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Globus Medical, Inc. (GMED)

Q4 2022 Earnings Call· Tue, Feb 21, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for standing by and welcome to Globus Medical’s Fourth Quarter and Full-Year 2022 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers’ presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I will now turn the call over to Senior Vice President of Business Development and Investor Relations, Brian Kearns. Please go ahead.

Brian Kearns

Analyst

Thank you, Latif and thank you, everyone for being with us today. Joining today’s call from Globus Medical will be Dan Scavilla, President and CEO; and Keith Pfeil, Chief Financial Officer. This review is being made available via webcast, accessible through the Investor Relations section of the Globus Medical website at www.globusmedical.com. Before we begin, let me remind you that some of the statements made during this review are or may be considered forward-looking statements. Our Form 10-K for the 2021 fiscal year, and our subsequent filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission identifies certain factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from those projected in any forward-looking statements made today. Our SEC filings, including the 10-K are available on our website. We do not undertake to update any forward-looking statements as a result of new information or future events or developments. Our discussion today will also include certain financial measures that are not calculated in accordance with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles or GAAP. We believe these non-GAAP financial measures provide additional information pertinent to our business performance. These non-GAAP financial measures should not be considered replacements for and should be read together with the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are available in the schedules accompanying the press release and on the Investor Relations section of the Globus Medical website. With that, I will now turn the call over to Dan Scavilla, our President and CEO.

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

Thanks, Brian, and good afternoon, everyone. Globus finished 2022 with a strong fourth quarter. Revenue for the year was a record $1.23 billion, crossing the $1 billion threshold for the first time. We delivered $65 million or 7% as reported and 8% constant currency growth for the full-year. This is above last year's difficult post-COVID comp, where we grew 21% for 2021. We achieved record sales, while maintaining industry leading profitability generating a record $2.06 in non-GAAP EPS and an adjusted EBITDA of 33% even as we continue to invest heavily in INR, trauma, competitive recruiting and absorb significant currency headwinds. We also launched seven new products in 2022, four of the launches occurred in the fourth quarter. Revenue for the quarter was $275 million, up 10% as reported or 12% in constant currency. Non-GAAP EPS was $0.59, up 20% versus prior year Q4. And adjusted EBITDA was 33%. U.S. Spine grew 10% in Q4 with notable gains across our product portfolio in expandables, biologics, MIS screws, 3D printed implants and cervical and lateral offerings. The gains were driven by competitive rep conversions and robotic pull through. We had a strong competitive recruiting year surpassing the hiring levels in 2020 and 2021. This is usually a leading indicator of growth in the coming years and we're excited about the potential of the team we've on boarded in 2022. In Q4, we launched our pro lateral patient positioning system as part of our focus on the continuum of care. It is an interactive adjustable bed mount that enables a single position, single stage, lateral surgical approach for direct and indirect decompression. Designed to maximize operational efficiencies, increase ease of implant placement and minimize surgeon fatigue. It integrates seamlessly with our ExcelsiusGPS and E3D solutions and enables significant capabilities in non-robotic procedures.…

Keith Pfeil

Analyst

Thank you, Dan, and thank you to everyone for joining us on today's call. Globus achieved a milestone in 2022, growing to over $1 billion in sales, despite strong currency headwinds and lingering COVID impacts earlier in the year. Full-year 2022 revenue was $1.023 billion, growing 6.8% as reported and 8.2% on a constant currency basis with the same number of selling days in 2022 and 2021. Currency impacts were unfavorable to revenue by $14 million in 2022. Net income was $190.2 million, resulting in fully diluted earnings per share of $1.85. Non-GAAP net income was $211.6 million, generating $2.06 of fully diluted non-GAAP earnings per share. 2022 adjusted EBITDA was 33.2%, and we generated $104.4 million of free cash flow for the full year. Q4 2022 revenue was $274.5 million, growing 9.8% as reported and 11.7% on a constant currency basis. Net income was $50.1 million and non-GAAP net income was $60.1 million. Q4 2022 fully diluted earnings per share was $0.49, while our fully diluted non-GAAP earnings per share was $0.59. Adjusted EBITDA was 32.8%, and we generated $45.6 million of free cash flow for the quarter. U.S. revenue in the fourth quarter of 2022 was $233.2 million, growing 9.5% as reported compared to the prior year quarter, led by growth in U.S. spine, biologics and trauma. International revenue for the fourth quarter was $41.3 million, growing 11.4% as reported and 24.2% on a constant currency basis, driven by increased INR and implant sales. Gross profit in the fourth quarter was 74.3% versus 75.3% in the prior year quarter and is consistent with expectations. The 100-basis point decline was driven primarily by product mix and higher freight costs partially offset by lower inventory reserves and depreciation expenses. Full-year 2022 gross profit was 74.2% compared to 75% in 2021.…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Shagun Singh of RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Shagun Singh

