three banks that you’ve already converted over to CPE, I’m just kind of chatting with their presidents, are you seeing any efficiencies from that at this early point?

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · RBC Capital, your line is open

No. It would be way too early. They’re still doing some level of cleanup, although like I said, these conversions to Gold Bank have gone extremely well, but it’s still too early for us to start to delve into that, because what’s happening right now is even those individuals that converted over in the form of those -- actually, it’s two remaining banks, but we did three conversions, because of Canon. A lot of those people now that are on the new Gold Bank, a whole lot of those people and those resources have been allocated to the future next role of four banks. We’ve got four more banks rolling the weekend of May 6. So they finished their conversion, but many of those resources, Jackie, have been reallocated to help the next group of banks get through their conversion and this next one is our first one where we are taking a group of four banks and rolling all of them over that weekend. Now, it’s not a unique situation like it was with Canon and Bank of San Juans where we were doing a conversion off of another system on the Gold Bank as well as integrating them into the Bank of San Juans that have a lot of moving parts to it. As did the very first one with Glacier Bank because so much of the back office infrastructure and the way we’ve architected the company runs through Glacier Bank of Kalispell. So that one was very -- it had its own level of complexity and additional things that we shouldn’t have to deal with as much Jackie as we move through the other and remaining 11 banks, but this time, we’re taking four of them on at once. So it’s still going to probably be later this year or the early part of next year before we’re able to really sit back, Jackie, and say, okay, now, everybody is on Gold Bank, everybody is on the one system. Now, what can we do and where are these -- where is the productivity coming, what things are we able to streamline and what efficiencies can we really gain.

Jackie Chimera

Analyst

Okay. So the efficiencies won’t necessarily come from the individual divisions and they’ll come more from collaborating with the group as a whole?

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · RBC Capital, your line is open

Yeah. But to your first part of that question I think there will be at the divisions. I mean I think every one of the bank presidents will be looking at their individual operations and when this whole major project is behind us I think they'll be looking at who is doing what, what's left out there in the divisions, what changes have been made, what new things are being asked of some of the divisions. This is cutting both ways. We are pushing some of these centralized functions or better yet keeping some of these centralized functions at the bank level, but they're working now instead of just for their bank, they may be working for all the banks. So, there is still work to be done even once we get everybody converted over, but like I said once we complete the conversion of all of our banks under [indiscernible] yesterday too. Gold Bank, we will not we will definitely I think see some streamlined function.

Jackie Chimera

Analyst

Okay. And the roughly 900,000 in cost associated with in the quarter is that a fairly good run rate for the next three quarters while you continue to implement or would that go down with the synthetic issuance in the card – in the ?

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · RBC Capital, your line is open

No, I think that's probably a good run rate, Jackie, because obviously the next three or the next – yeah, the next couple of quarters we've got certainly more of the banks converting. When you add up - Glacier’s card reissuance was one of the largest banks of course, so it had a lot more cards than some of the other banks, but when you look at the number of banks still left to roll and on a combined basis, those cards are going to probably be very similar each quarter. I think your run rate or the run rate we have this quarter that would be a good one to use through the next three quarters. We will see. I mean hopefully it would be nice if it did start to drop off as we get more banks on, we get better at the process of doing these conversion rolls, but at this point in time I think that's probably as good a number as any.

Jackie Chimera

Analyst

And was the reclassification of some of your occupancy expenses into your data processing expense line, was that related to the DCT?

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · RBC Capital, your line is open

Don, you want to answer that?

Don McCarthy

Analyst

Yeah, I think during this quarter we moved - we have the Jack Henry Maintenance in a different category and we decided it was more properly classified in IT expenses and so that was the big line item that moved.

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · RBC Capital, your line is open

So it really was, Jackie, more of a re-class.

Jackie Chimera

Analyst

Okay, great. I will step back now. Thank you very much

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · RBC Capital, your line is open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Jennifer Demba from SunTrust. Your line is open.

Jennifer Demba

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Hi, Mick, how are you.

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Hi, Jen, how are you doing?

Jennifer Demba

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Doing well. Just curious about M&A pipeline, at this point are you seeing anything accelerate that the fed has got a more [indiscernible] stance on rate hike?

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Yeah, I mean, I think the activity level, Jennifer, has been a really good. There has been a lot of dialog. Certainly our announcement on Treasure State Wednesday evening we started talking with them late or actually it was pretty much early this year. So that transaction came together relatively quickly and very seamlessly. But there's certainly other discussions and dialog taking place, so no guarantees on any of these, but the activity level, Jen, is still really good.

