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Q3 2013 Earnings Call· Wed, Nov 27, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Golar LNG Limited Q3 2013 Results Presentation. Today's conference is being recorded. And at this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Mr. Brian Tienzo. Please go ahead, sir.

Brian Tienzo

Management

Thank you for that, and hello, everyone, and welcome to Golar LNG's third quarter results presentation 2013. As the administrator said, my name is Brian Tienzo. And as per usual, I'll be taking you through the third quarter results highlights, as well as the financial highlights in respect to the cash flow and balance sheet. And for this quarter, I'll also be taking you through both the FSRU and shipping business updates. We will not unfortunately be joined today by our CEO, Doug Arnell, because as of yesterday, he became a new dad. So I think he probably is at home praying that he was here. But in any event, we are joined by a senior board advisor, Oscar Spieler, as some of you probably feel familiar with that name, who has been integral to the development of Golar LNG's FLNG project. Without further ado, let's now turn to Page 4 to look at the Q3 highlights. Disappointingly, Golar reports a third quarter net loss of $13.1 million. Within this, it was a cash, noncash loss of $8.2 million on interest rate swaps. Furthermore, EBITDA generated in the quarter was also lower than Q2 and amounted to loss of $3.3 million. But more importantly, cash from operating activities improved from Q2 level to $23 million in Q3. Of course, the main reason for the negative numbers coming out of this third quarter net loss and EBITDA is as a result of the Viking and Gimi being idle for a lot of times during the third quarter. On to other activities during the third quarter. We concluded 1.125 billion aged vessel facility with the Korean ECA. That was done at the end of July, and what this allows us to do is to actually start new highly valued banking relationships, as…

Oscar Spieler

Management

Yes, thank you, Brian. Just going a bit back in time. During my time as a CEO, we were working on quite a few liquefaction projects. One of the first thing I did as a CEO was to shut down the activity due to the high cost breakeven on the LNG, the complexity and the risk of the projects, which we were working at that time. With the shale gas revolution and the gas prices in U.S., we saw a new opportunity for Golar to create a low-cost effective FLNG solution. And if you look at how we started the FSRU business, there's quite a lot of similarities in the way we started that business. As most of you are aware of, we started a FEED study on FLNG last year and have now completed the FEED, which has resulted in a very, very cost-effective solution at relatively short delivery time. The concept what we have said generally is that we don't want to go for the complex project and the complex gas. So our concept have some limitation when it comes to gas quality. We have targeted the pipeline gas quality, and we are also not gone into the difficult environmental areas when it comes to heavy waves and wind. So we are going for the benign waters. The fact that the unit is floating we believe create quite a lot of flexibility where we can employ it. And the fact that it's floating, it creates much less environmental footprint than our onshore plant. And so hopefully, this will be a much easier permitting process, and that's what we see also on the project we are working on. It seems to be much simpler than a land-based project. We have carried out the FEED, and so far, we have…

Brian Tienzo

Management

Yes, absolutely. Thank you, Oscar. So just to summarize the call then, we continue to see a solid uptime for the vessels that are on charter. Today for the past couple of quarters, we've had -- we haven't had any downtime, technical downtime in any of our vessels. And of course, with the new commitment in respect to the 4 vessels, we're now seeing a clear line and sufficient capacity in order to be confident that we will be able to carry the company through a fairly volatile market, shipping market over the next few quarters. There remains 2 distinct charter and timelines in the near-term supply-demand rebalancing that we are lucky to see over the next couple of years, and of course, the much more positive long-term outlook where shipping demand and opportunities thereby remain very robust. As mentioned already, the board is not satisfied with the de-consolidated earnings of Golar LNG Limited, particularly as a result of -- again this is a result of the Viking and Gimi. We are likely to again see challenging numbers during Q4 as we see Golar Arctic going to drydock, and we continue -- to date, we continue to see certain amount of idling time for Viking, Gimi and even for the newbuildings. We are confident though that within time, these vessels, particularly the modern and the newbuildings will start contributing to earnings. There were -- Q3 was successful in respect of FSRU contracting with Kuwait and Jordan FSRUs being signed up. And as a result of those, we look forward to looking at dropping those down to LNG Partners. And Oscar just mentioned the Keppel FEED study for our FLNG concept is now complete. The EPC contract negotiation continues and is now looking to be finalized for the next couple of months. And I think it's fair to say that the project opportunities as a result of this FEED study has widened, and they're looking very positively. And I think lastly, the results of the FEED study was sufficiently robust and very positive such that the board is looking to consider at or looking -- funding the long lead items to make sure the timeline for the quick turnaround of FLNG solution is next. On that note, that ends the presentation for Golar LNG Limited. And so I'd like now to invite the administrator to queue in questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We can now take our first question from Fotis Giannakoulis from Morgan Stanley.

Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst

Yes. I want to ask about the FEED study. I was a little bit surprised to see that you left it until the end of your presentation. If you can give us an estimate of the cost of construction. I understand that now the size of this facility is expected around 2.5 million to 2.8 million tonnes. Is that correct?

Oscar Spieler

Management

Yes, the facility, as I've said, it consists of 4 trains. Each of them is approximately 0.6 million, 0.7 million tonnes. So we can either have 2.8 or we can have 2.1 or 1.4. So it's quite flexible when it comes to sizes and there are a lot of the fields, which we are attacking is smaller field, there's nowhere else can actually develop. So it's important to have a flexible solution. So we don't need to do a FEED study every time we meet a client. When it comes to CapEx, it's competitive. It's the lowest we have seen in the market. I don't want to comment the specific figures. So the fact that we are using an old unit, of course, save cost. I think we have found a concept, which are very effective. The top side, which we have -- which we are using, we have done quite a lot of optimization there. So actually the few consumption on the unit is also very, very competitive compared to similar plans.

Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst

Oscar, can you a little bit clarify how this facility will be deployed? I understand that there is one opportunities to get a pure time charter, and the other alternative is that you get control of the molecule, and you will operate it yourself, and you will sell the fully delivered LNG. How would the economics look in each of these cases?

Oscar Spieler

Management

I mean, we are looking at all different types of structures. We are open to have partners in this product. We would actually like to have partners with local knowledge. Like in Canada, we would like to have partners, and the deal could be anything from a pure tolling deal, as you said, to a full giant LNG facility where we just buy the gas, and we sell the LNG and we take the whole risk. And if you take Canada, for example, or U.S., $3, $4 for the gas, $3 for -- or $1 for piping, then you have the 4 -- $3 for the liquefaction. And then $1.50 in shipping, you are up to $9 delivered in the Far East. So we might not be able to take the full effect of the $15 and $16, which is the price of LNG in Japan, but there is another $3 to be made most probably on top of that, or between $1 and $3 by trading the LNG. And when it comes to the return on the tolling, what we can say that it's similar or better than the first FSRU deals that we did.

Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst

Okay, very clear, very helpful. There are a lot of people that they have discussed about the technical difficulties of the construction with project like that. I understand that you have some answers from the FEED study, which are quite encouraging. Given the expectation of the size and the CapEx that you're going to have, how will the execution risk going to be distributed? Is it going to be Keppel's responsibility to provide facility that can meet the requirements of the new building agreement? Or there are going to be more parties that they will take the execution risk? And also in relation to that, how do you expect that the project like that will be financed?

Oscar Spieler

Management

I'm happy that Brian is here, because he's going to take care of that. But I can [indiscernible] around it. But when it comes to the construction and the conversion itself, Keppel, VVR have a type of modified EPC contract with Keppel where they take on some risk the top part -- top side provide to take on some risk, and then we take on some risk. So it's kind of split between the 3 parties. The way I feel it, the way we have constructed it is that we have a limited risk of cost overruns. We will have more risk on actually that the unit works. That will be on us actually. But the top side provider, we have used or the principle we have followed here is that we don't have -- we are not attested. Everything which is on board has been used in marine industry before, except a few items. But we don't -- we and the providers don't believe that, that is any problem at all. All the liquefaction equipment are in -- there are 18 or 20, 25 plants in operation today. So it’s proven technology, and we get the type of guarantee from the top side provider, but that doesn't really eliminate our risk. It just hurt them if they don't deliver. So that's how it's built up.

