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Gold Fields Limited (GFI)

Q2 2021 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 19, 2021

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Chris Griffith

Management

Hi, good morning, good afternoon and good evening to Gold Fields Interim Results Presentation for 2021. I'm going to be taking you through just first in the - just the agenda for today. So, firstly, I'll be running through the highlights, safety and sustainability, and operations. I'll then hand over to Paul Schmidt, our CFO. And then after that, we will quickly wrap up with an update on Salares Norte and conclusion. So, ladies and gents, first just a few highlights for the first half of this year. As usual, we will go into much more detail and in-depth conversations over the next - over the course of the presentation picking up more detail on these highlights. Firstly, we had one fatality, which was a shadow overall improving safety performance. We lost one of our colleagues, Vumile Mgcine, at our South Deep operation in April. We had a 30% year-on-year improvement in our total safety recordable rates. We're very, very pleased with that performance. We continued the great work that Gold Fields has started a number of years ago with again approval of the 14 megawatt solar project at South Deep and construction has already commenced. We generated $1.9 billion of value created for all of our stakeholders in the first half. We achieved equivalent gold production attributable to Gold Fields increased by 2% year-on-year. Very positively as a result of the strong cash flow generation in the company, we're able to fund all of the CapEx and the 2020 final dividend, all from internal cash flows. We ended with free cash flow of $180 million after the spending on Salares Norte. As a result of this strong cash generation, we saw again an improvements in the balance sheet with net debt-to-EBITDA decreasing 0.49 times from the - in December…

Paul Schmidt

CFO

Thanks, Chris. If we can go to the first slide, please. On the solid financial performance, as Chris mentioned, our normalized earnings of $431 million, 33% up year-on-year. Free cash flow margin, a pleasing 21%. The interim dividend ZAR2.10 compared to the ZAR1.60 comparative last year, a 31% increase. Net debt, including leases, down to $1,097 million. If we exclude the leases, the true debt $663 million, a very manageable number. Net debt-to-EBITDA, 0.49 times. If we can move to the next slide, please. I'm just on a schedule setting out how we got to our $180 million of free cash flow, $399 million from the mines. Pleasing to see that South Deep contributed $29 million towards that, $148 million spent on Salares in the six months and leaving us with $180 million. What that $180 million means? It is free cash flow for us, that we can use to other pay down debt or pay dividends. If we can move to the next slide, please. This is what Chris asked me to refer to. If we look at our all-in costs, we will start with the all-in sustaining cost, $1,093, A 11% increase from the comparative in 2020. However, if we normalize exchange rates and just that we understand last year we used $0.66 to convert the Australian dollar to US dollars, this year it's strengthened to $0.77 and for the South African rand we used ZAR16.50, we are now using ZAR14.54. So if we use the same exchange rates as we did last year, our all-in costs would be 1.5% increase year-on-year. If we look at all-in cost, $1,274, a 20% increase. However, if we use the same exchange rates, $1,164, a 9% increase, and that's mainly due to circa $100 million more capital being spent on Salares Norte. Just to confirm that the all-in cost guidance of $1,310 to $1,350 that we gave at the beginning of the year is still intact. Our capital spend of - that we guided of $1.177 billion, we are still on track to meet that despite spending extra $25 million on the solar plant at South Deep and $50 million on the Ezulwini project at Damang. If we can move to the next slide please. Just looking at the balance sheet, pleasing to say that we've got about $1.67 billion of committed unutilized facilities. As I said earlier, the net debt down to about - not about at 0.49 times. That's all I've got to say. I'll hand back to Chris now.

Chris Griffith

Management

Thanks, Paul. So what I'm going to be doing now is just giving you a brief update on how Salares Norte is going. And just to remind everyone, that Salares Norte is one of the - we think one of the best gold mines that is being developed in the market at the moment. Just to give you a sense with the all-in cost just over $1,000, we will be mining at Salares Norte under $500. We'd be producing over 400,000 ounces of gold equivalent from Salares. So a great project, very good reason for us to be focused on this and to make sure we deliver Salares on time. So the key message I have for you is that, Salares is very much on track. If we look at the total project, you can see that we've now about 42% progress at the end of June against the plan of 41%, so very close, but absolutely still on plan. We were, as you may recall at the first quarter, slightly ahead of that in terms of above our plan and some of that is being used up by the challenges that we've had due to COVID in Chile as well as some very serious weather events. But notwithstanding that, it's great to be able to report that even though we've had these difficulties, still very much on track. With the project capital to date has been $230 million, with $133 million of that spent in the first half of this year. I've already mentioned that we've had these difficulties, but very pleasing to be able to report back to you that we still on track for first production in the first quarter of 2023. Just running very briefly through some of the others on the construction side, we are…

Avishkar Nagaser

Management

Okay. So we start with questions from the conference call first, please.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much, sir. The first question comes from Leroy Mnguni of HSBC.

