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The Hackett Group, Inc. (HCKT)

Q3 2014 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 4, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Hackett Group Third Quarter Earnings Call. Your lines have been placed on a listen-only mode until the question-and-answer session. Please be advised that the conference is being recorded. Hosting tonight's call are Mr. Ted Fernandez, Chairman and CEO; and Mr. Rob Ramirez, Chief Financial Officer. Thank you. Mr. Ramirez, you may begin.

Rob Ramirez

Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Operator. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss The Hackett Group's third quarter results. Speaking on the call today and here to answer your questions are Ted Fernandez, Chairman and CEO of The Hackett Group; and myself, Rob Ramirez, CFO. A press announcement was released over the wires at 4:08 P.M Eastern Time. For a copy of the release, please visit our website at www.thehackettgroup.com. We will also place any additional financial or statistical data discussed on this call that is not contained in the release on the Investor Relations page of our website. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that in the following comments and in the question-and-answer session, we will be making statements about expected future results, which may be forward-looking statements for the purposes of the federal securities laws. These statements relate to our current expectations, estimates and projections and are not a guarantee of future performance. They involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions that are difficult to predict and which may not be accurate. Actual results may vary. These forward-looking statements should be considered only in conjunction with the detailed information, particularly the risk factors contained in our SEC filings. At this point, I would like to turn it over to Ted.

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

Thank you, Rob. As we customarily do, I will start the call by reviewing the quarterly highlights and then turn it back over to Rob and ask him to comment on operating results, cash flow and then provide some commentary and details around our guidance. Rob will then turn it back over to me. I will provide some market and strategic related comments and then we will open it up for Q&A. Let me start by welcoming everyone to Hackett Group's third quarter earnings call. This afternoon, we reported revenues of $60.4 million and pro forma earnings per share of $0.16, both at the high end of our guidance. As planned, improving results in Europe and solid US momentum, along with a lower consolidated tax rate, allowed us to exceed last year’s third quarter results by 33%. Half of this improvement came from the improved operating results and the other half came from the lower tax rate. In Europe we experienced improved demand, which allowed the region to positively contribute to our quarterly results for the first time this year. In addition, we continue to build up our new EPM capability in Europe, which we believe will further enhance our growth opportunity for the region. In the U.S both Hackett and our ERP solutions teams as expected, were impacted by some project transitions which slowed our growth from the solid results we experienced in the first half of the year. However, also as expected, we plan to resume the same -- our first half of year growth rate in the fourth quarter. On the balance sheet side, we continued to be active with our stock repurchase program throughout the quarter. Additionally, at our recent board meeting, the board approved a 20% increase to our annual dividend. This increase was to further reflect our desire to reward those shareholders that are long-term holders of our stock as part of our overall strategy to return capital to shareholders. On the investment front, we're continuing to see the synergies from the complementary capability that we brought on board with the acquisition of our EPM application AMS Group in the first quarter. Additionally, we continue to develop and attract talent and look for all ways to expand our brand. On the intellectual property front, we continue to look for ways to leverage our Hackett Performance Exchange as well as our benchmarking and executive advisory offerings through new channels. I will comment about these opportunities in more detail in my strategic overview section of our call. I'll also comment further on market conditions and some specific go-to-market initiatives, but let me first ask Rob to provide details on our operating results, cash flow and also comment on guidance. Rob?

Rob Ramirez

Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Ted. As I typically do, I will cover the following topics during our call. An overview of our 2014 third quarter results, along with an overview of related key operating statistics, an overview of our cash flow activities during the quarter and I will then conclude with a discussion on our financial outlook for the fourth quarter of 2014. For purposes of this call, any references to Hackett Group will specifically exclude ERP solutions. Correspondingly, I will comment separately regarding the financial results of The Hackett Group, ERP Solutions and the total company. Please note that all references to gross revenues in my discussion represent net revenues plus reimbursable expenses. Additionally, references to pro forma results specifically exclude non-cash stock compensation expense, intangible asset amortization expense, non-recurring acquisition and restructuring charges and assumes a normalized tax rate. For the third quarter of 2014, total company gross revenues were $60.4 million, a 4% increase on a year-over-year basis and at the high end of our third quarter's guidance. Gross revenues for The Hackett Group, which excludes ERP solutions, were $51.4 million in the third quarter of 2014, an increase of 6% on a year-over-year basis. Hackett U.S revenues were up 2% on a year-over-year basis, but down 3% excluding the Technolab acquisition made in the first quarter of 2014. As expected, U.S revenues we impacted by the timing of projects that were in the process of completion and others that were in the process of starting. However, U.S revenue is expected to resume its growth in Q4 consistent with the first half of the year. Hackett international revenues were up 20% on a year over year basis, with half of the growth coming from the Technolab acquisition. International revenues also benefited from improving European growth as well as more…

