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The Hain Celestial Group, Inc. Q2 2012 Earnings Call Transcript

Operator

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is Misty, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to The Hain Celestial Second Quarter Fiscal Year 2012 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Ms. Mary Anthes, Senior Vice President, Corporate Relations, you may begin your conference.

Mary Anthes

Analyst · Amit Sharma with BMO Capital Markets

Thank you, Misty. Good afternoon. Thank you, all, for joining us today, and welcome to the review of our second quarter fiscal year 2002 (sic) results. We have several members of our management team here today to discuss our results: Irwin Simon, President and Chief Executive Officer; Ira Lamel, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; John Carroll, Executive Vice President and Chief Executive Officer of Hain Celestial United States; and from the U.K., Rob Burnett, our CEO of Hain Daniels U.K.. Our discussion today will include forward-looking statements, which are current as of today's date. We do not undertake any obligation to update forward-looking statements, either as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. Our actual results may differ materially from those projected, and some of the factors which may cause results to differ are listed in our publicly-filed documents, including our 2011 Form 10-K filed with the SEC. This conference call is being webcast, and an archive of the webcast will be available on our website at www.hain-celestial.com under Investor Relations. [Operator Instructions] Now let me turn the call over to Irwin Simon, our President and Chief Executive Officer. Irwin?

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Citigroup

Thank you, Mary, and good afternoon. And I hope everybody had the opportunity to review our press release. And in our 18 years, this -- our second quarter, our largest quarter throughout the year, this being a record quarter for Hain after 18 years, achieving $385.5 million versus $291.8 million a year ago, up 32.1%. Our operating income for the quarter, $40.1 million versus $30.6 million, up 31%, and EBITDA for the quarter, $49.7 million versus $38.5 million, up 31%. EPS for the quarter -- adjusted EPS for the quarter, $0.52 versus $0.39, up 33% for the quarter, and GAAP, which Ira will take you through, $0.44 versus $0.37 -- versus last year, and the adjustment on GAAP is acquisition-related expenses related to the Daniels acquisition. So let's talk about the quarter and all the great things happening in the quarter. We saw about 6% inflation in the quarter. Productivity around the world, we got about $5 million in productivity, and we've got a little over 2% in pricing that helped offset this inflation. So still all in all, with inflation where it was, with productivity and getting pricing, it helped us offset this. We saw a tremendous consumption growth. And one of the things I sit here today proud about is what our consumption growth -- our consumption growth is over 7% here in the U.S. today. And with a lot of other consumer packaged food companies with up 1%, 2% or even negative, having 7% consumption growth is great. And the great thing about that is, yes, our products, yes, the innovation that our marketing team have created in our development of products, but it shows you consumers are transitioning more and more to natural organic products, and the consumer is willing to spend money and spend on…

John Carroll

Analyst · Ed Aaron with RBC Capital Markets

Thank you, Irwin. Good afternoon. Hain Celestial U.S. had a very strong Q2. We had many highlights in the quarter, starting with our 9% U.S. sales growth. This was driven by strong gains across all U.S. units: grocery and snacks, personal care and Celestial Seasonings. We also had Q2 consumption growth of 7%, which was driven by gains across the portfolio. This growth was led by 12 brands with double-digit or high single-digit consumption increases. Importantly, our U.S. grocery channel consumption was up again, and it was up 6% versus year ago, marking 6 consecutive quarters of growth in this important channel, which accounts for 40% of our measured consumption. Also in Q2, our U.S. gross margin was up 10 bps despite absorbing over 6% in commodity- and fuel-driven inflation. We were able to offset this inflation with productivity savings in our July 1 price increase. Additionally in the quarter, our SG&A as a percent sales was down 40 bps, reflecting the sales increase and better leverage of our marketing, trade and headcount investment. And finally, our U.S. inventory, and this is a really great number to see, our U.S. inventory was down 6% or $8 million, while still supporting 9% sales growth and having very strong service levels. Now as we look at the second half of our FY '12, we continue to be very bullish about the U.S. business. We continue to see strong momentum across the business, and we believe it's sustainable. And I'll give you 4 good factors -- 4 good reasons why we believe that. The first reason is what I just talked to you about in terms of consumption. Q2 was our eighth consecutive quarter of consumption growth. Importantly, our 2-year comps are showing double-digit growth. The second reason is our positioning relative to…

