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Golub Capital BDC, Inc. (GBDC)

Q1 2011 Earnings Call· Fri, May 6, 2011

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon. Welcome to the Golub Capital BDC Inc. March 31, 2011 quarterly earnings conference call. Before we begin, I would like to take a moment to remind our listeners that remarks made during this call may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Statements other than the statements of historical facts made during this call may constitute forward-looking statements and are not guarantees of future performance or results and involve a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements as a result of a number of factors, including those described from time-to-time in the Golub Capital BDC, Inc.’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. For a slide presentation that we intend to refer to on the earnings conference call, please visit the Events and Presentations link on our homepage of our website, www.golubcapitalbdc.com and click on the Investor Presentation’s link to find the March 31, 2011 investor presentation. Golub Capital BDC’s earnings release is also available on the company’s website in the Investor Relations section. As a reminder this conference is being recorded Friday May 6, 2011. I will now turn the call over to David Golub, Chief Executive Officer of Golub Capital BDC. Please go ahead.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

Thanks very much. Good morning, everybody and thanks for joining us today. I have with me Ross Teune our Chief Financial Officer. I hope you’ve been able to take a look at our earnings release in our investor presentation it’s posted on our website we’re going to look forward to some portions of that presentation over the course of the call today. I’m going to start by providing an overview of the March 31, 2011 quarterly financial results. I am also going briefly discuss what we’re seeing in the current market environment, Ross is going to take you through our quarterly financial results in more detail and then I’m going to come back and provide some reflections on our first year being a public company before opening the floor for questions. So with that let me get started. For the quarter ended March 31, 2011 as expected financial results were we’re much study if you goes it’s compared to the quarter ended 12 31, 2010. New deal activities flowed repayments remained relatively high and this is a combination which limited our growth in total investments. This is very much in keeping with our expectations you’ll recall in our last call I talked about how deal activity in the early part of this calendar year it’s slow down after a very busy quarter ending December 31, 2010. So, highlights for the quarter EPS was $0.33 per share down a penny from $0.34 per share last quarter net investment income was $0.29 per share again down a penny from last quarter. We had another quarter of what I like to call negative credit losses what I mean by that is that is that net realized and unrealized schemes on investments there are about $0.04 this year same as last quarter this is…

Ross Teune

Chief Financial Officer

Thanks David. Let kind of flow through the investor presentation David already touched on some of the EPS information and net asset value information on page 2 so I’m lets started page 3 kind of portfolio highlights as we noted in our originations press release back early April, we closed a new investment commitments totaling 54.6 million for the quarter ended March 31 access from repayments in the sales total 46 million for the quarter well overall net funds growth was 6.6 million. Looking towards middle of the page as shown on the asset mix table, we increase the overall percentage of unitranch deals by about 3 percentage points this quarter with the offsetting decrease in the traditional senior secure product category as you’ll notice the junior debt and equity product categories in percentage terms remained unchanged. Turning over to the next slide the balance sheet as of March 31, total assets were 495.5 million which included total investments of 389 million of fair value and total cash and restricted cash of just under 60 million. Liabilities were 197.5 million which includes 174 million an affording rate debt that we issued towards securitization and we’re also includes 20 million of fixed rate SBA debentures. At the end of March net assets were 262 million and our net asset value per share as David mentioned was $14.75. Flipping over to slide five with respect to our operations for the quarter total investment income was $9.1 million as you will see with essentially flat quarter-over-quarter other interest income excluding fee amortization increased by nearly 700,000 during the quarter due to higher average investments as well as an increase in the average interest income yield this increase was offset by decline in fee amortization caused by decrease in middle market loans at paid…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from the line of Joel Houck with Wells Fargo, please proceed with the question. Joel Houck – Wells Fargo: Thank you and good morning David and Ross. I wonder if you can maybe update us on the close as you can the size of the lower-yielding broadly-syndicated loans that are targeted for moving out of the portfolio over the next several quarters or how long it takes.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

