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The Hackett Group, Inc. (HCKT)

Q1 2015 Earnings Call· Tue, May 12, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to The Hackett Group First Quarter Earnings Call. Your lines have been placed on a listen-only mode until the question-and-answer session. Please be advised that the conference is being recorded. Hosting tonight's call are Mr. Ted Fernandez, Chairman and CEO; and Mr. Rob Ramirez, Chief Financial Officer. Mr. Ramirez, you may begin.

Rob Ramirez

Chief Financial Officer

Good afternoon, everyone. And thank you for joining us to discuss The Hackett Group's first quarter results. Speaking on the call today and here to answer your questions are Ted Fernandez, Chairman and CEO of The Hackett Group and myself, Rob Ramirez, CFO. A press announcement was released over the wires at 4:31 p.m. Eastern Time. For a copy of the release, please visit our website at www.thehackettgroup.com. We will also place any additional financial or statistical data discussed on this call that is not contained in the release on the Investor Relations page of our website. Before I begin, I would like to remind you that in the following comments and in the question-and-answer session, we will be making statements about expected future results, which maybe forward-looking statements for the purposes of the federal securities laws. These statements relate to our current expectations, estimates and projections, and are not a guarantee of future performance. They involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions that are difficult to predict and which may not be accurate. Actual results may vary. These forward-looking statements should be considered only in conjunction with the detailed information, particularly the risk factors contained in our SEC filings. At this point, I would like to turn it over to Ted.

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

Thank you, Rob, and let me welcome everyone to our first quarter earnings call. As we customarily do, I will start the call by providing some overview or highlight comments of the quarter. I will turn it back to Rob and ask him to comment on detailed operating results, cash flow and also outlook. Rob will then it back over to me, so that I can make some comments relative to market conditions and strategy. And then we will open it up for Q&A. So, again, let me welcome everyone to our first quarter earnings call. This afternoon we reported revenues of $61 million, up 11%, 14% on a constant currency basis and pro forma earnings per share of $0.16, up 100%, both revenue and earnings per share were above the high end of our guidance. Improved results in Europe and stronger than expected U.S. momentum drove our results, with 83% of our earnings per share improvement coming from improved operations, with the remaining 17% coming from lower global tax rates. Revenue in North America was up 11%, with both Hackett and ERP up nicely, and a specifically strong performance from our EPM Group. Our IP wedge offerings, benchmarking and best practice advisory were up 20%, and strongly positioned and differentiated our business transformation and EPM practices which were also up nicely. European performance also improved growing 10% in spite a very strong foreign exchange headwinds. Our ability to engage clients strategically with our benchmarking and best practice advisory offerings continues to expand. More importantly, our ability to use this intellectual capital to help configure software or organized most effectively is resulting an increased downstream opportunities for our transformation and EPM Consulting Group. This is noticeable in our ability to compete for business as well in our improved gross margins…

Rob Ramirez

Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Ted. As I typically do, I'll cover the following topics during our call; an overview of our 2015 first quarter results, along with an overview of related key operating statistics. I'll also cover an overview of our cash flow activities during the quarter and I'll conclude with the discussion on our financial outlook for the second quarter of 2015. For purposes of this call, any references to The Hackett Group will specifically exclude ERP Solutions. Correspondingly, I'll comment separately regarding the financial results of The Hackett Group, ERP Solutions, and the total company. Please note that all references to gross revenues in my discussion represent revenues including reimbursable expenses. Additionally, references to pro forma results specifically exclude non-cash stock compensation expense, intangible asset, amortization expense, acquisition-related charges and gains, restructuring charges, and assumes a normalized 30% tax rate. For the first quarter of 2015, total company gross revenues were approximately $61 million and above our first quarter’s guidance. This represents year-over-year growth of 11% or 14% when adjusting for constant currency. Total company international gross revenues accounted for 18% or 20% in constant currency of total company revenues in the first quarter of 2015, as compared to 18% in the first quarter of 2014. Total international revenues primarily derived from Europe were up by 10% on a year-over-year basis, primarily due to a weak prior year comparable base. Gross revenues for the Hackett Group which excludes ERP Solutions were $51.6 million in the first quarter of 2015, an increase of approximately 12% on a year-over-year basis. Hackett Group annualized gross revenue per professional was $374,000 in the first quarter of 2015 as compared to $336,000 in the first quarter of 2014 and $342,000 in the previous quarter. Gross revenues from our ERP Solutions Group, which consists of our…