Ira Lamel

Analyst

Thanks, John. Good afternoon, everyone. As we said in our press release, all of our income, sales and EPS numbers are the highest in our history. Net income in the second quarter this year was a record $20 million compared to $16.3 million in last year's quarter. We earned $0.44 per diluted share on a GAAP basis this quarter compared to $0.37 per diluted share in last year's quarter. Adjusted net income was $23.5 million compared to $17.5 million, improving by 34.5%. Adjusted earnings was $0.52 per diluted share compared to $0.39 per share in last year's quarter, improving by 33.3%. Our adjustments to earnings are virtually all acquisition-related fees and expenses with only minor integration costs incurred in the first 2 months since our acquisition. These adjustments totaled $5.5 million before tax or $0.08 per share. Net sales reached the highest level in our history, coming in at $385.6 million, an increase of 32.1%, compared to $291.9 million last year. We saw strong increases in sales across our reporting units, coupled with sales contributed by our acquisitions. Sales from our recent Daniels Group acquisition are included only for 2 of the 3 months in our quarter. While [indiscernible] guidance after our acquisition of Daniels, we also updated our expectations for metrics. As expected with that acquisition, we realized changes in the company's gross profit and selling, general and administrative expenses in the second quarter. Gross profit in the second quarter was 27.4% of net sales, while selling, general and administrative expenses were 17.0% of net sales. As a result, our operating margin before acquisition-related expenses was virtually flat compared to the prior year. Input cost inflation amounted to 6.1% in the second quarter this year, measured against the second quarter of the prior year. Inflation was offset by the…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Greg Badishkanian with Citigroup.

Gregory Badishkanian

Analyst · Citigroup

Just had 2 questions, if I could. First one is just with consumption running again 7%, similar to last quarter. What do you think's driving that? And also, you had warm weather negatively impact you, but yet tea and soup are up, I think, high single-digit consumption. Are you gaining share there or is -- or are the categories holding up?

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Citigroup

Greg, I think it's a couple of things. Number one, we're definitely gaining share. We're taking share away from conventional products, conventional brands. I think we really have done -- and John, as you heard him say before in regards to his new sales organization and structure, we're gaining new distribution, better displays and a major focus on trade teams and going into selling. And you heard what I said before, our top 10 accounts, we're growing over double digits with them, so it's a major focus on that. The other big thing that's happening out there, when a major retailer today wants to really grow natural organic, with the sales team and the professional sales team and the sales team and the tools the sales team has today, and the product line and the depth, we're the one going in there and becoming the category managers. So I think all around, it's the consumer being more and more awareness. I think the consumer trading up and wanting more and more natural organic and moving off conventional products. And I really say our sales team had done a good job at execution and of course, having great brands with great innovative products out there.

Gregory Badishkanian

Analyst · Citigroup

Good. And as a follow-up, did the sales momentum for, do you think, for the industry and for Hain, did that continue into January? Or any drop-off? Or is it pretty consistent?

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Citigroup

It's pretty consistent. Nothing has dropped off. And I think what you said before is interesting. Even though with warmer weather in the Northeast and not only -- the Northeastern doesn't make up the world, but we're still seeing good consumption up there. And again, we're -- other times when we've seen warm weather, we've seen consumption fall off. But I really think we're getting a lot of consumption coming over from conventional products.

Operator

Operator

You're next question comes from the line of Ed Aaron with RBC Capital Markets.

Edward Aaron

Analyst · Ed Aaron with RBC Capital Markets

John, I wanted to follow-up on a comment that you made in your prepared remarks about, I think, it was something along the lines of 200 basis points of distribution growth in the U.S. business. Can you maybe just elaborate on that a little bit and talk about what drove that?

John Carroll

Analyst · Ed Aaron with RBC Capital Markets

Yes. Edward, what I said was we saw a 200 basis point improvement in our 12-week -- our Q2 12-week consumption -- distribution trends versus our 52 week. And you know what? It's because we actually drove some pretty significant distribution gains on Greek Gods, on Sensible Portions, as well as on our core business. We're seeing nice gains on Garden of Eatin' and some of the other brands in the portfolio. And those are driving -- those have lifted the entire portfolio to positive distribution trends.