So we’ve been to your point –we’ve been working down a set of broadly-syndicated loans that were in the portfolio at the time of the IPO and replacing those loans overtime with new loans. We’ve got about $20 million of such loans right now that we’re looking to replace and that I anticipate replacing over the next several quarters. Joel Houck – Wells Fargo: Okay and kind of unrelated question, the asset mix I noticed obviously your increased force near tracks and junior debt and no one likes to be pinned down the exact number. Maybe give us some thoughts on how you see that playing out over the next several quarters and what we might see out of Golub?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

Well, to your point I think predicting these things has always challenging, we’re going to make the investments that we think are the best investments not within eye toward hitting in any particular month or any particular quarter, a targeted asset mix. But I’ll tell you, right now we’re at a unitranch percentage of 29% and we’re at a junior debt and equity percentage of about 15%. I’d like to see us push both of those up by about 10 percentage points over the relatively near term. Joel Houck – Wells Fargo: Okay, now that’s helpful. And then last question, I was just you mentioned the increase in grade three can you give us a little color with their how many, what type of companies and what were you seeing that that caused you to lower the rating on those names?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

Sure, first let me tell you. I think we’re very tough graders. So when we do a downgrade to three, I mean, a couple of these or companies that would fall into the category, I’m not at all worried about them from a credit perspective but we’re seeing by way of example in the restaurant space, we’re seeing that some restaurant credits are having a more challenging time passing through food price increases than others. So one of the credits that’s in here is a restaurant credit that again I’m not worried about, I think it’ll be doing fine. But we’ve seen some weaker than expected results that relate principally to margin. One of the themes that I think we are going to seeing more and more over the course of the coming period is the dispersion of results the economic recovery has led to most companies seeing vastly better results over the course of last couple of years as we move into the first quarter of this year. And I anticipate this is a trend that will continue through 2011. We are going to see a greater degree of dispersion of results where some companies are going to continue to have momentum and other companies are going to struggle year-over-year with showing improvements. Joel Houck – Wells Fargo: Okay, thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Dean Choksi, UBS. Please proceed with your question. Dean Choksi – UBS: Good morning gentlemen. Can you talk a little bit more about the average EBITDA level of the companies in the pipeline or in the new commitments?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

Sure, I mean as a generalization, our marketing efforts aims to source middle market opportunities with companies that range in range in EBITDA from about $10 million at the low end to about $40 million at the high end with most of what we do being solid, be in the middle of that range in the $15 million to $30 million range. And that has not been different recently Dean, I’d say our recent experience has been very consistent with our historical experience. We see opportunities in that full range. We want to see opportunities in that full range, that means from a competitive standpoint that we find ourselves competing with different groups of other firms of the small end of our target range versus the high end. But we’re not changing our stripes in terms of, in term of the kind of the deals that we are going after. Dean Choksi – UBS: Okay, and then you’ve also mentioned to give some color on the market terms and pricing that you are seeing. Can you talk about what’s driving the changes in pricing as the fundamentals are improving in the underlying companies or is it new entrants coming and pressuring pricing? What’s really driving those changes that you are seeing?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

I think we are – as we in the middle market are lagers of what happens in the probably syndicated loans market I think I said before we are insulted but not immune. So when new probably syndicated deals are getting at market lower spreads then there were 6 months ago or 9 months ago, and evidently that causes there to be pressuring in our market. Right now you’ve got a large group of borrowers very sophisticated private equity firm led borrowers, who did transactions in 2008, 2009, 2010 times when credit was challenging to get them and terms where owners from borrower standpoint. And they are looking at world and saying why should I be paying this much. And for us as lenders, we need to be responsive to market forces or we lose the assets. So I think one of the things that we’ve seen and that is going to be a theme for the BDC sector over the course of remainder of this year. You are going to see a very, very high level of refinancing, recapitalizations and relatively short lived high priced 2009, 2010 deals.

