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The Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company (GT)

Q2 2017 Earnings Call· Fri, Jul 28, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Keith and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Goodyear’s Second Quarter 2017 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. I would now like to hand the program over to Christina Zamarro, Goodyear’s Vice President, Investor Relations.

Christina Zamarro

Analyst

Thank you, Keith, and thank you everyone for joining us for Goodyear’s second quarter 2017 earnings call. Joining me today are Rich Kramer, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and Laura Thompson, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we get started, there are a few items we need to cover. To begin, the supporting slide presentation for today’s call can be found on our website at investor.goodyear.com, and a replay of this call will be available later today. Replay instructions were included in our earnings release issued earlier this morning. If I could now draw your attention to the Safe Harbor statement on Slide 2, I would like to remind participants on today’s call that our presentation includes some forward-looking statements about Goodyear’s future performance. Actual results could differ materially from those suggested by our comments today. The most significant factors that could affect future results are outlined in Goodyear’s filings with the SEC and in our earnings release. The company disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. Our financial results are presented on a GAAP basis and, in some cases, a non-GAAP basis. The non-GAAP financial measures discussed on the call are reconciled to the U.S. GAAP equivalent as part of the appendix to the slide presentation. And with that, I’ll turn the call over to Rich.

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Thanks, Christina, and good morning, everyone. As always we appreciate you joining us today. This morning I will provide an overview of our second quarter results. I’ll also address industry conditions our outlook and some of the questions that are likely on your mind. Laura will follow with the financial review of the quarter and walk through the detail of our revised outlook. In the second quarter segment operating income was $361 million and SOI margin was 10% and an increasingly challenging overall industry environment, particularly in our consumer business. While these results were in line with the most recent guidance we provided for the quarter at an investor conference in June, I’m certainly not pleased with them. Before Laura gets into the detail, I will take a few moments to explain the key drivers of our second quarter performance and more importantly the implications on the balance of 2017 and 2018. As we told you on our first quarter call heading into the second quarter, we expected a decline in unit volume similar to the first quarter driven by our strategic reduction in some of the smaller rim size tires in EMEA and lower auto production. But the second quarter played out much differently than we had expected. We saw incremental weakness in the OE market especially in North America and China. During the second quarter, auto manufacturing inventories remained well above normal levels in the U.S. and China, due to softer demand than underlying production. We also saw incremental challenges in replacement, which I’ll address in a moment. As a result we produced our full year U.S. consumer OE industry outlook from about flat at the time of our first quarter call to down 4% to 5%. We continue to closely watch OE industry trends particularly in China.…

Laura Thompson

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Thank you, Rich. I’ll begin with the income statement on Slide 10. Our unit volume was down 10% year-over-year, and was driven by two factors. First, lower overall OE demand and second, lower consumer replacement volume following a weaker sell-in environment during the quarter. And in that market, we were further impacted by the relative timing of our price increases. Our second quarter sales were $3.7 billion down 5% from a year ago. Our second quarter sales reflect higher revenue per tire of 4% excluding currency, which was more than offset by the lower volume particularly in the U.S. and Europe. Segment operating income was $361 million for the quarter, and our SOI margin was 9.8%. Our second quarter earnings per share on a diluted basis was $0.58, and our results were influenced by certain significant items and adjusting for these items our earnings per share was $0.70. The step chart on Slide 11, walks second quarter 2016 segment operating income to second quarter 2017. The negative impact of lower volume was $98 million unabsorbed overhead was $40 million. Increased raw material costs of $189 million more than offset improved price mix of $127 million for a net headwind of $62 million, which was primarily driven by the timing lag in our OE RMI indexed agreement. Raw material costs were up 21% year-over-year. Cost saving actions of $59 million driven by our operational excellence initiative and efficiencies in SAG more than offset the $34 million negative impact of inflation delivering a net benefit of $25 million in the quarter. Foreign currency exchange with a modest headwind of $3 million and other was a benefit of $8 million. Turning to the balance sheet on Slide 12, cash and cash equivalents at the end of the quarter were about $900 million. Total…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We take our first question from David Tamberrino with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Good morning, David.