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Ed Aaron with RBC Capital Markets

And just add to that, Ed, when you see the growth in consumption growth on Arrowhead Mills or DeBoles, Health Valley Soups, and again, as they were not so much a rocket brand, but seeing high single-digit consumption growth on that, that is definitely what's helping and driving that growth.

Edward Aaron

Analyst · Ed Aaron with RBC Capital Markets

Great. And then just, Irwin, kind of a broader question. You're building a much bigger business now with kind of real global footprint. As you kind of think about that change, do you feel the need for any kind of longer-term infrastructure investments, whether it's systems or otherwise, to kind of support the type of global growth similar to what some of the bigger food companies do?

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Ed Aaron with RBC Capital Markets

Absolutely. I think it comes back -- and right now, as were looking to pull all of our teams together, we're looking at a new innovation center in regards to R&D standpoint. We're looking at multiple, from a packaging and packaging engineers, from a systems -- both U.K. and U.S. is something that we're looking at today. And listen, I just keep going back and pointing to what John Carroll and Peter Burns and the team has done in regards to the sales organization and what we've pulled together. And we had salespeople with us in the beginning, and we've had to make some changes there and what were seeing happening there. So again, there's a motto around here, it's Competency Not Loyalty, and at the other hand, we know where we need to put the infrastructure in to take this company to a $3 billion, $4 billion company, which is definitely in sight for us.

Operator

Operator

You're next question comes from the line of Scott Mushkin with Jefferies & Company.

Scott Mushkin

Analyst · Scott Mushkin with Jefferies & Company

So the 9% growth, John, that you talked about, there's no acquisitions in there. So was that a good organic number? Is that correct or not correct?

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Scott Mushkin with Jefferies & Company

No, no, no. John?

John Carroll

Analyst · Scott Mushkin with Jefferies & Company

It's clean. It's year-on-year same lines.

Scott Mushkin

Analyst · Scott Mushkin with Jefferies & Company

Right, that's what I thought. Okay, good. I just wanted to -- and then I guess as I think about the growth, which clearly is incredibly strong. You're talking about distribution improvements. You're doing a big Super Bowl promotion, I think. And I guess, is that your first -- I guess, that's part of my question. But the real question for me is when you look at particularly the U.S. business, you could say that you're somewhat in an inflection point of growth, where growth is -- could really accelerate over the next couple of years, and it's kind of like what Ed was talking about. But do we need extra brand support? Where are we in that process? I guess, sales organization was maybe step one. But kind of where are your guys' heads if we do see what looks to be maybe a building momentum in growth here?

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Scott Mushkin with Jefferies & Company

I'll go, and then John -- I will let John touch on it. Number one, let's come back and start looking at us as a global company, and just owning Daniels for 2 months and looking at Greek Gods and being ready to introduce Greek Gods by May in the U.K. is something substantial and the same with Canada. And with that Greek Gods will become over $100 million business if you expand there with the growth and it's a $10 million to $12 million business when we acquired it. If you come back and look at Sensible Portions, and basically it was a club store business when we acquired it. Now how we expanded it into grocery and how we expanded it to up-and-down-the-street business. And Sensible Portions has tremendous opportunity to grow within the U.K. and growing within Europe. So from a standpoint there, Scott, of how we build our global brands and bringing New Covent Gardens here, where I think there's tremendous opportunity for a refrigerated, fresh ready-to-eat soup. We've had to go through a major reformulation on all our personal care products to conform to the new standards for Whole Foods from an NSF standpoint and a much better product and what we've been able to do there. So from a company standpoint, what we're able to do, how we're trying to take our products into a much bigger scale -- and that's with major, major retailers today wanting our products. On the other hand, listen, you heard what I said before on consumption of 177 million pounds or 26 million pounds of potato chips or pretzels or Sensible Portions, Super Bowl -- actually next to the Thanksgiving is one of the most -- is the second most celebrated party type that happens in the U.S. And why not be eating healthy snacks, healthy chicken wings, healthy chili? So you walk into most supermarkets today, you're going to see -- whether it's Garden of Eatin' tortilla chips, et cetera. So we did stuff at Super Bowl at earlier years, and now we're focused on it. Listen, we dropped 3 FSIs on Celestial Seasonings in October-November-December to drive consumption through, and even with a warm quarter, you see what the consumption numbers are. So it's about distribution. It's about global brands. It's about knowing our consumer and about really partnering with our retailer. And what our marketing group is doing today in regards to social networking and talking to our consumers, we get 9.5 million moms a month that visit our Earth's Best website. We have a marketing group that is on Facebook and talking to our consumers all the time. So I mean, that's what we're doing, and that's what's driving our brand awareness, and that's what's really driving our consumption. And again, the consumer's willing to pay a little more today for a better product.

