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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Golub Capital BDC Inc. March 31, 2017 Quarterly Earnings Conference Call. Before we begin, I would like to take a moment to remind our listeners that remarks made during this call may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Statements other than statements of historical facts made during this call may constitute forward-looking statements and are not guarantees of future performance or results and involve a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements as a result of a number of factors, including those described from time-to-time in Golub Capital BDC Inc’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. For a slide presentation that the company intends to refer to on today's earnings conference call, please visit the Investor Resources tab on the homepage of the company's Web site at www.golubcapitalbdc.com, and click on the Events Presentation link to find the March 31, 2017 Investor Presentation. Golub Capital BDC’s earnings release is also available on the Company’s Web site in the Investor Resources section. As a reminder, this call is being recorded for replay purposes. I will now turn the call over to David Golub, Chief Executive Officer of Golub Capital BDC. Please go ahead, sir.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

Thanks very much, Carlos. Hi everybody, and thanks for joining us today. I am joined by Ross Teune, our Chief Financial Officer; and Greg Robbins, Managing Director here. Yesterday afternoon, we issued our earnings press release for the quarter ended March 31 and posted an earnings presentation on the Web site. We are going to be referring to this presentation throughout the call today. I am going to start by giving you an overview of the March 31 quarterly financial results. Ross is then going to take you through the results in more detail and then I’ll come back and provide some closing remarks and open the floor for questions. The quarter was another solid one for GBDC. For those of you who are new to the company as investors, our investment strategy today is and since inception has been to focus on providing first lien senior secured loans to healthy Brazilian middle market companies that are backed by strong partnership oriented private equity sponsors. Last quarter in my remarks I talked about two macro trends. First, I talked about the continuation of credit market inflation and what I meant by that was we were seeing tighter spreads, higher leverage and looser terms in our part of the credit market. The second macro trend I talked about was that we were seeing mix data on prospects for the economy. On the one hand equities and confidence surveys pointed to accelerating growth prospects but on the other hand earnings and growth seasons were lackluster. I will come back and talk more about those trends in my closing remarks. In a nutshell, we are seeing both trends persist and this is creating a challenging investment environment. With that, let's dive into the details for the quarter. Net increase in net assets resulting…

Ross Teune

Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, David. I will start on Slide 5. We had total originations of $106 million and total exits and sales of investments of $73.2 million, which contributed to net funds growth of $37.7 million for the quarter. Turning to Slide 6. This Slide shows that our overall portfolio mix by investment type has remained very consistent quarter-over-quarter with one stop loans continuing to represent our largest investment category at 77%. Turning to Slide 7. This Slide illustrates the fact that the portfolio continued to remain well diversified with an average investment size of $8.7 million. Our debt investment portfolio remained predominantly invested in floating rate loans and there have been no significant changes in the industry classification percentages over the past year. Turning to Slide 8. The weighted average rate of 6.4% on new investment this quarter was down from 6.9% in the previous quarter, primarily due to asset mix with traditional senior loans representing the majority of new investments. Furthermore, as we noted in our last call, market spreads continued to compress. As a reminder, the weighted average rate on new investments is based on the contractual interest rate at the time of funding. For variable rate loans the contractual rate will be calculated using current LIBOR, the spread over LIBOR and the impact of any LIBOR floor. Shifting the graph on the right hand side. This graph summarizes investment portfolio spreads for the quarter. Focusing first on the light blue line, this represents the income yields or the actual amount earned on the investments including interest and fee income but excluding the amortization of discounts and upfront fees. The income yield remained constant at 7.7% for the quarter. The investment income yield, the dark blue line which represents amortization of fees and discounts increased modestly to 8.2% during…

