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Golar LNG Limited (GLNG)

Q3 2021 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 9, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Golar LNG Limited Third Quarter 2021 Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode, until we conduct the question-and-answer session on the phone and on the web. Just to remind you all, this call is being recorded. I would like to hand over to your Mr. Karl Staubo. Please begin your meeting.

Karl Staubo

Management

Hi, all, and welcome to Golar LNG's Q3 earnings results presentation. We would like to thank you for taking time to dial in. My name is Karl Fredrik Staubo, the CEO of Golar LNG. Before we get into the quarterly results, please note the forward-looking statements on slide two. I'm accompanied today by our CFO, Mr. Eduardo Maranhao, to present this quarter's results. Turning to slide three and Q3 highlights. We report revenue for the quarter of $107 million, a year-over-year increase of 12%, and an adjusted EBITDA of $74 million, up 30% year-over-year. We expect to continue to see a strong growth in our earnings across both our FLNG segment and Shipping, and we'll get into the details of which throughout this presentation. Starting off on FLNG, we continue to deliver 100% uptime on Hilli, which now has delivered its 63rd LNG cargo, more than any other FLNG globally. Furthermore, we hedged 50% of our TTF linked commodity exposure for Q1 '22, at $28 per MMBtu, implying a Q1 earnings from our train 3 production of $21.2 million for the quarter. We also see increasing contribution from our Brent-linked earnings, and together, the commodity linked production from Hilli is expected to more than double Golar's [indiscernible] earnings from Hilli, in 2022, versus the last 12 months earnings. FLNG Gimi is now 75% technically complete, and scheduled to start its 20-year contract for BP in just about two years. This will unlock an EBITDA backlog to Golar of $3 billion. We also experienced increased momentum for potential new FLNG projects. We continue constructive discussions with an existing customer for use of a five million ton Mark III new build. And we're also making rapid progress on potential integrated projects. We have also seen an increase in the amount of prospective FLNG customers in the quarter across different geographies. Turning to Shipping, our Shipping portfolio achieved a TCE of $49,500 a day for the quarter, up 26% year-over-year. We expect to see increased earnings also from this segment going forward due to increased spot exposure of our fleet opening up through 2022. We have recently contracted one of our ships for a one-year time charter at about $100,000 a day, increasing our revenue backlog for the Shipping segment to $267 million. We see continued strengthening for LNG shipping with increasing interest for three to five-year charters, increasing asset values driven by new building prices, and increasing day rates. On corporate and investment, we secured $682 million in new financings during the quarter. The proceeds from these financings will be used to refinance our upcoming convertible bond maturity, as well as extend maturity of other vessel financings. We now have no material debt maturities until after the FLNG Gimi delivers an increased financial flexibility to fund attractive FLNG growth project. I will now turn the call over to Eduardo to take us through the third quarter results.

Eduardo Maranhao

Management

Thanks, Karl, and good morning, everybody. I'm very pleased to provide an update on our financial results for the third quarter of 2021. So, turning to slide number five, we can see that the group had a very solid performance in the third quarter. Total operating revenues increased to $107 million in Q3, this was an increase of 13% from the same quarter of last year. Operational performance was really strong, and adjusted EBITDA came in at $74 million this quarter, up 30% year-on-year. This quarter, we recorded a net loss of $91 million; this was mainly driven by a non-cash mark-to-market adjustment of $157 million to the value of our New Fortress Energy shareholding at the end of September. This was partially offset by realized and unrealized gains on our oil and gad derivatives of $73 million. I will talk more about this in this presentation. The increase in total operating revenues can be attributed to a strong and improving shipping performance. TCE earnings across our shipping fleet increased to $49,500 per day in Q3, up 13% on Q2, and 27% more than last year's Q3 numbers. We expect it will continue to increase as the shipping fleet will be re-contracted at higher expected rates. Total operating revenues from our FLNG Hilli, including [indiscernible] were $55 million in Q3, in line with $55 million in Q3 last year. This number was further enhanced when including the Brent-linked revenues. This oil-linked component of Hilli generates additional operational cash flows of approximately $3.1 million for every dollar increase in Brent crude prices above $60 per barrel. As a result of rising prices, an $8.9 million realized gain on the oil derivative instrument was recorded in Q3, up from $3 million we realized in Q2. Adjusted EBITDA from Shipping was $30 million…

