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Glaukos Corporation (GKOS)

Q2 2021 Earnings Call· Sun, Aug 8, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to Glaukos Corporation’s Second Quarter 2021 Financial Results Conference Call. A copy of the company’s press release is issued after the market close today is available at www.glaukos.com or http://www.glaukos.com. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers’ presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] This call is being recorded and an archived, replay will be available online in the Investor Relations section at www.glaukos.com or http://www.glaukos.com. I will now turn the call over to Chris Lewis, Senior Director of Investor Relations and Corporate Strategy and Development. You may now begin your conference, sir.

Chris Lewis

Analyst

Thank you, and good afternoon. Joining me today are Glaukos President and CEO, Tom Burns; CFO, Joe Gilliam; and COO, Chris Calcaterra. Following our prepared remarks, we’ll open the call to questions. To ensure ample time and opportunity to address everyone’s questions, we request that you limit yourself to one question and one follow up. If you still have additional questions, you may get back into the queue. Please note that all statements, other than statements of historical facts made on this call that address activities, events or developments, we expect, believe or anticipate, will or may occur in the future are forward-looking statements. These include statements about our plans, objectives, strategies and prospects regarding, among other things, our sales, our products, our pipeline technologies, our U.S. and international commercialization, integration and market development efforts, the efficacy of our current and future products, our competitive market position, reimbursement for our products, financial condition and results of operations, as well as the expected impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on our business and operations. These statements are based on current expectations about future events affecting us and are subject to risks, uncertainties and factors relating to our operations and business environment, all of which are difficult to predict and many of which are beyond our control. Therefore, they may cause our actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by forward-looking statements. Review today’s press release and our recent SEC filings for more information about these risk factors. You’ll find these documents in the Investors section of our website at www.glaukos.com. Finally, please note that during today’s call, we will also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, including results on an adjusted basis. We believe these financial measures can facilitate a more complete analysis and greater transparency into Glaukos’ ongoing results of operations, particularly when comparing underlying results from period-to-period. Please refer to the tables in our earnings press release that is available in the Investors section of our website for a reconciliation of these measures to their most directly comparable GAAP financial measure. With that, I will turn the call over to Glaukos’ President and CEO, Tom Burns.

Tom Burns

Analyst

Thank you, Chris. Good afternoon and thank you all for joining us today. We hope everyone is staying safe and doing well. Pioneering new markets the right way as we’ve done with transformative technologies that disrupt conventional treatment paradigms and improve the standard of care for the benefit of patients is not easy and often requires herculean efforts. Since launching our original iStent flagship product in 2012, we have overcome many obstacles along the way, including navigating often complex and changing regulatory and reimbursement environments. Thankfully, since those early days, we’ve grown from a one product glaucoma centric, primarily domestic organization into a global, diversified, hybrid, drug and device ophthalmic leader with four FDA-approved products, a robust near- and long-term pipeline of promising novel therapies across our glaucoma, Corneal Health and retinal disease franchises, a significantly larger global infrastructure and a strong balance sheet, and we have attracted incredible people to our team along the way. We are unapologetically ambitious and confident in our future. We continue to execute on the things within our control, but before we discuss our record second quarter and overall progress, I will spend some time addressing the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, our CMS’ proposed rules for calendar year 2022, including some background and detail, our plans during the ongoing open comment period and what it means for Glaukos should the proposed rules remain unchanged. On July 13th and 19th, CMS published its proposed calendar year 2022 Medicare physician fee and facility fee schedules respectively. These proposed 2022 rules update the payment policies, physician fee and facility payment rates, and other provisions for services furnished under the Medicare physician fee schedule in both the HOPD and ASC settings. The issuance of these proposed rules is followed by a 60-day public comment period, which…

