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Geron Corporation (GERN)

Q2 2016 Earnings Call· Wed, Aug 3, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Q2 2016 Geron Earnings Conference Call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will be given at that time. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference Head of Investor Relations, Miss Anna Krassowska. Please go ahead.

Anna Krassowska

Analyst

Thank you, Andrew. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us for the Geron second quarter 2016 earnings call. With me this afternoon are Dr. John Scarlett, our President and Chief Executive Officer; and Olivia Bloom, our Executive Vice President of Finance and Chief Financial Officer. Today we issued a press release that reported results for the second quarter ended June 30, 2016. This release can be found on our website at geron.com. Today’s call is also being webcast live on our website and will be available for replay through September 2. Before we begin, please note that except for statements of historical fact, the statements during this conference call are forward-looking statements under the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These include, without limitations, statements regarding the potential payments under the Janssen collaboration agreement, the timeline, milestones, prospects and plans for imetelstat, including patient enrollment and planned internal data reviews and analysis, the therapeutic potential and safety of Imetelstat, Geron’s desire to diversify patent coverage and financial and operating projections or requirements. These statements involve risks and uncertainties that can cause actual results to differ materially from those in such forward-looking statements. These risks and uncertainties include without limitation that Imetelstat is safe and efficacious in multiple indications, clinical trials continue to proceed without delays caused by regulatory agencies or any other factors. Geron's patents maintain validity and that Geron will receive continuation milestone and royalty payments from Janssen. Additional information and factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements are contained in Geron’s periodic reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission under the heading Risk Factors, including Geron’s quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the quarter ending June 30, 2016. Undue reliance should not be placed on forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the date they are made, and the facts and assumptions underlying the forward-looking statements may change. Except as required by law, Geron disclaims any obligation to update these forward-looking statements reflect future information events and circumstances. We will begin today's call with the summary of the 2016 second quarter operating results from Olivia, and then Chip will review recent events and discuss the ongoing activities with the Imetelstat clinical trials that are being conducted by Janssen. Olivia?

Olivia Bloom

Analyst

Thanks, Anna. Good afternoon. For the second quarter of 2016, we reported a net loss of $8.6 million or $0.05 per share compared to a net loss of $9.4 million or $0.06 per share for the comparable 2015 period. For the first six months of 2016, we reported a net loss of $17.5 million or $0.11 per share compared to a net loss of $18.7 million or $0.12 per share for the comparable 2015 period. Revenues for the second quarter of 2016 were $211,000 compared to $251,000 for the comparable 2015 period. Revenues for the first six months of 2016 were $960,000 compared to $788,000 for the comparable 2015 period. Revenues for 2016 and 2015 primarily reflect royalty and license fee revenues under various non-imetelstat license agreements. Total operating expenses for the second quarter of 2016 were $9.1 million compared to $9.7 million for the comparable 2015 period. Research and development expenses for the second quarter of 2016 were $4.6 million compared to $4.8 million for the comparable 2015 period. General and administrative expenses for the second quarter of 2016 were $4.5 million compared to $4 million for the comparable 2015 period. Operating expenses for the second quarter of 2016 also included restructuring charges of $941,000 related to the organizational resizing announced in March 2015. Total operating expenses for the first six months of 2016 were $18.9 million compared to $19.7 million for the comparable 2015 period. Research and development expenses for the first six months of 2016 were $9.6 million compared to $9.8 million for the comparable 2015 period. General and administrative expenses for the first six months of 2016 were $9.3 million compared to $8.6 million for the comparable 2015 period. Year-to-date operating expenses for 2015 also included restructuring charges of $1.3 million related to the March 2015 organizational resizing. The decrease in research and development expenses for the 2016 period compared to the same periods in 2015 was primarily the net results of lower manufacturing cost for imetelstat and reduced personnel related cost resulting from the organizational resizing, which were partially offset by higher costs for the clinical development of imetelstat in collaboration with Janssen. The increase in general and administrative expenses for the 2016 periods compared to the same periods in 2015 was primarily result of higher non-cash stock based compensation expense and an increased allocation of facilities and other overhead cost to general and administrative activities. We ended the second quarter of 2016 with $136.4 million in cash and investment. We have not incurred any impairment charges on our marketable securities portfolio. I will now turn the call over to Chip to review current company events Chip?