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Ross. So to summarize. GBDC had a solid second fiscal quarter of 2017. The key drivers for the quarter were consistent investment incomes from credit quality and access to the Golub Capital origination platform. I want to shift back to the macro environment. The two trends that I mentioned at the beginning of the call. As I mentioned, the trends we identified last quarter are persisting. We are still seeing signs of credit market inflation and we are still seeing mixed data on prospects for the economy. Let me give you a quick update on each of these theme. Let's start with credit market inflation. I have used this term for a couple of quarters to describe what happens to credit markets when we see too much capital chasing too few deals. Spreads go down, leverage goes up and terms got loser. We have started to see signs of credit market inflation in 2016, particularly in the second half and the trend has continued into 2017. I would estimate that spreads under the market senior loans have tightened by 25 to 50 basis points in the last six months. But leverage on senior and one stop loans has prepped up by a quarter to half a turn and the terms, especially those relating to EBITDA add backs continue to loosen. We think that smart investors in this environment are treading cautiously. Slowing their investment activity and becoming very selective about new deals. Across the Golub Capital platform, Q1 middle market origination volume was down about 25% year-over-year and an unusually high percentage, about 50% of our Q1 origination volume was in the form of add on loans to existing portfolio companies. We think this shows one of our competitive advantages are ability to generate attractive opportunities from our portfolio…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Jonathan Bock with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Jonathan Bock

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

David, as the means to condense spread compression, BDCs are utilizing non-qualified buckets. There is front end or front end leverage on various transactions. Can you walk through, for us, the view of potential expansion of growth within the SLF facility to perhaps generate better ROEs on what we will all know to be very quality first lien directly originated senior secured loans.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

Sure. I want to, before I answer that, just to give a philosophical answer to that. We at Golub Capital, we don’t invest to solve for an ROE, we invest to solve for a level of credit risk that we are comfortable with. So in an environment in which we see spread compression, our first answer won't necessarily be to increase leverage or to find ways to use our senior loan fund more, which is in essence a way to increase leverage or the shift to higher risk junior debt securities which is also in essence a way of increasing leverage. Our sense is that this is a challenging environment that our strategy ought to be a continuation of what it's been which is to lean heavily on our competitive advantages, to identify new transactions that have attractive risk reward characteristics. And if that means slowing originations, so be it. If that means accepting a degree of spread compression, so be it. And I think, I hope you would see that the one strategy that would be the big mistake in this environment would be to respond by being prepared to take on more risk. Having said that, we do see an opportunity to continue to grow our senior loan fund over time. We have grown it now to substantial size. If we get to the, up $350 million in assets today, and we think that there will be opportunities for us to continue to grow that. We are nowhere near a constraint on the use of our 30% bucket. But we are not going to rush it. We are not going to push it. We are going to grow it as we see appropriate loans to put into that joint venture. Obviously, with the approval and consent of our joint venture partner.

Jonathan Bock

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Fair enough and I appreciate the discussion. Then as leverage is -- or a view of necessarily solving for an ROE but looking at a given level of risk, do you believe that the use of the additional SBIC capacity that you are offered makes for a compelling risk-adjusted return or a compelling risk argument which effectively raises, I think the [indiscernible] $231 million. How should we look at that drawing on that attractive form of financing to finance the sponsor deals going forward? Would you expect to utilize it all here shortly?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

We have to review. We have today a fairly significant amount of unused capacity available for investment. We have that in the form of both restricted and unrestricted cash. Undrawn availability on our bank facility and SBIC debentures that we have the ability to draw but have not yet drawn. I think taken together, those today are about in access of $100 million of availability. So we have unused fire power to be able to grow the balance sheet. Again, assuming we find attractive investment opportunities to deploy. One of the ways is to grow our SBIC debentures outstanding. As of quarter end, we have about $65 million of undrawn SBIC debentures. And we do view that program as being a very attractive source of financing. There are, probably everybody knows there are restrictions on what kinds of loans can go into in SBIC. So it's not as simple as saying, hey, we are just going to deploy those in the next few deals we do. We need to match appropriate transactions to ensure eligibility and compliance with all the SBIC rules.