Leroy Mnguni

Analyst · HSBC

Good afternoon, guys. Thanks for the presentation. I've got three questions. The first one is, could you maybe just talk us through some of the inflationary pressures that you're seeing across the group? You seem to have done quite better than your peers in containing costs and with that may be also just talk about what competition for labor you are seeing with other commodities in South America and Australia? And then my second question is, all the sort of key measures at South Deep seem to be trending in the right direction with the exception of backfill, that has declined year-on-year for the first half, if you could please elaborate on that? And then my last question is just on your - given political developments in Chile and Peru, just your outlook on the stability of tax legislation and royalties as well, please?

Chris Griffith

Management

Okay. Paul, do you want to touch on the inflationary pressures and then I'll pick up the other two, and both you and I can comment on the third one. Do you want to talk, Paul, to the inflationary pressures we see?

Paul Schmidt

CFO

Yes. Sure, Chris. I think there has been a mixed bag facing our different regions. In South Africa, inflation continues to be around 10%, which for as long as I've been CFO at Gold Fields that's what we're facing. The big kickers come in Australia, where we've seen inflation at the moment of around 6% and it's largely due to a pickup in the commodity prices of the goods that we're using as well as pressure on the Salares as well. And that's what you referred to earlier on, are we seeing pressure on the workforce? Yes, when there is a bloom in iron ore and nickel, these boys are pool on our employees in Australia and we have to up the ante in terms of our wages. So we are seeing pressure there. In Peru, inflation has been very benign for the simple reason because of the weakening of the exchange rate in Peru, it's kind of offset any of the inflationary pressures we've had there. Ghana is around 2% and that's normally the number that we are seeing. I hope that answers that part of the question.

Chris Griffith

Management

Thanks, Leroy. I can - I'll just very briefly talk about South Deep in the backfill. So there is actually nothing more complicated than the fact that at the moment we are stoping more stopes and that's the reason that we just don't actually have places to backfill. So there's nothing strange about that. As those stopes get mined out, we will be able to place the backfill. So actually, I think we're in a very good space and it's a very positive message that we instead of just getting all of our production from development, we're getting more production now coming from stopes. And then in Chile and Peru, I think we are in the same boat pretty much as everyone else, watching and waiting. We've done a lot of analysis of what's happening in Chile and Peru. We don’t – we’re not overly concerned in Peru, we will see what happens, but I think most of the focus has been on copper and we hope that sort of gold will slide under the radar, but we are going to have to see. And then in Chile, whilst there may be some fairly big challenges, we have a stability agreement in place that does protect us from new taxes. So I think for a period of time that we actually, notwithstanding potentially some big changes, in existing taxes you can see - we can still see some of that increase being passed on to us, but no new taxes can be applied to the new project that we have, because of the stability agreement that we have in place. So I think, overall, we will be in the same boat as everyone else, let's wait and see. But there is a lot of engagement that's happening behind the scenes in both of those countries and you would have already seen from the early days in the - perhaps the rhetoric around election nearing, how already much of that is moderated and some of the crazy things that you are hearing are not what is being spoken about now that the government's actually in power. So let's see, but at the moment it doesn't look too bad, Leroy. Thanks.

Leroy Mnguni

Analyst · HSBC

Thanks, Chris. Thanks, Paul. That’s very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Arnold Van Graan of Nedbank.

Arnold Van Graan

Analyst · Nedbank

Chris, yes, good afternoon. Three questions from my side. Two quick ones and then just one strategy, it's not about M&A. The first one, the pit failure or the pit issue - not failure, the pit issue at Cerro Corona, it will impact your production scheduling into next year. I guess the question is, how serious issue is this? Is there a risk of a failure here? Or is it something that you are managing and it's going to go away barring any other adverse weather issues? Second question very briefly in Ghana, I see you've extended some financing to your contractors to buy new fleet, question is, is that standard practice one that just go to some of the OEMs to get financing there? And then on strategy, the question is not about M&A, but you talked about part of your strategy is to extract maximum value from your existing asset base. So can you just give us more color on exactly what that intel is? And on the call earlier today, you talked about increasing reserve lives and those type of things. But is there anything else there that you see, stuff around cost management, stuff around or aspects around [technical difficulty] or any other metrics apart from just increasing the reserve lives? Thank you very much.

