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Q1 2017 Earnings Call· Thu, May 26, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Genesco First Quarter Fiscal 2017 Conference Call. Just a reminder, today's call is being recorded. Participants on the call expect to make forward-looking statements. These statements reflect the participants' expectations as of today, but actual results could be different. Genesco refers you to this morning's earnings release and to the Company's SEC filings, including the most recent 10-K filing, for some of the factors that could cause differences from the expectations reflected in the forward-looking statements made during the call today. Participants also expect to refer to certain adjusted financial measures during the call. All non-GAAP financial measures referred to in the prepared remarks are reconciled to their GAAP counterparts in the attachments to this morning's press release and in schedules available on the Company's homepage under Investor Relations. Due to the length of recent conference calls, participants will have the opportunity for one question and one follow-up during the question-and-answer session. I will now turn the call over to Bob Dennis, Genesco's Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead, sir.

Robert J. Dennis

Management

Good morning and thank you for being with us. I'm joined today by our Chief Financial Officer, Mimi Vaughn. Our bottom line results for the first quarter improved from a year ago and exceeded our expectations driven by a significantly better performance from the Lids Sports Group. Adjusted earnings per share were $0.62, up from $0.51 last year. Comparable sales increased 1%, at the lower end of our expected range, but gross margin was considerably better than anticipated and was the major contributor to the better results for the quarter. Comps in our U.S. businesses were solid in the first two months of the quarter, benefiting from the catch-up in income tax refund and an earlier Easter. The comps for the full quarter however reflected a significant slowdown during the last two weeks of April that led to the 1% comp overall. Over in the U.K., the retail environment remained challenging throughout the quarter, particularly at the end, resulting in negative comps for our business there. A major contributor to the improvement in first quarter profitability was the significant swing at Lids as we began to gain traction turning that business around following multiple initiatives we executed during fiscal 2016. This included reducing Lids' retail inventories 25% by year-end through heightened promotional activity that we ramped up throughout the year and especially intensified in the fourth quarter. This allowed us to start fiscal 2017 in a much cleaner inventory position to drive full-price selling and higher margins. In addition, while sales in Q1 were challenged by the offset to Ohio State winning the College Football Championship last year, we benefited from a favorable NBA playoff lineup and a strong start to the baseball season. Beyond the benefits coming from clean inventory and fresh receipts, Lids' shipping and warehousing cost, which…

Mimi E. Vaughn

Management

Thank you, Bob. Good morning, everyone. As a reminder, as usual we have posted more detailed information online in our CFO commentary. For Q1, total sales decreased 2% to $649 million. Excluding Lids Team Sports from last year's sales, total sales would have increased for the quarter. Q1 sales included a 1% increase in consolidated comp sales and increase in non-comp sales of approximately $13 million including 36 Little Burgundy stores we acquired and a decrease of 2% in wholesale sales, not including Lids Team Sports. As Bob mentioned, the comps started the first quarter stronger than they finished. Sales weakened in the last weeks of April when the weather was unseasonably cold on both sides of the Atlantic, slowing sales of spring and summer footwear In particular. By division, comps were up in all our U.S. divisions, up 1% at Journeys, up 2% at Lids and up 6% at Johnston & Murphy, but down 5% at Schuh. We had planned flat to negative comps for Lids but clean inventory and the strength of NBA Basketball and MLB Baseball sales offset other team and promotional sales headwinds we had expected. Consolidated store comps were up 1% and consolidated direct comps were flat, out of step with the trend of double-digit increases we had been experiencing for the last several quarters and putting direct as a percent of total retail sales at 8% for the quarter. Direct comps were negative in Lids and in Schuh for different reasons, offsetting gains in other divisions and causing the total Company average to be flat. Last year in Q1 Lids had turned on its Locate system which gave online access to an additional 50,000 plus SKUs from inventory located in stores, and coupled with promotional sales in connection with the inventory cleanup helped drive…