Scott Mushkin

Analyst · Scott Mushkin with Jefferies & Company

And so just to follow up, and that probably wasn't the most eloquently asked question, but I guess my thought process here is if 9 becomes 12, can you guys handle that? Is that a big deal? Or is that like, "Hey, no worries. We've got the infrastructure. We have what we need to kind of get that done if we do see a stepped up acceleration," which I think we could, so it's...

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Scott Mushkin with Jefferies & Company

Scott, bring it on. We're ready for it.

John Carroll

Analyst · Scott Mushkin with Jefferies & Company

Hey Scott, I'd point this out. We did 9% growth this quarter, and we took our -- took down our inventories by 6%. Okay? And had the service levels to do it. We've got the organization, the group and the structure here to keep driving growth.

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Scott Mushkin with Jefferies & Company

And Scott, we know that the consumer's going to become more and more educated on healthy food. It's not a fad, not a trend. And everyday, there is more and more in the media in regards to healthy nutrition. So am I here projecting that going into '12, is there good growth numbers out there? Is there a long runway? Is there more and more Whole Foods stores opening up? Is there more and more mass markets selling more and more natural products? Last year this time, or 2 years ago, we were seeing grocery stores not growing in natural at all. So you're really seeing good growth within natural now. So are we ready for it? As you heard me say before, bring it on. We have an unbelievable management team that absolutely can handle it.

Scott Mushkin

Analyst · Scott Mushkin with Jefferies & Company

Okay. And if I -- just one more, and then I'll yield here. Another big opportunity, I think, for you guys, I know you touched on it, Irwin, a little bit, is bringing the fresh chilled business here to the U.S. Where are you in that process? Because I actually agree with you. I think if you look at the soup category in particular, it's -- Campbell's problems aren't [ph] as much related to soup as they are to canned soup. So maybe you can kind of give us an idea of where you think that business could be in the U.S. next year.

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Scott Mushkin with Jefferies & Company

Well, I think the good news is this year. We have the #1 selling fresh soup today in the U.K. or probably in Europe. We have our own plant. We have our own people on the ground that know how to do it. No different than how are we introducing Greek Gods into the U.K. and Europe. We're using all the intel. We're using our people here to help with that. So Scott, we're all over it. I'm not going to give you away all our secrets, but we're using a lot of the U.K. group to help us introduce it here. And listen, everybody has come to us and asked us, that has seen the acquisition, "When can we get it here?"

Scott Mushkin

Analyst · Scott Mushkin with Jefferies & Company

Next year? Is that an expectation, or is that too soon?

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Scott Mushkin with Jefferies & Company

I would like to have it here -- I'd love to have it here for February season, Scott. But unfortunately, there's different technology. There is just different manufacturing processes, there's shelf life, and we want to make sure we perfect it before we get it here. But it is a high, high, high priority.

Operator

Operator

You're next question comes from the line of Amit Sharma with BMO Capital Markets.

Amit Sharma

Analyst · Amit Sharma with BMO Capital Markets

I wanted to ask quickly, the Daniel -- have you -- are you going to give out predominant [ph] sales they had in the quarter?

Mary Anthes

Analyst · Amit Sharma with BMO Capital Markets

Daniels sales in the quarter.

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Amit Sharma with BMO Capital Markets

Sure. I mean, we can break it out and give it to you.