Joe Gilliam

Analyst

Thanks, Tom. As a reminder, I will be discussing our financial performance on a non-GAAP or pro forma basis and will summarize our GAAP performance later in my prepared remarks. I encourage each of you to review our GAAP to non-GAAP reconciliation, which can be found in today’s press release as well as the Investor Relations section of our website. Glaukos’ global consolidated net sales for the second quarter of 2021 were a record $78.1 million, representing year-over-year growth of 147% and sequential growth of 15%. As a reminder, our sales were materially impacted in the second quarter 2020 due to COVID-related restrictions. As Tom mentioned earlier, on a pro forma basis, our second quarter 2021 net sales increased 13% compared to the second quarter of 2019. We were encouraged with the continued COVID-related recovery trends in many key markets globally, including the US during the second quarter. Having said that, we’re monitoring closely the recent developments with the Delta variant that have created isolated, but growing disruptions in the U.S. and abroad. We acknowledge the risk this poses to the overall market recovery dynamics, but we remain cautiously optimistic as to the magnitude of this latest potential global pandemic development. Now turning to our U.S. glaucoma franchise specifically, our second quarter U.S. glaucoma sales were approximately $46.3 million, representing year-over-year growth of 154% and a sequential growth of 16%, which we believe reflects a combination of pandemic-related dynamics, a stable combination -- cataract competitive landscape and pricing environment and underlying seasonality trends. Internationally, our glaucoma franchise delivered second quarter sales of approximately $16.4 million, representing year-over-year growth of 145%, sequential growth of 19% and 56% growth compared to the second quarter of 2019. This performance reflects growing demand in many key markets throughout our European and Asia-Pacific regions, which…

Tom Burns

Analyst

Okay. Thanks, Joe. So in closing, I’d like to reiterate our conviction in our long-term vision. We are resolutely committed to building Glaukos into a leading company in ophthalmology. We will continue to invest in this vision in order to scale our team and to drive innovation, which we believe are foundational pillars to long-term value creation for all stakeholders. We understand the difficulty of forecasting our U.S. combo cataract glaucoma business with precision in the short term. There are many unsettled variables that may influence performance in significant ways. While we are highly disappointed in the initial CMS proposals and we understand that the resulting uncertainty can be disconcerting for investors, we want to take this opportunity to underscore our continued confidence in our future. We pioneered the MIGS market and are going to fight hard for it. Our ambitions go well beyond this category. The funding from our U.S. combo cataract iStent franchise has enabled us to build a pipeline with a breath of magnitude that may be unmatched in this industry and while swing factors in U.S. reimbursement may significantly impact our existing U.S. combo-cataract glaucoma business, we believe that our foundation remains strong and that our pipeline has game changing potential. We believe that this near-term noise gives us the opportunity to again focus your attention on our near- and long-term vision, and we encourage investors to evaluate closely our U.S. glaucoma commercial execution thus far in 2021, the growth and scale of our international glaucoma and Corneal Health franchises and study the pipeline, and we are confident that many of you will come to the same conclusions and enthusiasm we have for the future of Glaukos irrespective of the final U.S. combo cataract reimbursement outcome from CMS. So, with that, I’ll open the call for questions. Operator?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question is from the line of Andrew Brackmann with William Blair.

Andrew Brackmann

Analyst

Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. So, I guess to start, certainly, appreciate all the commentary that you provided on the reimbursement side of things and your thoughts there. But I guess just to take a step back with all of the sort of different variables at play there. Can you maybe just talk about your thought process on why now is the right time to provide some initial thoughts around what 2022 might look like, and I guess related to that, can you maybe just elaborate a bit on some of the assumptions that you’re putting into play there for those ? Thanks.

Tom Burns

Analyst

Hi, Andrew.

Joe Gilliam

Analyst

This is Joe. Thanks. I think it’s a fair question. I’ll start with why 2022 now. I think we certainly understand a situation like this creates uncertainty for investors and we acknowledge that many of you in the research community have done a lot of hard work and preliminary diligence on the potential impact and surveys, dot calls, et cetera. And as a result, we also know that these perspectives exist. But in many cases, they haven’t been translated accurately or maybe at all into numbers because it’s difficult to do so. So, candidly, we want to be helpful and at least provide some accuracy and certainty around the implied math and implications from the street’s initial work on the CMS proposals. When you think about the numbers that we share in the prepared remarks, the $90 million to $110 million, it really utilized a range of volume impact assumptions from the surveys and dot calls and the observations that you all published and it combined with a range of ASP impact scenarios from those same data sources. So we apply that then to the Medicare and ASP portion of both our combo cataract volumes and ASPs. And really the majority of the resulting, I’ll call it, bell curve outcomes is what yielded $90 million to $110 million of U.S. combo cataract revenues in 2022 and as a result, the comment that we include in the prepared remarks.

