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Q4 2013 Earnings Call· Tue, Jan 28, 2014

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Graco Inc. Q4 2013 Earnings Call Transcript

Presentation

Management

Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Fourth Quarter and Year End 2013 Conference Call for Graco Inc. If you wish to access the replay for this call, you may do so by dialing 1 (800) 406-7325 within the United States or Canada. The dial-in number for international callers is (303) 590-3030. The conference ID number is 4659630. The replay will be available through January 31, 2014. Graco has additional information available in a PowerPoint slide presentation, which is available as part of the webcast player. At the request of the company, we will open the conference up for question and answers after the opening remarks from management. During this call, various remarks may be made by management about their expectations, plans and prospects for the future. These remarks constitute forward-looking statements for the purposes of the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated as a result of various risk factors, including those identified in Item 1A of the company's 2012 annual report on Form 10-K and in Item 1A of the company's most recent quarterly report on Form 10-Q. These reports are available on the company’s website at www.graco.com and the SEC's website at www.sec.gov. Forward-looking statements reflect management’s current views and speak only as of the time they are made. The company undertakes no obligation to update these statements in the light of new information or future events. I will now turn the conference over to Caroline Chambers, Vice President, Corporate Controller and Information Systems. Please go ahead.

Caroline M. Chambers

Management

Good morning, everyone. I'm here this morning with Pat McHale, Jim Graner and Christian Rothe. I'll provide some top level discussion on our overall financial results for our fourth quarter, and then we'll turn the call over to Pat. Slides are available to accompany our call and can be accessed on our website. The slides include information of our consolidated financial results for the quarter in our usual format. Sales this quarter totaled $272 million, an increase of 7% from the prior year. We saw sales growth of 10% in Industrial segment and 5% in the Contractor segment, though Lubrication segment sales declined by 3% for the quarter. Regionally, sales in the Americas grew by 4%, sales in EMEA increased by 8% or 4% at a consistent translation rate. Growth in Asia Pacific was 14% or 16% at a consistent translation rate, with increased sales in the region related to completion of Powder Finishing projects and other industrial activity. Pat will give more detail by region and segments in a moment. Net changes and currency translation rates from the prior year did not have a significant effect on sales or operating results for the quarter or overall. Favorable currency translations from the euro offset unfavorable currency translation change from Asian currency. A table showing impacts of volume, acquisitions and currency by segment and region is included on Page 5 of the slides. Net earnings totaled $45 million or $0.71 per diluted share for the quarter. Page 8 of the slide deck provides a quarter-over-quarter overview of change in operating earnings. Gross profit margin as a percent of sales was 54% for the quarter, a decrease of 0.5 percentage point from the prior year. Manufacturing spending and changes in product mix, including the effect of increased sales of Powder Finishing systems…

Patrick J. McHale

Management

Thanks, Carol, and good morning, everyone. Now, this morning, I'll provide some commentary on the trends we saw in our business in the fourth quarter and our outlook into 2014. Top line growth in Q4 was decent at 7%, although we continue to see a variation from region to region and segment to segment. We'll get into the details of the performance by business in a moment, but here are a few high-level comments. Our Industrial segment outperformed our own expectations in the fourth quarter. The outperformance was driven by China and was largely due to project activity within a couple of specific product categories. For the quarter, billings were stronger than bookings in Asia Pacific Industrial. For Industrial in the Americas and in EMEA, Q4 bookings outpaced billings. The Contractor segment in North America grew 9% year-over-year. Out-the-door data for our channel partners indicates that end user demand growth remained in the double digits. We have a large number of new products launching in 2014 and believe year-end orders were somewhat muted because some retailers were conservative, placing year-end stocking orders of existing product in anticipation of the new lineup that will be available in 2014. While the company's top line was near expectations, the overall earnings were somewhat below expectations. There were 2 discrete items that impacted earnings in the fourth quarter, the first related to increased expense in our Contractor segment for marketing and new product development in preparation for products that are launching in the first half of 2014. We disclosed the potential for these additional costs on the conference call last quarter. At that time, we believed the expense increase would be in the $1 million to $2 million range, actuals came in higher than $3 million. The other discrete item that impacted earnings by…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question today will come from Kevin Maczka with BB&T. Kevin R. Maczka - BB&T Capital Markets, Research Division: First question on some of the costs in the quarter that were elevated. We had product development. We had some pre-launch costs in Contractor. There was a comment about manufacturing spend, and maybe that was elevated and goes back to more normal levels going forward. Can we kind of break out here what you view as the -- I don't know if one-time is the right word, because things like product development and pre-launch is always happening. But what can we assume goes away from some of those elevated cost things? And I know there was a stock option item as well.