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

Thank you, Rob. As we look forward, we expect continued growth from our U.S business across nearly all of our groups. We also expect activity to be stable to improving internationally as we expand our offering and even if it comes with a more volatile decision making environment when we compare it to our U.S activity. One of the key drivers of our growth in the U.S has been the focus on our growing wedge offerings, which are our benchmarking and executive advisory services. We’ve done this by expanding our dedicated sales channel in both of these of groups throughout the year. Both of these offerings are highly differentiated in the marketplace and have collectively grown over 10% year-to-date and provide significant cross selling leverage for our other services. Relative to our EPM or more broadly known as Enterprise Performance Management and in fact further described as business analytics, in September we were recognized as Oracle’s number EPM influence partner of the year in North America for the second year in a row. EPM now represent approximately 45% of our North American Hackett revenue. Additionally, the acquisition of our EPM application management services group earlier this year, provides us both the opportunity for recurring AMS revenue as well as the opportunity to leverage offshore resources to deliver our EPM implementation services more cost effectively. As we have mentioned all year, we believe that some of our international volatility may be a result a more limited solution offering in Europe. We will continue to invest in the expansion of our EPM capability in Europe. We believe by more closely mirroring our U.S capabilities in Europe, we can improve our ability to grow in Europe and also further strengthen our global delivery capabilities, which are important for large multinational engagements. Our strategy…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions). Our first question is from George Sutton. Go ahead. Your line is open.

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

Are you there, George? Operator, why don’t we go to the next question?

Operator

Operator

We are going to go to Morris Ajzenman. Go ahead. Your line is open, sir.

Morris Ajzenman - Griffin Securities

Analyst

Just a little more clarity for Europe. Results contributed for the first time in a while here. Can you give us some sense of what the contribution was versus a year ago in the same quarter?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

It was a couple of cents up from a year ago same quarter and that compares to obviously a negative contribution in Q1 and negative penny in Q2.

Morris Ajzenman - Griffin Securities

Analyst

I’m trying to understand, it contributed $0.02, approximate a couple of cents in this quarter. I’m just trying to understand what was the detraction form EPS third quarter a year ago?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

From a third quarter a year ago, I would say the difference is probably slightly -- well the slightly lower U.S revenue would be one and slightly higher sales and bonus accruals which Rob mentioned.

Morris Ajzenman - Griffin Securities

Analyst

Can you just give us a little more example of EPM in Europe? I know you heightened the leadership a quarter or two ago and you really focused on duplicating the success of enterprise performance Management in U.S and Europe. Can you give us some examples of traction that’s gone forward and potential how this can play out for the next couple of quarters?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

I don’t know how it can play out, but I can tell you that we -- as you know the leader of Europe is the person that has an EPM consulting background. I think somewhere in the middle of Q2 we actually had our EPM technology leader actually move with his family over to London and started to become active in the marketplace. We closed a couple of EPM technology projects. I would call them early phase type of engagements. One of them was a Fortune 100 company. We think the opportunity is there for us. We are going to -- we are investing to continue to build up that group and that capability. And yes, we think it should be a contributor to European growth in 2015.

Morris Ajzenman - Griffin Securities

Analyst

Okay. And lastly here, getting back to (inaudible) contribution this quarter in Europe, will that improve sequentially on ensuing quarters or in this next quarter at least? You see that further improving?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

No. We expect the net contribution to be about the same, but as Rob mentioned, when you look at that with the favorable comps, if you remember we had a pretty lousy Q4 in Europe last year. It will show up as a more meaningful revenue growth. But on a contribution basis, if you want to compare it to last year, last year Europe cost us $0.07 on a year over year basis. We expect it to contribute a couple of cents this quarter. That will be terrific but no, it’s not -- I wouldn’t call it accelerating yet, but I try to describe it as stable and with improving overall demand in activity across all of our offering.