John Carroll

Analyst · Amit Sharma with BMO Capital Markets

Hang in there one second, Amit.

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Amit Sharma with BMO Capital Markets

No, just the whole thing. Whole thing.

John Carroll

Analyst · Amit Sharma with BMO Capital Markets

The whole thing. Don't break it down [indiscernible]. Give us the whole thing.

John Carroll

Analyst · Amit Sharma with BMO Capital Markets

Amit, it's about $60 million in the quarter.

Amit Sharma

Analyst · Amit Sharma with BMO Capital Markets

I got it. Okay. And you've owned this business for about 3 months now, any...

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Amit Sharma with BMO Capital Markets

Amit, 2 months.

John Carroll

Analyst · Amit Sharma with BMO Capital Markets

Two months in the quarter [ph]. Three months til today [ph].

Amit Sharma

Analyst · Amit Sharma with BMO Capital Markets

January as well, right?

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Amit Sharma with BMO Capital Markets

Right.

Amit Sharma

Analyst · Amit Sharma with BMO Capital Markets

Given that, any positive or negative surprises in terms of what you're seeing in the category? Or the level of investment that you might have to make? Or the level of synergy that you're expecting going in? Any doubt there versus what you saw initially?

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Amit Sharma with BMO Capital Markets

Listen, I think I like what I saw -- have seen, and Rob is on the phone. Number one, I really feel -- and to step back for a second, as you heard me say before, we had a GBP 55 million business within the U.K. And not acquiring Daniels, and that's not why we acquired it, we would not have got scale. So acquiring Daniels has now given us substantial scale within the U.K., has given us substantial awareness of who Hain is with a lot of the retailers. Without mentioning retailers, Rob and I are in the U.K. within the next couple of weeks having multiple meetings on expansion of some of the Hain products that are here today and some of that Daniel products into other accounts that they have not been in or other products of Daniels that have not been in those accounts. So that's number one. Number two is with Rob and his team taking over our current business there, we're going to get tremendous amount of efficiencies, tremendous amount of purchasing, tremendous amount of distribution opportunities, and there's a good reduction in headcount. Number three, we talked about products from the U.K. coming here. We're excited about Greek Gods and Sensible Portions going there. And that's the U.K. where there's 60 million people. There is a big opportunity to expand New Covent Garden into -- additionally into Europe. We do about EUR 5 million, EUR 6 million today throughout Europe from Daniels, tremendous expansion there. And as we look at western Europe and we look at Australia, these are products that are going to be wanted around the world. As I showed them to our Asian partner that was in here yesterday, the exact same thing. So is there some operation pieces that we've got to go look at, and there's some distribution pieces? Absolutely. Is there some capital that we're willing to invest, whether it's partnering with certain customers? Absolutely. But all in all, I think it's -- it will be a great acquisition for Hain. As I've said, we really acquired a superior management team. We've acquired some great brands. We've acquired products that are in vogue today that the consumer wants. We've really acquired and have partnered with a good diversified customer list. So I'm feeling good.

Amit Sharma

Analyst · Amit Sharma with BMO Capital Markets

And just one quick on the U.S. I mean, clearly, tremendous growth story here. One of the reasons or one of the questions I get from investors is, is it sustainable and you put a good case of it. My question is, do you look at price gap between your product line and conventional products in your categories? Is that gap narrowed over time or expanded? Or is that part of the reason why you are seeing such tremendous growth in these categories when conventional is not growing?

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Amit Sharma with BMO Capital Markets

Well, I think conventional is not growing. I think, unfortunately, today, America's got separated into a low-end consumer and a high-end consumer. And the consumer that can afford our product is buying our product and fortunately, for us, I think that that's the consumer, maybe it's the biggest part of the population or the 1%. But what I come back with today is this here. There is more and more consumers who are eating at home and are willing to pay a little higher price for better products. And just a perfect example of that is Earth's Best baby food. There -- the baby rate in the U.S. is down 2.3%. That other big baby food company that starts with a G, I mean, their consumptions are down. It's down, and it's not that the baby rate is down. At the same time, you heard me take you through protein numbers during Thanksgiving. And a few years ago, it was difficult selling antibiotic-free and organic turkeys. So it's showing where the consumer is headed today, and the consumer will eat healthier products. Come back and look at consumption today and organic growth at retailers like Whole Foods and retailers that are selling natural organic products and that shows you where the consumers are shopping.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Wolf with BB&T.