Analyst

Great, thank you so much and congratulations on exceeding $1 billion in sales. So I guess my first question is, I guess, we've all had some time to digest the deal, but just given the stock reaction, I'm wondering if you could comment on where you see the disconnect in your thinking versus investors on deal rationale financials and/or strategy? And one of the other things that's come up is, if you may, sweeten the deal, could you just talk about the flexibility and willingness to close the deal here? Any comments would be helpful. Thank you so much.

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

Thanks, Shagun. So just keep in mind as we did this and as we've talked about during our announcement, you're really looking at what we believe is a complementary global scale, the ability to expand customer reach with minimal overlap. We've talked about being able to develop a comprehensive and innovative portfolio in spine and orthopedics when we combine these out. And we remain committed to innovative product development and surgeon education. We're saying that the operational capabilities fit nicely together in this and actually can benefit us as a combined. And when you look at that and you combine us out the compelling upside of revenue and what even Keith mentioned with the EPS and accretion that's all out there for value opportunity, that's what we see. The disconnect, I can't say, I can't speak for Wall Street, they'll point to several unrelated deals and look at that, but that's okay. It's certainly they're proguative to do it. As for what we would do in a market and change in stock is something we wouldn't be in a position to actually comment on and with something we'll have to evaluate and see when that time comes.

Shagun Singh

Analyst

Got it. And just as a follow-up question. Can you just talk about the relative contribution from rep recruitment versus NPIs versus pull-through from Enabling Tech to U.S. implant sales? And then are you parsing out final implant and imaging sales for Q4? And thank you for taking the questions.

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

Thanks, Shagun, to be honest with you, I wouldn't have the ability to pull all those things apart and really tell you what they were. Again, since we're running the business as a whole. I think the fact that we've significantly outpaced the market with continued growth is probably more important as to the sum of the parts.

Shagun Singh

Analyst

Got it.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Matt Taylor of Jefferies. Your questions please, Matt.

Matt Taylor

Analyst

Great. Hi, thanks for taking the question. So I wanted to see if you could address more specifically, I think the main concern a lot of investors have is about the dissynergies, the turnover that you talked about. Can you talk a little bit about how you can mitigate that? And then also how you may be able to offset that with some of the revenue synergies that you discussed here and maybe the timing of this?

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

Thanks, Matt. So we won't go into too much detail. We're going to put together filings and different things in our proxy where you would certainly have access to that in the near future. What we're signaling, of course, is that like in any deal, we would expect to have some reasonable amount of dissynergies. And I think that anybody would want that in there as a prudent statement. So we've built that in that way, whether that be reps going to a competitor, account switching to just natural things that would occur. What Keith said and what I would stand by is, however, when we're able to get our hands on a cervical disc that's multilevel that they have, their lateral procedures, we can hand to them are expandables. We can open up a market for our enabling technology. All of those things will have actually offsets that we believe would occur over a couple of years. And I think we all strongly believe in this. So by combining the portfolios, combining the markets will come out stronger. And we'll see some short-term pain, but both pains are doing this for the long-term, not the current 12 months, but we're really looking to say, for multiyear, we're building a strong company.

Matt Taylor

Analyst

Maybe I could just ask 1 follow-up on the synergies. You seem very confident in that target that you laid out. Maybe just talk about how much of that stuff is you'd call it well identified or lower hanging fruit? And how much of it is harder to kind of pull apart and synergize in your plan?