David Tamberrino

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Good morning, Rich, good morning Laura. Thanks for taking our questions here. I think the first question that I have and several investors have, because it was noticeably absent from the slide deck and it was in the June 14 presentation. Where you’re seeing today and where you see 2018 shaping up? Are you still on track in your view for the 2020 SOI target of $3 billion? And I ask that not just for what’s going on today within the market, but also from some of the underlying assumptions you had for USR, I think you were using some LMC automotive forecast, which had like an $18 million SAR in 2020, so I’m trying to understand how you feel about that guidance almost a year in now and given what’s going on within the market.

Laura Thompson

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Okay. Sure, David. Maybe I’ll start and then Rich can fill in if you’d like. So I think, David, there is no doubt last September when we laid out our long-term plan, right, we knew headwinds were possible. They always come up in our industry. But clearly, we didn’t know how to anticipate them in the early part of the first year of that plan. However, as we sit here today, we see a lot of these headwinds as temporary in nature, but there is no doubt that while things are quite volatile at this time period, we’ll have to get back to you and walk you through that. The underlying fundamentals, as Rich walked through in his script and as we’ll see in the numbers and continue to see in the numbers going forward remain very strong, and we’re confident in those drivers. But there is no doubt that what’s going on in the first year of that plan absolutely has an impact on it. But again, I just – I keep talking about this, the temporary nature is there for the headwind, and we feel very confident that, that – the underlying trends in the industry are still very strong, and we’re in a great position with our strength to drive growth through those trends, frankly.

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Yes. David, I would just echo Laura’s comments. I’d say, as I said in my script, we expected headwinds. We didn’t expect them so soon. So we got there work our way through. And I think in this time, we need a little time to see how the second half shapes up. Again, we’ve made some adjustments that we’re very comfortable with and then we’ll be back to you with an update going forward. I think it’s a little premature for us to answer that question as concretely as you’re asking right now, a lot of moving parts. I will tell you, again, because I think it’s the core of our 2020 plan are the megatrends that underlie the drivers to hit those numbers. And I will tell you, those things we don’t really view as changing. You mentioned the SAR, which forecasts are going down. You all probably seen the numbers again today of sellouts are there, auto, sales and inventories and the like. But we also know that a lot of those plant closures in the second half are the retool, and those retoolings are going to be for exactly the type of tires that we want to sell or we want to sell to or we want to be on going forward both at OEM replacements. So a lot of those megatrends, they’re still alive. They’re still there. We’re working through what’s the tumultuous environment situation. So it makes a little hard at this moment to be candid to answer that question as definitively as you like. But we will – we’ll certainly update that as we go by the end of the year.

David Tamberrino

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Understood. That’s fair. And then just a second one from me. As we think about the change we saw that tire PPI inflection downward into June from May after it was coming up nicely. Can you just kind of walk us through what you were seeing within the environment from your competitors mostly because the price/mix less raws variance is about $200 million from where were a month ago versus, or say, where we are today. What really drove that pretty meaningful change? Is it competitors that were in following through with the price increases, competitors just looking to take share and pricing down? Maybe just walk us through help us understand.

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

So David, as you’d expect, I certainly can’t comment on what others have done in the industry. We tried to use that PPI chart as sort of an indicator for you to see some of the trends that are out in the marketplace, if you will. I will tell you, I can comment for us, and clearly, our strategy is clear. Our strategy is to recover the value of our products, whether that’s branding, whether that’s innovation, technology and raw materials, clearly, an element of that. And that’s what we did. That’s what we told you that we were going to do. And as we look at our blue line on there and if you look at Slide 7 on our price/mix per tire and the sequential improvements, Q1 to Q2 and then on into the second half, we see the raw materials are there. We see that we need to go capture the value of our brands, and that’s what we’re – that’s what our intent is and that’s what we’re doing.

Laura Thompson

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Yes. And I would say, David, I think to add on to that, maybe I think Slide 5 as we, again, try to just explain what’s going on out there. As Rich said, the PPI shows that in the end result, but I think in the first half of the year, we just have this very complex environment unlike anything we’ve seen before, right. With the raws rising so rapidly, you all remember that from the fall and oil rising and then dropping. And then you have sellout down dramatically in the first part of the year, the OE pressure on top of it. I think we really – what we see going on in the industry is, again, more about that environment as opposed to some kind of a trend.