Chris Griffith

Management

Thanks, Arnold. Paul, why don't I start to the pit failure. The pit failure - so actually, what it was is, some of the oxidized material that we had on the eastern side of the mine was very heavily impacted by the groundwater that had risen very substantially due to the abnormally high rainfall. So we did have some sloughing of the one side. We were watching it very carefully on the radar, so there was no danger to any people or equipment. The mine was stopped on that side. We have been rehabilitating that progress, Arnold, on that site for the last number of months and they are actually almost complete with that work. So it will be finished certainly within this quarter and then we will be fine. So it's not a long-term stability issue. And what we've done is, cut back that whole area right back to a much more solid bedrock. And so I think the team in Peru have done a great job making sure that we can't have any further production disruptions and certainly also making sure that it's just a lot more safe. So it's not in a long-term, not serious, it will affect us this year. We will lose probably about 20,000 ounces of gold. On an equivalent basis, that will probably be made up by the higher copper price. We continued with the stripping of the mine, because you'll recall that we lost some ability to do stripping last year. We have upped the game in stripping, but most of that is coming now from the western side of the mine. So other than that, I think we are okay at Cerro Corona. We should be back to normal next year. Do you want to talk about the financing of the contractors, Paul, in Ghana?

Paul Schmidt

CFO

Yes. Sure. Arnold, that loan was made last year. The simple reason, yes, it's not common practice, however, our cost of funding is a lot cheaper than what the contractor could borrow from the banks in Ghana and he would just push it through to us. That was pure math for us. If I lend to you at a cheaper rate, you would charge me less. So that's the reason we did it. But that happened in the first quarter last year, 2020.

Chris Griffith

Management

Okay. And then just on the strategy, Arnold. One of the things that we have said is that where we were going to be increasing the focus as part of the strategy is on maximizing the value potential from existing assets. Now that doesn't mean that we're coming from a zero base and the team at all of the operations have got business improvement plans in place. They have over many years extracted good value out of those assets, but we have, for example, at some of our - for Tarkwa as an example. I mean this is a Tier 1 asset that could be a Tier - that could - should operate like a Tier 1 asset and probably has, in our view, got more potential, more value that we can drive out mining with lower costs, having less overheads, getting more production out of the existing equipment, out of existing people, all around getting better recoveries in the plant, although our plants actually in world-class standard, having better maintenance practices, having less breakdowns, having less costly breakdowns, all of those components that a good asset management, asset optimization process will deliver. That's the kind of thing that we're thinking about. And because our mines are actually very, very different, they are going to be very focused in bespoke asset optimization and business improvement strategies put in place for all of the operations and that's in addition to some of the technology, digital and other technology that we're going to be pushing, I think, a bit harder on the back of the work that's already been done in Gold Fields. So it's not rocket science, but it is applying really good practice around making sure that we get the very best that we can out of our existing assets and, of course, the more efficient that we become out of reducing our costs, the more we can bring perhaps other more marginal assets, more marginal resources, into being able to make it under the $1,300 barrier that we put in to convert resources. So nothing rocket science, but certainly a big focus will be placed in this area in the Group going forward.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Unfortunately, Arnold's line has dropped and he will be reconnecting. The next question comes from Raj Ray of BMO Capital Markets.

Raj Ray

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, Chris and team. I got three quick questions. First one on your 2021 guidance, so steady first half, but you're expecting second half to be stronger. Just wanted to get your views on which operations you see the biggest risk going into the second half? The second question is on your all-in sustaining cost guidance. Now the consolidated guidance has - you're still reiterating that and if I look at some of your asset level guidance, for example Gruyere, St. Ives, Asanko, Tarkwa and South Deep, the individual asset level cost guidance have - has gone up. So just wanted to see what's offsetting those increases for the consolidated AISC to remain the same? And the third question is on South Deep. The underground yield was lower, 15%, year-over-year and a part of that reasons mentioned was the higher volume of distressed tons due to a change in mine design, is that something that is just focused on the particular area that you were mining or do we expect that design to have an impact on grade going forward as well? Thank you. That's it for me.

