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Heritage Financial Corporation (HFWA)

Q3 2016 Earnings Call· Sat, Oct 29, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Heritage Financial Quarterly Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I'll now like to turn the conference over to CEO, Brian Vance. Please go ahead.

Brian Vance

Analyst

Thank you, Tom, appreciate it. Welcome to all who have called in and those who may listen in later in a recording mode. Attending with me this morning is Don Hinson, our CFO; Jeff Deuel, our President and Chief Operating Officer; and Brian McDonald, Chief Lending Officer. Our earnings press release went out this morning in a pre-market release and hopefully you've got an opportunity to review the release prior to the call. And as we go through the call, and also through a Q&A session later, I would ask that you refer to the forward-looking statements in that particular press release. Like to first go through some highlights of our third quarter results. Diluted earnings per common share were $0.37 for the quarter ended September 30, compared to $0.32 for the quarter ended September 30, 2015, and $0.30 for the linked quarter ended June 30. Heritage declared a regular cash dividend of $0.12 per common share and a special cash dividend of $0.25 per common share on October 26, 2016. Return on average asset was 1.16% and return on average tangible common equity was 11.99% for the quarter ended September 30. Total loan receivables net increased $52.6 million or 2.1% in Q3 and increased $176.5 million or 7.4%, or 9.9% annualized, year-to-date. Non-performing assets decreased $3.9 million or 25.2% to $11.5 million or 0.30% of total assets at September 30. I'd like to turn the call over to Don and he will cover a few items from our balance sheet and financial statement. Don?

Don Hinson

Analyst

Thanks, Brian. I'll start on the balance sheet. As Brian mentioned, we had another strong quarter of loan growth with net loans growing 8.4% on an annualized basis for Q3 and year-to-date loans having grown 9.9% on an annualized basis. The loan growth for the quarter was funded by an increase in deposits of $83.5 million. As a result of the strong deposit growth during Q3, our loan deposit ratio decreased slightly to 78.9% from 79.2% at the prior quarter end. Our loan deposit ratio has still shown nice improvement from the 76.6% at year-end. During the quarter, the percentage of demand deposits to total deposits increased to 26.7% from 26.0% at the prior quarter end and total non-maturity deposits to total deposits increased to 88.6% from 87.7% at the prior quarter end. We continue to experience a runoff in CD balances due to the low rate environment. Moving on to some credit quality metrics, we saw a nice overall improvement in credit quality in the loan portfolio. Non-performing loans decreased $2.3 million to 0.45% of total loans at September 30, from 0.55% at June 30. Non-performing assets to total assets also decreased to 0.30% as of September 30, from 0.41% at June 30. The ratio of our allowance for loan losses to non-performing loans still stands at a very healthy 262%. In addition, included in the carrying value of the loans are $14.7 million of purchase accounting net discounts, which may reduce the needs on allowance for loan losses on those related purchased loans. Due to recoveries of loans charged off earlier in the year, we recognized net recoveries of $290,000 for Q3. In addition, we disposed the last of our OREO properties during Q3, realizing a net gain of $131,000 in the process. Our net margin for Q3…

Bryan McDonald

Analyst

Thanks, Don. Today, I'm going to provide additional detail on our third quarter lending results by production area, as well some specific color on our King County growth initiative. In the third quarter, commercial teams closed $158.8 million of new loans, which is down from $211 million closed in the second quarter of 2016 and $210 million closed in the third quarter of 2015. Gross loan totals increased during the quarter by $54 million as a result of the strong level of origination. Line utilization at the end of the third quarter was 35.9% versus 36.9% for the second quarter and 34.6% for the first quarter of 2016. The utilization percentage the last four quarters is down from the 38% to 39% range, which had been more typical the prior two years. The decrease in the utilization rate resulted in a $13.5 million reduction to outstanding loan balances versus last quarter end. Commercial team pipelines ended the third quarter at $248 million, down from $273 million at the end of the second quarter and $310 million at the end of the first quarter. Moving on to interest rates. Average third quarter interest rate for new commercial loans was 3.66% and the average third quarter rate for total loans was 3.89%. SBA 7(a) production in the third quarter included eight loans for $2 million and the pipeline ended the quarter at $14.8 million. This compares to the second quarter of 2016 when we closed 21 loans for $7.3 million and the pipeline ended at $13.5 million. Consumer production during the quarter was $43.4 million, which is in line with the prior two quarters. The second quarter production was $41.4 million and the first quarter production was $42.8 million. The mortgage department closed $50.5 million of new loans during the third quarter…