David Tamberrino

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Okay. And just lastly looking at Slide 6, the volume growth reacceleration, how much of that is driven by improved retail sellouts and inventories more in line versus more capacity coming on line for you from your Mexico facility?

Laura Thompson

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Sure. So I think if you – as we spoke to the second half of the year, right, and we see our volume for the full year down about 3.5%, we have, for the U.S., I think, in the U.S., we do see sellout improving. We saw it a little better in June. So we – based in our assumptions is that we kind of get back to about flat for the year in terms of industry in the U.S. environment, if that helps.

David Tamberrino

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

It does. Thank you. I’ll turn it over.

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Thanks, David.

Laura Thompson

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Thanks, David.

Operator

Operator

We’ll take our next question from Itay Michaeli with the Citi. Please go ahead.

Itay Michaeli

Analyst · the Citi. Please go ahead

Great. Thank you.

Rich Kramer

Analyst · the Citi. Please go ahead

Good morning, Itay.

Itay Michaeli

Analyst · the Citi. Please go ahead

Good morning. Maybe just stick to Slide 6. Can you talk a little bit more what kind of what happened in the quarter specifically and then I think, Laura, you mentioned June looking was better, how does July look thus far? What gives you confidence in the 10% for the second half kind of recovery there?

Rich Kramer

Analyst · the Citi. Please go ahead

Yes. So Itay, I think in a macro sense, again, I think as a look at the second quarter and you look at Laura’s comments in June relative to the second quarter, it’s pretty much in line with what we thought was going to happen. I think if you think about the adjustments we’ve made going forward and maybe to build on what Laura said, what’s happening and what drove even the decrease you see in Page 6 in the second quarter. Again, you have this current situation that we would say is not really reflective of a change in industry trends, but more of a function of the current environment. Again, rapidly rising raw material cost up to 30%, then we had a big prebuy, put – had a lot of tires industry-wide into the channels, so you have full channels there. Add to that, we had a weak sellout environment going on, and then that comes in and sort of exacerbated by unequally almost significantly fast or violent decrease in raw material prices. So you have all these things pulling together that had somewhat of a tumultuous environment that we’re seeing. And then add on to that, the little – the weaker OE environment that we have and you kind of got what’s happening in the second quarter. In that environment, and as you look at that bar, I would tell you that as I mentioned earlier, we had a plan, we stuck to our strategy. We have raw material prices going up starting really at the beginning of the year. Our peak will be in Q3. We have about $470 million in raw materials to offset in the second half. We have significant raw materials in Q2. As we said, we’re going to capture the value of our brand. We did what we said, and a consequence of that is, I think, Laura even alluded to in June is that we lost volume for that. That’s what you see in that bar right there. I don’t like losing volume, but as I said in my script, we’re comfortable with the decisions we made because we have to capture the value of our brands going forward. We can’t get behind on our costs, raw material being one of them. And as we’ve often said, capturing and offsetting that raw material with price/mix sometimes takes longer than others. We could be in one of those environments, but we’re confident in what we did. We’re confident this is sort of the tumultuous period. And that’s kind of what we think – what our view is to what happened in Q2.

Laura Thompson

Analyst · the Citi. Please go ahead

Yes. And I think as you go to the second half, Itay just maybe for modelling to help you, overall, as we see our volume down 3.5% for the full year, in – obviously, given what’s going on, we’ve lowered our expectations, frankly, right, as we go here. So we see this as manageable. Especially for the third quarter, given that channel inventory that Rich talked about, our expectations are not high for the third quarter. We see our volume probably down about 3% in total. Now we do see the fourth quarter start to come back a little bit. As that inventory works through, the sellout get back more to flat. And then for the fourth quarter, we – in terms of total volume, we certainly have China OE, better year – much better year-over-year, things like that. If that helps maybe third quarter, fourth quarter view.

Itay Michaeli

Analyst · the Citi. Please go ahead

Yes, that’s very helpful. Thanks very much for the detail. My follow-up question is on CapEx being pulled back. Can you specifically talk about where are you able to find some savings there? And how to think about CapEx beyond 2017 given that you do think volume will come back further 2018?