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

Thank you, Rob. As we look forward, consistent with last quarter, we expect continued growth from our U.S. business across nearly all of our groups. We also expect activity to be stable to improving internationally, as we expand our offerings abroad even if it comes with more volatile decisions, with a more volatile decision-making environment when compared to the U.S. One of the key driver for our growth in the U.S. has been the focus on growing our wedge offerings, which include our Benchmarking and Executive Advisory services, which we accomplished by expanding our dedicated sales channel as well as our offering. Both of these offerings are highly differentiated in the marketplace and as I mentioned, collectively grew over 20% in the quarter and provide significant cross-selling leverage for all of our other offerings. Another key driver of our growth strategy has been to continue to expand our market-leading Enterprise Performance Management business. EPM now represents approximately 47% of our North American Hackett revenues. So, why are we having success competing with much larger competitors? We believe we've assembled a terrific team. But what uniquely differentiates Hackett is our ability to leverage our best practice, configuration and organizational insight that emanates from our Benchmarking and Advisory business. Our empirically-based message helps our software partners to be successful in positioning there business value of their software, when their product is optimally configured, targeting the appropriate information and also by taking advantage of our best practice insights to organize their business most effectively. Additionally, our increased focus on application managed services, which was highlighted with the addition of our EPM, AMS services group in early 2014, has also provided us with both the opportunity to serve clients after they go live in both Oracle and SAP groups. This extension of capability in…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question here comes from Morris Ajzenman. Your line is now open.

Morris Ajzenman

Analyst

Hey, Ted, Rob.

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

Hey, Morris.

Rob Ramirez

Chief Financial Officer

Hey, Morris.

Morris Ajzenman

Analyst

On the CIMA thing, I know you can’t say too much, but nonetheless, what are your share cost until those things up and running and when do you think it will be up and running this offering?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

Well, I think if things go according to plan, our goal is to have to a fully defined strategy with CIMA by sometime in the fall. Again, if it goes according to plan, this will allow us to develop a complete suite of professional development and training programs for individuals, who reside in shared service or global business service centers. We think that addressable market is approximately $5 million. And if we were able to jointly capture some of that, that a group of students that needed our training and hopefully our certification, which is the goal, is to become the certifying standard for those individuals at work in those environments, we could build a very substantial business. We are early in those conversations. We have been working with them for several months to develop the overall opportunity. There is the process that’s required to develop these programs and to also approve to get the necessary approval and certification that would only make these programs, training programs more valuable and really encourage those who take our programs to stay with us on a continuous basis. So, that’s what we are working on. So we think it’s a meaningful opportunity. So specifically answer your question, the beautiful part about that opportunity is this is an organization who reached out to us, because they believe that launching these training programs is critical to the changing work environment as the transition of those employees that are moving from functional corporate groups into these large shared service centers and global business centers. And our hope is to try to build an equipment business to the one they built in trying to provide training and testing and certification for management accounts the way they do globally. And if we do that, then this will be a huge success. More importantly, they came to us because they believe that the intellectual capital, the detailed information required to know what individuals do in those large centers across all of the back-office functions resides uniquely with Hackett and then the access and credibility of those individuals to recede that kind of information, whether it’s the development guys and the ultimate training and tests that they would receive to know that they are getting that from information that is provided by Hackett and continuously updated by Hackett. And their minds made this a very meaningful collaboration. So stay tuned. It would be the best that I could tell you.

Morris Ajzenman

Analyst

And on the alliances, which is HPE, is it your hope to have an announcement sometimes in 2015 as it relates to an alliance?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

Well, we are hoping because we have been working really now for nearly a year to find a software alliance partner for HPE. So we continue to work on that diligently, as well as we continue to work and discuss how other software companies can leverage our IP to strengthen their go-to market. So as I mentioned in the first quarter, we would expect to have some of these things, some of these proof points unfold during 2015 and we continue to believe that.

Morris Ajzenman

Analyst

One last question and I’ll get back in queue. ERP utilization rate year-over-year dropped from 76% to 72%, yet the gross billing rate per hour was up 11.8%, $127 to $142. Just kind of talk to me about how should we see that play out in the future?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

Well, I really can vary significantly by the type of engagements we take on the scale. If you’re getting -- sometimes if you’re getting smaller engagements, you’re able to yield a higher rate. It also depends on the mix, the offshore to onshore mix. So those things can impact the utilization, as well as the rate per hour in the SAP Group. So one thing that I can tell you is that that group’s profitability continues to improve. The AMS or recurring revenue portion, which actually comes at a higher gross margins that are implementation business for SAP, also has continued to grow and it just bodes well for the continuing improvement that we speak to an envision for the remainder of 2015.