Andrew Brackmann

Analyst

Got it. That’s helpful. Thank you for that. And I guess shifting gears a little bit here to the pipeline, that’s still sort of around this reimbursement situation. iPRIME, let’s highlighted again here, can you maybe just sort of talk about that product and sort of and where you see that product competing, when it’s going to be available and how that might be able to -- how about that U.S. Stockholm business when and if it gets to market? Thanks.

Chris Lewis

Analyst

Hey, Andrew. This is Chris. We’re still in the same position that we have been for a while in that it’s in late-stage development. It’s a viscodelivery system. There has been a trend of physicians utilizing viscodelivery along with trabecular bypass, looking for the short-term benefits of viscodelivery system and the long-term benefits of trabecular bypass. So that trend is something that we have been looking at for some time.

Andrew Brackmann

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

And your next question is from the line of Chris Cooley with Stephens.

Chris Cooley

Analyst

Good afternoon and thank you for taking the questions, and greatly appreciate, Tom, all your color about the efforts to reverse or to improve the proposed rates going into 2022. Just for me, if I could maybe here in the immediate short run and then one longer term question. Joe, I am just kind of curious if implicit in your guidance for the full year, if you’re assuming any type of deceleration in your domestic MIGS business here in the back half as surgeons potentially start to transition or as you alluded to I believe in your prepared comments, some type of more aggressive marketing there and if so you could just maybe help us better quantify that versus kind of the volume growth that was clearly a record quarter here in the 2Q and I have just one follow up after that? Thank you.

Joe Gilliam

Analyst

Yeah. I’ll start Chris and then let you turn it back to the other questions you’ve got. So I think it’s a good question when you think about a really strong second quarter and the trend lines from that and implications from that strong second quarter and what it would normally mean for the second half. And clearly the guidance of $285 million to $290 million including in the third quarter of $72 million to $74 million is really of two big buckets of assumption. The first one is a bit of COVID conservatism in all of our franchises, both in the third quarter as we progress and certainly as we move into the fourth quarter given the moving parts and the unknowns around the Delta variants and what that could mean for the business going forward. But more importantly is within the US combo-cataract glaucoma segment and what I said during the prepared remarks. I think our assumption is that sitting here today, the competition is already out and will continue to be marketing against the 2022 proposed economics and that’s going to create some degree of headwind as we move forward through the second half of the year. But in particular, we also see a more significant impact in the fourth quarter if the proposed rules are finalized and that comes from a combination of net de-stocking of the channel in the later part of the year and potential pricing concessions that would have to be made ahead out of that January 2022 effective date. So you put all that together and you land at the $285 million to $290 million number with the biggest deceleration component that happened in the fourth quarter.

Chris Cooley

Analyst

I appreciate that. That’s helpful. And then just as we look ahead, again, you’ve got a very prolific new product pipeline in development as we speak today. Just curious about, one, your thoughts on iStent infinite and how the positioning and the uptake of that device might either mirror or differ from the initial adoption of, let’s say, iStent or iStent inject based upon this proposed reimbursement code and the data behind infinite? And similarly, if I could add kind of a two-part there, I was intrigued by your commentary on Intratus there with the $5 million IP R&D charge there in the quarter. I don’t recall that being the timeline previously and just would appreciate maybe just a mental reminder there of when that supposed -- that timeline for the Intratus presbyopia correction? Thanks so much.