Robert J. Dennis

Management

Thanks Mimi. I'm going to provide an update on some of the main drivers of growth in each of our businesses in fiscal 2017, starting with Journeys. While traffic has been challenging post-Easter as we said, we believe it's largely weather and calendar driven and expect that as temperatures become more seasonable and we move through the Memorial Day offset, sales trends will improve. In fact, traffic in our northern regions of the country where it has been colder has been more affected than those regions in the south. We were pleased to see ASP increases for Journeys in Q1, due largely to mix changes with the sale of higher-priced product. This is an encouraging trend that not only helps top line but helps operationally as fewer pairs are handled through the system. Looking further ahead, we believe Journeys is well-positioned for back-to-school and holiday given early reads on demand and sell-throughs for fall and winter product that we will be selling then. At the same time, Journeys is making progress on a number of initiatives to drive growth in its direct business. They include supply-chain investments to increase the speed of deliveries to customers, adding more Web exclusive product offerings and increasing catalog and direct marketing to drive higher digital and store traffic. Another exciting growth vehicle is Journeys Kidz. As a reminder, this concept has had positive comps for the past 13 years. We are aiming to build on this momentum by expanding the brand's footprint and plan to open 45 new stores in fiscal 2017. And we are excited about the addition of Little Burgundy which provides a new platform by serving a slightly older customer in Canada with a heavier weighting of female customers compared with Journeys. The business is off to a very good start…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We'll take our first question from Jay Sole with Morgan Stanley.

Jay Sole

Analyst

Bob, I think you mentioned [indiscernible] industry transitioning in the Lids business. Can you just talk more about that and explain what opportunities that may present for Lids? And then my second question is just about balance sheet capacity for more buybacks, if you do choose to opportunistically buy back some shares going forward.

Robert J. Dennis

Management

As we said, we think bringing in Dave Baxter is terrific for what we think is a landscape that continues to shift in licensed sports. Start with the fact that we think we have a very strong strategic position as the largest omnichannel retailer of licensed sports gear, we are making all the investments to continue to drive that as the leader in the category with Locate and Hybrid on our store, and we have addressed the need to be faster as merchandisers. And so we think that leads to additional opportunities down the road. But then if you look at the industry, the definition of retail channels is shifting a little bit. All the leagues are taking a good look at that as well as the vendors, and they seem to be more committed than ever to cleaning up retail, especially online retail, and that all plays to our advantage. And obviously we would like to have a seat and table to somehow influence a little bit of how that happens. Increasingly there are select verticals that might be available to us, that generally comes at a price, but we are surely going to consider it. We're doing a lot in customization which again requires collaboration with the leagues. So as an example, you can get, I forgot how many players we now have, but you can get the autograph of a player custom embroidered on a hat and it's a great offer for the customers, it's a great margin for us. Obviously that's something that we do in collaboration with the leagues and the player associations. We're doing a similar thing with colleges now, Jay. We're taking some of the trademarks they have and setting up the ability to embroider that. So think of an Alabama hat with…

Mimi E. Vaughn

Management

Yes, and Jay, we've been very opportunistic about buying our stock and we go in and buy when we think pricing levels are appropriate. And if that opportunity presents itself this year, we have a $400 million line and we have no U.S. borrowings currently. Of course our peak working capital needs happen in the third quarter and even with that we would have availability to buy back in advance of generating this year's cash flow if we chose to do so. And so, if the opportunity presents itself and we feel like it's the right thing to do, we would have the capacity to do that.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Pam Quintiliano with SunTrust. We'll move next to Chris Svezia with Susquehanna Financial Group.

Chris Svezia

Analyst

I guess, Bob, just for you, just going back to Schuh for a second, I know in the past you have made some comments about how there's some brand separation going on in the U.S. and in the U.K.. How much of what you're seeing is just strictly due to the weather and how much is really better alignment of brands or better traction of key brands? Just maybe talk about the sustainability of seeing comp improvement at Schuh. And then just lastly, Mimi for you, on the gross margin, a slight uptick in terms of the improvement I think relative to your previous guidance. Any color about the cadence and how we think about that through the year? I guess most of the improvement is probably Q4. Is that fair to say?

Robert J. Dennis

Management

So on Schuh, it's a little bit of everything. Traffic, which we measure, was down and then by the end of the quarter down significantly. As you probably know, Chris, a lot of U.K. retailers released some pretty tough results. So we're not alone on the high street in terms of suffering from traffic. There was some divergence in certain brands in terms of their demand profile here versus over there and that hasn't changed a lot. Obviously what the Schuh guys have done is adjusted the assortment to reflect the demand patterns. And so that's less a factor now than it was because they've made those adjustments. Obviously what they are hustling to do is to find the brands that will replace the ones that softened up and they are having some success doing that. But the traffic patterns have been not our friend and obviously when traffic and sales get soft, then the promotional environment that you are surrounded with also becomes a little bit challenging. So that's the best I can describe for you right now. We are cautious as we said both because of the volatility but also the referendum in June is creating a lot of angst, and if nothing else, even if it doesn't ding consumer confidence, depending on the outcome it could hit currency and that would matter to us. Mimi?