Karl Staubo

Management

Thank you, Eduardo. Turning to slide nine and diving into some more of the detail of what this incremental increase in production could equate to in dollars. So, Hilli was originally contracted for half of its installed capacity, or 1.2 million tons of the 2.4 million tons of installed capacity. Golar share of the EBITDA generation of this initial 50% of utilization is $74 million of fixed annual tolling fee plus an oil derivative where Golar makes $2.7 million of EBITDA for every dollar Brent is above 60. In July, we announced an increased capacity utilization to increase production from 1st of January 2022 by 0.2 million tons or from 50% to 58% in capacity utilization. The tolling fee for this 8% increment production is linked to the TTF gas price. On current TTF prices, the incremental 2022 revenue generation from the increased production is $85 million to Golar. A $1 change in the TTF price corresponds to $2.8 million change in EBITDA, if you have a different view about the TTF price, you can run your own sensitivity. Sure, the more we grounded Perenco, the charter of Hilli, a one-time three-year option to increase production from Hilli from 2023 until end of its current contract in July 2026. The increase for those three years would be from 4.4 million tons or from 50% to 66% capacity utilization. The 16% optional volume has a tariff equivalent to the increased capacity utilization for '22 linked to the TTF price. Again at current TTF prices that would equate to $164 million in annual EBITDA to Golar, again, sensitivity here would say that the dollar change in the TTF price would correspond to a $6.5 million change in EBITDA. Perenco needs the clear option for the 23 to 26 production during the first-half…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Randy Giveans from Jefferies. Please go ahead with your question.

Randy Giveans

Analyst

Howdy, Karl and Eduardo. How's it going?

Karl Staubo

Management

Hey, Randy.

Eduardo Maranhao

Management

Hey, Randy.

Randy Giveans

Analyst

Hey. So, yes, first, obviously congrats on the increased throughput for Hilli train 3, I know it's been a long time coming, so a few questions around this, can more of that 200,000 tons, in 2022, be pulled into the first quarter to kind of take advantage of the elevated LNG prices or is it capped, basically, at 50,000 tons per quarter throughout next year? And then secondly on that, any reason this can't start before January 1, or is there some specific deadline or a start date there? And then lastly, any hurdles or timeline around the further expansion of this, obviously it's [indiscernible] option here in the first-half of next year?

Karl Staubo

Management

Yes, sure. So, for now the 200,000 tons is equally distributed throughout next year, so think of it as 50,000 a quarter.

Randy Giveans

Analyst

Yes.

Karl Staubo

Management

As we have with the current production, there is room for some overproduction that can be fine-tuned into each quarter. But that's equally dependent on gas flows and gas prices. So, it's not very easy to move all of that into the high gas prices of Q1. When it comes to further expansion, they are currently undergoing a drilling program. They need to declare the option during the first-half of next year. They originally committed to drilling one well. We have been made aware that they're now drilling four wells to secure the incremental production. So, if it was likely that they declared the option with one well, we think it's four times as likely that they will do it with four wells. And with this gas price and the stable operation of Hilli, we think it's in everybody's interest to declare the incremental volume from '23 to '26. And we remain very optimistic that they will.

Randy Giveans

Analyst

Got it. And then the other quick part of that question, any way to turn that on a little earlier than January 1, to get some 4Q upside?

Karl Staubo

Management

We believe this will happen from January 1, that's the contractual obligation.

Randy Giveans

Analyst

Got it. All right, and then kind of turning to your balance sheet, clearly in great shape there, no debt maturities till 2024, minimal CapEx really, even including Gimi. So, I guess two questions around that. First, on the converts and just the timing of redemption, do you expect that here in the fourth quarter or waiting until February? And then secondly, what's the next use of this additional liquidity? Is there any maybe share repurchase authorization, your share are kind of stubbornly trading at $13-$14, over the focus beyond further reducing the debt from the LNG carriers?

Karl Staubo

Management

Do you want to take one, Eduardo?

Eduardo Maranhao

Management

Yes, sure. So, hi, Randy. So, when it comes to the redemption of the convertible bonds, in connection with the [insurance] [Ph] of the unsecureds, we have repaid $85 million out of the $402 million of converts. So, we remain with 317, which will mature in February. And we plan to redeem those bonds upon maturity, so we have no plans to further repay any other bonds before that date.

Randy Giveans

Analyst

Okay.

Eduardo Maranhao

Management

And -- but $85 million has already been prepaid right in connection with the bond issuance. And when it comes to the share repurchase, we still have, as approved by the Board, up to $25 million of an allowance to complete our share buyback program. But we have no further plans or no intentions to do it in the near-term.