Brian Tienzo

Management

And on the financing process, I think, as I'm sure you probably got it from the release itself. The one thing that we want to do is not lose too much time in respect of the actual building itself. So the likelihood is that long lead items, if indeed, they are considered for ordering, long lead items would be financed by Golar itself. Whether it be through, as mentioned in the press release, through a certain amount of a balance sheet restructuring, certain amount of capital raising in respect of this new FLNG business unit. But, of course, the big chunk of it is going to be met by our project's finance. And that is, of course, possible because at the time of ordering long lead items. You may not necessarily had counter-party at the end of it. But the fact that you're ordering long lead items allows you to then firm up certain contracts, offtake contracts and so on -- FLNG contracts and so on. Such that you be able to project finance the unit before it is fully built.

Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst

You think that there is going to be ability to get any debt financing on that? Or this has to be a project financing of a pure equity?

Brian Tienzo

Management

Certainly not pure equity. I think it's a bit inefficient do it on pure equity. I think debt financing certainly, to some extent, is still cheaper than the debt equity cost of -- sorry, the equity cost of Golar today. And that's something that we will aim for. Of course, the one thing that we need to be able to do here is to balance properly how we finance it because, as you know, these are all MLP drop-downable assets. And what we don't want to have is such a steep amortization, where we put dent on these assets. That it hurts the cash flow, albeit the cash flow in these projects will be massively strong. We still got to be aware that there is a sort of stream of cash flow that needs to be released to MLP unitholders, and so we don't necessarily want to debt finance it up to the hilt.

Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst

Bryan, that's very encouraging. I want to ask also about, if the project economics they sound quite compelling. And given the fact that you already have the FEED study, do you think that this can be a solution that can now also be applied for the Douglas Channel Project potentially if the other partners accept it? And also I know that there is a second FEED study that is underway by the partners there. What is the timing of this FEED study?

Oscar Spieler

Management

As I said, we don't really want to comment on Douglas Channel as such. But that said, I think the concept, which we have, the FEED study which we have undertaken, the concept is very, very flexible. And as long as it's not too harsh environment, as long as the gas quality and the gas condition are correct, we can more or less put this anywhere. So I think that, that's answer your question.

Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst

No, that definitely answered my question. And one last question about the newbuilding deliveries, and given the idle time that some of these vessels might have to go through until they get -- they find contracts, what shall we expect as earnings for these new vessels as they hit the water?

Brian Tienzo

Management

I think, we've said before that we would expect to see a lot of volatility in our earnings. Of course, it's very difficult to pin down exactly the earnings expectations. What is encouraging, to some extent, is today that the rates that we are seeing remains pretty robust. Of course, you're only going to be able to earn that if you're carrying cargo. I think the next few quarters, the priority for the group is to make sure that those vessels are working, because otherwise we get hit by the idle time and the bunkers consumption of idling vessels. And so to -- it's quite difficult to give too much guidance, because we are seeing a bit more newbuild deliveries next year. And for each delivery there is of course, a maiden voyage issue. As charterers look to protect themselves from using vessels that haven't had a voyage as yet. Having said that, I think this is where Golar's operating record comes and way above water, where to date we haven't seen any, in the past a couple of quarters, we haven't seen any downtime technically. So it's a very long-winded way of answering your question, Fotis, but again just to emphasize that although we are seeing volatile numbers coming through over the next couple of quarters. The company is robust enough to withstand that to then come out of the other end, when things are looking much more positively.

Operator

Operator

We can now take our next question from Jon Chappell from Evercore.

Jonathan B. Chappell - Evercore Partners Inc., Research Division

Analyst

I have a bunch of questions, but I promise to keep them pretty quick. First of all, we can just summarize Keppel in 2 kind of short answers here. When do you think you have some transparency around starting the construction process with FID? And then also, how much before that would you pursue a contract, an employment contract for that potential asset?

Oscar Spieler

Management

As I said, we are -- we have some good or we have a project, which we are working on there. We believe there are potential that we can take FID in Q2 2014. And then we will need to do and we are, we have actually started to do some small studies on that project already. If that goes ahead, we will have try to do it as fast as possible to start up the construction. And I think, then we are talking about first gas in 2016, sometimes. We need -- sometimes there are some specific requirements because today, the vessel is designed for mooring alongside or [indiscernible]. In some project, we will have to do tarot[ph] mooring and so forth. So we will have to do some further studies. In this specific project, I think it's quite easy. So I think just after we have taken the FID, I think we can start construction a few months later. But as we said, we are considering to order long lead items already in the first quarter next year. And if we do that, that's the shorten construction period by 2, 3 or 4 months. And yes.