James A. Graner

Analyst · BB&T

So I'll give it a go, Kevin. In the fourth quarter, we had about 0.5 percentage point in elevated costs in our manufacturing group. I don't want to call them one-time because they are project-related and projects will reoccur in the future. But they were concentrated in the fourth quarter, and that drop in margin probably should have been spread over the full year or should be spread over the full year in your model going forward. With respect to margins in '14, of course, you heard Pat's comment on favorable cost structure we're looking at, and we are also expected to get about a 1.5 percentage point realized price increase. But with respect to the $3 million in incremental spend in the Contractor division, both in product development and in marketing expenses, we think that will normalize to about a $1 million increase in the first quarter vis-à-vis the first quarter of 2013. Again, that's in the Contractor segment in and of itself. Otherwise, we'll expect normal inflationary kinds of increases plus the expenses that laid out for our organic growth initiatives. With respect to the cost on the stock compensation, there's really 2 elements. We do periodically an all-employee grant. By all-employee, we're talking about non-executive, non-key manager stock compensation. It comes in 2 forms. First is stock appreciation rights that we give to people outside -- generally outside the U.S. because of the tax laws in those countries. As you know, we had some nice increases in our stock price in the fourth quarter of 2013. That added about $1 million to our run rate for the stock appreciation rates. In addition, we granted the all-employee stock to the U.S. non-executive team. And in the same amount of shares, as previously done, and as you know, the…

James A. Graner

Analyst · BB&T

Not exactly. And then, we're, again, forecasting some higher revenues. So that percentages of sales will be different. Hopefully, a little bit lower. Kevin R. Maczka - BB&T Capital Markets, Research Division: Right. Okay. And then just maybe one more from me. On Asia, that was much stronger this quarter. It drove the growth in Industrial. You were very clear about your guidance for Q1 for all of Asia Pac and for the year. But what -- in terms of your comments on Q4 in China and the strength there being better than you expected, was there -- were there some discrete kind of one-time-type shipments that happened there that drove that, because that was really quite a turnaround in Asia Pac growth?

Patrick J. McHale

Management

Yes, I wouldn't necessarily call it one-time because a healthy portion of that business is project-related as capital investments are made by our customers over there. But there was a concentration in the fourth quarter of some significant projects that went through. And we did ship backlog. So just trying to make sure that we're clear about kind of what we see in terms of tempo there versus the billing numbers that we reported. Kevin R. Maczka - BB&T Capital Markets, Research Division: Right. I think we -- so we don't have those -- we don't have that similar type of cadence for project shipments in Q1 and we also have a much difficult comp -- more difficult comp, so that's why we see the down maybe double digits?

Patrick J. McHale

Management

That's correct.

Operator

Operator

Your next question on the line comes from John Franzreb with Sidoti & Company. John Franzreb - Sidoti & Company, LLC: In your prepared remarks, you put an outlook out there for 2014 that embeds a mid single-digit growth profile for the Lube business. That clearly hasn't been the case in the past year. What gives you the confidence that, that business is going to rebound in 2014?

Patrick J. McHale

Management

Well, the Lube came off with a couple of strong years of growth. And while flatter this year, there was lots of activity, both on the new product launch side and on working on some key customer accounts that give us some good reason to believe that we can have a better year in 2014. John Franzreb - Sidoti & Company, LLC: Nothing specific, such as new product introduction, such as...

