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Gentex Corporation (GNTX)

Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Wed, Oct 21, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Please standby. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Gentex Third Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. And I'd now like to turn the meeting over to Mr. Josh O'Berski, with Gentex's Investor Relations Manager. Please go ahead, sir. Josh O'Berski - Head-Investor & Media Relations: Good morning and welcome to the Gentex Corporation Third Quarter 2015 Earnings Release Conference Call. I'm Josh O'Berski, Gentex Investor Relations Manager, and I'm joined by Steve Downing, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Kevin Nash, Vice President and Chief Accounting Officer; and Neil Boehm, Vice President of Engineering. This call is live on the Internet by way of an icon on the Gentex website at www.gentex.com. All contents of this conference call are the property of Gentex Corporation and may not be copied, published, reproduced, rebroadcast, retransmitted, transcribed, or otherwise redistributed. Gentex Corporation will hold responsible and liable any party for any damages incurred by Gentex Corporation with respect to any unauthorized use of the contents of this conference call. This conference call contains forward-looking information within the meaning of the Gentex's Safe Harbor statement included in the Gentex Reports Third Quarter 2015 Financial Results and Additional Share Repurchase Authorization press release from earlier this morning, and as always, shown on the Gentex website. Your participation in this conference call implies consent to these terms. Now, I will turn the call over to Steve Downing, who will give the third quarter 2015 financial summary. Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: Thank you, Josh. For the third quarter of 2015, the company is pleased to report net sales of $389.8 million, which was an 11% increase compared to net sales of $350.9 million in the third quarter of 2014. On a quarter-over-quarter…

Kevin C. Nash - Chief Accounting Officer and Vice President of Accounting

Management

Thanks, Steve. Automotive net sales in the third quarter of 2015 were $379.9 million, an increase of 11% compared with automotive net sales of $341.8 million in the third quarter of 2014, primarily due to a 15% increase in auto-dimming mirror unit shipments quarter-over-quarter. Other net sales, which included dimmable aircraft windows and fire protection products, were $9.9 million, an increase of 9% in the third quarter compared with $9.1 million in the third quarter of 2014. ER&D expenses in the third quarter were $21.5 million, which was a 1% decrease versus $21.7 million in the third quarter of 2014 as a result of increased staffing and benefits, which were offset by reimbursables and foreign currency fluctuations. SG&A expenses during the third quarter were $14.1 million, which was a 3% increase versus $13.7 million during the third quarter of 2014. Increased marketing and advertising was also offset by favorable foreign currency fluctuations. The tax rate during the third quarter was 32.5%, which varied from the statutory rate of 35%, primarily due to domestic manufacturing deduction. The tax rate increased from the third quarter of 2014, which was 30.4%, primarily as a result of incremental research and development tax credit for calendar year 2013 of $1.8 million that was recognized during the third quarter of 2014. Excluding the impact of the incremental credit in 2014, the tax rate would have been 32.2% during the third quarter of 2014. Based on the company's forecast and current legislation, the company continues to expect its tax rate to be approximately 31.5% to 32% for the calendar year 2015. Now, for some balance sheet items. Cash and cash equivalents were $564.5 million, up from $497.4 million as of December 31, 2014, primarily due to cash flow from operations. Accounts receivable was $208.2 million, up from…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And we'll take the first question today from David Leiker with Baird. Please go ahead. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. (Broker): Good morning, everyone.

Kevin C. Nash - Chief Accounting Officer and Vice President of Accounting

Management

Hey, David. Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: Good morning, David. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. (Broker): First of all, thanks for the additional detail in terms of the launches. You gave – I think the number you gave for 2015 was a year-to-date number. Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: That's correct. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. (Broker): Do you have any sense where that number might end up at the end of the year, calendar year? Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: I don't have it with me. Yeah, we do have it. We would expect it to be not quite as high as it is year-to-date on the run rate, just because the end of the year tends to have fewer launches, but there are some incremental launches in the fourth quarter. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. (Broker): Okay. And then, as you look at what your bookings are, what do you think – either two ways, what do you think the pace of those launches are in 2016, 2017 or looking at it another way, you're growing your revenues right now about 10% organically faster than what global vehicle production is growing. How far out do you think that rate of growth is sustainable? Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: What we've talked about before is that we looked out over the next couple of years, we continue to see that kind of high-single to low-double-digit growth rate for the company. And if we compare that to what we see from a production standpoint, 2016 production data for our primary markets doesn't – it…

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Rich Kwas with Wells Fargo.