Jonathan B. Chappell - Evercore Partners Inc., Research Division

Analyst

All right. That's helpful, Oscar. And then Brian, just some rapid-fire modeling questions for you. Shorter term, the Arctic drydock, what's the [indiscernible] times associated with that in the cost?

Brian Tienzo

Management

Drydocking time as with these vessels are around 20 to 25 days. Costs, again these vessels range from $4.5 million to $5.5 million.

Jonathan B. Chappell - Evercore Partners Inc., Research Division

Analyst

And that's amortized or expensed?

Brian Tienzo

Management

That's to be amortized but of course, cash-wise you get hit in that quarter.

Jonathan B. Chappell - Evercore Partners Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Right. The Tundra, the CapEx increase associated with the move to the FSRU? How much is that?

Brian Tienzo

Management

It's not -- it isn't as material as the changes as a result of the Eskimo changing. So, I mean, you will have seen us quoting $2.74 billion for the entire fleet. I think prior to that, we were just looking at just slightly above $2.7 billion -- so $2.7 billion something. So it's not hundreds. So I'm just trying to recall it, anywhere between 5% to 10% of the costs.

Jonathan B. Chappell - Evercore Partners Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Okay. The Viking has been rumored to be on contract, and then also the Celsius and the Seal also. You mentioned some idling time associated with all of those. What type of employment day should we expect for the 3 of those ships in 4Q? And are the rates kind of well below market at least for the newbuilds given the cooling down process?

Brian Tienzo

Management

On the Viking, yes, she is currently employed. Of course, the quarter isn't complete yet. So we're not sure at what point she will come off charter. There is a possibility she may actually continue throughout. The Celsius and the Seal, I think it's fair to say that obviously, they command a better rate than the Viking, albeit the Viking rate isn't actually that far away from the numbers that we see coming out and being published. So, which is again, which is a sort of, to some extent encouraging to the extent that rates have remained robust. But where people starting to suffer is that, the cargoes are just currently not there at the moment, but we are seeing much more activity over the past couple of weeks, much more activity on shipping. So as far as Seal and Celsius is concerned, they have remained idle since the time of delivery, but there are now current good opportunities for them to go into chartering.

Jonathan B. Chappell - Evercore Partners Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And then finally, just you laid down on the front page of the press release a little bit more clarity on the whole math associated with the de-consolidation. The amortization of the fair value of gain, we spoke offline after the last quarter, I think it was about $15 million annually. It seems just looking through the numbers that, that might have been a little bit low. Is there a new number that we should be amortizing in that line item?

Brian Tienzo

Management

I think we can go through that in detail offline, Jon.

Operator

Operator

And I'll take our next question from Michael Webber from Wells Fargo Securities.

Michael Webber - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but have a couple of questions around FLNG, and then one on the move of the sale-leaseback and the GP. You kind of ran through the time frame for FID and the projects, and then when you might want to go SPEC. Can you maybe lay out the lead time, the time frame for those long lead items? And at what point would you start actually seeing significant cash outflows, and maybe lay those out on a dollar preferably or on a percentage basis. And how far into this would you get prior to commercial agreement, if you are likely to sign something, say in West Africa?

Oscar Spieler

Management

If we start on ordering long lead items, let's say we do that in general, I think we have to pay something like 10% to 15% of the cost. The long lead items will be in the region of $200 million. So we're talking about $30 million in Q1, and then things will -- there's a payment schedule, which is quite more like month by month. And the schedule for delivery of those items is, the longest is 70 weeks. And so that's how that works.

Michael Webber - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

At that point, would you still have the ability to flex that up to 2 to 3 to 4 trains or would you be locked into a certain size of that point?

Oscar Spieler

Management

No. As long as we only order the long lead items, we can have 1, 2, 3 or 4 trains. We can actually have 2 units with 2 trains. So that's the beauty about it as we have flexibility.

Michael Webber - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. That's helpful. And you kind of touched on, my next questions in terms of the actual assets, I would assume this would be one at a time but may be it seems like you could do multiple assets on SPEC at a time. Can you maybe talk about how likely that is and whether there's one of the -- from one of the older assets that's better suited to go first. And how we should think about that?