Patrick J. McHale

Management

No, we launch -- of course, we launch new products every year, but we launched some good products in Lube in the second half of 2013, including a new product that goes on large pieces of mining and construction equipment that we didn't have in our product line before to do automatic lubrication. Specifically, we called the product Electric Dyna-Star. We also launched our broad offering of powered hose reels that we did not have in our product line before. Again, those products are all incremental. In addition, they've done a lot of work with us in key OEM accounts, capturing new business. And we think the combination of those give us an opportunity to grow in '14. John Franzreb - Sidoti & Company, LLC: Okay. Your last remarks surrounded Liquid Finishing and the divestiture. Could you bring us up to speed on what's taking so long, firstly? And secondly, if I've heard your comments properly, if this was the lesson of the year, we'd be looking at a dividend on distribution of roughly $4 million in change, $9 million, $9 million to $4 million? Is that we should be doing for modeling purposes?

James A. Graner

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

And I think, the answer to your last question, first, exactly, the model we'd like you to use, again, equivalent to what we did by quarter in 2013. With respect to the issues at the FTC, it's really clarification of some intellectual property issues and which entity owns which patents. Again, they -- these issues refer to about $1 million in revenue that the separate business will continue. Well, we just want to make sure that we have the right running rules and ownership of this IP going forward. John Franzreb - Sidoti & Company, LLC: Okay. Seems an awful lot of delay for $1 million of disputed revenue. One last piece. The QED acquisition seems to be outside -- substantially outside, maybe normal Graco-targeted markets. Could you talk a little bit about the attraction of that purchase?

Patrick J. McHale

Management

Yes, this is Pat. I'll just talk a little bit about that. We've kind of split up our view of the world a couple of different ways when we look at M&A, and one is to take a look at actual pumping, metering, mixing and dispensing technologies. So we look at the underlying technology and then we do another cut by end market. And while the environmental remediation is a new end market for us, pumping technologies that they use to do the groundwater sampling are very much in line with our existing core competencies in both engineering and manufacturing. So we think it's a good fit. We like the business. They've got a good management team. They play in an interesting end market that we don't participate in today. But our manufacturing and purchasing base should be able to be leveraged, as well as we well understand the core technology. John Franzreb - Sidoti & Company, LLC: Are the returns similar to Graco-type returns, Pat?

James A. Graner

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Their EBITDA is as typical of our, I'll call them, bolt-in acquisitions. It's a little bit less than our current. But again, we expect on the manufacturing side to be able to add significantly to their operating profits. And hopefully, we can add some to the top line as well.

Operator

Operator

Your next question will come from Walter Liptak with Global Hunter.

Walter S. Liptak - Global Hunter Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Global Hunter

I wanted to ask about the outlook you'd mentioned that the Industrial business might be a bit choppy, I think, as we said. And is that because of the Asia business that you were referring to by that, or is there something else? It sounds like Asia will be stronger, and then it's going to weaken a little bit in the first quarter. Is that the choppiness that you're suggesting?

Patrick J. McHale

Management

No, really, we've seen it for the last number of quarters. When you take a look at coming out of the recession in '10 and '11 and most of '12, our Industrial business was more predictable, where we saw pretty much regular growth across geographies and product lines. And really, throughout 2013, in our numbers, we see a lot more variability from quarter-to-quarter between product lines and between countries. And I'm not exactly sure what it is, other than sort of the overall macro situation. But it's a little bit harder to predict, our Industrial business, by product line and geography than it had been the last few years. And I don't really see anything that's necessarily going to change that. There are some currency swings happening in some of the emerging markets, and the news is kind of volatile in terms of business investments. So I anticipate potentially capital spending could still be a little bit variable as we look around the world in 2014.

Walter S. Liptak - Global Hunter Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Global Hunter

Okay. Okay, great. Kind of sticking with your comments in Asia, what was the growth rate that you're expecting for Asia in 2014?

Patrick J. McHale

Management

So we expect to dig out from a bad first quarter and end up in the low-single digits.

Walter S. Liptak - Global Hunter Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Global Hunter

Okay. And the ISM pulled back a little bit in China, and I'm wondering what you're kind of thinking about the tone. I know it's maybe a little bit lumpy with the projects getting produced in the fourth quarter. But what's your sense? Has China finally started to get better?