Ross Teune

Chief Financial Officer

This will affect us less than it will affect some other BDC’s because we don’t have within Golub capital BDC we don’t have a portfolio that has a very large proportion of those 2009, 2010 vintage deals. But if you are looking at by way of example being if you are looking at 15% mezzanine deal that was originated in 2009 or 2010 and the company has done well, that company has a lot of refinancing sources right now. And about the last thing they’re going to want to do is keep that mezzanine loan outstanding. So my own view is that as we look at a year from now, year and half from now there are going to two kinds of 2009, 2010 loans. There are going to be those that have been refinanced and those that the lenders which they never made. Dean Choksi – UBS: That definitely be interesting dynamic just to watch to play out. Can you just with the kind of the shift and the target asset mix how does that change your view on leverage at the portfolio level kind of looking out on normalized basis.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

I am sorry, I not sure, I understand your question. Dean Choksi – UBS: Well, if you guys are moving from subject more to unitranch does that change your kind perspective how much leverage you’d use.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

How much leverage we’d use at the BDC? Dean Choksi – UBS: Yes.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I mean definitely look at those two in combination. I mean we are not as a generalization –we are not comfortable thinking about leveraging our junior debt portfolio. We think that leverage junior debt is a bad concept and that the last cycle proved that in space. These of the senior debt and unitranch loans we have a long history of successfully managing leverage portfolios of those and we anticipate continuing to do what we are doing now which is to use prudent levels of low cost flexible long duration match funded leverage against those portfolios. Dean Choksi – UBS: All right, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Troy Ward with Stifel Nicolaus. Please proceed with your question. Troy Ward – Stifel Nicolaus: Thank you and good morning.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Troy. Troy Ward – Stifel Nicolaus: Real quick on your April originations can you give us indication where you are seeing the yields on the April origination comes in?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

I think that I can tell you that the yields on our new investments are consistent with my comments where we are seeing yields in the market on tradition seniors and on mez with one stop being in between, I am sorry, I can’t give you more specifics. We didn’t disclose the more specifics in our queue. So I can’t give more specifics on the $33 million of new origination that we did. Troy Ward – Stifel Nicolaus: Okay, fair enough. And can you just provide a little bit more color on the prepayment activity obviously we agreed that’s going to be big driver this year with regarding to net portfolio. So when you think about, when you see a repayments in the prior couple of quarters is that more driven or is it entirely driven by folks coming to you unsolicited repayments, are you still moving some as the portfolio. And is that just your syndicated stuff or are you moving other out as well?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

So in the last quarter a portion of our exits were sales as opposed to refinancings or repayments. The approximate number for that would about 16 million of the exists related to – sales bias, we are going to continue to have that kind of activity as we move out the remaining portion of our probably syndicated portfolio other than small probably syndicated portfolio that we are going to using on an ongoing basis and alternative to holding cash because holding cash 22 basis points so painful so I think we’ll see a little bit more of that from our story, I think the big drivers of exit for us and for others over the rest of this year is going to be combination of private equity firms putting companies up for sale we are seeing more and more that activity that activity as P firms who are happy with the performance of their portfolio companies and happy with the multiple that are available in the market for seller looking to pose some wins on the board. But even bigger category in mind is going to be refinancing where in an environment in which you have a deployed and spreads there is a very large incentive on borrowers to reduce their borrowing cost by refinancing I don’t even think for it to beginning of beginning of bad I think this is something that – is going to become that the central theme of our market over the course of the next year 18 months. Troy Ward – Stifel Nicolaus: Okay, and you think about refinance and M&A picking up as the private equity gets more intrigue with the current pricing how are you viewing the primary versus the secondary market from an attractive standpoint today.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

We are not players at the present time in secondary purchase we think as a generalization that liquid credit markets have gotten so tight that there is its very challenging to find value there so we think that our origination base model is key success factor in current market conditions because it enables us to create as opposed to buying existing to create new loans at – much more attractive terms, much more attractive spreads if we were and we are not if we were one of the BDC that cost us over between the high yield market and the origination market will be running from the high yield market right now. Troy Ward – Stifel Nicolaus: Fair enough, and then one final question high percentage your portfolios floating rates can you remind us whether kind of the average floor is on those models?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

You know it’s shifted a little bit I say most of the floors are one and half percent. Troy Ward – Stifel Nicolaus: Great thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jaunty Rogers [ph] with Janney Capital Markets, please proceed the question. Jaunty Rogers – Janney Capital Markets: Good morning thanks for taking my question. In the current environment how does unitranch stock ups versus the traditional so senior mess structure in terms of attractiveness in the total cost of the borrower.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