John Scarlett

Analyst

Thanks, Olivia. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining. I'll begin the call today with comments on the two large global imetelstat studies, IMerge and IMbark that are being conducted by Janssen. First IMbark. This is phase 2 clinical trial and approximately 200 patients with intermediate-2 and high risk mylofibrosis or MF, who are relapsed after or refractory due to treatment with the JAK inhibitor. These patients represent a significant unmet medical need. There are no approved alternative therapies beyond the one JAK inhibitor on the market today, which is ruxolitinib. And once the patient is relapsed after treatment median survival has been reported to be approximately 6 months. In IMBark, MF patients are initially assigned randomly to one of two dosing arms of imetelstat, either 9.4 milligrams per kilogram, or 4.7 milligrams per kilogram administered every three weeks. As I have discussed in the past one of the objectives of the study is to identify the appropriate dosing schedule in this relapsed or refractory MF patient population. To help inform this assessment, we expect Janssen to conduct periodic internal reviews of safety and efficacy from the two dosing arms. No review has been conducted to date. We expect the first internal review will include data from 20 patients from each of the two dosing arms, who've been followed on the study for at least 12 weeks. Janssen has reported to us that the patient enrollment to conduct this review has been achieved, so we expect this internal data review to be conducted by the end of the third quarter. As a reminder, the co-primary efficacy endpoints in this study are spleen response and symptom response rate assessed at the 24 week visit. Given the first internal data reviews occurring after 40 patients have been treated for only 12…

Operator

Operator

Certainly.[Operator Instructions] And our first question or comment comes from the line of Tom Shrader with Stifel.

Thomas Shrader

Analyst

Hi, good afternoon. Nice to talk to you again.

John Scarlett

Analyst

Hi, Tom.

Thomas Shrader

Analyst

I have some questions. I'm not sure you can answer them, but let's see. So in the myelofibrosis trial, you had 4 remarkable CRs. Will you update on those patients? Or do we know how long those lasts? Is that the kind of information we'll get and - will we get it from you or Janssen?

John Scarlett

Analyst

So this was in the - you're referring, Tom, I believe to the Mayo Clinic pilot study.

Thomas Shrader

Analyst

Right.

John Scarlett

Analyst

Yes. And those - the median durability of response that we've reported, which was some time ago now was 18 months for the CRs. We have not updated that and don't plan to. That study is sort of towards the end of its life, and we have decided not to make any further publications. I don't know if Dr. Tefferi will ever update that at ASH. I don't believe we expect that for this year, but that would be up to him.

Thomas Shrader

Analyst

So those - the 18 months, those CRs had all ended or some are ongoing?

John Scarlett

Analyst

No, they were all ongoing, and that was as of December the 5th, 2014, as I recall. So but we don't have any specific updates on that on any of them [ph].

Thomas Shrader

Analyst

Okay. And then kind of a theoretical question. So your endpoints on splenomegaly and sort of quality of life issues, in your interim look, how do you think the balance will be between your real end - from your official endpoint versus these remarkable results you see in a subset of patients. Any sense of how that would bias with those?

John Scarlett

Analyst

Yes, interesting - it's an interesting question, Tom. I would say that first and probably the first thing I'd say is that the reason that we picked splenomegaly as spleen response rate and total symptom response rate was really because those are the approved endpoints so far for ruxolitinib. And since these patients are all refractory or relapsed from JAK inhibitor therapy, that made a lot of sense. It is a regulatory-approved endpoint. However, as you've quite rightly pointed out, CRs PRs, there are a host of other secondary endpoints in the study that are really quite important from both the scientific, medical and ultimately, I would assume other development perspective. We're literally collecting all of that information. Those will all be reported eventually when the study results are reported. But I think the primary - the co-primary endpoints are in fact the spleen response rate and symptom response rate. I think that does makes sense from the precedent information that's available.