Patrick J. McHale

Management

I don't really feel that yet, to be honest with you. We came off a couple of really strong years in Asia Pacific, and now we followed it up by a couple of really weak years. So I'm not ready to say that things have bottomed and that they're going to turn the other way. But it's just something that we're going to have to monitor. We've got new products and we've got new people and we're working hard, but the overall environment is really hard to get your arms around there right now. There's, I guess, the Chinese government data that comes out, and then there's our view by end market on the ground and those don't always lining up exactly.

Walter S. Liptak - Global Hunter Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Global Hunter

Okay, okay. And I just had a couple of just minor things. On Page 11, at the bottom, you call out a $10 million divestiture cost. Is that a banking fee?

James A. Graner

Analyst · Global Hunter

Majority of it, yes.

Walter S. Liptak - Global Hunter Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Global Hunter

Okay. And will that be netted with the gain, or is that going to roll through on the income statement?

Caroline M. Chambers

Management

We've been including all those kinds of costs in a lot -- in our acquisition divestiture cost line that we've been calling out every quarter. But ultimately, it will all roll together on the same line in the P&L.

Walter S. Liptak - Global Hunter Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Global Hunter

Okay, okay. And then the last one, you mentioned that you're investing in a leased DC, and I wondered what the strategy was from it. I wasn't sure if I caught the comment. I thought I heard that there was going to be a cost savings because of it. I wonder if you can just provide some more color.

Patrick J. McHale

Management

No, we're going to see -- we're going to have access to that facility in the middle of the year. It will be $1 million to $2 million to get it up and running. We'll have CapEx, new automated equipment in there, probably in that $5 million to $8 million range for the year. And then we'll have an annual operating cost of about $3 million. The situation we're at is that our factories are pretty much all full. And generally speaking, we have our distribution centers attached to our factories, sharing the same footprint. So rather than doing a multiple capital expansion project here the next couple of years and having to expand 3 or 4 of our factories, we made the decision to centralize our distribution operations close to our Rogers, Minnesota location, where we build our contractor equipment. The majority of the volume comes out of -- in terms of -- the volume by cube comes out of the Contractor business, so having a centralized warehouse nearby there will minimize our transit costs, and then we'll be able to take the distribution out of our other facilities and free up all of our facilities for manufacturing growth without having to do a bunch of capital investments. So we did the work, and this really turned out to be the best ROI, and it's really driven by growth, not cost savings. Hopefully, we'll get some efficiencies with everything together, but that's not the main driver.

James A. Graner

Analyst · Global Hunter

Yes. So while -- well, it is the most efficient from a CapEx point of view as far as building costs, but it will have incremental costs that go with it.

Operator

Operator

Your next question will come from Charley Brady with BMO Capital Markets.

Charles D. Brady - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

Just first on the Liquid Finishing dividend. I just want to make sure we're very clear on this because obviously, the consensus numbers, are you saying taken out exactly the -- you had a couple of quarters where you bumped it up last year. Are you saying that those numbers repeat or is it -- or are you just telling us that it's more linear than that?

Caroline M. Chambers

Management

We're going to try to model it so the quarters are equivalent. Obviously, depending on timing of what happens, it could change. But that's...

Patrick J. McHale

Management

The equivalent was 2013. So where we bumped it up in '13, we'll bump it up again in '14.

Charles D. Brady - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

Okay. All right, fair enough. And just on Contractor margin, so I just want to be clear. You're still expecting -- there's been other expenses that are being put in some product roll out stuff. Margins are up year-over-year.

Patrick J. McHale

Management

I would expect the Contractor equipment division will have growth and improvement in margin in 2014 versus 2013.

Charles D. Brady - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

All right. And then on Industrial, with the acquisition, is there any margin headwind because of the acquisition on Industrial in '14?

James A. Graner

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

Not to the point that it will be significant. It might be 0.5 point.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Matt Summerville with KeyBanc.