It’s a great question – it’s a great question the answer is at one level credit specific let me tell you how we talk about to our private equity from clients about the trade off, from their perspective from the borrowers perspective the advantage of unitranch steel are couple, first is it’s a lot simpler, you have one lender you don’t have to negotiate, and or credit or agreements, you don’t have two parallel negotiations going on if you have subsequent changes that you want to make to covenant or level of capital spending or you want to do an acquisition or have a divestiture you have only one party that you need to get and approval from mix like much easier. second element of the advantages financial, one of the strange ironies of the traditional senior mess structure is that as the borrower generates cash flow to pay down debt the first debt that gets paid down is the least expensive debt is senior debt so for our successful borrower with a traditional senior mess structure there average cost of capital increases with their success this is a strange counter fugitive type of situation but it’s the nature of having free cash flow sweets and amortization on senior debt. The BD of the one stop solution is that that doesn’t happen you have pay down of your one stop dead end and your cost of capital stays the same overtime. So, when private equity sponsors are looking at the choice of senior and mess on the one hand versus one stops these are some of the consideration that come into play I think in our experience now that the one stop answer proves very attractive for companies with EBITDA of $30 million or lower as you move above $30 million it becomes more attractive not necessary compelling but it becomes more attractive for sponsors to look at the two layer cake solutions because of the number of mezzanine buyers who are out there, interested in large size mezzanine transaction and because of the trusty nature of the senior debt in that situation whether the senior is on the verge of his probably syndicated loans. Jaunty Rogers – Janney Capital Markets: Great that’s helps and just question on the SBIC I guess you have $135 million of debentures outstanding at revolving funds what do you see those debentures ruling off and when does those roll of, do you see that increased availability of being allocated to the BDC or with those other funds – issues need benches.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

So right now across Golub Capital we’ve manage three different SBIC one of those is subsidiary area of Golub Capital BDC our intension and we had prior communications investors about this we have prior communication to the SBA on this, our intension is to grow the BDC SBIC and to wind down the other two and we are not actively making new investments through our two non BDC SBIC moment we are just doing some follow one’s through vehicles but no new investments and it’s our intension to continue that if I am right that are we going to entering in an environment with a lot of repayment activity and refinancing activity then – we should see fairly grafted repayments within the legacy SBICs which would open up significant capacity for our BDC SBIC as of now it’s not a constraining factor we are not constrained right now in our SBIC within the BDC by our outside SBICs and we plan and growing additional SBIC debentures within the BDC this quarter, next quarter and the quarter after and growing our SBIC within the BDC.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from line of (inaudible), please proceed with the question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good morning gentleman, congratulation on your one year. David a quick question when does that incentive catch-up hurdle or run out?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

So, the way that our structure works is there is a affectively on an annualize basis there is an 8% preferred return for investors following which we go into the catch-up component of our water fall and that the catch-up component would end when the manager gets 20% of the net investment income so effectively that 10% pre incentive fee ROE.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, and that will take us out to what, well that take us out to the end of the 2011 or in 2012 from what you are running at currently?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

Well that’s a great question and my honest answer is I don’t know, as we shift the mix of our investments and as we put more investments into the BDC, both of those things will increase our net investment income and pulls us through the catch-up and up to higher lease for shareholders. Our goal is to, our goal is frankly to do that as quickly as we responsibly can and I certainly hope to be through that before the end of this year. But, there are lot of factors that, that are going to go into that and my honest answer is I don’t know.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And just, if I understand that right basically it’s going to be harder for the earning to improve until that incentive fee catch-up hurdle is passed.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

It’s going to be harder for us to raise our net investment income until we are through that catch and that’s exactly what.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay and just one follow up question for something you said earlier. In dollars how big is your total exposure to hospitality including restaurant, hotels and motels and so forth?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

I don’t know the answer that up off the top of my head, we can come back to you because it is a public ally disclosed item. We can come back to you with an exact number in the queue if you want to look before we can get back to you in the queue you can look at the industry breakout in the schedule of investments, you will find that we have a very diversified portfolio both by industry and within industry by Obligor.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, I didn’t have a chance to fully look it all up, I will take a look at it. Thanks again.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