Chris Griffith

Management

Okay. Thanks, Raj. Do you want to talk about the - you talk about, Paul, the all-in cost guidance, I'll talk about the production. So I think pretty --

Paul Schmidt

CFO

Yes. I am. You go, Chris.

Chris Griffith

Management

Okay. Thanks, Paul. So I'll take the first one. So the production guidance, I think normally in any event, even in a very normal year, you would see the second half have higher production volume in Gold Fields is pretty much standard in the mining industry, but Gold Fields in particular, Paul confirmed this morning, that that's the case. You will see that in any event. But then pretty much across all of our regions, we're expecting better performance. South Deep had a very slow first quarter, like big impacts on the - from COVID. I think the team have brought in some extra staff, have brought in particular skilled resources in some areas to help the team manage and that's why you saw a much better second half, even though the COVID impact on South Deep was much higher later on and also into the first month of this quarter. So South Deep will contribute to the increase. West Africa will contribute. We had just over 440,000 ounces, plan to be just under 900,000 ounces. Cerro Corona will have a better second half. In Australia, in particular with some of the assets that have got higher grades coming in the second half and that we had some challenges at Gruyere with the conveyor belts in some of the plants. As we start pushing the plants harder now, in particularly with the hard ore, we're starting to find some challenges and the team are working through that and that's not unexpected for a new plant getting to its full straps. And so, overall, I think the answer to your question, Raj, is you'll see a better second half, just normally there is better production in the second half, but also overcoming some of the challenges we had in the first half, you should see better production from those assets. You want to talk about all-in cost, Paul?

Paul Schmidt

CFO

Yes. In terms of the all-in sustaining and the all-in costs, you're right, in terms of some of the assets that are above - but remember when we give Group guidance, we do build in a range and that, if you want to call it, it gives us a bit of fact on other side. For example, if we end up on an exact number of 100, we must probably guide 95 to 105. That's what we've guided. But also, as Chris said, because of the better second half in terms of production, we are going to see lower all-in sustaining cost in the second half of the year.

Chris Griffith

Management

And then on to South Deep, there is no long-term move to a lower grade. So the normal grades apply. It just happened to be where we were moving through that we had lower grades, but there is no change to the underground grades at South Deep and the new mining method is really just directional changes as opposed to going to mine new areas. So I think what we have is, over time, seen that mining in a certain direction, we have - because the stress that's being applied to the pillars is not coming vertically, but at an angle, and so what we have seen is that angled stress was pushing over some of the pillars and just changing the direction and putting the pillars in line with the stress has changed quite a bit - has positively addressed some of the challenges that the team are facing underground and we find much more stability in the direction that we're mining at the moment. So, no, it does not - we're still mining the same areas just in a different direction, no change to the grade.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Tanya Jakusconek of Scotiabank.

Tanya Jakusconek

Analyst · Scotiabank

Thank you for taking my questions. Just two quick ones. Just to finalize the inflation question. We talked a little bit about sort of the jurisdictions you're seeing inflation in on labor. I just want to confirm on that you're seeing inflationary pressures also obviously in energy, steel, explosives, freight, is there anything else I am missing that you are seeing inflation on?

Paul Schmidt

CFO

No. Tanya, as I said, it's mainly salaries in Australia, but the commodity basket we're seeing inflation in South Africa and in Australia that's making up that mix. Obviously, South Africa, we can have the ODI annual 15% increase that comes from Eskom, which is out of our control, so that's how South Africa gets to the 10% basket. Remember, as Chris said, we had just settled wage negotiations between 6% and 7%. So wages aren't the big inflater, but it's the 15% coming through for - 15% on the power and then also we are seeing in Ghana and in Australia fuel increases coming through, obviously, with the oil prices going above $70.

Tanya Jakusconek

Analyst · Scotiabank

Okay, perfect. And then just wanted to just clarify. Thank you, Chris, for talking about Peru and Chile on the taxation and potential increases. Is there any other place in the world where you are operating that you are hearing about further increases in taxes in Africa, Australia or royalties?

Chris Griffith

Management

No, I think is the answer. We - I think, most countries - so for example, Ghana, I think there is - the government are trying to find additional help, because the pressures that have come from the COVID pandemic, that's no different to Chile and Peru, but we are not hearing in Ghana any changes or suggested changes to taxes and other than Peru and Chile and South Africa, we're not in Australia and we're not in Ghana.

