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Q4 2017 Earnings Call· Fri, Mar 10, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good day, everyone and welcome to the Genesco Fourth Quarter Fiscal 2017 Conference Call. Just a reminder, today’s call is being recorded. Participants on the call expect to make forward-looking statements. These statements reflect the participants’ expectations as of today, but actual results could be different. Genesco refers you to this morning’s earnings release and to the company’s SEC filings, including the most recent 10-Q filing for some of the factors that could cause differences from the expectations reflected in the forward-looking statements made during the call today. Participants also expect to refer to certain adjusted financial measures during the call. All non-GAAP financial measures referred to in the prepared remarks are reconciled to their GAAP counterparts in the attachments to this morning’s press release and in schedules available on the company’s homepage under Investor Relations. I will now turn the call over to Bob Dennis, Genesco’s Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead.

Bob Dennis

Management

Good morning and thank you for being with us. I am joined today by our Chief Financial Officer, Mimi Vaughn. Our fiscal 2017 adjusted earnings per share were above last year’s levels and exceeded our most recent guidance. Adjusted EPS improved $4.33 versus $4.29 a year ago with flat comp for Q4 and a comp decrease of 1% for the year. Nonetheless, it was still a challenging year overall. With strong gross margin and operating recovery at Lids helped offset to some degree the impact of the significant fashion rotation that emerged at Journeys. Year-over-year operating income was down, but EPS benefited from share repurchases we have made since the end of fiscal 2016 and a lower tax rate. Maybe we’ll walk you through the numbers in a bit, but let me set the stage from where we think we sit right now. The multiple initiatives we undertook to improve Lids’ profitability paid dividends throughout the year. This along with the tailwind from the Cubs’ first World Series went since 1908 grows stronger year-over-year results with a large pick up in Q4. With inventories nearly right sized, several new merchandising practices implemented. Direct capabilities expanded and a strong leadership team in place, we are poised to better reap the benefits of Lids’ positioning as the leading omni-channel retailer of licensed sports merchandise. By improving operating income by about $25 million, we began the process of recapturing the operating margin we’ve given up in the last few years and we’ll build on that success going forward. Congratulations for the Lids’ team on its terrific results. Following two consecutive years of record sales and peak profitability, Journeys results in fiscal 2017 were challenged by the intense fashion rotation that began right as we hit back to school. As we said before based…

Mimi Vaughn

Management

Thanks, Bob. Good morning everyone. As a reminder, we have posted more detailed information online as usual in our CFO commentary. When we last updated guidance in early January, we said EPS for the year would be at least at the high end of our guidance range, which was $4, driven by better comps and gross margins at both Lids and Schuh and less negative comps at Journeys in December versus expectations. We left room in our updated guidance for additional markdowns to clean up inventory at Lids and Journeys in January and for year-end adjustments, like inventory reserve. We came in at $4.33 as our markdown and other assumptions proved to be conservative and we benefited from a number of favorable items at year-end, like foreign exchange pickups and shipping rebates, which also contributed to the EPS beat. For Q4, total sales decreased 5% to $883 million. Excluding Lids team sports sales from last year; total sales were down 2% for the quarter. This included flat consolidated comp sales and an 8% decrease in wholesale sales. The balance of the sales decrease was due primarily to foreign exchange, with the pound devaluing versus the dollar, but also due to the sale in December of the SureGrip business, which was a very small part of our total revenue and has previously been included in the wholesale sales number. In Q4, positive comps for Lids and Schuh were offset by negative comps for Journeys and J&M. Going by division, at Lids, better full-priced selling during the holidays and from the Cubs’ victory delivered a very strong 8% comp. Better full-priced selling and must-have athletic products drove 2% comps at Schuh. Comps at Journeys continued to be impacted by the fashion rotation and ended down 6%. Finally, at Johnston & Murphy, comps…