Jennifer Demba

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Great. Mick, thanks. Good quarter.

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Jeff Rulis from D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.

Jeffrey Rulis

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is open

Good morning, Mick.

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is open

Hi, Jeff.

Jeffrey Rulis

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is open

Hi. Great quarter on the loan growth fronts and naturally I am going to ask about the one segment that had some runoff, but in the 1-4 family segment was that one that you would point that maybe followed the traditional seasonality or was there sort of a conscious decision to maybe sell some production, maybe some color on that category?

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is open

No, there was no conscious decision to reduce that category. That was just probably more a function of the seasonality that takes place in the first quarter. Barry, did you have any – I mean, is there any – we didn’t do anything strategically or anything like that.

Barry Johnston

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is open

I think it’s probably just a function of just some pay-offs and refinances, probably some product we have in one or two divisions, they were all in one construction terminal as they have been holding them for a while, sold those [ph] and just some pure amortization of that term portfolios.

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is open

Yes, it’s a good point, Jeff, that Barry made. With trade and with all of the things that our mortgage system had to put in place. There was a couple of products that we had are really good products for us that we had to continue to work with the vendor to get those fixed in. And to the point where some of those loans like Barry said were saleable, so maybe that was another thing where they kind of built up into the fourth quarter and we sold them out this quarter. No, strategically Jeff, we didn’t do anything or did make any changes that would have accounted for a known reduction in that category.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is open

Okay. And was there any – switching gears a little, any meaningful change in premium amortization linked quarter?

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is open

No, it was basically just kind of flat. And as we have been saying now the last couple of quarters, probably based on the type of products we are buying today versus what we were buying back in 2010 and 2011, we just don’t expect a lot of change one way or another on premium am. So it’s been very consistent. I think it’s to the point where when Ron and Jeff and myself look at those things, we pretty much can count on a consistent level of cash flow and even the last year or so when we’ve seen some of these little many refinance booms really has not moved the needle at all Jeff in the area of premium am.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is open

Great. Okay, thanks.

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Matthew Clark from Piper Jaffray. Your line is open.

Matthew Clark

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

Good morning, Mick.

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

Good morning, Matthew.

Matthew Clark

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

First one, just on – wondering about the contribution from accretion was in the margin this quarter, I think it was 7 basis points last quarter?

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

That’s exactly what it was this quarter, so there was no change from quarter-to-quarter, but it was 7 basis points in both quarters, Matthew.

Matthew Clark

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

Got it. Okay. And then just on the loan yields up 1 basis point, curious if you could help maybe quantify the contribution from loan fees, interest income, reversals, this quarter and last?

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

As far as on the reversals, I actually think that we had a couple of basis points in the fourth quarter that we did not have this quarter, so that actually was down, it was 2 basis points if remember the report that we had in the fourth quarter, Matthew that we didn’t have this quarter. So that was not the reason for, in fact that was actually a reason that it should have been – you know, yields could have actually been up a little higher if it wasn’t for that. Mostly like I said in my comments, I think it was just mostly a mix change and we are certainly hoping that we can maintain, but like I said, I have a sense that there is still some downward pressure on yields. Barry, do you have sense, you see a lot of transactions. I mean, what’s your sense on pricing these days?

Barry Johnston

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

Pricing has been the case over the last year is very competitive and we are – our new projection is from a yield standpoint is down from what our legacy loans have been. We would expect to see that continue throughout the year. So I think we will see some decrease in the yield as we continue to produce those type of loans.

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

And that’s why Matthew, I guess, we really thought good about the fact we did get a 1 basis point increase. We’ll take that, in this rate environment we’ll certainly take that over the next couple of quarters if we can just manage to maintain that overall lead.

Matthew Clark

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

I guess that was my next question around loan pricing just curious what the average rate was on new money this quarter. I think last quarter I think you estimated 20, 25 basis points below the core portfolio, which I think is I think is around 368 excluding purchase accounting, so just curious if there is any update there?

Ron Copher

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

Last quarter the new production was coming right in that 440, 442 range. So far in the first quarter of this year, we’re looking at right around 457, little bit better the production this – and maybe that's another reason why we’re not seeing, we’re able to actually increase the yield on the overall portfolio Matthew, maybe it's because the difference from the legacy portfolio versus the new production wasn’t quite as dramatic as it had been the quarter before. And again, the type and the type of [00:01:32] and some indicate or in some instances I think Barry you’d agree that it depends on the market that’s booking some of these too. I mean certainly some of our markets are – we see it they’re more competitive than others, wouldn’t you say?