Chris Lewis

Analyst

So, Chris, this is Chris. I am going to handle the first part and Joe will handle the second part. As it relates to infinite, that as you know, is a standalone product that we have stated that we are looking to get approval sometime by the -- towards the end of the year. That, in terms of reimbursement, we don’t feel will be affected by what’s been published, it’s a proposed rule for trabecular bypass in combination with cataract surgery. By it being a standalone product, it will be evaluated as such. It will not be seen as an ancillary product, and therefore, we expect we would have more fulsome reimbursement. In terms of how doctors use that, that will be up to the doctors. We are expecting a label that is likely to be advanced glaucoma or refractory glaucoma. We will be conducting Phase IV studies for that product that will be for mild-to-moderate. Payers will have the ability or the decision to make in terms of how they pay for that based on the data, but we won’t be able to market it beyond what the label is, which we think will likely be advanced or refractory glaucoma. Does that answer your question?

Chris Cooley

Analyst

It does. Thank you.

Joe Gilliam

Analyst

Yeah. I am happy to take the second part of the question. So we look at this fulsome pipeline that we talk about and you can all see it kind of unfold before you and one of the things that we find most promising is this proprietary that we even license from, which contains kind of a proprietary blend of pilocarpine and caffeine as a speculating agent. And when we combine these together, we see great promise in early pilot studies when we use these transdermal agents by placing on the eyelid for the treatment of dry eye and then when you see what we’ve done, we’ve already expanded the use of that product with the further in-licensing of the presbyopia claim. And so we expect using this combination in this proprietary cream that we may have the opportunity to open up INDs in this product really toward the end of this year or certainly in the early part of next year, so already this cascade unfolds before you. And make no mistake, if we are as good as we think we can be with this technology, we’ll be looking for other opportunities to treat anterior segment disease using a cream that we think will dramatically improve patient compliance. You can have good pharmacokinetic release which may provide for which could give us extra hang time as we approach some of these disease states. So that’s just one of the novel platforms that we’re investing in which we think can command a very, very promising future for the company.

Chris Calcaterra

Analyst

Chris, I’ll finish that off with the $5 million reference. So that’s an in-process R&D right associated with the upfront amount that we paid to Intratus associated with the expansion of the license into presbyopia, as Tom mentioned.

Operator

Operator

And your next question is from the line of Matt O’Brien with Piper Sandler.

Drew Stafford

Analyst

Hey, guys. This is Drew on for Matt. Thank you for taking the questions and appreciate the transparency on all aspects of business here. I do want to start off on the proposed ASC reimbursement. There’s another med tech company out there who also moved to a new code and was assigned a default 31% device offset as well and they’ve said publicly that they hope to increase that rate by providing CMS with invoices. So I guess the question is, one, is that a pathway forward for you, and then, two, should your decision to incorporate this current rate into your guidance reflect any indication of the likelihood of that rate moving higher in the final rule?

Joe Gilliam

Analyst

So we’re not going to be able to comment on what the likelihood of that is. We’re planning for the worst case scenario and that being what the proposed rules would be. It would be really irresponsible of us to predict the likelihood of that happening.

Tom Burns

Analyst

I think what we could say is that we’re working with the societies to come up with a comprehensive program to be able to improve both the professional fee and the facility fee. And it’s clear that we don’t want to get into tactics now of how we might do that, but we think that these proposed rules are not only unanticipated, but they’re unwarranted and unwelcome. And you can imagine the amount of effort that we’ll put in, fierce effort to being able to modify remedy and to improve our position both on the professional fee side and on the ASD facility side.

Drew Stafford

Analyst

Okay. Very, very helpful. And then I understand you said you use the range of outcomes under that $90 million to $110 million scenario. But maybe you could expand a little bit on how deep some of those pricing cuts would have to be if those rates were increased in the final rule maybe relative to some of your competitors? Thank you.

Joe Gilliam

Analyst

Yeah, Drew. It’s Joe. I guess a couple things. In the $90 million to $110 million as we indicated, that really assumes the proposed rules that have been put out by CMS last month or confirmed in November as the primary case underneath that $90 million to $110 million. With respect to the pricing scenarios, you have to think about it in the ASC setting and in the pricing associated within the ASC for those Medicare patients. As we said, the proposal decreases the reimbursement versus 2021 levels by -- with $837, a significant portion of which we would expect to potentially impact our pricing.