Operator

Operator

(Operator instruction) our next question comes from Bill Sutherland with Emerging Growth Equities. Go ahead. Your line is open.

Bill Sutherland - Emerging Growth Equities

Analyst · Emerging Growth Equities. Go ahead. Your line is open

Thanks very much. Hey guys. Rob, just a real quick number question I didn’t catch when you were doing the gross margin split. You mention ERP was 38. What was I guess Hackett Group?

Rob Ramirez

Chief Financial Officer

Hackett Group gross margins from net revenues was 39% in the quarter as compared to 37% in the prior year.

Bill Sutherland - Emerging Growth Equities

Analyst · Emerging Growth Equities. Go ahead. Your line is open

Okay. Did you describe the uptick there as far as the factors? I know you did for ERP.

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

The principle driver there was improved leverage on COS. If you go back and look at why the COS percentage has gone down, it’s a combination of improved revenue build, but it’s also a combination of we are focusing on our average cost for professional and overall margin opportunities as we finish up 2014 and head into 2015.

Bill Sutherland - Emerging Growth Equities

Analyst · Emerging Growth Equities. Go ahead. Your line is open

So in other words you are keeping a lid or control pay rate increases as opposed to, it wasn’t a big utilization.

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

No, it wasn’t a big utilization change but it was slightly improving as revenue went up, but if you recall one of the things that has always been a significant opportunity for us is that we have a -- if you want to call it top heavy, if you want to call it resource structure and the opportunity for us to build out and add some capability at the lower levels allows us over time to continue to improve our average cost per professional. We have some combination of just slight improvements in utilization, but we are also working hard to improve the overall cost as a way of leveraging and creating more pyramid – a more pyramid structure in our model work. Far from it at this point. It’s a meaningful opportunity that we’ve just put increased emphasis on throughout the year, especially as we look at 2015.

Bill Sutherland - Emerging Growth Equities Ltd.

Analyst · Emerging Growth Equities. Go ahead. Your line is open

Just to maybe try to quantify this opportunity a little bit for folks, when you look at your -- what you are talking about is expanding the base of your pyramid obviously. When you look at where you are versus a benchmark for consultants like you, where are you?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

The hard thing for us is what it should be in our scale, but just to give you an idea, compared to our larger competitors where they could be as many as one principle or partner to 20 and that’s without looking at some offshore model, this is onshore, I would say that typically somebody may be closer to 8 to 1, 10 to 1. We are maybe halfway there, halfway to that lower numbers. We have tremendous capability to grow into a more typical pyramid structure versus what we have, which maybe would be better described as more of a diamond state model today. That creates great opportunities so we are working hard to see if we can start moving that down to something more traditional and more similar to our larger competitors.

Bill Sutherland - Emerging Growth Equities

Analyst · Emerging Growth Equities. Go ahead. Your line is open

The other key question for me at least was about Europe. And obviously economic trends are a little volatile over there right now depending on what region you pick. I guess what are you guys seeing and how’s your visibility at this point?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

I will say first overall activity for us has not been dramatically different over the last several years and it’s important to say that because what I believe overall, I believe Europe has been sluggish for a number of years, but I think there’s been some economic – there’d be some GDP and other if you want to call it economic activity trends or ratios reported in a single quarter or two quarters that people have just perceived as some significant change. For us or for me specifically Bill, I think Europe has been at 0% to 1% overall since the financial crisis. Yes it had its spurts, but overall if you look at it on an annual basis, I just don’t think that they’ve had any kind of real breakout performance, even though you could say that we are seeing a little better performance in the UK overall relative to the group. And we saw a little better performance in Germany 18 months ago relative to the group. When you look at it combined and you look at that over a year period, it hasn’t been that different. I believe that as I have said before, if we are talking about the overall growth opportunities in the U.S since financial crisis being something similar to the new normal, which is hey look, just don’t assume that you are going to grow and have the same pricing leverage that you had pre ’08. I would say this respectfully, that I refer to Europe as maybe the new mediocre. It’s not quite as good, the opportunity there. It’s our job and our client’s job to adjust their models to make sure that they right size or align themselves to the profitability that is available at that 0% to 1% growth rate until they demonstrate that as a region they’re going to grow better than that. For us I think it was a way of making sure we responded to that and in addition to that added capabilities that we knew we were having great success with in the US which is EPM specifically. Those have been the two moves we’ve really focused on and I think have stabilized and allowed us to move that back into profitability. But our hope especially when you look at those comps into 2015 is that can it also grow at a rate comparable to the U.S at least in 2015. And we’ll see what that economic activity ends up being as we see I guess several of those macro-economic factors that are impacting Europe. I don’t expect them to change the overall activity and performance opportunity for us or our clients significantly for the balance of the year or 2015. I just really don’t. Bill Sutherland – Emerging Growth Equities: Remind me, I know Germany is you biggest market over there. Where’s UK at this point for you?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