Barry Johnston

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

Yeah some markets were we have a larger market share, those divisions are able to hold their yields better than some of them where we have smaller market share and competing for a smaller share of the market. But overall we are pretty pleased where we ended up the quarter.

Ron Copher

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

And that number you know that new production number was certainly better than last quarter Matthew.

Matthew Clark

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

Yeah that should help also with your guidance of trying to hold a 4% margin, I got to give you credit; you’re not yourself much wiggle room at 401.

Ron Copher

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

No, no that's true. So but - hey it never hurts to have a goal and that’s our goal for the year, we’re going to do our [00:02:36] to make sure that everything within our power we can hold that.

Matthew Clark

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

Yeah makeshift obviously key do that. Thank you.

Ron Copher

Analyst · Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

You bet Matthew.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Matthew Forgotson from Sandler O'Neill. Your line is open.

Matthew Forgotson

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Your line is open

Can you just talk to us at a high level just kind of across the footprint, where are you seeing competition the fiercest where are you seeing opportunities to gain lending share any particular corners of the footprint have you pulled back materially in light of the competitive dynamics just your overall thoughts on the market what’s attractive and what's not?

Ron Copher

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Your line is open

And I’ll let Barry chime into on this but the one thing that I noticed was the growth this last quarter which for the first quarter the year like I said was pretty exceptional for what our expectation were and what we historically experienced in the first quarter but it was also I think very well diversified among all the geographies. I mean really didn't see where Wyoming had nothing going on or it was coming out of western Montana or Colorado was slow. We had nice production levels for the most part coming from all the various banks, I think for most part they did participate, did they Barry?

Barry Johnston

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Your line is open

All but to one state flat, two were down just a small amount and all the other divisions had loan growths.

Ron Copher

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Your line is open

Loan growths, so that's another really good thing from our perspective is, when we can geographically disperse the growth.

Matthew Forgotson

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Your line is open

A follow-up to that with the last quarter, you dialed back the loan growth expectation a little bit citing some frostiness in the market. I can imagine the competitive dynamic that changed all that much given what rates have done since. Can you just kind of help reconcile that comment about frostiness versus with the outstanding growth we saw in the first quarter?

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Your line is open

Yeah. And as we’ve mentioned before, a big -- a nice percentage of the growth and certainly the reason that we probably exceeded our expectations in the first quarter came from the one niche we’ve talked about before on the municipal loan side. Now, that’s a very complex and it’s a type of loan that you really need a high level of skillset to be able to do that kind of lending. We’ve got it. We’ve been doing it now for over three years. We’ve got the internal skills and the internal knowledge to pull that off. At the same time, that is very, very, very good quality loans. I mean, here, you’re talking loans that in many cases are AA, AAA, have the AA, AAA moniker associated with them or attached to them. And again that was really a big reason as to why we did hit the levels that we did in the first quarter. I think if you back those out, we’re a lot closer to our original projections. So getting back to your question, Matt, yes, we’ve been talking about dialing back and being more conservative and I absolutely think we have done that on, especially on the conventional loan products, but this one product that we have really focused on and we have developed the skills around, we certainly don’t have any issues doing more and more of that level and that type of loan product and that was really the differentiator this quarter for us. So, it was kind of a good news, good news. I mean, we did have much better loan volume than we projected. I think the reason for that came from this one type of loan, but that one type of loan carries excellent asset quality. That’s way different than the other loans that we’ve booked. So, I think in this case, it was kind of the best of both worlds.

Matthew Forgotson

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Your line is open

Great. And then just lastly, how big was the gain on the bank building that you sold during the quarter?

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Your line is open

Oh, let’s see. That was the building down in Polson. I know we sold it for, I’m not sure, what we had it on the books, I guess it was about 250,000, 275,000, somewhere around there. I think we -- that was the gain that we booked. Yeah. Right around 250,000 to 275,000.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] We do have a question from Daniel Cardenas from Raymond James. Your line is open.

Daniel Cardenas

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

Hey. Good morning, Mick. Just a quick question, a follow-up on the municipal loans, does higher quality indicate lower yields on that portfolio. I mean what’s your average yield on the municipal lending portfolio?

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

Well, we’ve been doing, I don’t have that average in front of me, but certainly I can tell you that yes, I mean, you’re not going to get the same type of yield that you do on a more conventional product. What I will tell you is you do get paid for understanding the complexity of these loans and on a risk adjusted basis, I think it’s a very, very good product. So certainly the pricing is not what you would expect on a conventional basis, but on a risk adjusted basis, it’s an excellent product, but once again, I don’t want to downplay the complexity. I mean, you do need to have some real expertise to be in this market to make sure that all the [indiscernible]. We just again have gotten that and built that skillset up in this company over the last number of years. We actually had the skillset before we even started getting into this, but we’ve certainly leveraged that skillset more in the last couple of years.