Rich Kramer

Analyst · the Citi. Please go ahead

Itay, I’ll start kind of way our philosophical view on this, and that’s always that we want to be very judicious allocators of capital, CapEx being one of those buckets. And when we see the volume impacts that we’ve had here, it just causes us very prudently to go back and look at our capacity, look at the additions we had and reassess the timing. We would tell you, we’re not impacting our sort of 17-inch and above capacity or other strategic investments that we want to make. But at the end of the day, we will go back, and I can assure you, we’re scrubbing through those projects that, yes, we might need. But look, the reality of where we’re at, where the industries at for the moment, we’re going to go back and take a hard look at those and that’s the change that you’re seeing.

Itay Michaeli

Analyst · the Citi. Please go ahead

And maybe just a quick follow-up on that. Does the cutback in CapEx potentially affect how we should think about future net cost savings in the out years? I know you have the number out up to 2018 as we think about that going forward, is there…

Rich Kramer

Analyst · the Citi. Please go ahead

No. Itay, of course, you’re absolutely right, CapEx does go into efficiency and consequently cost savings, but our drivers of operation excellence initiatives aren’t rooted solely in our capital expenditures. They’re rooted on projects we’re working on the ground floor of all our locations. So no, I would not equate it to.

Itay Michaeli

Analyst · the Citi. Please go ahead

That’s very helpful. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

We’ll take our next question Rod Lache with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Good morning, Rod.

Rod Lache

Analyst

Hi, Rich, good morning. I hopped on a bit late and I missed part of your script, Rich. But I wanted to probe a couple of things. Obviously, it’s a pretty volatile environment, but this is the fourth downward revision to guidance in the past year. And this one came about a month after you just provided an update in mid-July – mid-June actually. actually. So did something really change here from your perspective between mid-June and mid-July, because, obviously, we’ve been hearing about very weak demand and price competition through the quarter?

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Yes. So Rod, I guess what I would refer you back to Slide 4. And what we tried to do on Slide 4, that’s where we compare the average price of a Goodyear Tire to an industry PPI, which we were using as a way for you to think about this. And what we tried to layout is what the expectation for the balance of the year was as of our June conference versus what we saw having more real-time data and information subsequent to the quarter. And remember, a lot of activity happens at the end of June and, of course, we’ve seen it into July as well in terms of our analysis of what’s happening out in the market. So if you say what’s happened, what we did was look at our position in the marketplace and making along with other factors that we referred to, higher channel inventory, weak sellout, weaker OE, decreasing raw material prices, as well as our competitive position. And it just cost us to look at the back half of the year and say, okay, what were the assumptions that we had for our price/mix versus raw materials and how did reassess those? And I would have you then look at Slide 7, and what you see there is our price/mix per tire on the right-hand of that slide. What you see is still sequential increases. What you’d be right to assume is those sequential increases are perhaps lower than previously planned. So I would say an assessment of the market, assessment what’s going on and then making some adjustments.

Laura Thompson

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

And I think, Rod, just as you said, raws were rising dramatically at the end of the year and we wanted to get out ahead of that, get our price increases in place as we announced them. It doesn’t mean that just like we talked about in Investor Day, and I think the slide is in the deck again here today, it doesn’t mean we won’t recover with price/mix, the raw material headwinds coming. This is timing, right? It’s over time.

Rod Lache

Analyst

Yes. The Slide 7 on the right, I presume is year-over-year. The Slide 4 that was the word the PPI bending down. Just shows Goodyear kind of moving in an upward up into the right. Is it fair to assume that just look – that you guys made a reassessment of what the market looks like and you’re starting to bend your curve down maybe to follow what the industry is doing.

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Rod, I would say refer you to Slide 7 as well. We’re not bending the curve down.

Laura Thompson

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Yes. So look as Page 4. Where is the – look at the scale, right? 5%. Look at the Q4 chart right on Page 7.

Rod Lache

Analyst

Right, right. But there were sequential declines last year. So we can follow-up on that last – offline. But you’re thinking that you will recover despite maintaining the discipline apparently in your guidance. I want to probe also just the thesis that you laid out on last year on the tight supply-demand for 17-inch and greater tires. There was a slide, I can’t remember that you probably remember what I’m referring to, but generally, it showed something like here’s five years of what we think supply is going to do worldwide and you had North America, Europe, Asia and you showed just five years of what we think demand is going to do. And if I remember correctly, it was something like 200 million units of additional capacity that you saw over five years, so 40 million a year and you thought demand growth would be in line or better. So at this point, are you seeing more capacity than you thought or less demand than you thought? Because clearly, some players are turning more aggressive or having some additional availability.