Rich M. Kwas - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Management

Hi. Good morning, everyone. Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: Good morning, Rich.

Kevin C. Nash - Chief Accounting Officer and Vice President of Accounting

Management

Good morning, Rich.

Rich M. Kwas - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Management

So in terms of the – just the outlook for the balance of the year, VW, looks like there's been some cuts here to fourth quarter production in Europe. So is that part of the adjustment, at least, at the top end, or is that meaningful at all to the... Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: No. Really, the majority of the adjustment for the end of the year was just based on Q3 actuals.

Rich M. Kwas - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Management

Okay. All right. So no real – there's no real change on VW in terms of materiality for the balance of the year? Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: No, not at all. And one of the things we were trying to comment in our prepared remarks was when you look at overall global demand, and we see what – when we see what our releases look like for that customer in particular, we don't see anything that looks like it's changing in the near term. And we don't expect anything in the long term to change strategically about how they're positioned or how we're positioned with the other OEMs.

Rich M. Kwas - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Management

Okay. All right. And then ER&D and SG&A, so the growth numbers, at least, year-over-year, very modest, as we think about modeling out longer term, I think you've targeted those growth rates to be kind of relatively consistent with your sales growth. Do we – with the benefits on FX this year in terms of helping on the cost side, do we look at that next year as potential reversion of the mean where you get greater than normal increase on those line items next year or is – how should we think about that?

Kevin C. Nash - Chief Accounting Officer and Vice President of Accounting

Management

Yeah, I think we're continuing to invest in staffing and people to support our product launches. But yeah, on a same-for-same basis, if the currency rates stay consistent, we would expect to get closer to that sales growth rate at least on the ER&D side and most likely also on the SG&A side.

Rich M. Kwas - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Management

Okay. And then, Steve, in terms of the launches, in terms of the full display rearview mirror, how do we think about that over the next couple of years in terms of the cadence? I know you've discussed with GM, there's more programs and kind of alluded to other opportunities. But how does that play out and how do we think about frameless in the context of trying to model outgrowth versus underlying production over the next two years or so? Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: Sure. Well, full display mirror, it's going to be a fairly modest impact to revenue in 2015 – in Q4 2015 and then 2016, really start to see the cadence in increase or the importance of the revenue from that product start to improve in 2017 and really in 2018 gets – it starts to become significant to the company. In terms of frameless, that's a different story. We've already pretty heavily into rollouts and executions of frameless technology. And really over the next three years, we would estimate that probably 25% to 30% of our mirrors will convert to some type of frameless in the next three years to four years. So, that one – and based on the kind of price points we've discussed previously regarding frameless, you can get a pretty good idea of what impact that'll have over the next few years.

Rich M. Kwas - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Management

Okay. And then last one in terms of gross margin for the quarter, any launch cost headwind for this quarter? I know you had in the first half. Was that pretty much done in the third quarter? Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: Yeah, it was minimal. With our leveraging of our fixed overhead costs, that pretty much covered up any inefficiencies we had. But they are minimizing throughout the years. The teams continue to focus on it.

Rich M. Kwas - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Management

Okay. Great. I'll pass it on. Thanks so much.

Operator

Operator

Next is John Murphy with Bank of America.

Kevin C. Nash - Chief Accounting Officer and Vice President of Accounting

Management

John.

Aileen Smith - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Management

Good morning, guys. This is actually Aileen Smith on for John. Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: Hi, Aileen.

Aileen Smith - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Management

How is it going? So, I – first question being, if we look at revenue premier in the third quarter, it was down again on a year-over-year basis. And I think this is pretty similar to some of the prior quarters we've seen excluding last quarter in 2Q. As we look ahead, are there any levers that you can pull to slow or potentially reverse the revenue premier erosion to some degree? Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: Well, one of the things we like to talk about, this is why a couple of years ago we started not focusing on this as a statistic. And the reason for that was because, if you look at the orders, you'll see that outside mirrors outpaced inside mirrors in terms of growth rate, almost double. And so when you look at the price points of those, outside mirrors are always going to be far less than inside mirrors. And so it's a great business. It's a great margin profile product. However, it is well below the ASP of the company, currently. And so that is really what's creating the negative on the ASP side. It's not a negative for the business, in fact, quite the opposite. And that's why we try to look at more of a content-type equation than an ASP conversation, because it's not really indicative of the success or health of the business.