Matt J. Summerville - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst · KeyBanc

Can you talk about the airless line you're launching? Is that just solely focused on the propane channel or is there something similar coming in home center? And I guess, from an ASP standpoint, how does this product or how will this product compare to the legacy line that's currently in propane?

Patrick J. McHale

Management

Yes. The -- we've got about 50 significant part numbers that are being refreshed and launched this year. So it's a fairly broad-based offering that we're going to have. I don't think it's going to change ASP too much. But what it does do is make sure that we maintain our technology leadership. And we were light on our Contractor equipment, new product launch in 2013. And with the market coming back, we think the timing is right. They hit it with some exciting refresh across the majority of our professional electric and gas-powered airless paint spray line. So it's going to be good for building excitement. It's going to be good for keeping our leadership position. We expect the environment to be good. So it should help us grow. But in and of itself, it's not a huge growth driver of the business. The underlying economy is going to be the most important.

Matt J. Summerville - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst · KeyBanc

And then you mentioned throughout that new product development and marketing spend, you highlighted some of the specific initiatives that you're focused on for 2014. This -- is there a way to better quantify what you're budgeting in terms of that incremental spend in those areas?

James A. Graner

Analyst · KeyBanc

So it's about, let's say, 30 people. And if you take out the average cost of 30 people at $125,000, you get the kind of dollar number you can add to our expense.

Matt J. Summerville - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst · KeyBanc

And then with respect to just kind of a nonresidential market pack, can you provide some thoughts in terms of what you're seeing there?

Patrick J. McHale

Management

Well, here in North America, we're expecting a slight improvement, not a dramatic uplift in terms of the nonresidential environment here. Around the rest of the world, again, it's spotty, there are areas where I see lots going on and there are areas that look pretty dead. So I think, net-net, it's going to be an okay environment outside the U.S. And again, nonresidential in the U.S., I think, is just going to be just okay as well.

Operator

Operator

Your next question will come from James Krapfel with Morningstar.

James Krapfel - Morningstar Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Morningstar

Over the intermediate term, do you think it's fair to say that Contractor segment margin within the Americas -- sorry, segment revenues within Americas will grow at a similar rate to U.S. housing starts, or would you expect new products to drive above-market growth?

Patrick J. McHale

Management

Yes, that's -- it's tough to make that time. When you think about how our Contractor business in the Americas works -- first of all, we've got the split between the home center and the propane, and there are different dynamics, of course, that drive each of those segments. The home center business tends to be less driven by new construction, and it's more by repair, remodel and repaint, people investing in their homes. When you take a look at the Pro side, that's not even clearly aligned with any particular market segment. We sell painting equipment to paint contractors, and they can use it to paint, really, whatever they want. It could be for residential, new construction, it could be for commercial, it could be for a variety of different infrastructure projects, so we have no real way to track that. But I think it's really a combination of what's the environment on remodel, repaint, commercial and residential. And there's some sort of a blend in there, but I do you think there's a formula you can use.

James Krapfel - Morningstar Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Morningstar

Okay, that's helpful. And then, the Contractor segment operating margins. I think 1 year ago, I think 9 months ago, you said that the segment operating margins could reach mid 20s if and when housing starts exceed 1.5 million. Is that something you still foresee?

James A. Graner

Analyst · Morningstar

Yes, we're still comfortable with that. Pat talked earlier on 2014. So we're targeting a 2 percentage point improvement in operating margins. In '14, we're still, at this point, short about $60 million in legacy products sales from the peak in 2006 in North America and about another $30 million short from the peak in Europe. So again, those tended to be the higher priced units, the higher capacity units. And we are seeing a move in acceleration and purchases of those units, so all that bodes well for the operating margins in that segment.

Operator

Operator

Your next question will come from Liam Burke with Janney Capital Managers.

Liam D. Burke - Janney Montgomery Scott LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Janney Capital Managers

Pat, you talked about early successes in the adhesives business. Is it just the North America or has that been rolled out worldwide?