Paul Schmidt

CFO

Yup, correct.

Tanya Jakusconek

Analyst · Scotiabank

Okay. Perfect. Thank you. And then just, Chris, my last question is just for you, you made a comment about looking at maybe growing on that non-producing or producing assets to keep your production rate over 2 million ounces beyond 2030. Can you talk a little bit about sort of what type of assets, what's your criteria for those types of assets? And jurisdiction wise, you've mentioned good jurisdiction, I'm just keen to see what you consider as good jurisdictions and does Canada fit into that, which was something that previous CEO found expensive? And also given your background in platinum, palladium, whether we are sticking to Gold or are we open to platinum, palladium also? Thank you.

Chris Griffith

Management

Thanks, Tanya. So, I think, let's first cross the last one. For the moment, our focus is not on other commodities. Our focus is, at the moment, on gold and in some of the assets we get byproducts that come with that, copper and silver, that's fine. But, at the moment, we are not seeking to change the focus of Gold Fields from a gold company. That doesn't mean that we never will do that, but, at the moment, we don't think that's both what our shareholders and the market wants. So that's - that crosses that off. I think in the - the type of assets that we're looking for is really to actually build on the type of thing that Gold Fields has been good at over the past number of years. Gold Fields has been really good at buying assets. We bought the assets in Australia, we bought the assets in Ghana, we bought the Cerro Corona asset in Peru, so rather - we believe that that's the right way for us to go at the moment as opposed to trying to go buy companies. Now having said, that doesn't mean that we would not talk to other companies, that we wouldn't be talking about in-production assets, but the things that we looking are at - and we've got time to do this is to look at assets either in-production assets or assets that, perhaps, are no longer wanted, because they are starting to go underground. I think we've demonstrated in Australia, as an example, a very good ability to materially improve on the productivity and efficiency of assets that other folks have sort of written off. So it could be a range of the following things. It could be increases in our own assets. Secondly, it…

Paul Schmidt

CFO

Thanks. Yes. And your question about Canada, in time, Canada could be a good jurisdiction. That would certainly be a good jurisdiction or place for us to be, but as you say assets in Canada are not cheap at the moment.

Tanya Jakusconek

Analyst · Scotiabank

Yes. I was just interested if you would grow in South Africa and then maybe just lastly and pass it on to somewhere where other companies have targets of, you know, we want to be assets of over 300,000 ounces, mine life of 10 years, costs X, Y, Z, do you have any of those targets for yourself?

Chris Griffith

Management

Yes. The one thing that we have seen over time with Gold Fields is that the focus on the portfolio, so not having portfolio all over the world in quality jurisdictions and quality assets and we have reduced the all-in cost of this company over $200, $300 per ounce over the last number of years. So that focus has meant that the value of Gold Fields has increased over time and we don't want to go miss that up by buying - by just chasing volume. So we do have criteria. I mean, generally, we would like to find assets with a 10 year life. But when we bought the Australian assets, they didn't have 10 years life and we have now mined for more than 20 years on those assets and still have the same life as we had when we started it. So we'd be very careful about just on the face of it, chasing those like a 10-year life. There may be assets that might have less, but we believe that we can create longer life assets out of them. But they've got to be - have the potential of improving the cost position of the company and they're going to have an ability to not just create more production now, but a greater problem with the diminishing tail in a number of years from now. So we want to be careful that we are looking after the long-term portfolio of Gold Fields. So, yes, we want to chase everybody once the lowest cost assets, they want to pay very little for them and they must be in the best place. You don't get all of those in any assets without overpaying for them.

Tanya Jakusconek

Analyst · Scotiabank

Great. Thank you so much. Any comment on South Africa, would you grow there?

Chris Griffith

Management

No, I don't think so. Other than we would just continue to grow. We're not looking for new assets in South Africa. South Africa's gold - I guess, gold is a - the jurisdiction of South Africa as a gold commodity growth area, I don't think is mature enough now. So we would absolutely - we sit on one of the best assets, the third-biggest gold asset in the world. We have, I think, managed most of the difficulties that have been - that have constrained that asset for many years. We are on an upward trajectory from Gold Fields - from South Deep and we will continue that trajectory, but that's not going to find new gold assets. For now, I think, let's continue growing South Deep out of what we have and I think we are well on the way to doing just that.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this stage, I'd like to hand over to questions from the webcast.