Brian Vance

Analyst

Thank you, Bryan. In addition to continuing our regular quarterly dividend of $0.12, we have announced a special dividend of $0.25. This follows special annual dividends we have paid each year since 2011. Our tangible book value per share has increased 8.5% year-over-year since September of 2015, which is net of a higher than peer average dividend payout ratio. We continue to believe our strong capital position sufficiently supports our balance sheet risk, our internal growth and potential future growth for both organic and M&A and it also supports a capital management strategy that we have employed for the past several years. I'd like to make a few comments about discount accretion. Because we doubled the size of our company in May of 2014 with the Washington Banking Company merger, we have had an abnormal amount of discount accretion favorably impacting our earnings. When we closed our transaction with Washington Banking Company, we had a total of approximately $50 million in discounts on purchased loans on our balance sheet. As of September 30, these discounts had reduced to $14.7 million. As this discount is accreted, we must find ways to replace this revenue in order to grow our revenue. This accounting issue has muted our stated EPS growth. To illustrate this, our 2016 year-over-year reported EPS growth for the nine months ended September 30 is 4.3%. However, by backing up the impact of discount accretion for both years, this EPS growth is approximately 10.5%. We believe this illustrates the internal non-accretive EPS growth of our company. I realize other banks have also experienced this accounting phenomenon, but I believe because we doubled the size of our company the discount accretion issue has had an abnormal impact on our stated earnings than most of our peers. Furthermore, we estimate that 80%…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we’ll go to the line of Jeff Rulis with D.A. Davidson.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

Just wanted to kind of delve into the margin on the core discussion in the release, just kind of talking about additional pressure there. I guess in those comments, does that assume rate hikes in that discussion?

Don Hinson

Analyst

I'm sorry. What comment is that, Jeff?

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

In the press release, just talking about loan yields and further pressure. We can -- separate from the release, just broadly speaking the margin outlook and the impact of additional rates, you remind us on the sensitivity. I think it's fairly neutral, maybe a little on the liability side. I can't recall, but just update us on the margin outlook, the impact of rates and a little color there would be great.

Don Hinson

Analyst

Again, we are pretty neutral interest rate sensitivity on that. I think, again if we have small increases like a 25 basis point increase, that does help us some. But even with that, if that's all there is, I think we'll still feel a little bit of pressure on the margin side, but probably less so than we did if rates stayed where they are. If we get another 25 basis point on top of that, I think another 50 basis points could possibly level out the decline in our margins. So that's kind of where I see that right now. I do see that -- I think there is a 50% chance right now that the markets factoring in a 25 basis point increase in December. And if that happens, I think it will slow the decline. But I think it's going to decline, but it's not going to decline quickly. I think we're starting to hit an equilibrium there on the decline of our margins, especially if we get one or two increases in the rate.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

Brian Vance, I guess on the dividend, the special dividend, you've talked about capital management, it's sort of one of the tools. But I guess as that relates to M&A, is there any indication of kind of any frustration or any -- I guess things not coming together, is it just a quarter-to-quarter capital management strategy?

Brian Vance

Analyst

I think it's more of a -- not only a quarter-to-quarter, but probably a fairly consistent special dividend management strategy that we've had. As I indicated, we've had a special dividend at least once for each of the past year since 2011. So I think it's probably more of that than anything in obviously, speaking to the continuing strong capital position of the Bank. Is there frustration on the M&A side? Yes, it's -- we closed the transaction with Washington Banking Company in May of 2014, it's been over two years. I think that the M&A activity has been slower in the Pacific Northwest the last couple of years. I do see that activity, I won't say necessarily increasing, but I think that there is going to be some continuing M&A activity and to the extent that there is, we will always be involved in those discussions, and as those opportunities become available, we're seeking them out. I think we may see a little bit of activity in ‘17. But I think it's probably going to be on about the same pace that it has been in the last year or two.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

Maybe related to that, and the last question is just that, and I think you guys touched on it, was the just sort of talent acquisition, maybe the temperature of what's out there in availabilities. Is it a fierce sort of marketplace to get people on to the platform or how are those conversations going in terms of talent acquisition?