Morris Ajzenman

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Mr. George Sutton. Your line is now open, sir.

George Sutton

Analyst

Thank you. Ted, I wanted to focus my questions on Europe if we could. Europe, we really saw the first improvement we’ve seen in a while and you did reference some easy comps. I’m wondering if there is something more to the strength you saw in Europe this quarter?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

Well, look I mean, we clearly improved the operating performance in Europe throughout all of 2014 and into the first quarter. So when we look at where we were a year go to the day in total, our performance as well as reducing the operating cost as we did a year ago have benefited our overall European results. Look, we think the environment has really not changed much but we never complained about the activity in Europe really being weak. We just know that it can be volatile, things that can be in the pipeline. European tend to remake things and on as proactive as the clients that we normally interact with here in the U.S. and sometimes that has impacted our performance. But all in all, our execution has improved, the growth did improve. By the way, the comps were favorable but I also want you to know, they were hammered. Our results were hammered by the significant FX changes relative to euro on pound, which are the two primary currencies that we do business within Europe. So, look overall year-over-year Europe has made improvement and our hope is that it continues to do that. But as we have said to our investors and we’ve shared with you, George, over the last 12 months, we’ll plan Europe cautiously and make sure that we don't expect them to outperform until we see the result actually realized. And we’ll continue to really ride the very strong U.S. demand and momentum that we've been experiencing now for sometime. And also its not only improved momentum, I mean, you’re seeing not only that momentum improved but I mean -- I hope it wasn’t miss that the strong gross margin, the 470 basis point improvement in gross margin and the 400 to 500 basis point improvement that we expect in the Hackett related business on a year-over-year basis to continue to Q2. So I mean, it’s improved execution, strong U.S. demand and stable to improving Europe results.

George Sutton

Analyst

So you mentioned you were playing to expand capabilities in Europe. I wondered if you could be more specific there?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

Well, we want to continue to invest in EPM. We started a year ago by bringing in an EPM, overall leader that had EPM capabilities. We move people from the U.S. to Europe. We’ve been hiring people in the EPM state. And we want to continue to do that in Europe. And we also started seeing some demand and made some investment, had some multinational engagement last year in the procurement space. And so we’re going to look, we’re going to look to continue to invest in Europe across these areas where we know we’re having great success in the U.S. throughout 2015. We will do that judiciously. We will do that carefully but we will continue to invest in Europe.

George Sutton

Analyst

Lastly for me, I’m not sure if its congratulations or I’m just look -- going down memory lane with respect to the executive advisory base. I can't remember what the initial goals you had or the number of customers or the number of programs. But 295 and 950 sounds almost like a milestone and I just wanted to get the relevant numbers from you.

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

Not yet, not yet. My initial goals were 500 clients and 1,000 members. So we’re approaching it on the member side, but we still have a ways to go on the client side. Let see, if some of the new vendors and initiative we’re working with will help of it some of that, George, as we -- as 2015 unfold.

George Sutton

Analyst

Okay. Appreciate the help.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Mr. Bill Sutherland. Your line is now open.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Thanks very much. So, Ted, the revenue per professional was up very nicely 11%. Wanted just to get your thoughts -- some color on that please?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

Well, I’ve got to tell you, all of our practice leaders are just really doing a better job in not only competing for business, but also what I’ll call resource management in every aspect of business. Our COO, David Dungan works closely with all of them and I can tell you that at the beginning of 2014 we made a statement that we would improve our execution across all dimension and that was a combination of revenue growth and also building out our pyramid a little bit more efficiently. What you are seeing is a manifestation of all those efforts, improved go-to-market execution by leveraging the IP -- the unique strengths of Hackett, so our ability to compete for business. I think the confidence from our channel partners is improving. I mean, they know that they can take us to market when they have a client that’s really I’ll call it doesn’t fully realize the value of their software and that we can use our IP to help them respond to some of those questions just very, very credibly and that helps us the downstream revenue and just day-to-day blocking and tackling. But it’s a combination of those things that we’ve really been talking for a while and they all just continue to be -- they continue to come together. It always helps to have improving demand and that activity in the U.S. and our ability to compete. I mean all of these things are just working very well for us. Not to say we are anywhere near firing on all cylinders, but clearly year-over-year improvement. And even when you look at year-over-year guidance, our execution is just significantly better. I mean a lot of people are using FX headwind to talk about revising guidance downward. I mean everything we’ve done since the beginning of 2014, in spite of FX, which is significant, if you’ve got a European operation the way we do. I mean we are just powering through that we are very proud of it.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