Keith Pfeil

Analyst

Thanks for the question. Yes, we do feel good about achieving the $170 million in synergies. I would say that we're in the early stages of working with the teams to better understand the business. But as we look at our cost structure, versus their cost structure, we feel confident that we're able to achieve these savings when you look at the combined spending of both companies together.

Matt Taylor

Analyst

Great. Thank you, guys.

Keith Pfeil

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Matt Miksic of Barclays. Your line is open, Matt.

Matt Miksic

Analyst

Hui, it’s Matt Miksic. I wasn't quite referring to me after I look less name, but if you can hear me -- can you hear me okay?

Keith Pfeil

Analyst

Yes, we got you, Matt.

Matt Miksic

Analyst

Yes, a lot of Matt on these calls. So one just follow-up, if I could, on the synergies on Matt Taylor's comment, and then I have one on margins, if I could, so on the synergies -- can you talk about maybe what is not included in those? I mean there's a fair amount of complemenary products, robots and cervical disc replacement and the cervical portfolio at GMED that are potentially complementary in the sense of driving additional sales. Are those included if they are, I guess, what things have you and have you not included in that number? And then I have one follow-up.

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

Yes. Matt, so for clarity, I believe you're talking about sales synergies and dis-synergies. Is that right?

Matt Miksic

Analyst

Yes. Correct.

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

Okay. So separate from the overall cost savings with that. Again, we're not going to go into a lot of granular detail. I think what we're just saying is take a look at what NuVasive has is a strength where we can benefit, and we're saying, look, it's an opposite way for us, too. It's really that combination. We have some placeholders and some ideas that we're working through, but this is early stages, right? We really just announced a few days ago. And we've gone from being blind into ability to look at this with a little bit more clarity. We'll focus through it. I think what we're signaling is confidence that we have enough tools in our offering to offset sales dis-synergies? And then just kind of back to the question Matt had asked on actually costs synergies. Again, we have several areas to look at. We haven't fine-tuned those down by accounts certainly or anything like that or even department. We just realized that the abilities are there, and we're in the early stages of working through those.

Matt Miksic

Analyst

Got it. Okay. That's helpful. And then on margins going forward, obviously, you're looking for some EBITDA margin leverage this year. Can you talk about maybe some of the headwinds that you're facing to sort of keep you here in kind of the low end of the mid-30s range as far as we can tell us kind of where you're your $2.30 EPS number kind of puts you for this coming year based on the top line and how those kind of play out throughout the year, that would be helpful. Thanks.

Keith Pfeil

Analyst

Sure. Thanks for the question. So as you think about going into next year on a standalone basis, the EBITDA margin does come out on the lower end of the range. But when you think about some of the things we've done recently, we've really stepped up our investment in R&D spending, that's jumped out. We've invested a little bit more in Salesforce. That will show -- that should show fruits as we move forward. But I talked a little bit about product mix in the quarter and the full-year. Capital sales have a little bit of a headwind on overall profitability. But stepping back to that, we still feel that we're a mid-70s business. I mean if you look at this year, specifically 2022, the currency impact of $14 million was worth about 90 basis points to EBITDA. So when I look at that, I look at the business and I still see that we're healthy and we're driving the business forward. Places that we see inflation. Obviously, I've talked a lot about freight this year. I think in each quarter, we've seen freight tick up just from fuel prices across the rest of the P&L. I think it's fair to assume that you're seeing some inflation in travel. Last year in 2021, the travel grew sequentially as COVID starts to dissipate. But I think as you got to the -- really the Q4 and into this year, you saw inflation take hold as well, while people continue to travel. So it's absolutely some of the drivers that you're seeing in the increases there, which offset some of the leverage growth -- or the leverage benefit you might see in SG&A.

Matt Miksic

Analyst

Thanks, so much.

Keith Pfeil

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Vik Chopra of Wells Fargo. Your question, please, Vik.

Vik Chopra

Analyst

Hey good afternoon and thanks for taking the questions. So two for me. First, related to the deal, I know you've said there's limited customer overlap, but can you talk about where some of the product overlap is and which assets or categories you think you may have to divest? My second question is one of the large orthopedic competitors has talked about coming out with a spine robot application in 2024. Can you perhaps talk about the market and competitive landscape and whether you expect any impact in 2023 to your ability to continue to sell Excelsius systems?