Bob Dennis

Management

Thanks, Mimi. As I said earlier, there are reasons to be positive about each of our businesses in both the near and long-term and the opportunity for multi-year margin expansion. It has been some time since we talked about a long-term view, given our focus recently on fixing the challenges we face in various businesses. We believe this year will be sufficiently stable in Lids and Journeys to provide a solid baseline from which to build a new growth plan. And so we recently updated our five-year plan and so I would like to describe our approach and outlook as a result of this work. I think it’s helpful to remind everyone of Genesco’s overarching strategy. We aim be in retail and branded businesses that first serve distinct segments of the consumer market and that, two, achieve leadership positions that are difficult for others to replicate. Serving targeted groups of consumers with retail formats that outposition competitors has historically allowed us to deliver superior return. This forms the foundation of our five-year plan and is what we believe gives us a more defensible position in today’s challenging retail environment. If we don’t believe we can attain a leadership position in a business we operate, we will consider alternatives, as we did twice in the past two years, through the sale of two businesses at a gain in both instances. We enjoy significant competitive advantages as a company. Lids has an incredible brand awareness, evidenced by the fact that over 25% of e-commerce searches at Lids.com, beginning with customers putting Lids.com directly into their browser. Lids is currently the only national standalone omnichannel retailer of licensed sports merchandise and is the clear leader in headwear. No other large retailer makes as deep a statement in the headwear category as we do.…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And then we will take our first question from Jay Sole with Morgan Stanley.

Jay Sole

Analyst

Great, thank you. Bob, thank you so much for the detail on the five-year plan. Wanted to ask you about your EBIT margin guidance for the five-year plan of 7%. Can you talk about the timeframe to get to the 7%? Is it back-half weighted? Is it kind of in the beginning of the five-year plan? Thank you.

Bob Dennis

Management

Yes. It's a gradual increase, but obviously the first year in the plan we are looking at a 10% increase and we're guiding to 5%. And so it's going to be choppy along the way. Obviously what we have said about Journeys in particular is that we would expect somewhere along the line a little bit of a break out, which is what we typically see after they come through a fashion cycle, but we are not predicting that breakout to be this year. So it will be a little choppy and so we're up – the guidance is up 5% and we will make some of that up in future years wherever the breakout event occurs. So that's the general theme in terms of the timing. The other thing to comment on while we are on the 7% is we've drafted plans in the past that have contemplated reaching 8% or 9%. Right now we contemplate reaching 7% for a couple of reasons. One, we do this plan bottoms-up, very simply, and so the math when you sum up the plans of the operations. But, second, within these plans the headwinds from the past – we are very mindful that the headwinds are a little stronger than in the past, primarily due to e-comm taking share from stores and then a little bit of pressure on labor. And then with respect to the e-comm point, as our comps are stronger on the digital side where costs are more variable, then we have the fixed cost base of the stores deleveraging as they don't grow as much. And so even though we are derisking our real estate portfolio with short lease terms and we are making smart store-by-store decisions, despite all that, the leverage equation swings a little bit against us. If we had a major number of lesser malls actually close over this five-year period, then we believe traffic flow into our remaining stores would drive comp and actually give us more expense leverage. But, unfortunately, poorly performing malls die slowly, so we haven't actually weaved that into the plan. And then, finally, we're coming off a couple years of subpar performance. We've been in the neighborhood of 5% this year, so we think getting back to 7% feels like an appropriate goal before we stretch for more. So there's more color on just how we are thinking about the margin equation today.

Operator

Operator

And we will now hear from Pamela Quintilliano with SunTrust.

Pamela Quintilliano

Analyst

Congratulations, guys, and thanks for all the detail you provided. So, if you could give some more commentary possibly on what's going on at Journeys with the fashion rotation, how do you feel about the recent allocations of some of that newer exciting product? You mentioned $40 million in new receipts arriving in January. Just any insight into how the customer is responding to that. And then along the lines of the Journeys customer, there's a lot of fear out there regarding mall traffic. You've touched upon it with your cautious outlook, but it seems like you have fared well relative to others. I can't remember if you have traffic counters or not, but any insight into how you are doing relative to others in the mall, traffic wise, would be really appreciated. Along with when you get the customer in the store if the conversion is higher because they are already looking online and when they come there's more of an intent to buy.