Randy Giveans

Analyst

All right, well, I guess, that's it for me. I'll let someone else ask about the LNG spin potential. Thanks so much.

Eduardo Maranhao

Management

Thank you.

Karl Staubo

Management

Thank you, Randy.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Ken Hoexter from Bank of America. Please go ahead with your question.

Ken Hoexter

Analyst · your question.

Great. Hey, Karl and Eduardo. Can you talk about the progress of the FLNG discussions? Are they more Mark III? Is anything popping up on the Gandria? Maybe just provide us, it sounds like you're accelerating some of those discussions, we've heard that a lot from Golar over the past. So, I just want to see what stage do you think they're at, and how far they're progressing?

Karl Staubo

Management

Yes, hi, Ken. So, I think we got the same question in the July, on the Q2 call. And at that time, we said we think that there will be material FLNG news within six to 12 months. At that time we said more likely six than 12. And I think we would stand by that guiding, and that was in August. So, that gives you some perspective on where we see timing. And when it comes to [what type of] [Ph] project, we are making progress on both tolling base and integrated contacts. So, I think there's -- if you listen to Cosmos' quarterly call yesterday, they discussed Phase 2 FID decision for the Tortue field during 2022. And on that field, all of the infrastructure, apart from the FLNG, is built to accommodate LNG production of five million tons, and we have three-and-a-half today. On integrated projects, that should be done by Gandria, but also some of the other FLNG solutions. So, I would say that on the tolling fee, I think it's more likely that will go the Mark III [indiscernible]. And on the integrated project, we'll probably utilize smaller volumes, and then a Mark I or a Mark II device.

Ken Hoexter

Analyst · your question.

Great. Sounds like something's coming verily in the next couple months, so look forward to that. Thank you. And then the increase in production maybe just a little bit more following Randy's questions. But is that on the -- that the first two trains, is this all on the third train? Are you -- do you still have any access to grow that potential of the fourth train? And maybe time frame when they have to give you that answer in '22, is it -- you mentioned, is it over the next couple of months that we're looking for an answer, and scale and size? Thanks.

Karl Staubo

Management

Yes, sure. So, just to be clear, Hilli has got four trains, and we produce from all four trains today, we interchange which trains we produce from. Just think of it as buying a new car. Even if it's a new car, you don't let it sit still in your garage for four years, and then go and try to start it. So, you want to make sure that it's kept up to speed and sort of works as it's supposed to do. So, we keep on interchanging which trains we produce from. But you're right, that we only produce 50% of our utilization. And if you want to equate that into trains, that's train 1 and 2. The incremental production is, for '22, an increase of 8%, and potentially from '23 to '26 of 16%. All of that can be satisfied from train 3, even if we interchange between all the four trains and they need to declared up during the first six months of 2022 or before the end of the summer, we should know at the latest.

Ken Hoexter

Analyst · your question.

All right, and then the incremental, you mentioned just comes from that any incremental comes within those three trains. You're still not looking at upscaling it to the fourth yet, even with the interchange.

Karl Staubo

Management

That has to do with the gas resource that we're producing from and the amount of gas flow that Perenco can allow themselves to extract while still have this firing the off-take agreements that they have entered into until July 2026.

Ken Hoexter

Analyst · your question.

Perfect. Those are my two, appreciate the time. Thanks, Karl. Thanks, Eduardo.

Karl Staubo

Management

Thanks.

Eduardo Maranhao

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes to line of Ben Nolan from Stifel. Please go ahead with your question.

Frank Galanti

Analyst

Yes, great. This is Frank Galanti on for Ben. Thanks for taking our question. I wanted to follow-up on the Hilli kind of thinking longer-term. Can you walk through the potential options for the Hilli and Perenco kind of looking out past 2026? Is it -- in other words, is it -- at the end of the contract, is it just to sign a new longer term contract with more volume or nothing? Are there other options that that could provide that additional gas needed?

Karl Staubo

Management

Yes, sure. And so I think we have all along said that we are not going to talk about extension before we get paid for the full capacity utilization of the unit. And we think the increased production from January 1 is one step in that direction. The further increase or potential increase from 23 to 26 is another step in that direction. Should that be declared, then we could be open to discuss that with Perenco until it is declared or not, but with the proven track record of Hilli and the current gas price, Hilli is an increasingly attractive unit to several potential charters. And our target is to deploy her on an integrated contract where we get more of the upside.