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

Thanks, Vik. So I would just get through the second part of the question. We've always expected -- we've always talked about how we're one of the first to move on this and the market will actually grow over time and become naturally competitive. So you kind of asked the question, what do you do to stay relevant. We've been talking continuously about our development of the ecosystem of multiple things that all fit together. We've talked about our procedural applications from pre-op planning through to post-op data and feedback loops. All of those items were well ahead of the curve. We're pushing out. We're driving. That will not only keep us relevant but actually keep us as a leader here. And so listen, competition will come as natural. They're coming because of our success, and we're going to go continue to innovate spend. We've talked continuously about our investment in R&D and how that's a pull down because we're investing properly to build the strength for long-term gains here. That was the first part. And I apologize, can you bring up your first part of the question again on the deal itself?

Vik Chopra

Analyst

Yes, sure. Just on the divestiture, can you talk about where some of the product overlap is and which assets or categories you think you may have to potentially divest?

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

No, it's a great question. I would tell you that given our size, we're not anticipating any significant divestitures at this time. We're in the middle of all of this filing. So again, we've got the places in the hands of the government and wait. But we're not going in with any thought or concern that we're seeing right now that would trigger anything of significance.

Vik Chopra

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of David Saxon of Needham & Company. Please go ahead, David.

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

Hi, guys. This is Joseph on for David. Maybe just looking towards the upcoming new robot launch. Could you -- maybe talk about some of the strategy behind that? What are the initial accounts you're going to be targeting. You did talk about the expansion of the sales force, but maybe could you also talk about maybe pricing and feature set maybe relative to currently available robots? And then, if possible, could you quantify those commercial investments associated with the launch.

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

Thanks, Joseph. I wish I could, but we don't have all of that data just yet. So let me break your question into those chunks and go at them. I think accounts, certainly, we would have our eyes on ASCs and certainly hospitals. So I wouldn't say we're going to specialize in one or the other. We'll look to go at both with that type of approach. You are correct that our initial thought was capital reps and obviously, implant reps will require us to take steps in investments things that we've built into our projections. But again, if you know us, we don't go out and have a big bang. We use concentric circles where hire a group stabilize and get it going, moving, we'll pay for them and go on and on, just as we've done in the past. So I wouldn't signal that there's a major drop or an anticipated investment that takes us off of our curve that way. And finally, with pricing, I would just tell you, we'll price at the market appropriately. We recognize there's competition out there. We feel like we've got a viable solution that will add value to doctors. And like I said, depending on what the market bears, we're in a position to actually do that.

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

Okay. Great. Yes, that makes sense. And then maybe could you maybe just give a quick update on the commercial team out in Japan if things have maybe stabilized there, there's still more wood to chop?

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

Yes. I would tell you that it's in the stabilization phase, it's probably about a quarter behind where I would have wanted it to be. But what we're seeing right now is that is settling down into where I think it's actually at the point where we should expect to see some building up of it in the first half of this year.

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you for taking our questions and congrats on the quarter.

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Steven Lichtman of Oppenheimer. Please go ahead, Steve.

Steve Lichtman

Analyst

Thank you. Good evening, guys. Looking at it to the 2023 sales guidance, wondering if you can provide any color on components of growth, U.S. versus U.S. Spine, Emerging Tech, incremental Trauma. Any color there?

Keith Pfeil

Analyst

Great question. Thanks for it. We typically don't break out the parts and pieces. But when I step back and look at the year that we're going into, I think we still feel very bullish about our U.S. Spine business and its ability to grow. I think we came off a strong quarter between that Biologics and Trauma in the U.S., Enabling Tech. I see that continuing to grow, cognizant that we're entering into a recession. However, one of the things that we see happening is greater sales of those units internationally. So that's something that we feel good about going into next year. But that's about as much detail as give in terms of bringing out the guidance.

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

Steve, one thing I'd add to that, which I'm pleased with is we're not dependent upon one or two of these. It really seems like we're projecting forward as we've performed in the past. And while we'll never get each one of these exactly right, we have enough levers here that I feel strongly that we can get into this and achieve it.