Mimi E. Vaughn

Management

So, Chris, we were pleased with where we came out on gross margins and gross margins for Lids in particular were stronger than we had anticipated in the first quarter. So we're going to wait and see. Some of that was caused by some one-time things. We've just done price increases. We're going to have to see if those hold throughout the year. We had some pretty high expenses in our warehouse last year which improved significantly and gave us the upside for Q1. As we think through the course of the rest of the year, the gross margin improvement won't be as strong in the second quarter, but then we expect that in the third and in the fourth quarter in particular that our gross margin will pick up, and that really mirrors what happened last year where we promoted in Lids through most of the year but the intensity increased pretty significantly in the third and then very significantly in the fourth quarter. So, a little less pickup next quarter, a lot more in the third quarter and then more than that in the fourth.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Pam Quintiliano with SunTrust.

David

Analyst

This is David for Pam. Sorry about that earlier. Looking domestically, can you talk about the health of your core Journeys and Lids consumers in terms of the macro factors impacting your comp guidance and trends that are benefiting them? Also, others have said that consumers are spending [indiscernible] apparel. What are your thoughts and how are you addressing that?

Robert J. Dennis

Management

Look, we are not thinking about the consumer much differently than most other people are. The data shows that the spending is decent from the consumer but it's not in our categories. People are spending on eating out, home is doing well, the mall is not doing well. And so we are building our comp assumptions around continuation of the same. Our guidance for the year is built off of 1% to 2%. So that pretty much says it.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Erinn Murphy with Piper Jaffray.

Erinn Murphy

Analyst

Maybe going back, Mimi, to you on the guidance, I think last time you spoke to us, you did speak about kind of EPS growth in the first half being down and then clearly picking up strongly in the second half. Obviously gross margin much better and you alluded to that in an earlier response that it would be down – or excuse me, it's up to a lesser extent in Q2. So just maybe help us think about on an EPS basis just the cadence that you feel comfortable with from a second-quarter perspective versus the second half where it seems like gross margin kind of picks back up, still up from what we just saw in the first quarter?

Robert J. Dennis

Management

I'll start and then I'll hand it to Mimi. Obviously we had a really nice first quarter, and the natural question is, does that inform us that we can do the same throughout the rest of the year, and our guidance suggests that we are not there yet. And what that relates to is additional things that we have seen on the expense side that we think are potential headwinds, and the two big categories for that are labor and then some of the battles we're having with fraud in our stores, and as you know with EMV conversion, many, many retailers have been challenged by that. And so we are not alone but we are building in a little more cushion there into our guidance that is pretty much spread out over the year as a percent of sales.

Mimi E. Vaughn

Management

And just to build on what Bob just said, the percent of sales is largest in the back half of our year end. So the fourth quarter is impacted by those expenses to the largest extent. But Erinn, if you look at our earnings pattern last year, we had over 80% of our earnings in the third and fourth quarter last year and we would expect the same from this year. In fact, the second quarter is just our lowest quarter from an earnings point of view, and so it's really important for us to be able to deliver on the third and the fourth quarter. And so, we still remain cautious about our outlook on the second quarter, especially because it is such a low earnings quarter and any additional expenses tend to add to the deleverage of that quarter, but then you're able to pick up ground in the third and fourth quarter. So I think that would be the way that we would think about it.

Erinn Murphy

Analyst

Okay. So if I'm hearing you right, I mean clearly still some benefit on the gross margin side in Q2, maybe not to the extent given some of the one-time or kind of nuances in Q1, but the deleverage because it's a small quarter on the top line just in general maybe offsets that in the second quarter and then you pick it back up?

Mimi E. Vaughn

Management

Yes, I think that would be the right way to think about it. And we do expect SG&A deleverage throughout the course of the quarter, in part because of the Lids Team Sports is not part of our mix anymore and so just naturally speaking the level of expenses goes up, and then these additional expenses that we have discussed will impact the third and fourth quarter. So that's the offset in part to gross margin.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Jonathan Komp with Robert W. Baird.