Brian Vance

Analyst

I'll give you a big picture view and Bryan can give you a little bit more color. Certainly, that has been an active part of our organic growth strategies, especially in King County, in growing out the Seattle piece. It continues to be a part of our overall strategy throughout the footprint and I think that Bryan and others have been pretty active in this. What you probably don't see is, is that there are lenders that retire and move on et cetera and we're constantly replacing those, but we're constantly on the outlook for lenders throughout the footprint. Bryan, other thoughts?

Bryan McDonald

Analyst

Yeah, I think, Brian hit the key points, we’ve really -- been really active in the market, all the time, looking for quality talent and people that are looking for a good long-term opportunities that are a good cultural fit to the Bank and those bankers that have come across that meet on those elements that's been a really positive experience for them as well. So, from a reputation standpoint, the Bank has a good reputation and other bankers are open to talking to us when we're recruiting. And as Brian noted, when we have openings, we accelerate those recruiting efforts to look, to fill them, but the general comment I'd make is the Bank is well received by the other bankers in the market and we're really looking for people that are looking for a good long-term opportunity to have a cultural fit with the Bank.

Brian Vance

Analyst

Jeff, I would add to that comment as well. For the first time in this call, we detailed some numbers for all of you for our Seattle expansion. And then I think when we look back on that, which is just a little over a year old now, we've got almost a total of $500 million in the loans and deposits with that strategy. It's working and then we're very pleased with the results of that. So that continues to show us the value of finding lenders that as Bryan just talked about, fit with our culture to continue to grow the organic side of the Bank.

Operator

Operator

And we’ll go to the line of Matthew Clark with Piper Jaffray.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

First one, just on the weighted average rate on new production, just curious what it was this quarter. I think it was 4.06% last quarter.

Bryan McDonald

Analyst

Yes. It was 3.89% on total loans for the quarter. And it was 4.06% in Q2, that's correct.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

Okay. Is that more just of a mix change or is that just incremental pressure?

Bryan McDonald

Analyst

Yes, you probably saw we did a number, an elevated number of swaps during the quarter and those are of course all LIBOR-based and so that had an impact on that average rate this quarter.

Brian Vance

Analyst

Tend to be lower rates, but of course variable to the Bank, so there's value there.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

And on non-interest expense, I think you guys have done a good job of keeping that run rate in that $26.5 million to $27 million range for almost two years now. Just curious what your thoughts are on the expense outlook as we get into next year in that related run rate?

Brian Vance

Analyst

Yes. As I said in my comments Matthew, we have -- and I appreciate you noting that as well, improving the overhead ratio for some time now and it is our intent to continue to do that. I think we ended Q3 at 2.81%. Don, is that right 2.81% overhead? We need to continue to move that lower, I think on a run rate basis by the end of 2017, we need to be in the 2.70% range. I don't know -- I don't recall, I know we've done a lot of analysis to this, but I think expenses essentially if we are to remain in that 2.7% range of overhead is, will essentially remain flat again. Is that a fair statement Don?

Don Hinson

Analyst

Correct. Yes. Year-over-year.

Brian Vance

Analyst

Yeah, year-over-year.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

And your reserve coverage ticked up this quarter, kind of looks like it changed direction at least after the last couple. Just curious with the reserve build you did here this quarter and I think the increase in potential problem loans, that $10 million, just wondering if you are looking to step up coverage ratios from here or just kind of keep them in this range?

Bryan McDonald

Analyst

Well, Matthew, as I always remind our investors, this is a credit quality or deterioration, whatever the case may be, it's never linear. I think we go back to Q2 for us and we had a sizable charge-off and we had a sizable recovery. I think there's lots of ebbs and flow. As I think consistently stated, as we move through this year, I continue to be very comfortable with the credit -- overall credit quality of our portfolio, potential problem loans ticking up don't necessarily concern me. I think that's just an active management of the portfolio, as we see weaknesses develop, downgrade loans, et cetera. So we're moving loans out as well all the time. I think as it pertains to just the overall allowance or coverage, it did move up a little bit and I think probably it's more really a nod to the strong loan growth for the last several quarters than anything. And I think additionally as the discount accretion runs off, because there's a portion of that, that is for credit quality, I think that that needs to also be reflected and maybe a slight increase in the overall allowance as some of that discount runs off. So I think it's a combination of a lot of things. So I'd guess I would just leave you with the thought that I continue to have very strong confidence in the overall credit quality performance of the company.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

Okay, and just the last one from me. You mentioned the crane, the indicator in Seattle. Just curious, which banks are financing that high-rise construction?