Drew Stafford

Analyst

Very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And your next question is from the line of Robbie Marcus with JPMorgan.

Allen Gong

Analyst

Hey, guys. This is Allen on for Robbie. Just taking a step away from reimbursement for a second, I guess just diving into kind of what you’re seeing in COVID, as you highlighted, there’s a little bit of conservatism that you’re breaking into numbers, which I think is definitely appropriate. But how much like upside do you think there could be from deferred patients coming back, how much of a benefit do we see from that in the quarter and how much do you think it still kind of left on the table?

Joe Gilliam

Analyst

Yeah. Hi, Allen, it’s Joe. I think there’s a couple of things implicit in that question. The first one is I think the backlog remains and physicians and practices are working their way through that. I think that was certainly part of the second quarter dynamic. And as we’ve said in the past, I think, something that all else being equal would play out over many quarters of time and perhaps even years as these physicians work their way through it. I think the secondary component of this is, what we saw in the quarter was more stability and recovery in the U.S., in Europe and Asia, and while Latin America continues to struggle as they navigate the pandemic, we certainly saw encouraging progress towards, I’ll call it, normalization versus the 2019 levels. We may not have been perhaps fully back yet. We obviously noted the commentary from others, the cataract volumes still were below 2019 levels. But we were encouraged by the trend within the second quarter and how that translated into our results. I think as you go forward, the second half all comes down to the variants and I’ll call it human and public health response to them both in the U.S. and globally. And as we’ve all learned along the way, that’s fairly hard to predict, some of what we’ve been seeing in recent weeks is not particularly encouraging, yet we have been encouraged by the continued momentum in the business.

Allen Gong

Analyst

Got it. And then just kind of looking towards the pipeline, I think, probably not to rethink the iDose is looking even more important as to kind of the forward-looking outlook for your company. So how should we really think about what you need to do to lay the groundwork for a successful launch there once you have the data and once you have the approval in hand and just in terms of the competition out in the market, how successful we think the iDose become in the future? Thanks.

Tom Burns

Analyst

Yeah. I’d be happy to address that. So iDose, as you know, you’ve seen the Phase IIb data and the Phase IIb data shows demonstrable reductions in pressure using iDose of 7 millimeters to 8 millimeters all the way out to two years. And we continue to track that data now in that Phase IIb data out to three years and so we’re hopeful that we’ll see continuity even beyond two years. And as you recall, I said from the beginning that we needed to have a six-month implant -- sustained efficacy implant to provide a commercially viable product, and if I had a year, I thought that would be ideal. So think about the benefits of what we have now available for patients given the data we’ve seen in the Phase IIb which has to be obviously validated by our Phase III data. We have something that can be truly game changing for patients. So what do we do in the meantime? Well, in the meantime, we prepare and we lay the groundwork for an injectable procedure that could provide months to perhaps years of therapy over time using this product versus using topical eye drops, which we know from both retrospective and prospective studies, patients are invariably disinclined to take or are non-inherent to therapy. So we put a big bullet in the issue of compliance by having a 24x7 control device that’s placed in a very safe, facile procedure into the eye. Those are game changing types of criteria to be able to move the marketplace. So in the meantime, we set this as a foundational therapy to move forward. We expect again under 505b2 rules that the FDA will use in evaluating the NDA that we’ll have a very open-label, which will go all the way…

Operator

Operator

And your next question is from the line of Jon Block with Stifel.

Jon Block

Analyst

Thanks, guys. Good afternoon. The $837 decline of the ASC, even in the big magnitude of a reversal to get it all of it back? So what’s good enough? In other words, if you were to get a $200 to $300 reversal and a $200 to $300 price discount, does that get you in your opinion where you need to be from a competitive standpoint? Tom, you’ve just talked about at length, you’ve got a safe device. It’s got great risk reward. It’s simple to go ahead and do the procedure from a doc perspective with good pressure drop. So when you talk to the physicians and your customers, is there a threshold where the docs might look past a couple hundred bucks and you feel like you can fight the fight without maybe not necessarily being exactly at parity?