Laura Thompson

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Yes, I think the answer to your question directly is no, right? We continue to see this very strong demand. Nothing changes about that chart. I know, which one you’re referring to. We do have short time periods in between. As we always said, nothing goes up, just in the straight line. So in any short period of time, incremental volume can have an impact. But nothing changes about the fact that the mix-up is happening, the industry needs those tires. We still do not see – we continue, I think, to see favorable demand for that greater than 17-inch over the next five years.

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

And Rod, I mean, I think your question is a fair one and clearly one that we’re thinking through even in the context of Itay’s question on capital allocation like in the long-term. And again, I have to come back and say and you’ve been around long enough as well. Our industry, as I said, doesn’t really move in a straight line. And what we’re seeing is obviously the tumultuousness that you referred to, but it doesn’t – we’re not changing our view of the long term. We’re not changing our view of the profit pools for 17-inch and above. We’re not changing our view of what the demands of the OEMs are going to be. We’re not coming from a different place on that at all. In fact, the OEMs are working on new models, new SUVs, new light trucks, new things like that coming out, which is exactly the place of the strengths that we have. So from our perspective, clearly, we’ve got to work through the situation we have and we’re not – we are not coming off our strategy to recover the value of our products, and those charts are intended to try to work that through. And again, you made reference to an offline discussion. Christina will certainly walk you through that. But because we’re seeing some of the tumultuousness doesn’t really change what we’re doing. It’s that our business. And Rod, finally, I’d say, our job, when we see a raw material headwind of as much as 30% at the beginning of the year. Our job is to go and, again, capture the value of our products, including all those input costs. That’s what we need to do, and that’s what our strategy is.

Rod Lache

Analyst

One last thing if I could just interject. The – on Slide 4, if you were to disaggregate that industry PPI into 17-inch and greater versus broad line tires. Are you seeing a significant difference in that bend down in pricing?

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Rod, that’s a – I’ll answer it this way. I will tell you, the market for 17-inch and above remains very strong. If you look what we showed our Q2 volumes went down, but that was more of a function of our position in the marketplace than any industry trend. And again, as we said in our comments, and I think Laura mentioned that trend has already reversed itself in June and that’s what we expect to see over the balance of the year. So that market hasn’t changed Rod.

Rod Lache

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We’ll take our next question from Ryan Brinkman with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Ryan Brinkman

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead

Great. Thanks for taking my question. First one is just on Americas volume down 10%, RMA replacements were down just 1%. I realized that your number it includes OE and it’s not just the U.S., LATAM’s got to be soft. But still just a big difference, suggest that you did lose a decent amount of share. Can you talk about what you think the biggest drivers of that are? And if also I am curious, if the share loss that you think was less than the retail channel, than it was for our shipments.

Rich Kramer

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead

Ryan, I think in terms of the volume decrease we have, I would say it’s just simply a direct function of our position in the marketplace. And as we’ve been talking about, I think it’s really no more than that. As you see on Slide 4, where we showed sort of the difference of us in the marketplace, the simple answer is the end of result was the volume loss that we had. And on top of that, obviously, you have the market that we’re dealing with right now that has, as I said, high inventories had a lot of pre-buy in the first quarter, you had slow sell out. And all those things sort of as we mentioned wrapped up into the environment that we had. And as we struck to our strategy, we saw a volume loss. I think and as I said on my comments, I’m very happy with the decisions we’ve made. It costs us volume, our job is to go and get that back. And as we said, we see 2018 is a way to go do that. And as Laura said, we see those volume trends even improving, on a sequential basis, in Q3 and Q4.

Laura Thompson

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead

And when you think about Q2, remember that really, really bad April, right? And then we started to see a much better recovery as we went through May and June.

Ryan Brinkman

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead

Okay, great, thanks. And I see you are maintaining the outlook for full-year cost savings versus general inflation. Is there any thought that you’re trying to cut a little bit deeper there into operating expense, just given the softer demand environment? What is the potential to maybe push a little harder there, without impacting RD in the year or something else that you judge critical?