Jonathan Komp

Analyst

If I could ask, just focusing on Lids, maybe a bigger picture question about the margin opportunity, and I know a lot of noise of last year for a number of different reasons, but when I look at the margin performance for that business relative to fiscal 2015, first quarter is still down a little bit and I think you're expected down on that basis for the full year relative to that fiscal 2015 number even though you have sold the Team Sports business which was lower margin. So any way to just kind of conceptually frame up that opportunity to get back towards, I think for the year-end 2015 it was a 5.4% margin business, but how are you thinking about some of the puts and takes?

Robert J. Dennis

Management

This is Bob. I'll start more qualitatively. Last year in particular, anybody who has been around retail knows that when it rains it pours and you get a domino effect on bad things. So the inventory situation hit expenses as hard as it hit gross margin as we had to handle that many more goods, et cetera, et cetera, and where we are now we have a merchant team operating with great discipline, they are flowing goods more thoughtfully against demand and more of a key item focus, have a better markdown cadence, we think that all plays in our favor. In the stores we are now using [ShopperTrak] [ph] and we've really proved that even in the headwear stores that they look like they are self-service-oriented, we've proven that in fact product is sold not bought and that staffing the demand and selling skills really matter. So we're focused a lot on that. In the warehouse we are now running with AutoStore which is robotic picking and that has taken an enormous amount of labor, which was already too high last year because we had so many returns from stores to try and clear goods on the Web. When we were clearing a lot of goods on the Web, we ended up spending a lot of money on shipping because we had bulk buyers that came in that were shipped out of multiple sites. So we were eating a lot of freight. And so I'm just giving you the rundown on all the things that it's the opposite of when it rains, it pours. So when it finally stops raining, there's lots of things that can improve. And so that's part of what contributed to the improvement that we saw in the first quarter.

Mimi E. Vaughn

Management

And Jon, I think it's important to remember that our bonus program is pretty leveraged, and so last year we didn't have any bonus expense. This year we do have fairly significant bonus expense, not only from the sale of Lids Team Sports but also from the improvement in operations. And so when you look back to fiscal 2015, the way we thought about it, it's going to take more than a year, probably going to take a couple of years for us to be able to get back to those levels because of that bonus deleverage. The way that our bonus program works is that you actually have to improve over the prior year's results in order to get additional bonus. And so unless the business improves, then that bonus amount flows back into operating earnings, and so we can expect a couple of years worth of pickup in Lids' bottom line margins to be able to get back to 2015's level.

Jonathan Komp

Analyst

Okay, very helpful. And then maybe just sticking on Lids, a shorter-term question, any comments on what you're seeing throughout the industry for that business? And related to that, do you think there will be any short-term impact from the sports authority? I know they have it looks like maybe a little bit of a fan shop business, but any short-term impact you are expecting from some of that volatility?

Robert J. Dennis

Management

We are not expecting a whole lot from sports authority. We think that what's going to continue to happen in this industry, which was our investment thesis when we went into the Locker Room business, we expect further consolidation, we expect to be a participant in that over time and we think that that helps the industry.

Operator

Operator

We will go next to Eddie Plank with Jefferies.

Eddie Plank

Analyst

Two quick ones. On the Lids gross margin, was the elimination of the wholesale business better than you expected? I think last quarter you implied some pickup but it seems maybe the magnitude was a little higher. And then a quick follow up. You didn't comment on Macy's at all today, Bob. I'm just wondering how you guys are thinking about the profitability opportunity there and any update on how you feel about shop locations within the Macy's boxes right now.

Robert J. Dennis

Management

We'll take those backwards. I'll do Macy's. At Macy's, right now with our partner we're focused on profit improvement. We're not currently focused on growth this year. We are both ambitious to continue to get back on a growth track when we've got a full proof of concept. So right now we're acting what we have learned over the past two years, what markets work, what locations within stores work, what's the merchandising mix that works, what are the promotional patterns. Obviously Macy's has unique promotional environment, so how do we play it most effectively in that world. We are testing models with much more flexible labor, which was always the plan. And then operationally, there's just a lot of things operationally. We need to get in sync along with our partner. So this year, we might make a little, lose a little. It's going to be in the neighborhood of breakeven probably. This is a business that will take some time to get it right. And just like a lot of our successful businesses, you go through an investment period before you find the [group] [ph], and so that's where we are right now with Macy's.