So it’s not necessarily rates or utilization. But which is having a more prominent impact on the…

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

No, no. We are definite -- I would say its utilization without a doubt. I can't say that, I mean, we are seeing in some areas improving rates and I think that's when we position IP and our total value to proposition a little bit better than just tactical execution of a project. So I would say that there is a little bit of that. But it’s just -- its revenue growth and just a smarter resource planning and targeting an improved pyramid, the combination of those three things. So it is utilization, its win and it’s managing our average COS more effectively as well.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

No. You all don’t provide a utilization number for The Hackett side and what's, I mean, do you want to tell us kind of where you run there or is that...

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

We really don’t and the part of the reason we don’t and talk about revenue per professional is because of the way some of our people can migrate and assist with some of the areas that are not rate based like our benchmarking and executive advisory offerings, which are purely, if you want to call factory based, where people even some of the groups can move in and out to assist in the delivery of those.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Right.

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

But I would say that, we’ve improved it. But similar to our pyramid, it would not be at the levels that you would hear are largest competitors boost or speak to. So we still have gross margin opportunity.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Okay. Just a couple of housekeeping items for me. The quarterly billable days, is that worth -- Rob, is that worth tracking for the quarters?

Rob Ramirez

Chief Financial Officer

We usually talk about it when it’s material.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Okay. So they are roughly even this year?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

No, we even on the year-over-year basis.

Rob Ramirez

Chief Financial Officer

Correct. Year-over-year, it’s sequential where you will have an impact.

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

That's a highest in Q1 right than your vacations start to kick in a little bit more as you get into that latter part of Q2.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Right.

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

You then have significant vacation in Europe in Q3 and obviously some in the U.S. And then you have the holiday period in Q4, in the Q4 period.

Rob Ramirez

Chief Financial Officer

Remember this year Bill the impact wasn’t as great as it’s in prior years because we have that extra week in Q4 of 2014.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

So you are comping against, you do have one last week this year?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

On a fiscal year basis.

Rob Ramirez

Chief Financial Officer

Correct.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Right, but in terms of your reported, that’s Q4 number?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

I mean, in reported FQ4 number.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

You’ll be down one week.

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

Yes, because -- yes, we will this year, but this year what we find out is that when you are in that last week, it was a breakeven, that additional week was a breakeven for us.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

I can imagine.

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

So I’d love to say that it created an advantage in Q4 or that it disadvantages us -- it disadvantages us slightly on revenue on a Q4 to Q4 fiscal year basis, but it does not disadvantage us on our profitability basis, on a full fiscal year basis.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Okay. And then last Rob roughly what are the non-cash items that you are assuming in your pro forma gross margin SG&A?

Rob Ramirez

Chief Financial Officer

Sorry, your non-cash stock-compensation expense.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

That's the main ones, yes.

Rob Ramirez

Chief Financial Officer

That's going to be the big in the current quarter.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

And just kind of is that just kind of last year’s number I mean, I just -- if it’s -- for the first quarter, it was quite different?

Rob Ramirez

Chief Financial Officer

Are you specifically talking gross margin gross, gross margin was really non-cash stock-compensation expense.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Yes. And I am just saying in the first quarter it was quite a bit higher than typical and particularly when you included the acquisition related comp, I am just asking kind of what kind of number to plug in there, that's all for Q2?

Rob Ramirez

Chief Financial Officer

I would assume this current run rate at this juncture, Bill.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Say it again.

Rob Ramirez

Chief Financial Officer

I would assume this current run rate at this juncture.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

So with the acquisition comp, it was $1.3 million right, the first quarter?

Rob Ramirez

Chief Financial Officer

Right. That's correct.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Okay. And the same for all the quarters this year?

Rob Ramirez

Chief Financial Officer

Yes.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

All right. Interesting. Thank you, gentlemen. Good quarter. Thanks.