No, I would say that the UK and Germany share, just sit there and one sometimes is outperforming the other. But they dominate the majority of our business in Europe and then we serve large clients in France as well as in Holland and maybe the Broader Docks and in the Nordics that you’ll see us work with some really blue chip clients outside of those areas. But I would say maybe broadly speaking 40%, 40% and then the other 20% a myriad of what you would call European Global 500 or 1,000 clients that reach out to Hackett or what we’ve got a long term relationship and we work with them from time to time.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jeff Martin with ROTH Capital Partners. Go ahead, your line is open sir.

Jeff Martin- ROTH Capital Partners

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Go ahead, your line is open sir

Ted, could you give us an update on the Technolab acquisition since you completed at the end of February? And I’m curious to know if that has any impact on your gross margin.

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

Both the answer is that the gross margins for Technolab on average are higher than our overall margin and that’s a great thing to say for a recurring revenue business model. But it just speaks to the strength of the capability and the synergies with our business that we sought and we’re getting. It’s important to note that half or a significant portion of that total AMS revenue that Rob reported about – reported to that had grown 20% year on year on a pro forma basis, includes the growth of that same -- of AMS activity for our SAP business as well, which operates at very similar margins. So the answer is we think it’s -- we love the team. We think it’s a capability that extends and made a strong EPM business better. It allows us to establish continuous relationship with clients. And as I said in my script, it also allows us to leverage some offshore skills in our EPM technology implementation engagement. Look, we’re delighted with it and think that it can be something that we can grow profitably for a very long time. Jeff Martin – ROTH Capital Partners: Okay, and then you mentioned a couple -- on a couple of occasions opportunities to partner up. Could you give us an example of how you might partner and what the implications and impact of that might be down the road?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

Yeah. I couldn’t comment on implications, but I can tell you, look one is, we know or we believe we’ve built a really smart product with this Hackett performance exchange. We believe that if we could get someone with a bigger channel in that sold software for our business, that it could help our ability to really expand the use of that client across a much broader base than we’re currently reaching. That would be an example. But another example and there’s a myriad of these things that I now I’m spending more time on. Look, we’ve got intellectual capital that allows clients to understand how well their business is running and in many cases speaks to both process and it speaks to the technology, underlying technology. There are a lot of companies that sell solutions, software solutions or certain functional solutions which we believe that if we could work with them so that when they sold their offerings we could somehow help the clients derive higher values from that solution that was sold more quickly or supported the transition or implementation, that we could be doing some smart things with some other solution providers. Look, we’re looking for ideas and have conversations with these companies from time to time. I just think it’s an area of focus. I think it’s an area of opportunity and we’re just spending more time on it and we’re having more conversations like the one I’m trying to explain without being more specific. And hopefully just like the Hackett performance exchange and what we are trying to do there in addition to the things that are improving our business already, I’d love to be able to find some really smart IP based deals that could support some really great companies and use them as larger channels for our intellectual capital and those clients ability to really leverage whatever those capabilities are more strongly. It sounds like a lot of stuff, but it is. It’s smart ideas around how to use this unique intellectual capital that we always tout. And I think it’s absolutely the reason why these large companies come to us on some -- with some frequency. Jeff Martin – ROTH Capital Partners: Sure. And then could you refresh our memory on the product transitions that you referred to in the US that support growth of that and what transpired over the past quarter and how those are speed up now?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