Mimi E. Vaughn

Management

So on gross margins, so you have to think about the Lids Team Sports business. I wouldn't say it was a wholesale business but it mirrored the economics of a wholesale business. So if you think about it, the gross margin was lower, also the level of expenses was lower. So when you take out the Lids Team Sports business, just naturally speaking, because of mix of businesses, the Lids margin will go up. And so we anticipated that the margin would go up in the quarter but where we gained additional benefit was in the pickup in the remaining retail business. So if you look at the overall pickup of 560 basis points, about half of that came from removing the Team Sports business. The other part came from the pickup in the retail businesses' gross margin because of all of those factors that we have described. Some of those we think were unique in the first quarter. We're going to have to see whether or not those continue, but we will improve on gross margin as we anniversary the heavy promotional activity in the back part of the year.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Mitch Kummetz with B. Riley.

Mitch Kummetz

Analyst

Bob, I know you don't like talking about brands and trends, but I believe there is a brand that is trending very well right now that does have some pretty broad [indiscernible] distribution. I'm just curious if there is any way you can kind of speak to the product availability that you are getting or any sort of changes in the competitive landscape that you might be seeing as a result of that?

Robert J. Dennis

Management

With every brand that gains a lot of momentum, we chase them hard, and as is almost always the case, when a brand gets sort of strong momentum, it's usually a chase environment. We feel like Journeys is always in a pretty strong position to chase because of their size and their relationship. So we feel pretty good about our ability to compete.

Mitch Kummetz

Analyst

Okay. And then Mimi, just on the margins at Lids and the Team Sports sales, so you said it was 310 basis points of gross margin benefit in the quarter, and then I think in your CFO commentary you talked about 50 basis points of SG&A deleverage in the quarter and I think you attributed that primarily to the Team Sports sale. So are those kind of the numbers that we should be thinking about in terms of the run rate of the impact on Team Sports sale, like in the 300 basis points range on gross margin and 50 basis points of kind of deleverage, is that how we should be thinking about that over the balance of the year?

Mimi E. Vaughn

Management

I think that wouldn't be a bad number to use for the balance of the year, but Team Sports business tended to be heavier weighting in the second and the third quarters. And so their level of contribution ended up picking up somewhat in those quarters and then weren't much of a factor in the fourth quarter, so I [indiscernible] that in that way.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Sam Poser with Sterne Agee & Leach.

Sam Poser

Analyst

I just wanted to follow-up, you commented that the Lids hats business did quite well in the quarter. Could you give us some idea of the variance between the hat comps and the Locker Room comps in the quarter?

Robert J. Dennis

Management

No, we're not going to breakout comps.

Sam Poser

Analyst

Just the difference between them, like the Lids business comps was 20 basis points better than the other, I mean just to give us some idea, because you did mention the hat business being better and I wondered like to what degree was it better than the Locker Room business.

Robert J. Dennis

Management

A little bit better.

Sam Poser

Analyst

And you've made all the changes here to the Locker Room business now, you've cleaned up the inventory which is great, inventory is way down there, how long is it going to take, you used the word 'proof of concept' when you get a read and know, okay, we feel good about this now that we have changed the way we're attacking and everything else for the locker room concept by itself?

Robert J. Dennis

Management

The proof of concept was specifically made in reference to Macy's. Sam, right now we will, as you know we have a new CEO starting next week. So when David gets in the chair, one of the very important things to do is for him to get really engaged with the teams to look at what the trends are and to start to form his own opinions bringing to the table his unique insights being a career industry guy on what we need to do in order to get this thing humming, in the locker room business, humming the way we want. And so the work that he does and the first month that he is here will help inform that question. So I'll beg your patience and let's give Dave a little time to get his feet underneath in the Lids world and then we'll come back to you.

Operator

Operator

Next will be Laurent Vasilescu with Macquarie Capital.

Laurent Vasilescu

Analyst

Congrats on the strong results in a challenging environment. I wanted to follow-up on the Macy's question. It looks like you increased the Locker Room closures from 9 to 38 for the year. Can you talk about the increase in store closures, what's the right store count going forward? And then as a follow-up, I think you had mentioned in the prepared remarks that Schuh saw double-digit declines in traffic at the end of 1Q. Can you talk about traffic patterns at Lids and Journeys over the course of 1Q and then quarter to date?