Andrew Wolf

Analyst · Andrew Wolf with BB&T

So the 9% U.S. growth was a little slower than last quarter, and consumption was the same. And I think John, when I asked you last quarter, you said it was largely to do with better growth at non-measured channels and new distribution gains that may not have got into the numbers yet. Could you kind of break that out? And also thinking perhaps, now that you've had a chance to look at it, perhaps last quarter, in Q1, there might have been some folks, retailers or others buying in front of your price increase, maybe that skewed that number up and...

John Carroll

Analyst · Andrew Wolf with BB&T

Andrew, this is John. Let's do the 7% to 9%, okay? 7% consumption and 9% growth for us here in this quarter. The key is non-measured channels growing faster, and 2 I'd pop out -- and 2 customers I'd pop out to you are Amazon and Trader Joe's in addition to new product pipeline sales. So that's the bridge between 7% and 9%. The bridge from 11% manufacturer sales growth in Q1 versus 9% this quarter is real simple. It is lower -- what we call our industrial products sales, which are sales that we make out of some of our factories to other companies. It is not a high-margin business. And the other one is some discontinuations we did on Sensible Portions, on products that were not hitting our margin targets, specifically, some private label products.

Andrew Wolf

Analyst · Andrew Wolf with BB&T

Got it. And did you also turn on the promotion spigot this quarter versus last quarter, which also might have had a little swing effect?

John Carroll

Analyst · Andrew Wolf with BB&T

Promotion was pretty comparable with the exception of Celestial, where we front-loaded our FSI schedule and our sales promotion schedule.

Andrew Wolf

Analyst · Andrew Wolf with BB&T

And just one other question on -- back at Daniels. The sales side sounds like it's right on where you were guided to. Could you comment, then, on how the earnings accretion in the quarter is versus what you were looking for? And also, the only other thing I saw was the $50 million jump sequentially in the receivables. I know sometimes seasonally, this could be a bigger quarter, but is that mainly due to Daniels? And are the terms in the U.K. similar to what we see the U.S. or the retailers get better terms there?

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Andrew Wolf with BB&T

The accretion for Daniels was right on what our expectations are or were when we provided the guidance 3 months ago when we did the deal. So that's coming right in line, and that's one of the major reasons why we see our guidance holding. As far as receivables, terms in the U.K. are a little bit longer than our terms here in the U.S. Typically, we sell at 30 days here in the U.S. In the U.K., it's typically 60. So that's a little bit longer. One of the big things in bringing on Daniels in cash conversion was the fact that their inventory is chilled. It's fresh inventory, and that certainly helped to bring our inventory days down during the period.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Lazar with Barclays Capital.

Andrew Lazar

Analyst · Andrew Lazar with Barclays Capital

Just 2 quick things. First would be, as you make your forays into a lot of these sort of alternative or new distribution channels for you, are you able to do it or manage it in the way that is fairly -- at least margin-neutral to the organization? It seems like you have, but I ask because I've always thought that to be the case, but we've had an example or 2 here from other companies, admittedly one in private label, that has been unable to sort of do that as they've gone into these alternative channels.

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Andrew Lazar with Barclays Capital

I step back for a second. I think there's a couple of things. Number one, that is not where we're selling our product, and that is not where our growth was coming from. And as I said before, within our top 10 customers, we're up double-digits there. So I think it comes back if you don't have -- if you have mature customers and you got to go to other channels, you're going to sell at a price and it's going to be margin-dilutive. And that's not at all where we're where going, Andrew, and you heard John talk about 2 of them on his last question. So we see a lot of growth in our traditional channels, and it's pretty obvious who our #1 customer is. But we see right behind that a lot of other growth. And if you come back and look at Hain, and somebody was asking me this before, if 3, 4 years ago, 30%, 40% of us were going through natural food stores. That is completely reversed today, and it's probably 70% going through more and more mass market and supermarkets and online like Amazon and 30% going through natural food stores and supernaturals. But supernaturals continue to open up stores and more and more consumers are shopping at supernaturals.