Oscar Spieler

Management

We have taken, Hilli will be the first vessel which we convert. That's the basis for our FEED. Gimi is a sister vessel, so that should not be a problem, then we have Gandria. But I don't see a big problem of doing multiple conversion at the same time. Although on this side, it would be nice to see how things go before we start the next one. But most probably, we'll not have time, because I mean, if we do this, when the group do something, they do it big. So, I mean, if we do one, we don't do it for only one. We do it multiple.

Michael Webber - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Got you. That make sense. You mentioned the West African project being 2 trains. How large are the others in North America and South America that you're looking at?

Oscar Spieler

Management

North America could be from 2.5 million to 5 million tonnes. South America could be 5 million tonnes. Yes, there are and the West African they are tend to be a bit smaller. There is one project there at 2.5 million tonnes...

Michael Webber - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

So the North and South American projects could require multiple assets each?

Oscar Spieler

Management

Yes. And the good thing about the whole thing, we haven't really market this. And as soon as we get the one project, and people see what we can actually do. I think there will be in multiple of customer coming to us.

Michael Webber - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Just around the sale-leaseback, which is kind of getting buried with a very busy quarter a lot of balls in the air. You mentioned 4 of the 5 remaining would be included in that sale lease back. The Tundra is in that group of 5, that's not financed yet but that's got to obviously, FSRU capability. Would that be excluded from the sale-leaseback?

Brian Tienzo

Management

That's correct. So that -- the Tundra is delivering in 2015 the financing -- the selling it and financing, basically gets rid of any financing exposure of 2014 deliveries.

Michael Webber - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. That's helpful. Just one more for me, and just maybe the higher level. In fact, in the background of everything you mentioned the GP value story that's starting to emerge, and you guys are already into the middle splits and moving to the high splits. And if there is a 30-month lead time on FLNG, it seems pretty likely you'll be into the high splits and it kind of -- your peak level multiple potential range there, before you start actually seeing FLNG cash flow. In terms of how you prioritize driving value for shareholders, does monetizing that GP, which could make a considerable value, does that fall before FLNG cash flows? And is monetizing that a potential way to finance some of these assets?

Brian Tienzo

Management

That's certainly an option that we look at. But I think as mentioned in there, we've got 2 drop-down opportunities coming up, the Igloo and the Eskimo. I think it's fair to say we're not going to wait until 30 months to sell the FLNG, before we drop another one. So you're right. The likelihood is that we would already be in high split before any of these FLNG stuff comes through. Now one of the -- the mentions of it as far as financing the FLNG projects is concerned is multiple options, i.e., one is just monetizing the value in some of the vessels the we have through an FLNG, a separate FLNG business unit. I think Golar LNG has capability also to use its balance sheet as far as ownership of Golar LNG Partners because ultimately, the LNG Partners will benefit from the investment into FLNG. And as far as GP is concerned, it is an option, but I think the first 2 of what I mentioned, is probably the more near-term solution for the initial phase of FLNG expenditure.

Operator

Operator

We can now take our next question from Urs Dur from Clarkson Capital Markets. Urs M. Dür - Clarkson Capital Markets, Research Division: What's the timing on the Kuwait FSRU drop-down at this point? I remember last call you were saying fourth quarter possibly, and obviously we're coming to the close of that. What's the timing looking like? Is it still possible this year or is it much more like next year event?

Brian Tienzo

Management

Well, I mean, the commencement of the charter itself officially doesn't start until about March 2014. So we're not -- we haven't timetabled specifically, when the drop-down is, except to say that it is coming. Urs M. Dür - Clarkson Capital Markets, Research Division: Okay, now fair enough. I just remember on the last call, you had mentioned that it may drop-down ahead of the charter. So we're talking about '14 -- '13, but 4Q, but it's not a big deal just trying to figure out where I place it. I mean, I really think that everything else you touched upon the chartering strategy. I guess you're not necessarily in love with the terms that are being offered to your ships at this time on the newbuild side. Are you just intending to keep the Seal on the Celsius spot for a while? Or are you going to -- I wouldn't say give in but at least accept the 1-, 2- or 3-year deal for at least a couple of these newbuilds being delivered next year to stabilize the earnings base of the parent? What's your view there?