Laura Thompson

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead

Yes, so I think we’re – as we said earlier, we always are looking and pushing, right? At this point, we feel very comfortable with the estimate we have, the $140 million up for the year. And as you think about that, okay, I think we’re at $64 million or so $67 million through the first half. That will come equally. At this point, we see kind of for Q3 and Q4. But to your point, we always are looking, trust me, we will find every dollar we can, as we look through that. But at this point, we feel comfortable with the $140 million.

Ryan Brinkman

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead

Okay. And then just lastly from me. How should we think about the guidance that impact all your share repurchase plans? How do you sort of way the fact that, on the one hand your cash generation now it’s going to be less. But on the other of course, you can buyback the stock at a lower price. Thanks.

Laura Thompson

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead

Sure, so we – so I would look at this way and say, we said, we’re going to spend about $400 million for the full-year. That leaves us about $370 million for the back half of the year. We’re going to get busy on that. We understand the stock is under pressure, we see it as under-valued absolutely. So we’re going to get busy on those programs. Okay?

Ryan Brinkman

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We’ll take our next question from Adam Jonas with Morgan Stanley.

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Good morning, Adam.

Adam Jonas

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Hey, good morning Rich and Laura. So just another way of, I guess, asking what the hell happened question in the second quarter, maybe from a end consumer standpoint, you obviously have a lot of data and a lot of physical downstream distribution and contacts et cetera. I mean, what’s happening at that moment, where the rubber is making contact with the road. Our consumers coming in with bald tires, is it that you had subprime or let’s say, folks that maybe could afford to buy a full sized SUV on some juice residual deal. But then when they add and replace a tire, skipper shock and they decided to run the tire. I mean, I’m just curious – anything on the – very, very and consumer side that you might be picking upon?

Laura Thompson

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Yes, I mean I think that, yes, we don’t see anything different right in the underlying fundamentals of the industry that drive people to come in and buy tires to use upon, right. We don’t, we see miles driven continue to notch up. We see gas prices, as low. Good unemployment, sometimes following a really stronger OE environment you can have these time periods, just kind of in between before customers lock in the door. Yes, we see in our retail environment, people coming in with very bald tires. But we also see the normal traffic, but overall retail I’d say in the U.S. for us and for all others has just again been very soft, extremely soft through the month of May. Okay? And I should say, really bad in first quarter, still down through April, notch better May and June. And June and July kind of give us a view that we think we’ll end up flat for the year. But as you say, you get these quarters, several quarters in a row, where you have with a weak sell out, but it eventually catches back up.

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

And I’d echo Laura’s comments about it, it eventually catches up, which is what we would expect, because as we’ve gone through down cycles, one of the things that I do is, I go visit customers around stores, you kind of look at the tire piles from the back, from tires that have been removed. And in down economies, post Great Recession, when you see tires comes off, you’d see tire cords, you could just go out and feel and then look at treads. And see what tread depth was left if any, that’s not happening at all. We’re not seeing any of that right now. We’re just seeing sort of sell out has been sort of consistently running at the GDP levels, if you look like 1% to 2%. But we also know those replacements on the – what has been a very strong sorrow over the last years has become through and we’re well positioned to take advantage of that. So we expected to come, but candidly, as I said in my remarks, we’re a bit surprised that those underlying fundamental trend haven’t driven sell out, as much as we would have expected.

Adam Jonas

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

All right, thanks. And just maybe a follow-up. there is this thesis out there, that changes in the business model, say, Auto 2.0 things like ridesharing firms that become mega-fleet managers could be in position to one day, if not now, be buying many, many millions of tires on a commercial buy for their drivers. Just like Uber and Lyft what not, start to try to take some cough out and use their data to try to provide a fleet management solution, and better, better economics to their drivers. I guess the question is, are you, are you had a point, where you could have without singling out a specific ridesharing firm on this call. Are you having – your folks in the commercial side having those discussions with the ridesharing firms on how your products can meet their needs?