Joe Gilliam

Analyst

Hey, Jon. It’s Joe, and Chris or Tom can also add in. I don’t think we would set a bogey like that or determine a minimum threshold. I think obviously every dollar helps in the equation, whether it’s in the context of our pricing or getting different accounts over the trends on something like this. But I wouldn’t draw a line in the sand that says this dollar amount is the specific target that we need to achieve.

Jon Block

Analyst

Okay. Maybe just to pivot and I’ll stick with glaucoma broadly. But would you expect any sort of spillover effect and it might be an odd question, but spillover effect from the U.S. and internationally, and I get it, the reimbursement is clearly different. But you look to the U.S. market and thought that the leader is the standard-of-care and so when you think about international glaucoma business that’s done well and ramped strongly. Do you expect any sort of spillover effect in that franchise, and if not, Joe, with a really strong balance sheet, what’s the opportunity to maybe accelerate investments on that side of the business?

Joe Gilliam

Analyst

Yeah, Jon. I would say just to answer the question directly. We don’t see a spillover effect. Every market is unique, the reimbursement situations are unique. The clinical data and efficacy that we’ve generated and the experience we’ve got of surgeons in each of those communities continues to move forward positively irrespective of what reimbursement dynamics happen in the United States.

Jon Block

Analyst

And accelerating investments, Joe, with the balance sheet that you have in some of these other franchises?

Joe Gilliam

Analyst

Well, I think, we’ve been doing that, right, for some time. I mean, if you see take a step back on the international business, we were a small player in a couple of markets in 2017 and we made a very significant investment in a lot of countries over the course of 2017 and 2018, and we’ve never stopped since in terms of adding commercial personnel and marketing personnel in addition to that and I think that will continue to move forward as we go forward here.

Jon Block

Analyst

Okay. Thanks for the time, guys.

Joe Gilliam

Analyst

Thanks Jon.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Ravi Misra with Berenberg Capital.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hey. Deb [ph] in for Ravi. I appreciate you taking the question. I kind of want to stick to the pipeline discussion here as well. You’ve given a lot of color into that. But in regards to, I guess, a few things, so, one, just trying to get idea of where your mindset is strategically on a few things in regards to capital allocation. If we think about the rest of 2021, obviously, there’s focus on rebuttal to the reimbursement. But where are you thinking about kind of shifting, is there any shifts to kind of R&D leaning out on OpEx anywhere else that we should think about? And then also looking forward to 2022, in regards to the pipeline, I know you talked about iStent infinite. But is there any other strategic investments you’re looking for maybe in the corneal space, licensing anywhere else. Just trying to get an idea of where you get a sense that?

Joe Gilliam

Analyst

Yeah. Thanks. I guess so I would say it this way. We have a compelling pipeline both near- and long-term when it comes to the spending that we’re making in R&D. I think we will continue to drive that forward aggressively. Now we have a history of prudently reinvesting in our business based upon the scale. But in a situation like this, the opportunity that is attached to our pipeline both over the short-, medium- and long-term is just too great to ignore. And so, I think, obviously within reason, you would expect that we would continue to fulsomely invest in that and drive that forward across the Board. As you think about some of the other areas and I think Tom in different calls and reiterated today has talked about the areas where we’re investing. And it’s not just in infinite, iPRIME, PRESERFLO, iDose, Epi-on. It’s in the transdermal delivery cream for Corneal Health. It’s in retina and all the other areas around it. So, we’ve got a lot of efforts going on that we think individually and collectively are game changing for Glaukos and we’re going to continue invest in them.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Great. And just a quick follow up to that, in regards to the impact of competition, I think you noted in guidance that it was contemplated for 2021. Just curious is that from discussions that you’re having currently with physicians that you’re hearing about that, because my other thought was that physicians might like if they have interested patients kind of stock the pipeline for 2021, so they can get full reimbursement and get it done, so just curious on that front?