Brian Tienzo

Management

I think, it's fair to say that as we've mentioned before, we're looking at our sort of portfolio basis here. I mean -- I think typically we will see exposure to spots, but at the same time, we are not shying away from the 2- to 3-year deals. I mean, in fact, if the deal comes around and it is within the acceptable range of what we expect, then absolutely that we will -- we will be there. Urs M. Dür - Clarkson Capital Markets, Research Division: Okay, fair enough. And you probably won't be able to answer this, but what is the acceptable range? Is the acceptable range today's 3-year rate of sort of a broad quote for a modern TFT at about $80,000 a day?

Brian Tienzo

Management

That's probably touching about the right numbers that we'd be looking at.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we can now take our next question from Omar Nokta from Global Hunter Securities.

Omar M. Nokta - Global Hunter Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

I just wanted to just touch on again, sorry to beating it down on the FLNG. Oscar, you gave us some good CapEx regarding the $200 million on the long-lead items, but you didn't want to give -- you don't want to like give us too much on the entire capital expenditure, which I understand. But I remember last earnings in the presentation you had provided a slide, saying that you're looking at a $3 to $4 per MMBtu cost to meet your CapEx and ongoing OpEx. Is that still the case, is that still a good number to go by?

Oscar Spieler

Management

Yes, I think that's a good number to go by. It depends on the capacity. I mean, 2.8 million tonnes we will be able to offer something around $3. If it's a 2-train solution, we will most probably be up 4, 4.5. But to be able to develop 0.5 million tonnes, TCF field at that level is very, very competitive, so that's the figures. And in one way, we are trying -- that's the market, that's the tolling market. So we will be competitive.

Omar M. Nokta - Global Hunter Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And then just regarding the concept of either outright owning the hydrocarbons yourself, by buying them and then selling it yourself and trading it, and taking on that extra speculation versus leasing the vessel out on a charter with the potential profit share. What's the -- if you're able to give -- how are your -- in your negotiations with the counter-parties, are they receptive to one versus the other? Are they interested in being able to offload the gas just directly to you? Or do they really want to own it themselves and basically just give you a charter for the ship?

Oscar Spieler

Management

It varies a lot, like the pipe gas, you just buy the gas and then you have to take care of the LNG yourself, like in U.S. and Canada. So -- but, I mean, we might be able also to stitch up off-takers prior to taking FID, and the interest around some of these projects are huge, and there are no problem to get rid of this. Of course, you might not be able to take the whole profit, but you will still not gain a very, very good profit. And so -- and there are certain clients who are not interested in LNG at all, because that's not their business. They only want to get rid of the gas. I mean, in West Africa if we help people with flaring, some of them are just happy. So and then there might be a combination that they want to have profit split of the profit we do on the LNG sales. So but for us, as a Golar, I mean, it creates a lot of opportunities not only on the LNG side, but also on the shipping side and the FSRU side, as I said earlier.

Omar M. Nokta - Global Hunter Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

All right. That's helpful, and just regarding the timing of -- you're potential putting all of the FLNG equipment in a separate structure, is that something that you envision happening around FID in potentially Q2? Or is that maybe a down the line event closer to delivery?

Oscar Spieler

Management

I think we will -- I mean, generally the group as such, we are trying to have clean place here. Shipping is one thing, and liquefaction is another thing. So I think it be most probably we'll do it before delivery and sometimes between FID and delivery or something like that. So.

Omar M. Nokta - Global Hunter Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And then just finally, one sort of engineering question. Just trying to get a sense of what to expect at the Kuwaiti FSRU contract because you have the 9 months of FSRU operations, and then you get the 3 months of winter time to trade it. Considering there are some issues with the newbuildings, and having them I guess be cooled in order for charters to be receptive to wanting to use those ships, is -- when the FSRU that's deployed in Kuwait, when that one rolls off during the winter is there a cooling issue there as well? Or is it the tanks already fine?

Oscar Spieler

Management

The tanks are cooled, they have leak. Yes, So that's no problem.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] There are no further questions in the queue at this time.

Brian Tienzo

Management

Okay, good. If there are no more questions, then I suggest we end the webcast and finally, just to say thank you to all our listeners. We didn't post fantastic results this quarter, but I think you'll appreciate the amount of development that's been going on behind the scenes, when it comes to FSRUs and FLNGs. And we hope to be able to talk about them in much more detail, and I think much more concrete terms next quarter. Thank you, and speak next time. Bye.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. That will conclude today's conference call. Thank you for your participation, ladies and gentlemen. You may now disconnect.