Steve Lichtman

Analyst

Got it. Okay. And then just secondly, as you look ahead here near term, is there anything you feel you need to do to help retain reps and prevent any coaching ahead of the deal closing? Or just overall sort of what you think the sort of the tenor of the group in the last couple of three weeks here?

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

It's a great question. And look, it's human nature in the state of change to have some discomfort. So the best thing to do is communicate because we don't need to beg here with this. Keep in mind that we, as Globus and what we intend to do is the bigger company, is pay strongly for our reps, and we've been doing that historically without change unlike other companies. So we're going to maintain that. At the same time, we have discussed in person with the field team our portfolio to understand the strengths that we're about to give them on the NuVasive side, and they've actually are in the process of doing the same for us on the Globus side with that. So we're talking about strong compensation, arguably the strongest offering for products in the spine market with that. And then our Enabling Technology, along with the Pulse system can really become a powerful tool, and I think everybody can see that. And then, of course, we're always looking at what near term, yet future innovation can be to significantly tie these together through that ecosystem. When we offer that up with people, it's a tough thing to compete against and a rep that is long-term focused and wise can recognize that within 12 months, they're going to have at their fingertips the most powerful offering in the industry.

Steve Lichtman

Analyst

Got it. Thanks, Dan.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Matthew O'Brien of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead, Matthew.

Matthew O'Brien

Analyst

Hey, I kind of broke up, you say Matthew O'Brien?

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

He did.

Matthew O'Brien

Analyst

Okay. Fantastic. Thanks for taking my questions. So I guess, Dan, can you or Keith actually just talked about the timing of the NuVa vote from the shareholders. And then it is a take under at this point. It's about 5% lower stock prices versus where it was traded before the announcement. So how are you going to talk those investors into voting for this transaction between you and Chris? And are you so committed to this deal that you would offer up a sweetener, be it more stock or even cash, if need be, to make sure this gets done? And I do have one more follow-up.

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

Thanks, Matt. So a lot of questions there. I would tell you that we're not going to be in a position yet to comment on what it is we're going to do. Certainly, we're going to talk to investors show them why this deal makes sense, show them the math to get them lined up with this and understand that this is a long-term gain that will create a significant acceleration versus if we stay as stand-alone. So I think it's probably the biggest thing with it. But to talk about any other steps at this point would be premature. So I'll refrain from that.

Matthew O'Brien

Analyst

Okay. But Dan, the -- when we hear middle of the year closing, you think, all right, June 30, so the vote would be sometime before then. I mean, is the next few months where we could see the vote?

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

Sorry, I did leave that off. I wasn't avoiding that with that. Really, what we need to do right now is create the joint proxy first and then get the vote. We're in the process of compiling that, as I said in my statements, look, I don't have an exact date where we'll say that's done, but it's obviously the priority right now is to get the HSR filing in, get that working, get to joint proxy going so we can get this in motion.

Matthew O'Brien

Analyst

Okay. And then the follow-up, Dan, is again more of a strategic question because I think part of the reaction in the stock was kind of the adjustment to the strategic direction of the business that I think most were anticipating, because you are kind of more diversifying away from spine now you are doubling down more. Is this part of a bigger push for the company longer term, double down on spine, get big there, get a lot of cash flow and then invest in other areas of Ortho to become a much bigger entity in this space? Thanks.

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

Thanks, Matt. Again, a really good question. So it's always -- it's obviously interesting from the seat for years. For eight years, investors have asked what are you going to do? How are you going to make an acquisition? What are you going to do? We've made an acquisition and folks are sort of stepping back by it. But the fact is we've been patient, we've looked, we've analyzed, we decided this is the right time to do it. We've looked through multiple scenarios throughout our portfolio and really came back to this being the strongest opportunity now to go do this. And what you touched on is exactly right, the combined company will be stronger than the individuals, and our cash flow itself, when we combine, will be significant, which will allow us then to move on to other larger acquisitions over time. Doesn't mean that we've just shifted and won't create innovation and launch organically. We're just saying we want to use the financial strength to our benefit as well as our engineering prowess.

Matthew O'Brien

Analyst

Got it. Makes a lot of sense. Thanks so much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Craig Bijou of Bank of America. Please go ahead, Craig.