The best way to explain it is we have some large jobs that we are ending. But we also have some large jobs that we are starting. And some of those things just simply started a little later in the quarter and later in the third quarter. So instead of let’s just say benefiting from two of the three months or three of the three months from several of those new engagements, we benefited later in the quarter. We planned for that and we provided guidance. It slowed our US guidance, but as we said those jobs have started. They are going to impact our fourth quarter favorably and they will do that even though we are losing 5% available days because between Thanksgiving and holiday period all the way through New Year’s you lose quite a bit of both holiday and vacation that relates to that. When we look at that on a year over year basis, I think it's worth mentioning again that we believe we are going to grow our business at 11%. And if you excluded the Technolab acquisition, I think you are growing 8% or 9% without Technolab. And that’s the combination of a solid U.S momentum returning to that first half growth rate, which we did not get in third quarter and the fact that Europe is stable. So it can just continue to stay at these levels and then start improving into 2015. It creates some pretty nice prospects for us going into next year. Jeff Martin – ROTH Capital Partners: Okay. That’s really timing issue?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

Yeah, it’s timing, correct. Jeff Martin – ROTH Capital Partners: And then Rob, do you have a number for impact on revenue from forex currency exchange?

Rob Ramirez

Chief Financial Officer

It was negligible this quarter. The Euro obviously went one way, but the pound went the other way. A lot of our contracts are denominated in Euros so my net impact overall was not material.

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

And we work hard Jeff also to try to match as many of those expenses as we can there. The impact of us …

Rob Ramirez

Chief Financial Officer

The net profit …

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

It was negative on the probability we translated over, but on a transitional basis like Rob said one offset the other and it hurt us enough, not worth mentioning.

Operator

Operator

Our final question comes from George Sutton with Craig-Hallum. Go ahead sir, your line is open.

George Sutton - Craig-Hallum

Analyst · Craig-Hallum. Go ahead sir, your line is open

I’ll try it again.

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

George, we thought we lost you there for a second.

George Sutton - Craig-Hallum

Analyst · Craig-Hallum. Go ahead sir, your line is open

We are having some line issues. They’ve been popping us on and off. Why don’t you -- A lot of my questions have been asked and answered, but one that I was curious about relevant the best practices conference in Europe. I know it was sold out. I know you had some very significant customers there. Can you just give us a sense of what you learned from them? And I’m asking this in the context of you had a good Q3. It looks like you are going to have a good Q4. I’m really thinking out how predictive are we now becoming as we look further into the future?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

First of all, let me go back and mention what I previously said about Europe. I think what it represented to us or what it meant to us was that the European economy continues to be sluggish. Productivity improvement continues to be top of mind for large companies and it’s that productivity if you want to call it pressure as a result of little to no growth in the region that I think brings those attendees to our conference to understand what others are doing and to look for ways to drive productivity improvement. So for us then the opportunity is knowing that our scale in Europe is not what it is in the U.S and knowing that the offering is more limited is to make sure that we’re expanding that offering as quickly as we could so that we take advantage of that opportunity. But overall George, if the activity that we’re seeing has allowed us to stabilize, if we pulled in from areas on the fringe that we would try and invest in that just wasn’t worth it given the volatility in Europe and if we start getting a payback form the EPM focus in Europe in 2015, our hope is that the growth we target in Europe ought to be up. It’s not the same close to what we hope to target in the US. We’re going to be conservative and we’ll look at what we saw in 2014 as we look into 2015, but overall if Europe, if you put Europe this entire year on something more stable and more normalized, our results which will end up being pretty strong for the year, probably at the mid-point of the guidance you’re looking at 10% improvement of EBIDA and free cash flow. So when you look at that -- we’re going to have that year with little to no contribution from Europe, but Europe better positioned to then contribute in 2015 and hopefully our U.S momentum continues. There's no reason for it not to given that we think the GDP growth in the U.S even though it could be volatile, hopefully it will be better than – I’ll call it the choppy 2% we’ve being getting the last couple of years, especially when you look at what we just said. Q3 was playing closer to 3.5% and Q4 is expected to be pretty decent. That for us are the leading indicators overall decision making and decision making activity and activity that we experience from these very large clients that we serve. I hope that puts that into overall context. We think it’s reasonable to expect for Europe to contribute at a more normalized rate. And given the favorable comps and the decisions we made and some of the pull in we did in markets where we just didn’t have enough scale and needed to leave those investments for later, just gives us an opportunity to continue this improved performance in 2014 into 2015.

Operator

Operator

At this time I show no further questions. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Fernandez.

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

Let me again thank everyone for participating in our third quarter earnings calla and we look forward to updating you again when we report the fourth quarter and summarize the entire year for you. Thank you again for participating in our call.