Jonathan Bock

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Got it. And not to use a quote from the great cinematic masterpiece, Legally Blonde, when they use the comment, orange is the new pink. In this context, it seems that it used to be writing a $100 million check was a huge competitive advantage. 300 and now 500. David, competition for the large sponsor backed deals that you originate, currently has increased. Can you talk about whether or not the ability to write for a check for at all, just been a great competitive advantage for you, is effectively diminished, completely diminished, possibly in the current environment. And if not, really talk about the types of sponsor transactions that you win if a sponsor has the ability to get better term financing in first lien, second lien option originated by an [Anteres][ph].

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

Well, let's take a step back. So we are primarily a buy and hold investor and so when we are in discussions with sponsors about financing one of their transactions, they obviously have a choice between accepting financing from a buy and hold investor like Golub Capital or going the syndication route. And syndications are some times more attractive or less attractive. Today we are in an environment where the syndicated market is a very receptive and offering very attractive terms. But even at such a time there are some very large disadvantages to the syndicated approach. So for example if you are a sponsor and you want to move quickly, or you want to maintain information about your transaction in a very confidential form, or if you are seeking to do a lot of acquisitions after you completed your transaction. You want to do a series of add on debt investments. Those are all characteristics that would make you as a sponsor much prefer a buy and hold investor like Golub Capital to syndicate financing. So I am very comfortable and confident in our ability to win transactions and make investments that are attractive in any set of market conditions. But having said that, John, I think it's prudent for us to be more active and more aggressive in seeking new investments when we see the market environment is really as attractive as we get in the first quarter of 2016. And to be prepared to be more selective to encourage when we think that market conditions are less attractive.

Jonathan Bock

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

And then just a comment on the ability to, one stop or portfolio or large, I mean with more competition in the category, would you say that you are starting to see newer names with larger check sizes competing for your deals or is it always the usual two or three suspects.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

I don’t think we are seeing meaningful change there. I think we still see ourselves as being very distinctive in our capacity to bring to the table large amounts of capital in single transactions. There always have -- those funds are or everyone says to us, hey, we might give the [loan] [ph] to our company, whatever pricing and terms you say are fine with us, I am sure you will be fair. That’s not how our business works. Everything is always competitive. But we still think we have got some very distinctive competitive advantages associated with scale. Particularly in the upper middle market size transactions. But in a market like we are in today, sponsors have a choice not just between us and other potential providers of buy and hold solutions in that upper middle market category, they also have the option of going to the syndicated market. And right now the syndicated market looks particularly attractive to issuers and we are responding to that, I think in the way that we should. Recognizing that market conditions change over time.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Lynch with KBW. Please go ahead.

Ryan Lynch

Analyst · Ryan Lynch with KBW. Please go ahead

First question has to just deal with -- you touched on it a little bit about answer with the competitive environment. So part of the, and as far as the -- you mentioned credit market inflation, heated credit markets. Part of the value proposition for one stop and unitranche loan certainly have closed. That’s not the only value proposition but that’s one of the value propositions and not necessarily better pricing. And so if we are in a market today where we are at heated markets, sponsors maybe not be as worried about certainty of the close as they were in the past and maybe able to obtain first and second lien combo pricing, or first and second lien combo loans and maybe better pricing. So are you seeing that dynamic where sponsors are choosing to opt more for first and second lien structures versus unitranche pricing in today's environment?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

Depends on the transaction. Again, it comes back to what are the important criteria for the sponsor in the particular deal. There are transactions where we are, in our judgment, a big sense is we are a one stop, we think that first lien, second lien structures are the right answer. The places where one stops tend to be most attractive are growth buyouts. So if the sponsor is seeking to serially expand the facility over time without having inner credit or conflicts and without having to refi the whole facility, one stops are particularly powerful because you can just do add on transactions as needed. And it think that is true today as it was a year ago. But I think your statement, Ryan, is also correct that there are circumstances with transactions that maybe aren't so growth oriented where the first lien, second lien looks like the right answer to that. And those are probably more frequent than they were a year ago because for first quarter of last year, the syndication markets were choppy and sponsors were rightfully concerned about certainty of execution.