Bob Dennis

Management

I'll take your questions in reverse order. The customer – we do have counters; we have seen traffic going down and, until we hit the fashion rotation, we were seeing higher conversion. So that's what a lot of people have been calling out: people arrive at the mall with greater purpose. That's the trend, but the overall reality of teenagers is that, as we cited in the script, the research says they still really like to start in the store. Now maybe a little less than last year and so the traffic trend is down, but we start at a stronger base. The teenager likes the advice that they get from our store people. They like the social experience of being out in the mall. I have two teenagers; I can attest to that. So we feel like Journeys is well-positioned. In terms of the fashion rotation, Pam, the product that we cited as being important in the back half of last year as we watch the fashion rotate, those are as strong as we had expected and we have gotten a great allocation and a great assortment. Where we started, though, was with a very concentrated and narrow key position and we called that out over several years as a performance driver. It was a big advantage at the time. It allowed us to give great in-store service with in-stock position and we got great sell through to margin. So what we are seeing right now is that we've increased the depth and breadth of what product the customer really wants right now, so those new styles and brands that everyone has been waiting for. And those customers are still after it and the uptick on those brands is very strong. But the decline of some of the brands and styles that have been out of favor are falling a little harder than we had expected. So given all of that and then add in the lack of visibility because of taxes and Easter, we're going to have much more visibility on all of this when we get through the month of April. If you think about it, we have a really significant brand in our assortment that was very important; those brands never go away, they just slow down. And as concentrated as we were, the pace at which they slow down is a big factor in what will drive our comp. And so they are slowing down a little more than we had expected and that's what is driving the caution. We are not cautious because the new stuff isn't performing. The new stuff is performing extremely well. Mimi, anything you want to add to that?

Mimi Vaughn

Management

Yes. Just to pick up where Bob left off talking about this year and the impact of tax refunds, I'm going to start first with Journeys. As you would expect, given the great gap in tax refunds, traffic was down for us and for everybody else in the mall in the early part of February. Once we see tax refunds coming back into the economy, it's just injected and a surge of traffic comes into the malls, which we saw in Journeys. In Journeys, we have the products that customers want now and so we actually saw with the increase in traffic a pickup in conversion. The conversion was still positive for Journeys, even with lower traffic, so that customer who is coming to the mall has a great intent to buy and to purchase. For Lids, even though traffic was down in the early part of February, our conversion was up consistently in every week of February. Again, demonstrating the fact that if you have the product that customers want, they come with the intent to buy. They are more educated because they do their shopping online and the conversion, as a result, ends up increasing. So for Lids, where we had a really good in-stock position, we had higher conversions with drop-offs in traffic. And then once traffic increased, we actually saw continued conversion and so that ends up with pretty good results for Lids in the month.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Jonathan Komp with Robert W. Baird & Company.

Jonathan Komp

Analyst · Robert W. Baird & Company.

Yes, hi. Thanks, I wanted to clarify one question first and then my actual question. But, Bob, just on the long-term guidance, I'm a little confused. It sounds like you are assuming at some point a rebound year for Journeys, but I am just wondering did you say in total you are expecting or embedding kind of low single-digit total comps to drive margin expansion in that horizon?

Bob Dennis

Management

Yes, we're putting in comps of overall low single-digits. Now, we are also managing the store portfolio, so what's going on inside of that is the net square footage growth is pretty flat, but within that is a rotation of getting out of stores that are significantly unproductive. And the things that we are opening obviously we are assuming are productive. So there's a rotation of getting into more productive space which actually – it doesn't necessarily show up in comps. Because if I close a $300,000 store and I open a $600,000 store I have picked up sales, but I haven't really – it doesn't show up in comps. So that kind of explains it.

Mimi Vaughn

Management

Just to elaborate on that, if you go back and you see the last time, when we came out of the Great Recession and the downturn, of course we had muted comps. And given our high fixed expense in our stores, we need to have breakout comp years in order to really drive gross margin. So going back four or five years, if you look we had high single-digit comps; we actually had double-digit comps in one year. Those are the years that end up really having us pick up operating income margin. We can't predict exactly when that's going to happen for Journeys, but we know it will happen during that five-year timeframe, so we have averaged in the numbers. We haven't picked one year to say this is the year it's going to happen. So that's really the averaging affect that Bob is talking about.

Jonathan Komp

Analyst · Robert W. Baird & Company.

Okay, and maybe I'm just trying to clarify. I know you're projecting 2% to 3% comps for this year and not really expecting operating margin expansion. I know there's a lot of moving parts, but I'm just trying to maybe reconcile. Maybe it's not averaging that big pickup or some of the additional productivity, but anything else this year that's preventing the operating leverage?

