Helen Torley
Analyst · Goldman Sachs.
Yes. Thanks, Corinne. Let me start by saying for each of the products that are in our development, we kind of group them into 3 groups. Now we've got the current blockbusters. And I think what's the first thing to note about those is those products, and Nicole commented on it, VYVGART and DARZALEX are having new indications every year at this point in time, which is super in terms of driving their continued growth for a period of time. We talked about DARZALEX with smoldering multiple myeloma with first line, which is why despite that being a product that's been in the market now for many, many years, it's still putting up 19%, 20% year-over-year growth. And we do are excited to see that continue to grow for years to come. VYVGART is a very interesting one. That's very early in its life cycle. And obviously, all the growth we're seeing today are driven by gMG and CIDP. But next year, as you're aware, there's going to be readouts in thyroid eye disease, ocular myasthenia gravis, myositis and Phase II data in systemic sclerosis, so we think of VYVGART where we get royalties out to the 2040s as being an incredibly valuable growth engine for multiple years to come. And then if we go to the second block, which are the most recently launched ones, so OCREVUS and OPDIVO and Tecentriq and amivantamab, those are also just at the beginning of their growth trajectory where we expect growth for many years to come given they are just at the start. And in many of those cases, we've got royalties going out certainly well into the 2030s and in some instances, into the 2040s. So that's another set of sustainable royalty revenue streams. And then behind that, let's look to our development pipeline. The products that are in Phase I, II and III, so they're going to have different timings for of them potentially launching before 2028, other ones shortly after 2028. So again, another set of new royalty streams adding in, in that. And your point of the 5 years really does say that for any new deals we sign now, which we're very actively working on and have new products starting next year, those have the potential to be launching in the early 2030s, adding once again, new royalty revenue streams. So we continue to be very excited by these not just waves, which are a very important part of it. But within each -- several of our products, they are being developed in a way that is having them grow and grow beyond probably what we all thought initially because of the value of the new indications and the investments in the companies are making to have these become truly mega blockbuster drugs. So that's the way we think about it, and that's what we work towards just a wave upon wave of new royalty revenue.