Thomas Shrader

Analyst

Okay. And last question. Given the Jakafi data as it's maturing and the relatively short half-life of Jakafi failures, do you expect OS to be the primary endpoint of a pivotal trial? Or do you think it will remain what you're doing in IMbark?

John Scarlett

Analyst

That's a really good question. I mean, OS is a secondary endpoint for us or maybe I think it might be officially an exploratory endpoint. But we're certainly intending to collect that information. I think you asked a really good theoretical question or question because on one hand, if you could recapture patients' improvement in splenomegaly and improvement in symptoms that would certainly be a clinical benefit and meaningfulness to patients. And I'm sure regulators would look at that very positively in the long run. On the other hand, OS is the ultimate gold standard for any oncology therapy, and this is most assuredly an oncology indication. So I think you've put your finger on it that these patients, when they relapse from JAK inhibitors, they actually have pretty short lifespan many of them at least. So it's a possibility. But right now, for this particular setting, we're really focused on the co-primary endpoints of spleen and symptoms.

Thomas Shrader

Analyst

Okay. Perfect. Thank you very much for the update.

John Scarlett

Analyst

Thank you, Tom.

Operator

Operator

And our next question or comment comes from the line of Roy Buchanan with Janney Montgomery Scott.

Roy Buchanan

Analyst

Hi, thanks for taking the questions and for the comprehensive update. John, I have some questions. You probably also can't answer, but I'll ask them anyway. The - I guess, outside of the interim analyses that you spoke of from Janssen, I presume there is a standard DSMB reviews for both studies. Can you confirm that? And tell us how frequent those happen?

John Scarlett

Analyst

Well, we haven't disclosed any of the internal workings of the study. But I think you can assume, Roy, that there are DSMBs. And all of the other standard procedural assessments and analyses that any major company and for that matter, any serious Phase II and beyond study would employ today.

Roy Buchanan

Analyst

Okay. Great. And then a question, I guess, maybe relevant for the search for another asset. But the biotech markets recovered a little bit recently. Do you have any thoughts on - these assets are becoming more expensive? And then I had a question. You probably can't answer, but just from my own curiosity about if you notice a dramatic difference between valuations for public assets and private assets and if you could comment on that. Thanks.

John Scarlett

Analyst

Sure. The - I think that we've been predominantly focused, I must say, on scientific quality and medical appropriateness. And have probably spent a little bit less time for separating about the cost of particular assets. If we get to the point where we've identified a company or an asset that we are really interested in possibly acquiring, then we'll be very focused, obviously, on all of the economics. So I'm not - I think that most of my comments about economics are those of someone who doesn't spend all day thinking about them. I think there is little question that there have been some changes for later-stage clinical assets, which we're frankly not likely to be able to afford or be as attracted to because of price. And yes, I think there has been some recovery of that. But that's in a different type of assets. And generally speaking on a company that we've been looking at which are earlier-stage clinical or even late preclinical. There it's a lot harder to know what the market really is because there haven't been very many transactions. With regard to your question about the difference in transactions between private and public companies, that's a really individualized basis. Some private companies bring very high valuations because of the nature of their breakthrough businesses. Other public companies reflect broad shareholder interest and broad market interest. So I don't think that there is any way I could make a reasonable characterization between the 2.

Roy Buchanan

Analyst

Okay. Very helpful. Thanks.

John Scarlett

Analyst

Sure. Happy.

Operator

Operator

And our next question or comment comes from the line of Thomas Yip with FBR Company.

Thomas Yip

Analyst

Hi, everyone. Thank you for taking my questions. First question regarding IMerge. Chip, you mentioned that patient enrollment will temporarily pause during the internal review. How long should we expect a typical review of this nature to last?