Rob Ramirez

Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Bill.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Mr. Jeff Martin. Your line is now open, sir.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

Thanks. Good afternoon. Ted, could you characterize? I know you’ve said the decision making environment in Europe is volatile. You said that for a couple quarters now. How would you characterize the decision making environment in North America?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

We think it’s solid. We think it’s been unchanged. In fact, we didn’t think it was -- even when we had that negative GDP quarter at the beginning of 2014, I really do believe that people really either blame that on weather, but they did not change anyone’s prospects or the business plans in anyway. So no, we are expecting the U.S. activity to remain solid. And we expect decision making to be consistent with what I will call North American based culture. It will be proactive unless you have some meaningful disruptions for them to change other way.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

Okay. And then with the AMS side of the business growing 25%, it would be helpful to know what ballpark the revenue basis on that?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

I think what was that Rob that we provided? What’s the annualized contract value? Okay, it’s $16 million to $17 million, Rob said.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

Okay.

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

And that’s probably would be pretty equally split between SAP and [indiscernible] Groups, yes.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

And you mentioned it’s got stronger margin. Are we talking several basis points stronger or even more than that?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

Yes. There were in the 45% to 50% area. They are now very good.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

Okay. And then, can you help characterize what typical software sales are on the ERP side of the business? You have a tough comp in the second quarter. It would be helpful to know if there is a general level on a quarterly basis or an annualized basis, what that number is?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

I’d say on an annual basis, they are normally run about $3 million. But last year, they were higher than that because of the activity we experienced in Q4. So typically, you're saying about -- if they were perfectly -- if they all fell across perfectly, which they never do, you are having some number between $500,000 and a $1 million of reseller, if you want to call it revenue for us but it varies per quarter.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

Okay.

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

This is per quarter. Last year, we just had -- we actually got off to a pretty bad start. If you go back and look at the SAP sales for that previous two or three quarters, comps for SAP were kind of weak and they were being affected by lower reseller sales. And we saw that reseller activity really spike up in Q2 and stay pretty nice, not at the Q2 levels but stay strong through Q3 and Q4 of last year. So, we are almost making up for some, if you want to call it not too good of a previous 12 months period before we hit second quarter of last year. So it was total and then we had one significant deal as well.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

Got it. And then last question is on CIMA, you referred the 5 million addressable market, I assume that’s 5 million people?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

5 million people. We think that CIMA and Hackett could pursue together. And if you were able to get a [participant], you then decide what kind of penetration rate you think you could have. We obviously have plans for those things, if we are able to get everything done then we would like to during 2015. But I will wait for some of that to develop before I get a little bit ahead of myself. But suffice to say that if we are able to put together the kind of vision that we're working towards, there is a very substantial opportunity available to us and CIMA.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

Okay. And then help us to understand, once you kind of get the strategy formulated and the types of training programs you're going to develop. In terms of the go-to market strategy, what kind of timeline is a reasonable expectation to introduce that and then eventually start signing people upon?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

We believe that we actually have one offering that they had developed that we’ve been -- I’ll say it, rewriting or improving along with them. That is going to be -- that is ready and should be ready to go to market sometime this summer. That will be an entry-level program, but we're hoping to develop something much more comprehensive and more broadly. But we need to make sure that we have other things in place that will allow us to move from a vision to full certification capability, which is really then creates -- it allows us to play a very strong hand and will allow us to pursue a certain, if you want to call it peace of that addressable market very aggressively. But look, if that venture -- given the opportunity available and the fact that our primary contribution is intellectual capital and secondarily is sales support, if that business was to get off the ground in 2016 and build any kind of something any -- if you wan to call it 0 to 5 million or 0 to something greater I don’t know. And we were sharing that with CIMA because of the operating margins in that business. Look, it could be nicely accretive to us in ‘16 and if we were able to get all that done this year.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

And I would assume those are IP-type margins?

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

They would be IP-type margins. Our contributions would be entirely IP, or the review of the content and the courses and the test and all that with existing people. So, we would expect a significant -- it would be IP-type margins or operating margins. They would be significantly -- we would be targeting significantly higher operating margins than we do in our current business.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

Sure. Okay. Sounds great. Thanks Ted.

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

All right. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

At this time, I show no further questions. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Fernandez.

Ted Fernandez

Chairman

Thank you. Let me thank everyone again for participating in our first quarter earnings call. We look forward to updating you again once we closed the second quarter. Thanks again for participating.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for participating in today's conference call.