Avishkar Nagaser

Management

Okay. So, I suppose, let's start with South Deep. So we have a question from Ahmed at Oasis. He says, congratulations and welcome to the company, Chris. Then he goes on to ask, so the first question related to inflation, which we answered. The second one is, whilst South Deep performance has improved and is commendable; with the uncertain history and to some extent the negative market perception of South African deep level gold mining, how do you feel the asset fits in the portfolio as you look to unlock value for shareholders?

Chris Griffith

Management

Okay. Look, I think the best way for us to unlock value for shareholders is to continue growing the amount of cash and the margin we make at South Deep. At the moment, if we try to sell that asset, we would get substantially less than the value that we can see for it and that would be a bad outcome for our shareholders. And so, I think, we know exactly what has to be done. We already getting some credit for the cash generation over the last few years. Certainly, the value that's been ascribed to South Deep by analysts over the last few years has been increasing, but we absolutely know that the full value for South Deep is not yet reflected in the value of the company and the best way for us to do that is just to keep doing and Martin and the team at South Deep are very, very conscious of this. They know what needs to be done. They are improving that asset. On every half year, we see improving productivity, improving efficiency and improving gold and managing the cost well. So we just need to keep doing that and eventually the market will give us credit for the work that we're doing. We know that full value is not in our share price. So I think the best way for us to deliver value to shareholders is not to sell that asset now. I think, we've got over the very negative position that South Deep was facing in the group. It has all the hallmarks of a franchise asset. It's a long-life asset. It's got good grades. Yes, it has some challenges at depth, but it's not a narrow reef at depth gold mine and we certainly can mechanize that operation to be more efficient, safer. And yes, it's got some challenges of depth, but the fact is, I think, the mine has mostly overcome those and if you can continue doing what it's doing and continue growing the way that we have forecasted it to be another 20%, 30% growth over the next four to five years. If we continue doing that, that's what's going to deliver value for South Deep. But it has all the hallmarks of being a Gold Fields asset.

Avishkar Nagaser

Management

Okay. Then we have one from Sandile from Umthombo Wealth. And are you expecting steady ore grade demand for the rest of the years? That's the first one. Secondly, what impact are high steel prices having on Salares Norte project costs? And then linked to that is, do you see risks of cost overrun at the project going forward?

Chris Griffith

Management

Okay.

Paul Schmidt

CFO

You want me to talk to Salares quickly, Chris. And then you can deal with the another one. I mean, as we said when we announced the project, we've got just over $90 million of contingency made up of cost contingency and time contingency. We also took out Chilean peso/US dollar currency hedge that is proving very fruitful for us. We've already had about $30 million paid towards us at the moment. Yes, we all being impacted by the steel prices, but it hasn't changed our forecast. We are starting to use some of our contingency, but we are on track to meet and most probably beat the $860 million that we guided in February last year.

Chris Griffith

Management

Thanks, Paul. And the grades at Damang, what we are seeing is some Huni Sandstone, which is a lower grade material in the grades at the moment. The team are doing a lot of work to try and understand what the longer term impact of that is and are we going back to more normal grades. It does seem to be the kind of grades that we're seeing and are likely to be the grades that we're going to see going forward, but we will, I think, be able to give better guidance at the end of the year. But my expectation is that we're going to have slightly lower grades than we had anticipated. At the moment, the team have been making up some of that by additional mining, which, of course, does bring some of the life of mine closer. And over the next few years, again, the team will be looking at whether there is opportunities to - for the further - next cutback, because this is just normal looking at the further cutbacks that go with a mine that sort of coming towards the end of its life. And this underground opportunities that we're looking at and the team will probably have a better sense of what some of that looks like by the end of the year, early part of next year. But in the meantime, it does look like we could see slightly lower grades than we previously anticipated.

Avishkar Nagaser

Management

Okay. Thank you. And there is one from Siphelele at Excelsior Capital. Do you think there is more chance of consolidation in the industry? If so, at what price can this be triggered?

Chris Griffith

Management

I think it's a very difficult question, is that - we've already seen consolidation, there's been lots of talk of consolidation or we likely to see some more consolidation. I guess the answer is yes. At what price that happens? I don't know. This is a pretty tough price at the moment to find good deals, but there is not just a question of price, it's a question of whether you've got two partners that want to dance. So, I think - because there is less appetite, I think, in the market at the moment for hostile moves and paying very large premiums. So if that's not the case, I think you're trying to see merger of equals type deals and those require partners that want to work together. My answer to you, I think, there is likely to be more deals, less hostile deals is a very full price at the moment, so my expectation is that you might see that consolidation taking place over longer periods of time. But very difficult. I mean, it's hard to know what other companies are thinking or saying.