Craig Bijou

Analyst

Thanks, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. I wanted to focus on Enabling Tech here. And -- it did come in a little bit lower than the Street was expecting. I know you guys had a record quarter. And you guys have talked about the strength internationally -- so maybe kind of wanted to parse out U.S. versus OUS trends in with Enabling Tech. And then you really see kind of what you see in your funnel? And has anything changed over the last three months or so since the last quarter with the funnel, either U.S. or OUS.

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Craig. I will use my first -- I'm not sure I would apologize for delivering 20% growth in a recession and a challenging market. I think that's a very strong performance that was done by the team. And so I'll stay by that one. Certainly, last year 2021, you had a lot of sales robotically in the U.S., because of pent-up demand, a lot of activity along with COVID. And while I say we came close to that this year. The international has, I think, recovered economically a little bit better than the U.S. in some of these concerns. So what we're signaling is we've seen some great placements internationally that kind of put us back into a strong spot overall that way robotically. And as we've said, we've also put out the imaging system. Really U.S. right now with where that is and what we're doing with that and just continuing to take advantage of that market.

Craig Bijou

Analyst

Got it. And just following up, I'll stick on Enabling Tech. But Keith made the comment about looking at into a recession in response to one of the previous questions. But your view on ’23, you still feel like there's a strong hospital appetite for capital, and you don't see any concerns or any changes in either the thinking or the actions of hospitals?

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

I would say it's a little too soon for us to call. I mean, certainly, even getting all through COVID and into last year, we've seen behavioral changes and concerns and shorting of staff that they have to divert funds otherwise, all things like that, that have been a ripple through this. So I don't know if we had a chance to look for really the last two to three years at a steady state and understand what's normal and now, we're in the face of a recession. So difficult to call. Again, what I would tell you is we've placed out stand-alone guidance. And in that, we have fairly strong numbers that we feel we can achieve, recognizing that there may be some pressure on the Enabling Tech. But again, there's enough levers throughout our overall portfolio, we feel confident we can achieve those numbers.

Keith Pfeil

Analyst

And the only comment I would add to Dan, to what Dan stated, if you step back and look at Enabling Tech, going back to 2018, that business delivered $47 million in sales in '18. It delivered $47 million in '19. We went through COVID, and we delivered $41 million. And last year, we delivered 81 to finish this year at 96. So the business has really grown. Obviously, there's always issues that we're going to be faced with. But at the end of the day, we're going to really work to get through them and really get our capital in the hands of our customers.

Craig Bijou

Analyst

Got it. Thanks for taking the questions, guys.

Keith Pfeil

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kyle Rose of Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead, Kyle. Kyle Rose, your line is open.

Kyle Rose

Analyst

Sorry, I didn't hear my name there. Thank you for taking the questions. I want to talk a little bit about top line guidance. You outlined some expectations for the usual sales dis-synergies once the deal closes. I'm just wondering how you're thinking about the first half of the year pre-deal close. Any sort of people taking the eye off the ball, maybe guidance contemplate some of that on a stand-alone basis? And then there's potential upside there if that doesn't play out. Any insights you can provide there would be helpful. And then secondarily, on new products, you're still talking about the total joint application from a robotics perspective. But in the past, you've detailed maybe some product gaps or need to improve the underlying implant systems in total joints. Is it fair to expect that we should see some of those new product launches come along ahead of the robotics launch?

Keith Pfeil

Analyst

Right. Thanks for the question. I'll take the first part and hand the second part over to Dan. So as it relates to guidance, stand-alone guidance and looking at 2023, I don't see or we don't see anybody taking their eye off the ball. We're happy with what we've seen thus far in the quarter. Sales are -- meeting expectations. So I don't see anyone taking their eye off the ball. It is -- we are running a business, and we're moving the business forward as we intended prior to deal announcement.

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

What I would say on your second question is we will launch out our robot that will have a knee application. We're working on other applications now. I would not think that you're going to see them come out before the knee application would be my initial thoughts. So I think we'll start out with the real migrate and hip as we said, and then we have the ability to move into other applications over time that way.

Kyle Rose

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mathew Blackman of Stifel. Your question please, Mathew.