Brian Vance

Analyst

Most of the cranes in Seattle, and I realize that this information people will take differently. But I think when we're talking about Seattle proper, most of that is -- actually most of it is residential cranes, in other words cranes for high-rise apartments, high rise condos those sorts of things, which has really been a tech fueled process, and primarily from Amazon. And that's not national money, that's not being funded with local banks. So for the most part that doesn't affect regional banks. I don't think regional banks are necessarily lending on that. I wouldn't say that there isn't some of that, but I think it's a relatively small portion. I think where it does affect the industry is there’s always the ripple effect in the valuations, the cap rates, those sorts of things have a tendency to affect outlying markets, which then that does affect regional lenders, community bank lenders, and it affects the cap rates and the valuations. And so I think that's where we need to especially be careful with, as we look at other projects. But that downtown Seattle stuff is mostly national REIT money that sort of thing.

Operator

Operator

And next we’ll go to the line of Jacque Bohlen with KBW.

Jacque Bohlen

Analyst

Bryan, I know that this is a very difficult question to answer, but do you have an indication on, given that we're about a month into the quarter, on what your swap income might look like in 4Q? Meaning, I know 3Q was elevated, but do you expect it to stay elevated or should it trend back down?

Bryan McDonald

Analyst

We have a pipeline on the swap side going into the quarter in terms of notional just under $40 million. So, we do expect strong swap income as that closes. Q3 was certainly our highest quarter to-date at the 742. So depending on how much of that pipeline we close, it would likely be below that number. Again, difficult to predict exactly when those will close. And this is something that a program we've started last year and we had some swaps closed in the second half of the year and are using it to contend with some of the more competitive 10-year fixed rates being offered by the competitors, particularly with the yield curve so flat -- better than putting on high 3s 10-year fixed rate.

Jacque Bohlen

Analyst

No, understood completely. The ramp-up that you're seeing, is it driven more by interest rates or more by maturity of the program?

Bryan McDonald

Analyst

It's both. There's just an increasing demand for long-term fixed rates out in the market, just because they are so low. And so as loans come up for renewal or we're looking at new projects there just seems to be an increasing number of competitors providing a 10-year option. I'm not saying everyone is doing it. It is just over time with rates low, the demands continued and then more people offering that. Customers are seeking it. And again, with the yield curve so flat, at least as it becomes real competitive, we tend to look more to the swap option versus a portfolio option as a way to contend with that.

Jacque Bohlen

Analyst

And then, Brain Vance, I know in the past we have discussed the concentrations that you have by portfolio, by geography within the individual portfolios. Has any of those that you have in place, have there been any changes over the last 90 days?

Brian Vance

Analyst

No, I think we've -- I mentioned in my comments, Jacque, that we remain very vigilant in managing concentrations, as you just noted, in a variety of ways. I think that there are some buckets that we have seen increase in the last -- I'll say quarter or two. And then that would be generally the construction -- commercial construction buckets have increased, as you would expect with my comments on just the general construction activity in the area. And when we break that down, it's a little bit of everything. There are some multi-family, although we have had a moratorium on multi-family lending. There is still some stuff that is flowing through that. There is some office construction, very little single-family construction, but a little bit, and that's building slightly. But it's still just a very small part of the overall concentration. So I think other than just the construction changes, Bryan, can you think of any other changes in that bucket?

Bryan McDonald

Analyst

That's the most dramatic. If you look at the pipeline differences from earlier in the year, just we had a lot of construction in the pipeline, kind of coming into the year and then as we closed out that pipeline, we haven't filled with this quickly and just trying to settle out our exposures in some of those categories, not all of them. So that's been the biggest impact in 2016 as related to the construction.

Brian Vance

Analyst

And I would add for everyone's benefit that when we talk about a moratorium on multi-family, it is not necessarily to suggest that we have concerns about that market, because as I also said in my comments, the new stuff that is coming online has been quickly absorbed. There's just not an issue. But what we're doing is just managing our concentration level. We are just saying, as in with any loan type, we do not want to build an improper concentration in any one loan type. So I don't want people to think that we have concerns about multi-family, it's just that we've set that level and that's where we're managing to.

Jacque Bohlen

Analyst

And do you have a sense, and I realize it's a very difficult question, but do you have a sense for how much the concentration levels that you would hereto are muting your overall loan growth?