Robert J. Dennis

Management

Your first question, I think you're confusing things. We have a Locker Room business. A small percentage of our Locker Room business is done at Macy's. The bulk of that is done in the Locker Room stores and Clubhouse stores that we operate independently. The closures that we have made, there are some closures at Macy's, but the big impact of closures is and will be in the broader set of Locker Room stores. And so we have in the neighborhood across the whole business not including Macy's somewhere around 60 stores in the next two years, and the first group that we have dealt with this year, when we got into the lease event, we have had actually a lot of success resetting rent. So it's a bigger story than just what stores we have closed. There are stores where we had them targeted to close possibly but we've gotten nice rent reductions that allowed us to stay in business. And so I'm turning your question into a bigger one which says, when does the Locker Room business see profit improvement, and we think it's a combination of closing stores and resetting rents and it's a little hard right now to tell you what the percentage between the two is going to be, but both will contribute to performance improvement.

Operator

Operator

Next will be Jill Nelson with Johnson Rice.

Jillian Nelson

Analyst

Just a bit more clarification on the Team Sports impact to Lids gross margin, I think for the Lids overall division for the year you're expecting about 500 basis points in gross margin improvement. If you could tell us maybe what percentage of that improvement is reflecting the sale of Team Sports?

Mimi E. Vaughn

Management

It's about half. I think that we had said that when we looked at the amount of gross margin that we gave up last year, let's just take Lids Team Sports out altogether from last year, we gave up about 400 basis points. And so we expected that the pickup would be in the neighborhood of half of that, we get about half of that back this year. So 200 to 250 basis points would be what we expect for the core retail businesses. So the balance of that then is Lids Team Sports.

Jillian Nelson

Analyst

Okay. And then you commented I believe in the Q&A that first quarter you had some price increases at Lids. If you could give us some more info around that strategy?

Mimi E. Vaughn

Management

I think that our price increases were just more generally to what we typically do. I mean we are always changing prices, we're always attempting price increases. The real question is whether or not the price increases end up sticking relative to the amount of volume we end up giving up. In Canada, we increased prices in particular because much of the product that we buy is denominated in U.S. dollars and with the exchange rates we were actually sitting in a position where our gross margins were being squeezed because of the higher cost of goods. And so the reference to testing the price increases a lot was around the price increases we have taken in Canada to see whether or not those could stick to improve our margin situation there.

Robert J. Dennis

Management

To be clear, in the U.S. we are largely an MSRP retailer. So it's not as if we are taking prices above what the vendors are recommending, what they are setting at MSRP price. So that's pretty much [indiscernible]. As they take up prices, we will take up prices with them and obviously there will be a lot of back and forth about how well that's working.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Corinna Freedman with BB&T.

Corinna Freedman

Analyst

Quick question on the Kidz business, just wondering if you could give us some color there, and with several of your competitors now getting bigger into that space, do you have any comments on differentiation or the increased competition that's coming up for that segment?

Robert J. Dennis

Management

We love the competitive environment in the segment because we actually think it's consolidating [indiscernible] has backed down on a lot of their store count, and I think a lot of the – it's been a hard space for a lot of other bigger box guys to compete in. So obviously Foot Locker has been calling it out a success, as have we, and we think there is enough differentiation between what Foot Locker does and what we do that the world evolves that there is two major outlets for the core brands. That's a good thing and we can live very comfortably with two major kids footwear stores gaining share.

Corinna Freedman

Analyst

And my follow-up question is about e-commerce. Any thoughts there, anything [with your work out] [ph] for back-to-school that's differentiated versus last year?

Robert J. Dennis

Management

Obviously, we are investing, it's a regular pattern of investing and getting better. So if there was ever an example of continuous improvement, that would be it. The biggest callout – everybody is doing something, we called out what Journeys is doing, Schuh is always testing new approaches. The biggest change is probably over at Lids because we have changed the front end to hybrid from to be honest a fairly integrated home-grown front-end which we've been with for probably too long. And so that is a front end that we rolled out in stages taking pieces of traffic and redirecting it to the site to make sure that we didn't have any glitches, and so far so good, and we'll get some good reads on the traffic, the conversion off of that, which we expect to be better, we'll have a good read on that by the time we gather in three months.

Operator

Operator

And it appears there are no further questions at this time. Mr. Dennis, I'd like to turn the conference back to you for any additional remarks.

Robert J. Dennis

Management

We appreciate everybody joining us for this call and we look forward to catching up again in three months. Cheers.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our call for today. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.