You’re welcome.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instruction) Our next question comes from the line of David Miyazaki with Confluence Investment Management, please proceed with your question. David Miyazaki – Confluence Investment Management: Hello, good morning. First I wanted to say I appreciate your comments of not viewing this business as an entitlement and managing your capital raises. I think that becoming bigger as clearly been a prodigy for many of the companies industry and not necessarily getting better, so, we do appreciate that management style. I wanted to see if you could provide a little bit of perspective from beside of the private equity investor with regard to how they view refinancing. You said that you thought that many of the 09, 2010 (inaudible) are more likely to prepay, yeah, I am just curious does the make hole not working to the economics to help prevent that or slow it down some one?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

So, our clients are incredibly smart, on the private equity side and the way they think about things is that breakeven analysis. So, they will think David, how long do you I think I am going to own this company for before I put it up for sale. That defines the time period that is relevant that they want to measure against and then they look at whether the all in cost of doing a refinancing including a prepayment fee if there is one including legal cost or other fees or expenses that maybe associated with refinancing and they measure that against the interest rate savings that they can generate over the period between now and when they are going to sell. And generally speaking if that analysis yield something marginal they have got better stuff to do but if that analysis shows that they can save a meaningful amount of money they are all over. David Miyazaki – Confluence Investment Management: And so, in the way that you look at the opportunities of refinance particularly as they already de-leverage right now that it’s a pretty easy call for many of them to go and just eat the pre-payment fee?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

Well, again that fact set here is, I can’t think about this policy but I mean if the company has done really well they may want to sell the company and put the win on the board, which will help them in fund raising for their next fund or just be able to declare victory and go home, in that scenario you got repaid but second scenario is they decide they want to hold on to the company for a substantial period of time and to your point they will leverage significantly and the market got stronger from a landing standpoint, so, which generally lower all that spills an opportunity to refinance at the significantly lower cost of capital. If they are going to hold the company for an extended period of time again it’s going to make sense for them to refinance even if there is a meaningful prepayment penalty and we are going to be repaid but the third scenario is they aren’t ready to sell yet but they also aren’t planning to hold for a long time and in that third scenario it may make sense for them to just not do anything and in that scenario we as lender get to enjoy relatively high spread for a period of time given the credit risk. So, those are the dynamics and I think in an environment where we are seeing a lot of M&A activity, I think categories one and two are pretty big and category three is pretty small. David Miyazaki – Confluence Investment Management: Okay, that’s helpful, thank you. I also want to touch on you, you comment that you are expecting higher defaults going forward and long alongside your comment that if you did traffic and the look what high outside of the market that you would be running away from that side of things right now, when you think about the default rising, is that sort of related to, you talked a little bit about lack of pricing pattern for your restaurant credit but is it something beyond that, is it economic issue, you are seeing backlog that your company is declining or is it too much leverage or poor structure. Could you kind of give a little bit of colors to how you come up with the expectation for higher default, that you see and not certainly for you guys?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

So, at one level David the answer is, it’s simply where are at that stage of the cycle right, when you come out of the downturn you see a typically see a dramatic reduction in default activity for a period of time and then things start to creep up again. So, part of it is just purely cyclical second part of it is in our judgment we are seeing a very slow ladling recovery. The number has just came out this morning on employment that it’s a little better than expected but if you look at overall employment level now verses pre-recession we are still in the midst of an extraordinarily slow period of job growth given that we just have the recession. We are still seeing very significant weakness in new home construction and commercial construction, we are seeing despite the decline of last two days very high commodity prices and gas prices at the pump, all of this is leading us to believe that coming period is going to be challenging for companies to be generating growth and from an underwriting perspective this is a theme I have been sounding for a couple of quarters but I emphasized it again, again today, we are not counting on a robust recovery in the context of our underwriting. I think there are lots of elements of the credit market that are counting on a much more robust recovery then we are and if the way to that recovery isn’t happening then that’s going to translate into higher defaults. David Miyazaki – Confluence Investment Management: Okay, thank you very much, David, appreciate your thoughts.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

I would like to thank you everyone for joining us this morning and as always we are available to answer questions at any time from our investors. So, please feel free to reach out to either me or Ross should you have other questions today or going forward.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentleman that does conclude the conference call for today, we thank you for your participation and ask that you please disconnect your line. Have a great day.