Mimi Vaughn

Management

Yes, so Jon I think you have to think in this year about the fact that Journeys is still coming through the rotation. We're expecting a negative comp in the first quarter for Journeys and, again, until we anniversary the negative comps that began last summer we will continue to face headwinds. So that's one factor that has an impact on this year. The second factor is the Cubs' victory in the fourth quarter last year. And so we had an 8% comp that we are going against in this year and so we are expecting a lower level of comps. We have got to be in about that 3% range to be able to get leverage. And so when you think over time we believe that we will be able to gain leverage over time; we will have that breakout comp. It isn't this year that we are anticipating that we are going to have that breakout.

Operator

Operator

And we will now hear from Laurent Vasilescu with Macquarie.

Laurent Vasilescu

Analyst

Good morning and thank you for all the color on the five-year plan. I wanted to ask about the omnichannel initiatives. Can you talk about the current operating margin differential between bricks and mortar and online? And where do you think those percentages go over time? And then, secondly, more near-term question. On the quarterly guidance I think in the prepared remarks you mentioned that 1Q guidance a – 1Q earnings will be down. I understand there is no explicit quarterly guidance, but should we think about 1Q EPS with a four handle or a five handle? Any color on that would be great, thank you.

Bob Dennis

Management

When you talk about an operating margin differential between stores and online, we obviously don't – we share a lot of stuff. The merchants are buying for both; systems group supports both. We don't explicitly allocate all of our overhead all the way down, so then you would have to think about it on a four-wall basis. On a four-wall basis, you have to go business by business, but basically the e-comm business, in aggregate, operates sort of like a score. Mimi could get into the differences. But I think the more important part is not necessarily what their operating margin is, but what is the incremental margin on a sale. And that's kind of what I was referencing when I say that we don't quite get to the margin we need. Because the incremental margin on a sale – if I take one pair of shoes out of Journeys and, rather than sell it in a store, I sell that one pair online so I could basically get a share shift within our business, that's actually slightly dilutive because there are more variable expenses in the e-comm business than there is in the store business. If you think about it, the store business has a fixed cost. Most labor on an incremental basis, labor is fixed, rent is fixed, so you get really – you recapture most of that gross margin. In the e-comm channel you have a discrete picking expense and you have a discrete shipping expense, and at this point we are spending – I don't know, 70% or 80% of our orders are going free shipping with the thresholds that we have in place. And so the reference I was making about what's going on in omnichannel is that as we see the share shift that dilutive impact is in play. We are mindful of the balance we strike between chasing share, but making sure that we operate in a profitable manner for current earnings. And that's just the balancing act that we are running every day.

Mimi Vaughn

Management

Well as far as first-quarter guidance, just want to remind you that we had a really good first quarter in this year and we had some improvements, a lot of improvement within Lids. We expect quite a bit of pressure on the first quarter this year and that earnings are going to be substantially less than the $0.62 that we had last year. There are three or four factors that are driving that: it is gross margin pressure in Lids and Journeys; it is deleverage because of the negative comp in Journeys for the quarter. In Lids, we are doing a little bit more clearance activity, actually a lot more clearance activity than we did last year in last year's first quarter and so the pressures overall on earnings in the first quarter are going to be several.

Operator

Operator

And our next participant is Mitch Kummetz with B. Riley.

Mitch Kummetz

Analyst

Yes, thanks. I guess I've got one question on the guidance and one question on the five-year plan. I don't know if that's one question but…

Mimi Vaughn

Management

It's not; it's two, but go ahead.

Mitch Kummetz

Analyst

Well, yeah, 1 A and B. I guess on the guide I'm a little surprised that you aren't being a little more cautious on the Lids comp in the back half, just given the positive impact of the Cubs. Is there any way to kind of quantify how much the Cubs helped your comp in the back half? My recollection is that those comps came in way better than what the guide was before the Cubs won, so I don't know how much of that upside was Cubs versus maybe something else. And if there is a something else, maybe you could talk about that. And then on the five-year plan, just want to bridge the gap between the 5% sales growth and the 10% EBIT growth. How much of that is gross margin versus SG&A and what are the key drivers of both?