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Adam, we are – one, I mean just to take a step back, your perspective on a shift to a customer changing overtime, more towards a fleet – a mega-fleet as you say is a trend that I think is ultimately going to happen, and to you point it’s to a degree happening already, which is a very positive trend. And as you know, one of our strength is managing fleets, through not just a tire, but through the service model that we have focusing on up time, focusing on cost per mile, focusing on service. Those types of elements make that business a very good business for us. So we do see that trend happening. And I would suggest to your point, we’re on the front end of seeing that happening. And those are the type of dialogues, we’re having with many, many of those players. As you know there is a wide range and a lot of clarity to fall out, is to how those things come together. In terms of what their business model looks like. But suffice it to say, the need for tires – the point of vehicle miles traveled going up and the need to provide a service to keep those vehicles going through some of those mega-fleets that are emerging are absolutely on our radar.

Adam Jonas

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Okay. Thanks a lot.

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We’ll take our next question from Emmanuel Rosner with Guggenheim. Please go ahead.

Emmanuel Rosner

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please go ahead

Hi good morning everybody.

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please go ahead

Hi, Emmanuel.

Laura Thompson

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please go ahead

Good morning.

Emmanuel Rosner

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please go ahead

Just wanted to apologize in advance I missed the beginning of the call. And so you may have explained and answered a lot of my question. Just wanted to get back on the – to Slide 6. I understand you’re rational for holding the bar on pricing and how you make strategic sense. But how do you get [indiscernible] that the disciplined pricing will not hurting your volumes on an ongoing basis. Or in other words, how do you get conviction on these, back to 10% growth for the second half and for 2018?

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please go ahead

Well Emmanuel, I’ll start with the way I always do, because I think it’s absolutely key and that goes back to the value proposition that we have in the marketplace. It’s our products, it’s the technology in them. It’s the brand, it’s the marketing, it’s the service we bring to the dealers. And even in the second half for instance in North America, we have our new weather reading product coming out. All of those things are ultimately what matters and what will be attractive both to our distributors, our dealers, and to our consumers and those things that we have haven’t changed at all. So that’s the predicate of the conviction that we have, that we can continue forward in a very positive way. And on Slide 6 deliver those trends, those green bars after Q2 on that list. So that’s point number one. The current situation that we have is – as I mentioned, a few times and no need to apologize that you haven’t listened to the front part of it, but we’re going through a very – again a very difficult environment as opposed to a change in the industry, which just says we’re working through those high raw materials, a lot of pre-buy, a week sellout of things you’ve heard us talk about. And then the raw materials coming back down, so that’s the environment that we’ve been in. Now what gives us confidence on the second half is the outlook we’ve put forward, changes some of the assumptions that we had before relative to our position in the marketplace. Again Emmanuel, I would refer you to Slide 7 that you can see are our sequential view of where our price mix for tire is going, which shows a commitment to offset and cover those incremental raw materials. And as I think, Laura mentioned earlier as well. Our view of volume, we adjusted downward in the second half, we’ve taken into consideration some of the weaker OE, trends that are going on out there. So we have confidence that the value proposition we have in the position that we have is an appropriate way to go into the second half. And more importantly, positions us well to exit out of 2017 with some positive tailwinds of lower raw material cost of good margins coming out based on where our price/mix will be. And we’ll focus on protecting those, as we get into 2018. So we see a lot of positive things even coming out of 2017.

Laura Thompson

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please go ahead

Exactly. And so I think, Emmanuel like Page 6, which is the greater than 17-inch consumer replacement, as we said, we see it more of what’s going on in the environment what occurred in the second quarter especially for April and because those fundamentals are trends in the industry are remain strong. We don’t see that and continue to not see that as we move through the second half of the year. And then as Rich said, our expectation is now for volume for the full year, it down 3.5% and as we think about the second half of the year – think of the third quarter as down about 3%. So we very much lowered our expectation there. We see the fourth quarter more like up about 3% or so, a lot driven by OE in China. So again, just kind of lying in there, we feel we’ve got realistic expectations as we look going forward.

Emmanuel Rosner

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please go ahead

Okay. That’s helpful. And then I guess looking forward to on your Slide 9 and the 2018 positive SOI driver. So I guess the overall message is certainly a lot of these headwinds are temporary. And we will get offset into next year. What are some of the other SOI drivers to think about that could be potential offset. I mean very clearly not everything will be positive going into 2018. But if I sum up, what you have in there, we’re talking about a major jump in earnings according to your expectations?