Ryan Lynch

Analyst · Ryan Lynch with KBW. Please go ahead

Okay. Thanks for that color. Maybe more of a philosophical question on the dynamics of capital raising in today's environment. So with the heated environment, you have kind of two components you have. Your stock price are currently at a level where you guys have maybe the lowest cost of capital that you guys have ever had. So it's very accretive to book value and also you can deploy that capital or you guys or investors to demand a very low return on that capital being raise today. However, we have an environment where, as you have mentioned that it's very tough to put capital to work at good risk adjusted returns. So just from a high level philosophical standpoint, I mean how are you viewing these conflicting dynamics as far as capital raising in today's environment.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

To be honest, we don’t view this environment as different from prior environments. Our rule of thumb for expanding GBDC has always been the same, going back to April of 2010, which will raise additional capital if it's good for existing shareholders, new shareholders and the company. And in order for that to be true, we need to be confident that we will be able to deploy any new capital raised reasonably quickly and at returns that are incrementally good for existing shareholders and the company. So to us, there is kind of two elements to this. There is the math and there is the pipeline. And we look at those all the time.

Ryan Lynch

Analyst · Ryan Lynch with KBW. Please go ahead

Okay. And then just one last one. Ross, I believe you mentioned in your prepared remarks the portfolio rating schedule where you had elevated rated 5 investments this quarter. I believe you said that those were a little bit temporary and some of those were rated 5 are ones that are performing above expectations. And you said that those were expected to maybe be repaid. If I look at kind of over the last couple of quarters, it looks like you guys have about $125 million higher than you guys have kind of run at the last quarter of rated 5 credits. So should we expect big big repayments this upcoming quarter as if you that rated 5 category is about $125 million higher than it was the last couple of quarters. And if so, should we expect them to accelerate OID and potentially fees in calendar second quarter.

Ross Teune

Chief Financial Officer

I can't give you specific quantitative guidance on repayments to be expected in Q2 but I think calendar Q2 -- but I think it is fair, Ryan to anticipate that we are in a period and we are going to stay in a period of higher than usual attention by sponsors to opportunities to refinance. And so my expectations would be that we are going to see more repayments activity over the course the coming quarters than trend line.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Christopher Testa with National Securities. Please go ahead.

Christopher Testa

Analyst · Christopher Testa with National Securities. Please go ahead

David, just on your comments doing more one stop going forward. Just curious if you are anticipating that as you are expecting M&A to improve and for the demand for that to go up? Or just simply because that right now is presenting a better risk adjusted return relative to senior loans on the balance sheet.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

Great question. M&A is a real question mark right now. If you look at the data, new companies coming into the private equity eco system through new LBOs is definitely low and has been for some time. The question of when that is going to change is a great one. I think it will change. I am not sure when. And one of the factors that I think is impacting the situation right now is uncertainty about tax changes. So if we could waive the magic wand and we able to kind of tell the universe of business owners that capital gains rates are or not going to change and how they are going to change and when they are going to change, that would alleviate significant degree of this uncertainty if the resolution was that cap gain rates are going down and that lower wage is going to become applicable starting in January of 2018. Then we are likely to see continued relatively low levels of new M&A until the new cap gains rate takes effect. It will be effectively an incentive for business owners to weight. If on the other hand it becomes clear that there is not going to be a change to cap gains, that would take some people off the fence, of the waiting fence and move them toward engaging in M&A activity sooner. I don’t know how to gauge the probabilities on clarity on the go forward tax regime right now. And as a consequence I am of the view that we are likely to see the relatively slow environment continued for a while. But I think we will probably feel a little bit of improvement from Q1 levels but I think we are likely to see if remained relatively slow for a while until this uncertainty lifts. That the first part of your question. The second part of your question, I would say the degree to which our new originations in Q1 were in traditional senior secured as opposed to goals was in anomaly. I think a couple of quarters from now we will just look at it and say natural variation, degree of [brand] [ph] and variation, that quarter ended up at a little over 50% but the ratio is going to normalize around the 30%, 70% we have seen previously.