Bob Dennis

Management

So on the Cubs, look, we are expecting a challenging comp in Q4 for Lids, but keep in mind there's a lot of other things, first of all, going on in Q4. Q4 is as much – keep in mind, it's as much an NFL business as it is an MLB business, MLB in November. The October classic in November that's the way sports goes now, and March Madness goes into April. But we have a big NFL business and so it gets a little bit mitigated by that, so it's a third quarter and a fourth event. Also, just be mindful of a couple other things. First of all, the Cubs are – we are going to go into baseball with the Cubs as a very hot item. You do get a really good after-tick on a championship like that when you start the next season. Secondly, we did look at the Cubs and tried to get an assessment of how much it diluted sales of other things, but we had dents in sales of other teams and leagues that basically got crowded out by the Cubs' success. The best example of that was, based on their record, you would’ve expected at that point in time big uptick in Blackhawks and we were actually significantly down in Blackhawks. The other thing to keep in mind in the fourth quarter is neither the run up the Super Bowl and the college football championships, neither of those were very special for us. So our business is a blend of a lot of things and, yes, we are going to have the headwind of the Cubs – I don’t mean to say it doesn’t matter; it will matter – but there’s a lot of other things going on in the business and we’ve modeled it with all of that.

Mimi Vaughn

Management

And then, Mitch, just to answer your question, I think it overlaps a bit with Jon’s question. So when you think about the point at which we get leverage, it really isn’t about that 3% range. This year comp guidance is the 2% to 3% range, but in the five-year plan we expect higher than 3% comp. Overall we said that top-line sales growth would be 5% much of that growth will come from comp, so you can assume a comp in the neighborhood above 3%. And so with that greater than 3% comp we get operating leverage. When you think about we are in the 5% range of operating income and growing to 7%, we are expecting some gross margin expansion. That gross margin expansion is going to come primarily in Lids and Schuh, but also a little bit in Journeys. We’re going into a product mix that has a lower gross margin than the product mix we had before, but we expect that’s going to average out over time for Journeys. And that 200 basis point pickup, when you think about how much do we get for margin, how much do we get from SG&A, it’s a little bit more pickup in SG&A than it is in gross margin, but equally split between those two over the five-year period.

Operator

Operator

And we will now here from Sam Poser with Susquehanna.

Sam Poser

Analyst

Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. I just want to get more details on the value of week 53 and why you think it’s dilutive. You said 120 basis points. Is that over and above Q4 of this year? Dollars?

Bob Dennis

Management

Sorry, Sam. Say that again.

Sam Poser

Analyst

I think that maybe you mentioned that it was 120 basis points of revenue.

Bob Dennis

Management

On the week 53?

Mimi Vaughn

Management

Yes.

Bob Dennis

Management

Yes.

Sam Poser

Analyst

Is that about $14 million, if my math is right?

Mimi Vaughn

Management

Yes. It’s a lower week than usual, if you take the average across our weeks. But, Sam, think about February. We’re a high fixed expense business and so we’ve got a lot of expenses during that week and we don’t have enough sales to have that week be positive for us. With the change in the tax refund schedule, there is really – it’s pretty hard to gain leverage over our expenses then, so it’s not a positive week that we add on in week 53.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Erinn Murphy with Piper Jaffray.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Piper Jaffray.

Hi, this is Eric on for Erinn today. Thanks for taking my question. I just had a quick one. It looks like you guys have been doing a really good job managing wages and optimizing that. I’m just curious what innings are we in there and how much room do you guys have to go on that front in getting better as you go forward.

Bob Dennis

Management

It’s a good question. We have deployed traffic counters across all of our concepts at this point and that has given us great visibility in how we need to staff to match up against the actual traffic. And that has allowed us, in many cases to get some benefit. First, just by obviously putting staff against the most productive hours of the week can give us some uptick in sales, everything else equal. And then particularly in Lids, given the pattern that we’ve seen, we’ve gone to more part-time and more part-time is less expensive labor for us. But in terms of what inning, we still think we are improving our ability to staff against the traffic, but we probably have picked the low-hanging fruit. So when we look at going out we are not expecting that we duck the pressure of the future minimum wage pressures with that same kind of reaction. We have taken that bit of fruit off the tree so we will be exposed to that down the road. Mimi, anything you want to add to that?