Laura Thompson

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please go ahead

You’re right, there’s always other things that come up. In 2020 plan, we talked about some incremental R&D expense, marketing. There’s a little more depreciation that’ll come in year-over-year, probably some incentive comp versus the prior year, those kinds of things. But we’ll – these are, again, what we see as the positive drivers going forward. We’ll continue to give you more and more detail about next year as it plays out for probably the back half here.

Emmanuel Rosner

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please go ahead

Okay, great. And then just very quickly, when you look at sort of your updated SOI guidance, and I apologize if you went over that before. How do you see 3Q versus fourth quarter playing out?

Laura Thompson

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please go ahead

So I think, our third quarter, we see, again, down significantly year-over-year, okay, similar to our second quarter in terms of percentages or so. We do see the fourth quarter starting to turn better. It’s a lot of the other things we talked about, the price/mix versus raws in the fourth quarter. The comp is much better year-over-year. Again, volumes in China there’s other moving pieces as you go through it. But that’s kind of how we see the second half kind of playing out.

Emmanuel Rosner

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please go ahead

Great. Thank you very much.

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please go ahead

Thanks, Emanuel.

Laura Thompson

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we’ll today’s last question from Ashik Kurian with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Good morning, Ashik. How are you?

Ashik Kurian

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Okay. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Just one on Slide 5. It’s interesting that you showed the raw material cycle and this clearly been away short cycle. I’m sure you must have than your price increases, but probably the biggest cycle in mind, and that’s probably why you suffered, now with the market share losses, but the upshot is probably the dealers who are all sitting with higher inventory of your competitive tires. I’m just wondering, how much of an impact does that have on the retail market share? I know someone asked this question, but I wasn’t very clear on the answer. But are you seeing in terms of the retail market share loss that you’re suffering and how long ago that last and could it be structural and how much does the dealer inventory determine the retail market share in the end?

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

I take – I mean, I’d say a couple of things. One, at the start of the year, you’re right, we were looking at 1.1 billion in raw materials. What I would say is what we saw not being able to forecast how long or how high, but we know when raw materials goes up, our job is to deal with those raw materials, and that’s what we did. But I would also tell you, we’re looking at 700 million of raw materials, which is still a 20% year-over-year increase. So the raw material costs are very real, and there’s something that needed to be dealt with, and we did. And as I said, we’re very comfortable having taken that decision. In terms of what this means on a retail sellout in market share position, number one, as you know, the sellout numbers are harder to get in terms of share. The share we see in the industry is more sell-in and sell-out. But I would suggest you, you haven’t gone through this in the past, dealers are very certainly very cognizant of what’s happening in the industry in terms of doing pre-buys or candidly the opposite. It’s the situation we’re in reverse. And I would say when we see the sort of big pre-buys of these big movements by the dealers they’re a bit more arbitrage on price from their perspective than they are indicative of changes in share positions in the industry. So I don’t really worry that that’s the case and I do that because of the underlying things that we have going on, the strong OE pull and the segments that we want to play, the brand, the distribution that we have, the other services, the other things that we offer to our wide distribution network that really outlast and are more important to them than sort of an opportunity to buy low, if you will. Those things will ultimately come through. They always have, and I don’t expect that to change at this point.

Ashik Kurian

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Sorry to follow up on this. But I mean, my concern is, I mean, you flagged that on spot you’re probably looking at a tailwind and raw materials in 2018. Now the current environment doesn’t seem like one that you can keep all of it. So potentially tire makers will have to continue to give some of the prices back, and that’s why I raised my question as to what is going to force the sell-in to pick up in the second half, when you continuing to forecast plus 5% year-over-year incremental pricing.

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Yes, Ashik. You also remember we said sell-out should start to get better in the second – we’re seeing it actually get better. So you’ll see some of that inventory go through, we would say it takes about round about a quarter to get through given what we know. So I do think sell-out trends will ultimately be better and I certainly can’t speak to what others are doing? But again, as we look at this we’re still looking at almost $470 million raw materials to offset in the back half of the year. So our value proposition, and as we bake that into our view for the second half of the year, I think based on what we know, we’re comfortable with that.

Ashik Kurian

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Okay. Thank you.

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Thanks, Ashik.

Laura Thompson

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Rich Kramer

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Okay. I think that was a last caller. Again, we appreciate everyone’s attention today. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

And this will conclude today’s program. Thanks for your participation. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.