Daniel Cardenas

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

And then who are your main competitors in this arena, the small community banks or is it the larger?

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

No. It will be the larger banks for sure.

Ron Copher

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

Yeah. On occasion, we’ll get a small community bank bidding for a very small amount, but usually the size of these transactions are way above their legal ending limit, so they aren’t that competitive. If they do get on it, they usually have to do offline participants, which is a challenge on some of these type of projects given the limited knowledge and understanding of the expertise in those small community banks to valuate that product.

Daniel Cardenas

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

Okay, makes sense. And then looking at your security to asset ratio, I mean you've kind of in that 36% give or take a few bps for the last couple of years, I mean what do you envision that ratio going as you approach that $10 billion mark?

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

In a perfect world, Dan, you like to see it continue to move downward. But as I mentioned in the last couple quarters, for us it's a little bit about more challenging for us to say, well, we are going to take this investment portfolio from 36 down to 30 or to 25, because we’ve always prided ourselves on the level of yield and the performance of that. You got to remember that a lot of that investment portfolio has got some very, very, very high yielding legacy municipals that we bought. Six, seven, eight years ago we certainly took advantage of some opportunities that the market gave us over the years and we’ve picked our - we've picked our times and we’ve picked our opportunities very carefully and we've got an investment portfolio that is right up there at the very top among our peers as far as yield. So for us to say, well, we're just going to drop this thing down by 10% or something, it makes it more difficult. Again, would we like to have a smaller investment portfolio crossing over $10 billion? Possibly, but I don't think that couple of years ago when we were looking at this, we probably thought that would be the case, that we would move lower and lower and lower not cross over with any of kind of a size, but when you look at the yield that we drive versus at the margin yield for loans in that there's not a huge, huge difference. So I think our expectations, Dan, to answer your question, are that we could very well approach $10 billion and not see a material change in the overall percentage of – Now, if we grow another billion, I don’t necessarily think that we would continue to maintain or want to maintain that 36, so I mean I would hope that most of the additional earning assets that come on to the balance sheet would be in other forms outside of securities. So that in of itself when you cross over 10 billion could lower that percentage somewhat, but I don't believe you are going to see a massive move lower in the form of the percentage of securities to total assets. So guessing maybe we could be at 33 or something like that when we get to that level where $900 million, basically we are about $900 million away, so if that $900 million came on and a good share of that was in the form of loans, yeah, it would obviously offset that percentage or lower that percentage a little bit, but it is not going to get down into the mid to low 20s. Just don't expect that.

Daniel Cardenas

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

Okay. All right, good. All my other questions have been answered. Thanks. Good quarter.

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

Thanks, Dan.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time I am showing no further questions. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Mick Blodnick, President and CEO of Glacier Bancorp for any closing remarks.

Mick Blodnick

Analyst · RBC Capital, your line is open

Okay, and thank you all very much for joining us this morning. Like we just reported we thought it was a pretty solid quarter, lot of good things, a couple of surprises. Certainly I think the loan growth was a nice surprise, but I also know that the banks have been working very, very hard especially on a couple of those loan categories that we think we've got an opportunity to grow. If we can hold the margins through the next couple of quarters that would be terrific. We certainly as we enter into the second and third quarters historically fee income and that has gotten a little bit better. We get into the tourist reason. We are hoping for a very, very strong tourist season this year with the big national parks and everything else that we have going for us. Gas prices have very well behaved, so if tourism can be what we think it can be this year, that’s going to help significantly too. Last thing I want to mention is I think, we were very, very fortunate that there was really no real significant – we had really no significant energy exposure on our balance sheet and in our loan portfolio, and I think from a credit quality perspective that’s certainly helping us go forward. So some good things. But I also want to mention that while we have got 2,000 people that are working on CCP, and it effects just about all 2,000 of them in one way or another. And I can’t thank them enough for all the work they are doing on the CCP front, at the same time, like I said, they have got their day jobs too. And their day jobs are to grow this company and help and meet customers’ needs. And right now and through the rest of this year, that’s a lot to ask. So far they have been incredible and I don’t expect that to change at all over the next three quarters as we continue to work our way through this massive project. So with that, I hope everyone has a great weekend. And we will look forward to talking again. Bye now.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today’s conference. This concludes the program. You may now disconnect. Everyone have a great day.