Patrick J. McHale

Management

Yes, we're just starting to get some traction outside the U.S. Really, we put our main dedicated resources for 2013. We're here in the U.S. We did a little bit outside the U.S. Based upon the success that we've had, we are ramping up our investment in that, particularly in some headcount outside the U.S. So I'd say, if you take a look at the actual financial results, probably 85% is U.S.-based. But we have been introducing the product concept around the world, the materials suppliers and others. And so we're not starting out with no attraction for 2014. We've got a little bit of traction internationally.

Liam D. Burke - Janney Montgomery Scott LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Janney Capital Managers

Okay. And on the powder coating side, there've been -- when you -- actually, when you bought the business, there haven't been a lot of distribution out of Asia Pacific. Have you been able to pick up the slack there and increase distribution there?

Patrick J. McHale

Management

Well, actually, Asia Pacific has been a great region for the powder business for a number of years, and they continue to be fairly optimistic about the end market opportunities there going forward. We have, globally, been working -- that Graco -- I'll say, the Graco team and then the Graco Gema team had been working together on the commercial side, mapping out the world and trying to figure out where opportunities are for us to share distribution. And we've made some progress on that over the course of the year. I think we'll make more in 2014. Now the reality is there's been -- a lot of the powder business is project-based and systems-based and it's going to remain a direct sale. And so there's going to be some opportunities for us to expand distribution, but it's not going to look like a Graco business when we're done with it from a channel standpoint.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And your next question will come from Joe Ritchie with Goldman Sachs.

Joseph Ritchie - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

So first, just a quick question on Contractor, can you tell us what was going on in Asia Pac this past quarter? It looks like it was pretty weak. So any specifics around that would be helpful.

Patrick J. McHale

Management

Yes, we're not happy with our recent performance in Contractor over there. It's hard to get your arms around there. Obviously, there's not really a market. We're building the market as we go in most of that territory. So publicly available data that can help us figure out exactly what's going on is nonexistent. But one of the things that we're seeing, particularly in China, is a lot of the construction now has moved, really, from the main historical areas out to the second and third tier cities. And we believe that we're not positioned well enough with distribution in some of those markets. So that's going to be a big focus for us in 2014, making sure that we're building our distribution channel out off the coast and where the action really is. In addition, we are seeing more local players at the entry-level space in that market. As of yet, I can't determine whether that's good for us or bad for us. You can make a case that they could be chipping away at our low-end business. You could also make the case that we've convinced enough of the market the benefits of spraying and other people are seeing the opportunity. So that's going to have to play itself out. We're watching that closely. In general, we think our strategies are still right. But we certainly didn't have the kind of performance here in Asia Pacific in Contractor in 2013 that we expect going forward.

Joseph Ritchie - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

That's really helpful color, Pat. I guess, as you think into '14 then, is there additional investment that you're going to be making then and have you quantified that investment in that region? And then as it relates to your guidance, I know that you guys had specified Contractor up double digits in the Americas, but the other regions are going to grow slower. So Contractor in total, are we looking at closer to high single-digit growth then in '14?

Patrick J. McHale

Management

I would say that, that's probably a good number. In terms of additional investment in Asia Pacific for Contractor, I don't think it should be significant. I think it's really an issue of us deploying the resources that we already have in place slightly differently than we have, again, focusing them on tier 2 and tier 3 cities. And there could be a few people added here or there, but I don't think if there's anything that you're going to notice.

Joseph Ritchie - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Okay. And then maybe, Tim, one question for you on Contractor. This year, you saw there's some pretty significant growth that came out of the home center channel. Could you tell us how much of the mid-teens growth came out of home center because clearly, that was coming in at much lower margin, and I'm just trying to get a sense for how should I should think about the incrementals on organic growth next year, because it would seem to me the incrementals are well above 50% in '13.

James A. Graner

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Yes, so your observation is right. The home center business did grow about double what the paint channel grew. And it has improving operating earnings as we get more volume, but it is a little drag on the overall. But again, we're comfortable. And our goal for -- a 22% kind of operating earnings return for the full year of 2014.

Operator

Operator

Okay. If there are no further questions, I will now turn the conference over to Pat McHale.

Patrick J. McHale

Management

All right. Well, thank you, everyone, for your time this morning. Have a good day.