Aileen Smith - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Management

Okay. Yeah, that's very helpful to understand that. The second question we are sort of thinking of in light of the news that some of the major auto makers are going to start making automatic breaking technology a standard feature in their vehicles. Can you just talk a little bit about what potential opportunities might be for Gentex in that type of scenario. Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: Sure. So one of the things we like to discuss is, really, in terms of AAB, (00:24:22) it's not in the core of what we're focused on in terms of our driver assist technology. It doesn't mean we're not capable of doing it, per se, but we believe that, strategically, longer term, that's going to be a better fit for other suppliers, primarily suppliers who supply breaking systems for instance or steering systems, or suppliers that are going to be able to bring a full system to bear on the marketplace that we won't have or won't be able to offer. Like I said, it's not a core product of ours or what we're focused on the forward-facing camera side. It doesn't mean we're not capable, it just means, strategically, we don't want to invest in that area if we feel like, longer term, it's not going to be – we're not going to be able to be a dominant player in the space.

Aileen Smith - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Management

Okay. Great. Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: That being...

Aileen Smith - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Management

And... Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: All that being said though, one thing that is exciting is, there is a lot of interest in alternative technologies. Because the announcement from OEMs is interesting as they said they want to have it as a standard feature or, at least, be available as a standard feature. And so we got to be careful with the wording that we assume. Standard means that it's on every car versus just available on every car.

Aileen Smith - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Management

Okay. Got it. It's great. And then the final question, if we look at R&D as a percent of sales, it's been going down pretty significantly from quarter-to-quarter and even year-to-year. How do we – how should we think about that going forward? I mean, why is that trending down and should we expect that to continue?

Kevin C. Nash - Chief Accounting Officer and Vice President of Accounting

Management

Specifically, on the quarter or year-over-year perspective, a lot of our engineers sit in our foreign offices, we have a significant amount there. So, the costs are denominated in euro. So, you're seeing some benefits there. And specifically, within the quarter, we had some reimbursable projects that we closed out that would have – that helped that. And on last year's, we didn't. So, that's more of a commercial business item. So, going forward, we continue to add head count to support launches that are going on right now in development. So, we would continue to estimate that, on a going-forward basis, we're going to be in that – just at or just below the growth in the sales on the R&D side.

Aileen Smith - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Management

Okay. Great. That's very helpful. Thank you very much. I'll pass it along. Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We'll now go to Ryan Brinkman with JPMorgan.

Samik X. Chatterjee - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Management

Hi. This is Samik on for Ryan Brinkman. The first question I had was primarily on gross margins looking into 4Q and related to 3Q when I think (00:26:46) probably would likely benefit from – sequentially from higher cost reductions. And hence, I was thinking like if you are sort of looking at sequentially where the margin is going into 4Q, is that a fair statement? And then, does that allow you to have the high end of your guidance or range for the full year on gross margins? Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: Well, really, if you look at Q3 is the first quarter of the year where we get the full benefit of cost reductions from the supply base. So, we wouldn't expect that to be a positive influence on Q4 at all. Really, we're looking at Q4 as probably roughly in line with what we performed in Q3 would probably be a good indicator of what we're expecting for fourth quarter.

Samik X. Chatterjee - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Management

Okay. Great. Then, on shipments in North America, your dealer mirror shipments were up 9%, whereas production was up 5%. So, if you can help me sort of split that up between how much of that was just getting your mirrors on new platforms and having new launches versus are you seeing more – higher take rates on your current platforms that you're on? Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: Yeah. I mean, if you look at it, it's probably roughly split in half there, I mean, we probably – of the 5% increase in production, we probably picked up half of those and we got volume out of that increase. But the rest of it is kind of more organic growth in terms of penetration on the new vehicles or higher take rates on existing vehicles?