Frank Galanti

Analyst

Okay. Yes, that's helpful. And then I guess for my second question, thinking about stranded gas or more specifically gas is currently flared providing an opportunity to monetize that is clearly an obvious solution. But those deals and has sort of been hard to materialize. Could you talk through some of the challenges on, on that type of gas sourcing and then in kind of what the expectations are from your perspectives on being able to solve those problems?

Karl Staubo

Management

I think the key factor as to why the FLNG, FIDs have been slower than at least Golar originally anticipated that's purely been the gas price. So, if you look at where the gas price was over the course of the last four or five years, it's mainly been driving downstream, which is why we kind of shifted focus for a bit and built Golar power, which later change the name to Hygo and then sold to GMLP. Now that the gas price is currently on spot, but also on forward curves back in the territory that supports upstream investment. We think that's the key driver of unlocking new FLNG project. So, first and foremost, it's driven by both current, but equally important forward picture of LNG prices. That's the key driver. Other call it stumbling blocks that you need to close is to have all of the regulatory permits in the specific field to be allowed to use LNG exports, which includes some time, time consuming government approval.

Frank Galanti

Analyst

Okay, very helpful. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Mike Webber from Webber Research. Please go ahead with your question.

Mike Webber

Analyst · your question.

Hey, good morning guys. How are you?

Karl Staubo

Management

Hey, Mike.

Eduardo Maranhao

Management

Well, thanks.

Mike Webber

Analyst · your question.

Good. Some of this has already been parsed over, but in looking at the deck looks like you guys put some energy into kind of re-carving it a little bit and then showing it a bit differently, which is appreciated looks good. But the one thing that's a little bit absent here is I think Randy even references at the end of his time that there's not a lot of color on the strategic review and what you plan to do with the LNG carriers. I know that's -- Ell, there's only so much you're going to be able to get into there, but particularly as it pertains to your ability to go out and chase additional FLNG business, and your ability to finance that at attractively, having the volatility especially the LNG carriers on the balance sheet has been an issue for Golar historically. So, I'm curious, do you think you'll -- do you think it's likely that you end up executing or -- on a spin or finding the right strategic solutions for the LNG carrier fleet before you would consider pursuing formally or FID-ing an FLNG project that would likely run you $1 billion to $2 billion and put you back into the financing market.

Karl Staubo

Management

We do not see the shipping spin as a requirement to do new FLNG projects at all that that's absolutely not an issue the way we did. As we have highlighted in the past, right now we very much like the outlook both for FLNG and shipping, but we have to admit that we think our uniqueness mainly sits in the FLNG segment because that's where we have a unique competitive edge. So, as much as we like both segments, we think that it could be that we could better extract the value from the two segments if they were separately listed vehicles and will continue to be opportunistic in pursuing such venues. And once we have something to update the market with, I'm pretty convinced we will.

Mike Webber

Analyst · your question.

Got you. And just to dig into that a little bit, if you're looking at a Mark III and 5 MPTA, you're likely going to be building that's somewhere where you can get export financing, that's just going to be a larger endeavor. If you're looking at placing a second FLNG asset in Tortue, right, to your point earlier, it's likely a Mark I or Mark II. I would assume then the presumption is you would be doing that in China, Korea, not in Singapore from a financing availability perspective. But if I think about the -- if I prioritize the projects that you're looking at, I know you've made a big shift to look at the Mark III and the 5 ton market. Do you think it's more likely you look at something that large as your next project? Or are you going to be back into that 2.5 million ton market for Tortue? It sounds like Tortue it seems like it's been the front runner for quite a long time, but I just want to make sure we're clear on that because obviously that has implications on the importance of spending the carriers of the way you kind of address your balance sheet.

Karl Staubo

Management

We have cash and marketable securities north of $700 million today. I think one of the key things that's changed for FLNG's since the initial Hilli is -- at that time this was not the proven concept and no one knew if this would actually work in practice. The unit is now operated with 100% utilization since 2018. It is a proven concept and BP has ordered a similar unit. So, it's starting to become more of a generic asset. It's not like an FPSO that's custom made to the field. It's a generic asset. So, we do see financing availability for these units, very different from when we originally contracted Hilli and also Gimi. You are right that for new FLNG projects, we will likely target structures that will allow us to have a significantly reduced equity contribution during the construction phase.

Mike Webber

Analyst · your question.