Andrew Lazar

Analyst · Andrew Lazar with Barclays Capital

Got it. And then in terms of the sales force work that you've done, is it more one or the other of these things that it's impacting? Or is it really all? Or in other words, is it -- is the effort increasing shelf space for your overall categories at your key retailers where you've got these co-located account teams? Or is it more facings for Hain specifically, or just better returns on a lot of your sort of merchandising and promotional programs? I mean, I assume that it's some combination of all, but I'm curious if it's one or these or one that I didn't mention that's sort of disproportionately more advantaged by doing it -- doing some of the work that you've done around on this. And then how many -- I'm assuming it's not many, if any, but how many of what you consider your core competitors in your key accounts either have this sort of setup or have the ability to ultimately really do it or have the scale to do it? I assume it's not many, but I'm curious.

John Carroll

Analyst · Andrew Lazar with Barclays Capital

Well, here, in regard to what we're focused on, we're focused on driving distribution and making our promotions more effective and more targeted, and that's the key on those key accounts that we're driving. The other thing is, Andrew, we've really focused on who the key accounts are as opposed to just spreading money across the U.S. In regard to other companies able to do this, I really believe it's a function of scale to be able to afford this. And so there's not a lot other than the CPG guys who are doing it in -- the conventional CPG guys, as opposed to the natural and organic folks.

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Andrew Lazar with Barclays Capital

And I think, Andrew, as John said, it's scale and the products which allows us to win there and be category manager. But just as important, we have our own retail team on the street that calls on natural food stores today. And we are probably one of the only companies out there that has our retails group, whether it's doing store resets, going in and doing reordering, that is actually calling on the natural food stores.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Sean Naughton with Piper Jaffray.

Sean Naughton

Analyst · Sean Naughton with Piper Jaffray

Congrats on being able to expand the margins on the U.S. business. When you step back and you think about your business overall, what do you think the opportunity is, over the long run, for an operating margin target for you guys? How do you think about that?

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Sean Naughton with Piper Jaffray

So I think, Sean, we look at it a couple of ways. I come back today and I look at our EBITDA margin, and Ira took you through our EBITDA margin, where it's been the greatest growth within the company. But we should be at 14% to 16%, and that is our objective. And I think as we go through acquisitions and you look at today our procurement, whether it's Europe's Best, our Daniels business, all our U.S. and just the amount of countries that now we're procuring and buying through. Jim Meiers has a group together on a global procurement group now looking to buy and take costs out. We're looking for worldwide, this year, somewhere around $18 million to $20 million of productivity. At the end of the day, you heard what John said before about his sales group, and we'll look to carbon copy that around the world. So there is a lot of integration. There is a lot of procurement. There's a lot of manufacturing that we're going to consolidate to do, so -- with growth, you can go ahead and do these things. So 14% to 16% is something that -- 17% is something that we're focused on. My gosh, they're looking at me. I was going to say 20% but they're looking at me like I'm crazy. But...

Sean Naughton

Analyst · Sean Naughton with Piper Jaffray

That's helpful. The other thing I was going to ask you about is just when you look at your personal care portion of your business, I realize it's a smaller portion, but you've obviously done some things there with regards to distribution and Whole Foods. Where do you see the -- are you seeing gains in that particular category from the conventional side? And are you happy with where the product is today? And is this still an area of opportunity for you in the near term here?

John Carroll

Analyst · Sean Naughton with Piper Jaffray

Sean, this is John. Absolutely, it's an area of opportunity for us. When you think about personal care, it is analogous to where grocery was 10 years ago. So when you -- it's very strongly developed in the natural channel and in the supernaturals. But this development beyond that is not very strong, and development within natural still has a lot of room to go. Irwin's quoted statistics about how many Whole Foods customers go into the whole body section. So look, we feel like it is the natural evolution from -- for food products, and we still believe that this is going to be a very nice business for us, and we think we've got a platform to drive it even further.