Avishkar Nagaser

Management

Okay. Thank you. Then there is two questions on hedging. One from Herbert at Investec and similar question from Dmitry at Jefferies. What are you thinking about hedging going forward? And do you intend to be unhedged from 2022?

Chris Griffith

Management

Paul?

Paul Schmidt

CFO

Our duty is - remember, the hedging, there's always been in line with our hedging policy. It was for 10th years of heavy capital investment, that's why we hedged last year, that's why we have got some hedges in place for this year. As we stand, we have no hedges in place for next year except for our oil hedges and a little bit of the currency hedge at Salares Norte as we complete the project. But it just depends on where we are. But in the normal course of business, we wouldn't hedge. It would be mainly when we have got big projects that we need to ensure we've got a gold price to cover the cash outlay for that.

Avishkar Nagaser

Management

Okay. Then we've got a couple of questions from Adrian Hammond and I think for you, Paul. Are you comfortable with current gross debt levels?

Paul Schmidt

CFO

We are more than comfortable. I mean, would I like it to be nil? Yes. I mean, it makes my balance sheet stronger, but where we are - as I said, the pure number is not - is a very manageable number. The net debt is around $600 million, excluding leases, more comfortable with that number in there. And as we continue to make money, we will pay down debt together with paying nice dividends to our equity shareholders.

Avishkar Nagaser

Management

Okay. Then please can you comment on how Asanko has performed relative to your expectations? What are your opinions on the asset? Does it require reinvestment?

Chris Griffith

Management

I think Asanko, at the moment, is probably work in progress. It's an asset that I probably have the least confidence in - in that we - in least confidence and just that I just don't know as much as I do about the other assets. It hasn't performed as well as we would have expected. It had a first - this quarter had a good quarter, had a not too bad a quarter, but less so. And I think we're expecting to have a slightly weaker quarter - weaker second half. We don't manage that asset. They have had quite a few management changes. I think, at the moment, work in progress is about the best description. We are just looking at how we can help and how we can engage with our partners, but at the moment there is work to be done. In the very short term, I think this is the work that's underway. At the moment is, what is the capital requirements that are required? Do we need any big cutbacks in the areas that we're moving to? All of that is actually work that's been done by the mine at the moment and it's work in progress and we don't have an answer as to how much capital we're going to need to invest in the cutbacks at Asanko.

Avishkar Nagaser

Management

Okay. Thank you. Last question. What do you intend on doing with free cash flow after consideration of Salares Norte and your baseline dividend?

Paul Schmidt

CFO

It's simple. Let's pay down the debt and then we can discuss it. So the dividend policy has served as well. Everybody has said, when you make more money, you're going to change your dividend policy. We say, no. As you can see, if our earnings are more, the dividend will be substantially more. And you've seen the increase in our dividends over the last three years. Once we did free and we don't have sources to apply, as Chris said, we may be investing in some of our projects down the line. We will cross that hurdle when we needed.

Avishkar Nagaser

Management

Okay. Chris, I think, back to you.

Chris Griffith

Management

I think just to build on your point, Paul, is, I mean - but the fact is, we want to remain disciplined around capital. So we will continue to invest in the company, we will continue to pay shareholders, shareholders are not at the back of the queue. Then Paul says we will investigate other options, paying down debt, all of that increases the share - the returns to shareholders. And then we disciplined. It is nothing to do with the cash. We absolutely would like to pay more cash to shareholders. So that disciplined capital approach, that's been in place in Gold Fields for a number of years, it's not going to be thrown out the window, because you've got a new CEO. The plan is for us to maintain capital discipline and a very important part of that capital discipline is returning cash to shareholders.

Avishkar Nagaser

Management

Okay. I think that's it. Chris, back to you for final comments.

Chris Griffith

Management

Okay. Now, I think all round I think we've had a very solid first half and we are very pleased with the performance of the company so far. It's been a very welcoming place to come into Gold Fields and on the back of a very solid legacy left by Nick and the Gold Fields team. We've got a great base to build on and we plan to do just that. We've got a great next few years and we plan to build on top of that and maintain the value that we've created, looking for new opportunities to create value. The team seem very energized to me at Gold Fields and I think we are in a good space. Thank you very much.