Right. I guess what sticks out in my mind is Equatorial Guinea, all right, which would have been post Hilli, which had contracts, which wasn't able to see your financing. I know that was in part because of where it was being built, but you also had the complicating factor that the LNG market had turned and you're burning $100 million a year in that space. So, obviously that's not a concern right now, given where the market is and the outlook, but who knows where we are two to three years from now. So, I think that's trying to avoid a repeat cycle of what we've seen a couple times ago over the past decade is kind of the angle with which I'm asking.

Karl Staubo

Management

Yes, no -- so, at the end of the day that resource is still there. It's still a very large resource. It's still got a very high quality gas. And it's natural to assume that we're evaluating that alongside any other integrated project. But as you say, we know what failed on that project last time around. So, if we're going back in, we need to ensure that that will not happen this time, but that's very far from the only integrated project we're looking at, so there's several currently under discussion right now.

Mike Webber

Analyst · your question.

Right, okay. I can take that offline. Thanks for the time guys. Appreciate it.

Karl Staubo

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Sean Morgan from Evercore. Please go ahead with your question.

Sean Morgan

Analyst · your question.

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. So, just to kind of follow up a little bit on some of what we've discussed on LNG, but as I look at the Slide on 11, I see we kind have a pretty widespread up to the 32 range for which I think sort of indicates spot activity in Asia for the integrated model. And so for that integrated model is there any need, you mentioned it would be a smaller one of the smaller builds for the FLNG. Is there any need to sort of backstop that -- that the cost to produce the asset with SPAa. And if you were to sign SPAs, is there -- are you seeing interest in the market for TTF and, and JKM based pricing based on the recent volatility we've seen in those kind of Asian and European spot prices or you think it's maybe a little bit more interest towards the Brent? If in fact you actually need to sign SPAs in order to finance the project.

Karl Staubo

Management

Yes, sure. So, a natural model for the integrate that is that you try to create asymmetric risk profile, and in doing so it could be interesting to sell half of the volume or similar on SPA basis whether that's linked to TTF or JKM net back or whether it's linked to Brent depends on what you can negotiate with the end user. And then you said naked on the other half and be exposed to the market. But it could be interesting to fund parts of such projects with an SPA. And what -- at the end of the day, what search in SPA looks like depends on negotiations.

Sean Morgan

Analyst · your question.

Okay. And so, in terms of lining up the financing with whether it's an export finance facility or more traditional bank facility, you think that there's a route that you could go where you you'd essentially doing an integrated project without having to rely on the SPA market at all.

Karl Staubo

Management

It depends on whether you use an existing unit or a new unit. Like, I think it a bit of a premature question and it's a very directly into the business development of the company, but we would obviously not enter into an FLNG project without funding. So, funding is one of the key attributes when we build the project.

Sean Morgan

Analyst · your question.

Okay. Thanks a lot.

Karl Staubo

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Craig Shere from Tuohy Brothers. Please go ahead with your question.

Craig Shere

Analyst · your question.

Good morning, our time. Congratulations on the good quarter. One question about the focus on the integrated approach, we've seen in recent months a break in the logjam that's been there for two to three years on long-term, large scale land based LNG contracting. And some new FIDs are certainly being teed up in the next couple quarters on top of the Qatari mid decade supply. As we think about the Perenco contract coming off in 2026 with Hilli, are you still as committed as ever to going this route on more commodity exposure even into mid and late decade?

Karl Staubo

Management

Yes, I think if you go back to the Slide 19 that we showed in the deck here, LNG is expected to grow by 50% from 360 million tons to 550 million tons, and we need to see a significant ramp up in new liquifaction projects if we are to meet anywhere close to that development. So, the short answer is yes, we would be interested to take commodity exposure. But again, as the previous question, we would probably link that to fixed SPAs for at least half the volume to reduce any downside risk and have significant offsite exposure.

Craig Shere

Analyst · your question.

Got you, okay…

Karl Staubo

Management

Similar to what we have on Hilli really.

Craig Shere

Analyst · your question.

Fair enough. And to what extend can you more for segue into more environmentally friendly clean tech? I mean, can your FLNG design support say 10% or 20% of the gas flow being spiked with hydrogen. Let's say you're in the Middle East project was very economic to have renewable electrolysis for green hydrogen. Can you support that with your technology?

Karl Staubo

Management

I think what I'd say on that front is that we have a green team within Golar, which are currently exploring a number of ways of further optimizing our FLNG production, which includes looking into to those type of potential production enhancements, and also carbon capture solutions on some of the emissions. Again, there're so many different technologies flowing around these states. Most of them are at the concept stage, but very rapidly being developed. And we are trying to very closely monitor that will also engage with several of these companies as the technology gets more and more proven. So, we exactly which way that will take and what form I think engineers are better placed to answer than I am. But it's certainly something we're driving and have a very wrong focus on across the company, because we also see that that's a key attribute in getting new FLNG projects.