Samik X. Chatterjee - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Management

Okay. Got it. The last question on the driver-assist products, if you can just go back to that. What is – if you can give us an update of what's sort of your bidding activity looking like there and your current association with Mobileye. Are you still working in collaboration with them, because I think, there was some talk that they might not look now to work with competitors. So, are you still bidding for – sell those products as the lower end product with Mobileye supplying the higher-end products, does that still an ongoing (00:28:49)? Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: Yes. So Ford, Jaguar and Land Rover, we continue to work with Mobileye. And really over the next two to three years, that business will continue to grow with those OEMs where we're the driver-assist supplier of the Mobileye product. Below that, on all those OEMs, we still supply our SmartBeam system as kind of the lower-end option for those same vehicles. And on a go-forward basis, though, we've chosen not to work with Mobileye on new launches at other OEMs, primarily due to the fact that we wanted to invest in our own technology and try to advance that in the marketplace. So, we continue to see interest, like we mentioned, in Japan market, as an example, for successes of our SmartBeam product to start to penetrate a new market in the lower-segment markets that haven't used forward-facing cameras historically.

Samik X. Chatterjee - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Management

Great. Thank you. Thanks for taking my questions. Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And at this time, there's one name remaining in the roster. And we'll now go Jason Rodgers with Great Lakes Review. Please go ahead.

Jason A. Rodgers - Great Lakes Review

Management

Hello, guys.

Kevin C. Nash - Chief Accounting Officer and Vice President of Accounting

Management

Hi, Jason.

Jason A. Rodgers - Great Lakes Review

Management

Would you give us what the foreign currency impact on operating profit was for the quarter? Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: About $0.5 million in the total expenses. So, a little over 1%.

Jason A. Rodgers - Great Lakes Review

Management

All right. And I don't know if you gave this out, but the realized gains on the sales equity investments in the quarter and whatever unrealized gains remaining.

Kevin C. Nash - Chief Accounting Officer and Vice President of Accounting

Management

Yeah. There's about $875,000 of unrealized gains as of September 30 and then the realized gains are about $2 million for the quarter.

Jason A. Rodgers - Great Lakes Review

Management

And the share repurchase in the quarter, would you give the total amount spent or the average price paid?

Kevin C. Nash - Chief Accounting Officer and Vice President of Accounting

Management

The average price was $50.99 for the quarter.

Jason A. Rodgers - Great Lakes Review

Management

Okay. And finally, looking at the full-display mirror, you talked about your revenue over the next few years. Is that based on multiple OEMs that have already committed to the full-display mirror or is it more a function of you're still selling to the OEMs and you expect some to commit? Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: It's a function of two things. One of them is the already announced OEMs who's good at buying the product and what their rollout plans look like. And then secondly, as the addition of more OEMs who are going to buying that product over the next several years.

Jason A. Rodgers - Great Lakes Review

Management

And finally looking at SmartBeam, the additional products, lane departure, graphic sign recognition, and so forth, when would – should we expect those to be available? Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: Well, from our perspective, I mean, we have some of the features developed and ready to go. It's a function of when an OEM wants to add this to a product mix and we have this opportunity to launch that product and validate it on their vehicle. And so typically, you're talking two year to three year out development window before you'll see something like that either in the marketplace or on the road. And so that's kind of a realistic time period of when you would expect to see that type of product hit (32:06) the market.

Jason A. Rodgers - Great Lakes Review

Management

Thank you. Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: Thanks, Jason.

Operator

Operator

We'll now go to David Leiker with Baird. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. (Broker): Hey. I just want to follow up on that last question. If we look at your ADAS capability, have you booked any new business using your proprietary capabilities? Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: So, define – I mean, like we announced – we continue to have SmartBeam awards and SmartBeam products continue to merge closer to this type of products you're referring to. In other words, we're constantly adding technology and ability to that system that becomes very similar to what you're describing as some of the traditional or publicly defined ADAS-type feature suite. So it's not a line – it's not a "line in the sand." It's kind of – it's a merger of technologies more than anything. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. (Broker): Yeah. I think everything you've booked so far though using your – using SmartBeam is headlamp control. Have you gone – have you booked any feature sets beyond headlamp control using SmartBeam? Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: Well, that's the primary function that we're selling, but... David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. (Broker): Right. Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: ...several of those, when we talk about like the new gen camera that we launched with certain OEMs. It has lane detection capability inside of those and we're doing that to help assist with the headlamp control but also providing that information to the vehicle. So, that's why I'm saying it's not hard line saying, hey, we were technically like doing LDW or lane-keep assist, but we are doing those functionalities and provide…

Kevin C. Nash - Chief Accounting Officer and Vice President of Accounting

Management

Yeah, approximately 15% to 20% on the top end probably of where our current production is. Depending on the product mix obviously. Certain stuff has more complexities than others. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. (Broker): And those are all for contracts that you have booked already, right, correct?