John Scarlett

Analyst

Yes, it's a little hard to know exactly. This - IMerge has - there is an interesting feature to it, Thomas. The primary endpoint for IMerge is an eight-week transfusion independent. And that requires a rolling measurement of time, during which patients don't require red blood cell transfusions. So the patients who achieve transfusion independence for consecutive 8-week period or longer at any time on the study would meet the primary endpoint. So the internal data review is being conducted by Janssen or being conducted in the second half of 2016 are going to provide an ongoing assessment of the data from part 1. But there is no specific final line in the sand date when all of the data will get cut off. So this is - it is an open-label portion of the study, and Janssen will presumably be looking at this. And I can't give you a highly specific time frame because of that. And I can - you can just imagine a patient who's at seven weeks of transfusion. I think you might want to wait for the next week to see if they trip the number and so forth. So it's a little hard to be as precise about it as we would like. But I think sometime in the first half, it's probably - or second - second half of this year is probably the right way to think about that.

Thomas Yip

Analyst

Okay. Thanks for the explanation. I mean that's reasonable. Next, I have a couple of questions for perhaps, Olivia. Given the new patents that were issued in July, did that trigger any milestone payment? Or did that check or any reimbursement from Janssen?

Olivia Bloom

Analyst

Thomas, there was no milestone associated with the new patents or any reimbursement. I would say that in general, the collaboration agreement was set up in the beginning, though that the costs for all patent prosecution and maintenance is being shared between Geron and Janssen on a 50-50 basis.

Thomas Yip

Analyst

Okay. Thanks, thanks for reminder [ph] I guess, one final question. You previously guided to cash use for the entire year 2016 of $34 million. Should we expect a similar level on an ongoing basis for the next 12 months?

Olivia Bloom

Analyst

The guidance still is the same for 2016 at $34 million. So I'm not - there's no update there. And I haven't provided any guidance yet for 2017, so really couldn't speak to the next 6 months after that.

Thomas Yip

Analyst

Okay. Got it. Thanks again for taking my questions guys. And I look forward to the next and updates on the trials.

John Scarlett

Analyst

Okay. Thanks, Thomas.

Olivia Bloom

Analyst

Thanks, Thomas.

Operator

Operator

And our next question or comment comes from the line of Chad Messer with Needham & Company. Your line is now open.

Chad Messer

Analyst

Great. Thanks. Good evening, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. Given all that's been going on and is going on in AML and the potential interest of maybe looking at imetelstat there, I guess, we'll see if there is any interesting preclinical data that comes out, I was wondering if you've given any thought and would be willing to speculate on ways imetelstat might be looked back clinically in AML?

John Scarlett

Analyst

Chad, what we've said in the past, and I think it would still probably be pretty relevant is that we know that when Dr. Tefferi treated some acute blast crisis MF patients who are basically secondary AML. We know that there was anti-leukemic activity, meaning their white counts went down, their blast counts went down. But there was - but it was also pretty clear that these patients, the majority of them certainly would require more than simply imetelstat, especially early in the course of such a devastatingly violent onset of disease. So I think we've concluded and would probably still theorize that a combination therapy would be required with it for imetelstat in some manner, whether imetelstat would be used after induction 7 plus 3 or whether they would be used concomitantly. That will require some additional considerations, but probably some thinking about things preclinically et cetera. But we don't have any further update on any of those plans. That's what we said in the past, and I would - can't reiterate it today.

Chad Messer

Analyst

All right. Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

And at this time, I'm showing no further questions or comments. So with that said, I like to turn the conference back over to CEO, Dr. John Scarlett, for closing remarks.

John Scarlett

Analyst

Thank you all very much for your continued interest in the company. We look forward to our next opportunity to talk with all of you and provide an update later in the year. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude the program, and you may now disconnect. Everyone, have a wonderful day.