Joe Gilliam

Analyst

Yeah. I think we’ve taken a full range of scenarios into consideration when we think about the guidance that we’ve set that has some puts and some takes as it relates to both the third and the fourth quarter and I outlined those a little bit earlier. So I think we considered that what you’re describing around the fourth quarter and taken that into consideration with the guidance we gave.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Thanks.

Joe Gilliam

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And your next question is from the line of Joanne Wuensch with Citi.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hey, guys. This is Anthony [ph] on for Joanne. Thanks for taking our questions. I just have two quick ones on up front. First, is there any iStent infinite revenue baked into guidance for this year? And then back to iPRIME quickly, what’s the -- is the timing for that still 2022, I think, that was the last we heard, but I just wanted to confirm that that’s still the timeline? Thanks.

Joe Gilliam

Analyst

Sure. So first on the infinite question that’s not really at this point given the timelines we’ve talked about around year end, we would not include that in any guidance for 2021 and it’s also, by the way, not included in the combo cataract comments that I made around the $90 million to $110 million for 2022. As it relates to iPRIME, I don’t think we’ve ever said that. We’ve never said a specific timing on it, what we said is we’re in late-stage development and we would probably just leave it there.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Anthony Petrone with Jefferies.

Anthony Petrone

Analyst

Great. Thanks. And my question is going to be on existing just MIGS share landscape, three offerings out there now and one of the competitors actually had a label expansion allowing for canaloplasty and trabeculectomy. It seems that that caused a little bit of share shift here in 2021. So just an update on sort of the landscape and overall share, how you see sort of surgeries being allocated across the three offerings? And a quick follow-up would be if we assume all unchanged on CMS proposals, how seamlessly do you think there could be a switch to standalone from combo? Thanks a lot.

Chris Lewis

Analyst

Hey, Anthony. This is Chris. I’ll address the first part in terms of one of the competitors having an expanded indication on their label. We really haven’t seen any change in behavior from either the physician or the facilities in that regard. They are out there and as we mentioned before, many of those cases are being done in combination with the trabecular bypass.

Joe Gilliam

Analyst

And I’d probably just add that, I am not so sure in that same vein that there’s been a share shift as you suggested. I think we’ve seen a pretty stable combo cataract market environment. You have to remember when you’re thinking about canal/viscodilation that. Number one question how much is being done in combo cataract versus standalone. But number two in combo cataract, how much is being done in combination with stents like iStent inject and Inject W [ph]. So, I think it’s a little bit of an apples and oranges comparison sometimes when you look at those results. As you think about moving forward in 2022 and your comment around the shift from combo cataract to standalone, I think, that’s a bit more difficult than it maybe seem. I am guessing that what you’re saying there is the ability to sort of decouple the procedures and do a cataract surgery and then a subsequent MIGS procedure and I think we feel that’s relatively unlikely.

Anthony Petrone

Analyst

Thanks. That’s helpful.

Operator

Operator

And your next question is from the line of Ryan Zimmerman with BTIG.

Ryan Zimmerman

Analyst

All right. Thanks for squeezing me in. So, maybe Tom or Chris. I think back to your comments about the term tissue destructive for some of the previous viscodelivery devices, certainly carried a more negative connotation. But now that iPRIME has kind of moved up to one of the prime positions in the pipeline. I guess how is your view changing around quote-unquote the tissue destructive procedure space separate from viscodelivery and what you may or may not contemplate for the treatment of glaucoma with those types of devices?

Chris Lewis

Analyst

Hey, Ryan. It’s Chris. And I think there’s a clear distinction here. When we’re talking about viscodelivery or dilation, we’re not talking about the second component of what has which was the goniotomy portion of their procedure. We view a goniotomy procedure as a tissue destructive procedure, not -- we do not see viscodilation as a tissue destructive procedure.

Ryan Zimmerman

Analyst

Okay. Just a follow-up to that, I mean, appreciating that, but has your view of quote-unquote tissue-destructive procedures changed in terms of maybe your interest in being a part of that or having that in combination with some of your existing products?