Christopher Testa

Analyst · Christopher Testa with National Securities. Please go ahead

Got it. That’s great detail. Thank you. And also I was just wondering, how you are seeing the uses of capital for your originations change from calendar quarter one into calendar two, just the new money versus refi mix for your originations.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

Well, I can't really comment too much on calendar Q2 other than to say that as of now it's a bit better than Q1 was, calendar Q1 was. But we are not yet at the point in the quarter where we can really predict. We always run into the same issue which is much activity tends to take place around quarter end. And if it happens before quarter end then you get one outcome and if it comes after quarter end, you can have a big swing the other way.

Christopher Testa

Analyst · Christopher Testa with National Securities. Please go ahead

Got it. Well, how would you characterize the change in just the backlog then?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

I am pleased to see that overall level of activity that we are seeing in our pipeline seems a bit better in calendar Q2 then it did in Q1. But I think it's too early to be translating that into any prediction about calendar Q2 originations.

Christopher Testa

Analyst · Christopher Testa with National Securities. Please go ahead

Got it. And is there an ABL component to your retail book that’s significant?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

No.

Christopher Testa

Analyst · Christopher Testa with National Securities. Please go ahead

Okay. Got it. And just curious, just going back for a second just on the M&A outlook. Just wondering if there is any particular industries where there is relatively less uncertainty where you could see the M&A picking up even if there remains some overhang from tax changes.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

I have to give that some more thought. I don’t want to give you a flip answer. I am not sure I am able off the top of my head to think through a rationale as to why one sector would be different from another. I think this is owners who foresee the potential to be able to keep more of their sales proceeds that that tends to be a common theme across different businesses. I want to give that some more though I will come back to you if I think of any further nuance to that.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of [Leslie Vendrogrove] [ph] with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

With the realized gain this quarter, could you give me an indication of spill over income at the quarter's end?

Ross Teune

Chief Financial Officer

I am sorry, of what?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Of the spillover income at quarter's end after the realized gain? How much [flexibility] [ph] you guys have?

Ross Teune

Chief Financial Officer

Yes. The taxable spill over income?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes.

Ross Teune

Chief Financial Officer

I will talk with you separately kind of on that question to give you the tax component. I don’t have that in front of me here.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. All right. And the kind of a follow up as to what you guys were discussing earlier. We have heard from some of your peers on commentary that they seem to be seeing a trade off right now on unitranche [indiscernible] products and unconsolidated senior loan funds. But you guys have a tendency in the past to have higher quarters of originations in both simultaneously. So is that something you guys see one do well while the other suffers a bit. Not necessarily materially but moving off that direction on trends or is that not a trend you see?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

So help me understand your question. You are saying that others are seeing that there...

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

The unitranche for the SLF, yes?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

The unitranche, in a quarter where there the SLF does well, it's hard to originate unitranche, is that your question?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes. That’s obviously at attractive term.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

Yes. I haven't really thought about those two as being correlated in one way or another for us. I think, we tend to think about the environment as being attractive for origination or more attractive or less attractive, not so much in terms of SLF versus one stops.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And then, most of my questions have been answered but just on, you talked about the SBIC debenture capacity you have left. Is there a field for the level of activity for those eligible stop loans? Because I know obviously the upper middle market you are seeing spread compression there as they have gotten much more active, put it on the smaller business style. Have you seen the same there?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

I think we have got a long term record that we can look at, of kind of case of deployment of SBIC capital. My expectation is that the forward will look a lot like what we have been doing.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of -- sorry, it's a follow up question from Jonathan Bock, Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Jonathan Bock

Analyst · -- sorry, it's a follow up question from Jonathan Bock, Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Steve and Greg, Golub has been particularly active in the retail oriented sectors and only because you hear broad news that had a rather difficult operating space when we think of like super stores or others that either fall under for adjusted taxation or be impacted by Amazon or technological changes in retail. I would be curious to see how you and your originators are originating credit with those risks in mind and what you are doing to mitigate them.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