Mathew Blackman

Analyst

Hi, it’s Matt Blackman from Stifel. Thank you for taking my question. Just one, just thinking about the inputs you put into your deal model revenue dissynergies, synergies do you think there's the most flex or maybe better said, where is the most opportunity and perhaps the most risk as you think about those different inputs?

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

Yes, it's a great question, a little bit of a teasing question. We probably don't want to answer. But what I would tell you is I feel like we were aggressive in what we think the dissynergies would be and light in what we think the synergies will be. We're conservative group by nature, if you know us, and so I do think that we might be able to retain better than we've planned in dissynergies. And I think that we could probably beat if we have the right focus on our synergies within those sales areas, but not product specific, just in general.

Mathew Blackman

Analyst

Alright, appreciate it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Richard Newitter of Truist. Please go ahead, Richard.

Richard Newitter

Analyst

Hi, thanks for taking the questions. Two for me. Just on the deal, you mentioned minimal customer overlap. I was hoping you could elaborate on what the threshold was for defining minimal overlap per surgeon between the 2 companies. I'm essentially just trying to gauge whether a surgeon that you consider not to be overlapped will that necessarily translate into minimal disruption in the region, especially in the way that territories are going to be grown because you still need to split those territories. So I was just hoping you could maybe elaborate a little bit on that.

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

Yes, Rich, I'll do that in a certain way. There's not a lot I can reveal right now with where we're going on this, but I will give you what I think we can do along these lines. So during the diligence, of course, all of this data was blinded and it was done by bankers, not us. And we traced it down to a surgeon level as the most logical way to go. And what we found is -- we had the vast majority as complementary. And what the definition of the complementary is that someone may either have 100%, 80%, 75% of a surgeon by themselves. And it was kind of after that, maybe if you're 50-50 or less, that would be the overlap. And so what we found is kind of -- I can't really reveal this, but I would say extremely high in the 90s of the ability to match up. Now as we unblind that, perhaps we see it differently. We adjust, we look and go. But even with a surgeon overlap, very well could be that the surgeon is using NuVasive's pedicle screws in our interbody or vice versa. So it may not be a product conflict. The thought being that even along those lines, where that is the case, we can decide between those reps, what's best. Does one keep the surgeon? Do they both keep it that way? Our goal is to maintain all of the reps. We have enough space, enough growth, enough opportunity to do this. So it's not really about a rep rationalization. And what we're signaling out to the market is we believe that this is a very favorable thing for the deal that will minimize disruption.

Richard Newitter

Analyst

Got it. And then just -- I think you had referenced a new augmented reality headset product launch in 2023 on your last conference call. Just curious if that's still on track and what the timing might be there.

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

I'm speaking to you through it right now, Rich. No, kidding. No, listen, it's on track. I think that, again, you can never say for sure what's going on with the FDA in the filings. But I would tell you that we signaled that with the thought that it would be out towards the latter part of this year. And by no means will we take our eye off that ball. It's going to be a great player for us to get out and continue to differentiate with this type of approach. So it's one of the top priorities.

Richard Newitter

Analyst

Okay. And anything in there from a guidance standpoint baked in?

Dan Scavilla

Analyst

Well, you know how we always answer that, right? So in total, we feel good. It's one of the levers that we'll look at, but it's something that would not take us off our ability to achieve our numbers, whether it came to market or did not.

Richard Newitter

Analyst

Great. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Drew Ranieri of Morgan Stanley. Your question please, Drew.

Drew Ranieri

Analyst

Hi, thanks for taking the question. Just one on international. I think in your prepared comments, you said international ex-Japan was up 20% year-over-year. Can you maybe give us a little bit more detail about the all-in number with Japan. And then just comment on any kind of key moving drivers there in the international market. It seemed like from the acquisition call you were putting a lot of emphasis on the global reach of the two companies. So any more detail that you could share there would be great.

Keith Pfeil

Analyst

Thanks for the question. So as we look at international, the Japan sales were down. There's obviously some currency impacts in there as well. But what we really saw as we got to the back end of the quarter is touches on the stabilization that Dan commented on earlier. But as we get into 2023, we expect to start to see this business to move forward and grow.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. With no further questions, this concludes the Globus Medical Fourth Quarter and Full-Year 2022 Analyst Call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.