Mimi Vaughn

Management

No. I think that’s right. I think we’ve done about as much as we can shifting full-time to part-time and now it’s just trying to optimize based on traffic.

Operator

Operator

And we will now hear from Steve Marotta with CL King & Associates.

Steve Marotta

Analyst

Good morning, Bob and Mimi. I have two questions. The first is in – and please forgive me if I missed this on the five-year plan. Did you offer an EPS growth rate? Are there, I know that you said you would build – you would generate significant cash over the period of time. That could be acquisitions or buybacks. Are either of those included within whatever EPS growth rate you are going to give me and what would you expect it to be?

Mimi Vaughn

Management

Yes. Steve, we didn’t give a specific EPS growth rate. We more just talked about the growth rate of earnings. I think that the buyback of stock will be really dependent on whether we can find additional acquisition opportunities. We have been locked out of the market recently just because valuation levels have been so high. So I think you can take that operating income improvement and assume we will either buyback some stock or we will have an accretive acquisition over that timeframe.

Operator

Operator

And we will now hear from Scott Krasik with Buckingham Research.

Scott Krasik

Analyst

Yes, hi everyone, thanks, I’m going to try to sneak a few in. Just in terms of your guidance, when you incorporate the inflection in Journeys, how are you expecting the trends for the styles that have been negative? Do you expect those to flatten out? And then on the CapEx plan, how much is for the Journeys DC and does any of that flow into fiscal 2019? Then just this credit chargeback issue. I had never heard about that so I’m just wondering how material that is and how that benefits you. Thanks so much.

Bob Dennis

Management

Yes, I’ll handle it. On the Journeys side, yes, we are expecting the brands that were the lead brands in the store to moderate their decline. Our history – brands just never go away or rarely go away in Journeys. They usually still have a presence. And don’t think that these brands are sitting still and not figuring out how to adjust their assortment given what the trends are in the market. And we are working with them to try and help them get that done. So there’s a lot of activity going on. We just, in the very near term – and in the near term we lack some visibility because of the crazy traffic trends because of tax and Easter coming up. We just haven’t seen them moderate to the level that we had expected and hoped. And so that’s why we’re saying let’s wait until we get into – past all the offsets and into spring and see what really is happening here. On chargebacks, Mimi?

Mimi Vaughn

Management

Yes, let me answer about the CapEx for Journeys that we are talking about and then talk about chargebacks. But on CapEx, Scott, we have been spending about $100 million in CapEx. This year the greater amount is really all due to the Journeys distribution center. And that should all be within the fiscal year because we need to finish that project before back to school and it’s currently underway, so we anticipate we will do that. On the credit card chargebacks, there was a shift in fraud liability to retailers that occurred in October a year ago. We made the decision not to implement the chip and signature readers, because we were rolling out new point-of-sale software and decided that it would be better to do that together. And we anticipated – we actually forecasted a higher level of fraud. That level of fraud came even higher, multiples higher, than we had expected and so it did impact our bottom line last year. I think we probably had somewhere in the neighborhood of $4 million to $5 million worth of expense from these chargebacks. We’ve rolled out the readers in Journeys for the most part. We are working on finishing rolling them out for Lids and we will roll out for Johnston & Murphy as well and so we don’t anticipate it will be an issue in the back part of this year, which is when most of our volume is done. So it was an issue for last year, but not for this fiscal year that we are in.

Bob Dennis

Management

And just a little more on the DC, just to give a little color on the Company. Over the last four years or so we have built a new DC with a lot of capacity at Schuh and we have built a news DC with a lot of capacity at Lids. So this is – short of having a major acquisition or anything, this sets our DC capacity up for the future quite nicely, including investments in all of the DCs for very efficient operation against the e-commerce business, which is an important part given some of the things that I cited earlier on this call. So we are excited by getting this last project done and we’re excited for what it will mean in terms of being able to run an efficient e-commerce operation.

Operator

Operator

And that concludes our question-and-answer session for today’s call. I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Dennis for closing remarks.

Bob Dennis

Management

Thank you, everybody, for joining us. And as I said, we will be on the road to a number of conferences and we are excited to sit with you and talk more about our five-year plan in particular, but with everything else that’s going on as well. Thanks, all. Have a great day.

Operator

Operator

And that concludes our conference for today. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.