Tom Burns

Analyst

Ryan, this is Tom. I guess I would say that if anything, it confirms our position from the very beginning, which is high benefit to risk calculus, micro-invasive technologies. And so here we do see that there probably will be, by adding to the armamentarium of surgeons to be able to viscodilate the canal either alone as a standalone or in combination with our eye stents, we think that gives a very micro-invasive non-tissue-destructive kind of purity of message that will best serve patients both from a safety and an efficacy profile. So, if anything, how we’re moving forward with the fact that we are using viscodilation, we think the appropriate way independent of the goniotomy tissue destructive procedure really confirms our philosophy from the start.

Ryan Zimmerman

Analyst

Okay. I appreciate that, Tom. And then just lastly, I think, it was kind of asked before Joe. But understand the 90 to 110 is indicative of combo. The key question I think people are going to ask for 2022 is, what percentage of physicians do you guys anticipate or data covenants, if converts to standalone, whether it’s decoupled or not, just the interest level in physicians in doing standalone and how do you think about that conversion or ability to convert your existing customer base to that methodology?

Tom Burns

Analyst

No. I think they’re two completely different concepts when you think about them. It’s really not about that conversion of the combo cataract market into a standalone market. The combo cataract market will be what it will be as we move forward here. But part of your question around the standalone market, obviously, we’re enthusiastic about the long-term opportunity associated with standalone procedures led by iStent infinite. And as we’ve said in the past, when it comes to 2022 or a post-approval period, there’s going to be a stretch where we’re going around and securing the professional fee payments with the max one-by-one. And we’ve obviously seen the facility fee proposal from CMS around it, so as those things all come together and we’re able to train the surgeons on a standalone procedure. On the heels of that, we’re very encouraged by what it can mean for our business in the years to come.

Ryan Zimmerman

Analyst

Got it. I’ll leave it there. Thanks for taking the questions. Appreciate all the color.

Tom Burns

Analyst

Thanks, Ryan.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Steve Lichtman with Oppenheimer.

David Kuang

Analyst

Hi. Thanks for taking our questions. This is David on for Steve. Just on iDose, when can we expect to see clinical data for that, do you still expect to publish any three-month efficacy results around sometime this year?

Tom Burns

Analyst

Yeah. So, just to update then, Steve, to kind of validate what I’ve said before. So we are looking to probably disclose some additional data in the first half of next year and that would be in really two forms. One would be the recurring data from the Phase IIb study, which will be out to three years. And so we would expect to be able to disclose that to investors. We also have the opportunity to disclose the three-month data in the pivotal study. Now having said that, I will tell you that we’re currently in consultations with the FDA and we may take an opportunity to unmask the data for iDose at one year, which would give us some opportunity to be able to establish a longer term claim. There’s no guarantee there. That’s something we’re consulting with the FDA on. And so if that does transpire, then clearly we would be offering data on the iDose pivotal trial at a later date.

David Kuang

Analyst

Okay. That’s helpful. And then just on Epi-on, can you talk about to what degree this product will be market expanding given your positioning as more of a earlier intervention product?

Tom Burns

Analyst

Well, I can give you the color and just say if you look at Epi-on, I mean, we have a product that is designed to reduce procedure times, really improve patient comfort and really shorten recovery times for patients. And for those on the phone, it utilizes a proprietary novel drug formulation, stronger radiation protocol. And as part of this procedure, we deliver oxygen directly to the eye which has resulted in these profound results where we see halting the progression of keratoconus versus control and where we met the primary endpoint moving forward. So, I won’t be able to quantify for you, but I think it’s fairly intuitive that when this is introduced, this will become a very appealing component for patients to be able to undergo the procedure really with a drug that’s catalyzed on the surface of the eye that can arrest the progression of a site for any disease. So I think it will be kinetic, I think it will be powerful over time and we’re very, very much looking forward to the introduction of Epi-on in 2023.

David Kuang

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And there are no further questions. I will now turn the call back over to Glaukos Corporation.

Tom Burns

Analyst

Okay. Thank you, Kavita. Thank you all for your time and attention today. We hope everyone is staying safe and thank you again for your continued interest in Glaukos. Good-bye.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.