Craig Shere

Analyst · your question.

Right. Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Omar Nokta from Clarksons Securities. Please go ahead with your question. Omar is your line on mute. Can you unmute yourself please? Due to no response from the line of Omar, we are going to proceed to the following one. Our next question comes from the line of Liam Burke from B. Riley. Please go ahead with your question.

Liam Burke

Analyst · your question.

Thank you. Karl, Eduardo, how are you?

Karl Staubo

Management

Well, thanks. Hi, Liam.

Eduardo Maranhao

Management

Hi, Liam.

Liam Burke

Analyst · your question.

Karl, the returns on the commodity linked FLNGs are exceedingly high and attractive. Do you see any competitors coming into the market to try and compete away some of those opportunities for you?

Karl Staubo

Management

I agree that they're very attractive. In terms of competitors that are trying -- there are several people looking at FLNG and there has been since we started it. I think for now, no one else has been able to prove the technology with the same operational track record. So, for now we feel like we have a very strong competitive advantage. But if these type of returns prevail, we would assume that other peoples will try to chime in as we go along, but for now we don't see any direct competitors.

Liam Burke

Analyst · your question.

Okay. Thank you, Karl.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Chris Wetherbee from Citi. Please go ahead with your question.

James Yoon

Analyst · your question.

Hey, guys, James on for Chris. Just wanted to ask a quick question about the capital structure, obviously, you're interesting the converts in February, but just wanted to understand how you're thinking about it moving forward. Is there a target mix of unsecured? Is there more work to be done before we take on another project like essentially, where are you in sort of the process and sort of what does the end state look like as of now?

Eduardo Maranhao

Management

Hi Chris, this is Eduardo here. Yes. So, as we explained on the presentation once we get all these refinances done and completed, we will be left with pretty much only the maturities of our vessels refinancing. So, there will be no material refinancing between now and the time of the Gimi is delivered. So, we believe that unless any new major project comes into the pipeline and we take a final investment decision within that timeframe. We pretty much have all the refinancing under control and there will be no further need to explore any other such refinancings in the near-term. But having said and having listened to Karl presented all the business development opportunities that we explore right now upon a decision to move ahead with any of those projects, there will be the need to funds and to provide the necessary capital to explore a major, for example, FLNG opportunity. So, I think we continue to look, but the [indiscernible] until the Gimi is delivered, there will be no major maturities between now and then.

James Yoon

Analyst · your question.

Got it. And just so I understand around the head, presumably lines approval to convert and under lines that just given where you're trading in sort of the outlook, just wanting to understand your strategy around hedging essentially, should we think of this as essentially a one-time thing or is it something that you might opportunistically do, if it makes sense? Just wanted to understand sort of your strategy around the hedge?

Karl Staubo

Management

Sorry, was the question on the TTF hedge?

James Yoon

Analyst · your question.

Correct.

Karl Staubo

Management

And I think for us, we'll continue to do it opportunistically, if we see the indirect to be attractive.

James Yoon

Analyst · your question.

Okay, so I'm sorry, just because little confusing it sounded like, I mean it sounds like you're looking at the valuation of fee and saying, I want to be a long-term holder, given that valuation, rather than in the release, it sounded like, hey, this is something we might need, might want to monetize, if we get another project to move forward with.

Karl Staubo

Management

I can understand the interpretation of how you read the release, the purpose of it, because we've gotten a lot of questions on we have $540 million of cash invested into Gimi, that's part of our EV, but currently not generating cash flow because the unit isn't delivered. The same is true for our stake in new Fortress Energy and Avenir. Yes, NFE pays currently a small dividend, Avenir does more. So, the statement referred to the fact that you could take the Gimi stake and the cash invested or the cash value of the cash in NFV and Avenir. There could be a potential to redeploy that cash into FLNG project, which has a higher cash yield. That's how it was meant and absolutely not as a means of any near-term actions to be taken.

James Yoon

Analyst · your question.

Perfect. That's a great clarification. Thanks, Karl.

Karl Staubo

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

We appear to have no further question. At this point, I'll hand the conference back to you sir.

Karl Staubo

Management

That concludes Q3 presentation. Thank you all for dialing in and have a good day.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation today. This concludes this conference. You may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.