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Sean Naughton with Piper Jaffray

And Sean, everybody wants to look good. Everybody wants to feel good, and everybody wants to stay younger. And our consumer on this here, predominantly a female shopper, with more and more disposable income today is where tremendous growth will come from in this category. And I think as you come back now, there was tremendous amount of confusion in this category before. What was organic, what was natural, and never very clear. And now that the standards are set, I think the growth here is just tremendous.

Sean Naughton

Analyst · Sean Naughton with Piper Jaffray

That's helpful. And then just lastly on the growth, is it still fair to think about the growth that you're seeing is 70% to comp doors and then 30% distribution? I think that you mentioned that on the last call. Is that still a fair way to think about the growth that you guys are getting today?

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Sean Naughton with Piper Jaffray

Yes. I think that's exactly where we're still at is comp growth, new distribution, new products. I mean, worldwide, we probably introduced close to $40 million, $50 million of new products, which is innovation. With our sales organization, comp growth, new distribution growth is where it's coming from. And last but not least, we like when we see our growth retailers opening up more and more stores because that contributes a lot to comp growth.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Wayne Archambo with Monarch Partners.

Wayne Archambo

Analyst · Wayne Archambo with Monarch Partners

The prior gentleman mentioned personal care, and I was going to follow-up on that. I mean, do you see any acquisitions in that area? You folks don't bring that up as much as you used to a few years ago. But did you see acquisitions, or you just see yourself growing organically there?

John Carroll

Analyst · Wayne Archambo with Monarch Partners

Wayne, this is John. We're looking for both. We're -- look, there's a lot of organic growth to go, especially in terms of doors that these products aren't in. But there are some bolt-on opportunities that we'd like to figure out how to get into the Hain portfolio.

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Wayne Archambo with Monarch Partners

But Wayne, if we step back. If you take Alba, Avalon, JASONs, Zia Earth's Best line for kids that we created and Queen Helene, which we've seen some great growth, I mean, one of the problems are, everybody, with these bolt-on acquisitions think they're multiples or in the hemisphere, and we're stepping back and sayin, "We don't like multiples in the hemisphere when we're buying, and how do we do it ourselves?" So absolutely, we'd love to be a buyer in this category and perfect example is with Avalon and all of what we're able to do. But we will not be in the hemisphere in multiples that we'll pay. We can create it ourselves. We have a tremendous facility in California, a good R&D team. And what John has done here is put a dedicated team on personal care that every morning, when they wake up, that all the do is focus on personal care. So we could easily take more on and integrate it, but we'll not overpay.

John Carroll

Analyst · Wayne Archambo with Monarch Partners

Hemisphere sounds like a seller's market to me. But with that California facility, what level of capacity do you have out there?

John Carroll

Analyst · Wayne Archambo with Monarch Partners

Wayne, we're probably at about 60%. Our volumes have grown, but Jim Meiers and his group have done a terrific job of increasing throughput. So we still have room to drive our own organic growth, as well as to integrate an acquisition right into that facility.

Irwin Simon

Analyst · Wayne Archambo with Monarch Partners

Again, it is our second quarter, one of our biggest quarters in the year, our largest quarter within the year. But it's great to sit here and now reporting the largest quarter that we've ever reported within the history of the company. And it's been 18 years in Hain coming together, and we've had challenges along the way in building Hain. But all along the way, we've maintained our brands. We've maintained our people. We've stuck to our strategy. We've focused on our balance sheet. We've really delivered good quality products, and we've stuck to what we've always said. We want to manufacture, market and sell natural organic products. And thank God, the consumers woke up and sort of said, "I want to eat, or I want to use more natural organic products." And again, whether it's gluten-free, whether it's lower sodium, whether it's nondairy, whether it's healthier kids' meals, whether it's Earth's Best, chlorine-free diapers. I could go on for the next 20 minutes about our products and the quality of our products and the ingredients, and we're well set to go to the next level of Hain. With that, thank you very much for this afternoon. And go both New England and the Giants and just eat lots more chips and a lot of chili and a lot of chicken wings, FreeBird, drink our tea. We don't have a beer yet or Kombucha, and we'll speak to you real soon. Goodbye.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's Hain Celestial Second Quarter Fiscal Year 2012 Earnings Conference Call. You may now disconnect.