Kevin C. Nash - Chief Accounting Officer and Vice President of Accounting

Management

Yes. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. (Broker): I'm just saying you're putting that capacity in for contracts you have; you're not building excess capacity?

Kevin C. Nash - Chief Accounting Officer and Vice President of Accounting

Management

Yes. We stopped doing the field of dreams (00:35:29) model a few years ago, so, yeah. Needless to say, (00:35:33) forecasting growth. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. (Broker): Okay. Perfect. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

And next is Christopher Van Horn with FBR Capital Markets. Christopher Van Horn - FBR Capital Markets & Co.: Hey. Thanks, guys. Thanks for taking my call.

Kevin C. Nash - Chief Accounting Officer and Vice President of Accounting

Management

Hi, Chris. Christopher Van Horn - FBR Capital Markets & Co.: Just a quick question on the balance sheet. You've got solid cash flow and then a good cash balance. Could you give us some perspective of – and obviously, announced the additional buyback today – but could you give us perspective over the next kind of 12 months to 18 months, what you're thinking about in terms of use of cash? Are we going to see more debt paydown? Are buybacks still on the table, dividend shifting, just kind of your priorities there? Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: Sure. So if you look at – first and foremost, I mean, we have a very good history of moving our dividend in line with earnings. And so, our plan is to try to continue that process of moving our dividend payout roughly in line with earnings and so that's one of the primary focus. The second one is obviously on share repurchases and just being consistent with what we're doing there and taking the opportunities when the price we believe is undervalued to make sure we're picking up extra shares at those times like what we did in the last quarter. And then thirdly, we take those two – the first two as a priority and then the third option is if we produce extra cash flow off the business and we've accomplished our other two goals, then we will look at the opportunity to pay down the debt above the current pay-off rates. Christopher Van Horn - FBR Capital Markets & Co.: Got it. Okay. And then, just one follow-up. So are you – is your product set moving to a point where, and I know this would be kind of against the industry standard, but were some of these products can almost be bolt-ons to existing infrastructure? Are we still in the – is it still more than the industry standard where you're going to have to get designed in? Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: You have to get design in us. Now, the good news is a lot of OEMs have gone to more common architectures and that helps us with when you create a new feature, you have a new product design. It enables you to roll that across multiple vehicles quicker. But for the most part, you still are a design – a build in, in a two to four-year out kind of design cycle to get a new product onto a vehicle. Christopher Van Horn - FBR Capital Markets & Co.: Okay. Great. Thanks for taking my call. Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: I appreciate it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we'll go back to Rich Kwas with Wells Fargo.

Rich M. Kwas - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Management

Hi. Two follow-up questions. So, on the ADAS piece, just a question, is the functionality comparable that – if I recall several years ago, SmartBeam, it took a while for the functionality to get engineered into a vehicle. But then the RCD product, there was a lot less engineering. So you could kind of do it or you could do it more quickly. So, how do we think about the other content as it relates to the ADAS functionality with lane departure, et cetera? Can that be engineered quickly into SmartBeam for like a next model year or what type of work has to be done on that from your end with the OEM? Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: Yeah. Anything on the software side as it relates to either SmartBeam or even as it merges into the driver-assist suite, those are longer term development. So typically, you're in that kind of two- to four-year out window. Because it's not just for us getting it ready, it's also them validating the vehicle and that's a lot of drive collection data we have to do to verify that the performance is what the OEM expects and also what we expect out of the system.

Rich M. Kwas - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Management

Okay. All right. And then second question on the next generation 777. Any update there in terms of opportunity and where it's positioned for future business with Boeing or others? Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: We're still very active trying to find that next major program with an OEM. So we believe there's a lot of interest in the aerospace industry for this type of product, and we're looking for that next opportunity. I wouldn't limit it to any one program at this standpoint. I mean, literally, we're looking at the major OEMs in trying to find the right business case and the right interest level from those builders to make sure we have, A, the right customer, but, B, a program that justifies the development because it's a lot of work to get these products to market.

Rich M. Kwas - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Management

Okay. All right. Thank you. Steve R. Downing - Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer & Senior VP: Thanks, Rich.

Operator

Operator

And as there are no other questions at this time, I'd like to turn it back to Josh O'Berski for any additional or closing remarks. Josh O'Berski - Head-Investor & Media Relations: Thank you for your time, everyone, and thank you for all the great questions. Have a great day.