Sure. So no question retail is a challenging sector right now. There is excess capacity because of there is too may retail square feet, there is a continuing shift to online, as you said. There are wage pressures. There is also a new phenomena we are seeing which is, much more rapid shifts in consumer tastes where companies are forced to react much more quickly than has been the case previously. We have some exposure to retail. We have always been very cautious in retail. We tend to avoid sectors with significant fashion risk or that are too trendy or faddy. But I would say in the current environment, we are being even more selective in our underwriting in the sector in recognition of the challenges that this sector is facing. You didn’t ask your question I expected you to ask which is, are we worried about our exposures in the sector, and the answer there is, not really. We are watching it very carefully but we think we are in pretty good shape despite the fact that there is some significant headwinds facing the sector.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of [Fade Zazmine with Enfil Capital] [ph] Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I hadn't heard anything mentioned during your presentation about -- I have not heard anything during the last 45 minutes concerning the actual credit metrics of your portfolio. I wonder if you have anything you could share with us concerning the trends in interest expense coverage or leverage, revenue growth of the companies you are invested in?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

Sure. First, we did cover some aspects of how we look at credit looking at both non-accrual trends and at our risk ratings, our 1 to 5 risk ratings. We think those are actually -- in many ways more powerful in describing what's going on from a credit perspective in the portfolio than financial metrics that are disconnected from the actual credit attributes of borrowers. On additional piece that I point you to is we publish each quarter the Golub Capital middle market index which is available on our Web site and it show you year-over-year revenue and EBITDA trends for the portfolio for the first two months of each calendar quarter relative to prior year. And if you pull up that data, you will see that the data points to slowing revenue growth in the portfolio. But still very good revenue growth. And it shows unusual degree of dispersion around EBITDA results where consumer based businesses show decreases year-over-year, technology companies shows very significant increases year-over-year and the average was about flat.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I also wondered if you have any update on noise coming out of Congress concerning the leverage potential to increase for BDCs?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

Yes. The question is about the new proposed legislation related to BDCs. I think it's called the BDC Modernization Act. The new information is that a new version of this has been introduced in the house. I don’t have an update on whether that is viewed as a key legislative priority by republican leadership in the house nor do I have any information on what's going on with that legislation in the Senate. But I think we are tracking it. I think it's going to be interesting to see how the republican Congress prioritizes the many things in process over the course of the remainder of this year.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thank you. And my last question is, with the said comments this week seeming to cement a 25 basis point increase in June in the interest rates. I am wondering kind of two-fold. How you think that might play out in your spread compression comments that you made earlier and then alternatively, obviously you are primarily invested in floating rate asset, so it would probably flow through very quickly into assets. I am wondering if that would mean that there is a potential later in the year for expanded earnings power in the portfolio?

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

So you are correct that almost all of our assets are LIBOR denominated and I think it's reasonable to assume that if the fed raises rates that LIBOR will go up as well. The LIBOR forward curve right now indicates an expectation of rising LIBOR. If we saw an increase in LIBOR, this would be to an increase in earnings because we would have higher interest income. We would have a little bit higher interest expense too because most of our debt is floating rate but we would have higher earnings flow through on the equity funded portion of the loan portfolio and the fixed rate debt supported portion of the loan portfolio. 25 basis points is not a lot in the context of the profitability of the company but I think we are well positioned if LIBOR rate increases continue and become meaningful over the next few quarters or few year. I guess I would also just through in a caution which is, the forwards on treasures have fallen and flattened over the course of the last couple of months. So I am not sure that the market has any confidence and I certainly don’t have any confidence that we are going to see a series of rate increases over the course of this year. We will be prepared for multiple scenarios. One of the scenarios that we will be prepared for and the one that if I had to get guess I view as most likely right now, is one where we see a limited number of increases in the near term.

Operator

Operator

We have no further questions on the phone lines, sir.

David Golub

Chief Executive Officer

Well, I want to thank everyone for joining us again this morning and if you have any further questions, please feel free to reach out to Gregory or to Ross or to me. Thanks again.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. We thank you for your participation and ask you to please disconnect your lines.