Brian Vance

Analyst

That's a difficult one, the answer is you just suggested, Jacque. We could obviously grow loans stronger than the pace that we are growing. I said basically 10% on a year-to-date basis, that's a strong loan growth. I realize that some folks are growing more than we are. As I always remind folks that if you're growing loans at -- pick a number 10% and GDP is growing at 2%, you're stealing 8% of the business, you better be stealing the right 8%. So I think that as we look at our markets, which are strong and we have a lot of confidence in our markets, not only today, but I think really throughout ‘17, we have a pretty good feel about where our loan growth is, where our loan growth will be coming for the next year. So while we feel good about that, I think we need to be very prudent with all of our loan decisions. The valuation issues that I addressed a little bit ago in terms of real estate valuations and their increases, I think that anybody needs to make sure that you're dealing with cap rates you're comfortable with, not only today, but on a long-term basis, the appraisal which you're looking at, is it valid. And then what's your underwriting rates on the loans and I think that as we apply those judgmental factors, whether it's an underwriting rate, whether it's a concentration risk, whether it's a cap rate or appraisal issue, sometimes that screens out loans, that screens out production. And that's why I continue to feel very strongly about the quality of our overall portfolio. And I feel strongly about the growth, not only today, but for the next, I'll say, 15 months or so. So I don't want anybody to feel that we are negative on growth, because we're really not, but I also think that we are prudently managing the growth as well.

Jeff Deuel

Analyst

Jacque, it's Jeff. I think another way to characterize it is we have not changed the way we approach the market. As kind of the final words Brian historically has talked about, we focus on the middle of the fairway, and that's the message we still deliver to our lending team and I think we're pretty focused on staying there.

Operator

Operator

Next, we’ll go to the line of Tim O'Brien with Sandler O'Neill.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

Bryan, another way to look at what you were talking about relative to what Jeff gave as far as the remaining purchase discount accretions, Jeff said there was about $16 million remaining in purchase discount accretion, is that correct?

Jeff Deuel

Analyst

About $14.7 million.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

Bryan, you said that by the end of ‘17, I guess based on accretion schedules that $50 million number, purchase accretion number that you had several years ago after the WBCO deal that's going to be down by 80% by the end of ‘17, or call it -- it will be $10 million. So it's a better way to back in about $4 million in scheduled accretion from now through the remainder of ‘17, is that a fair way to look at it?

Bryan McDonald

Analyst

Yes, but it's an estimate. And so, please keep that in mind.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

Scheduled right, Bryan?

Bryan McDonald

Analyst

No, it's not scheduled, but because we can't predict it. But it's certainly an estimate. Don is it --

Don Hinson

Analyst

Well, scheduled is the fact that -- it's always dropping, but like we have seen in prior quarters, sometimes we get a large payoff that can pop that up and it does happen obviously. We have some quarters that are higher than others, even though we think it's going to drop. This last quarter, we've got $1.6 million. I would say, again, the next few quarters, we're going to see it -- in the next couple of quarters maybe between $1 million and $1.5 million and after that drop under [ph] $1 million. And so that's why I think that it's going to be -- 80% is -- it could be actually more than 80% down, it could be under $10 million by the end of ‘17.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

And then actually, Jeff, or actually Don, you mentioned this that prepay piece of NII that you guys captured, was that one loan or was that more than one loan?

Don Hinson

Analyst

Yes, that was just one loan.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

And how big was that on a dollar basis?

Bryan McDonald

Analyst

I think it was around $10 million.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

The loan, not the prepayment penalty. That was the loan, total loan. What was the prepayment portion that rolled to NII?

Don Hinson

Analyst

About $249,000.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

On a $10 million loan?

Don Hinson

Analyst

Yes.

Bryan McDonald

Analyst

Roughly $10 million.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

And then a question for Brian. Can you remind us what your last -- you've, in the past, kind of given indications about your outlook or a range of where loan growth might come in for the year and you've alluded to maybe having a better sense of that. Now what was the last guidance range you gave for loan growth for ‘16, and any comments on any changes you might make to that guidance from here?

Brian Vance

Analyst

We've been really consistent at 6% to 8%. Obviously, we're running at year-to-date 9.9%. I don't think that we're going to end the year in a double-digit growth range, I think at the same time I think we will probably exceed our guidance. That's the reason we're being a little hazy on this. There's a couple of things. One is that our pipeline is cyclical, and the pipeline has -- as in Brian's comments, has trended down a little bit. We get some Ag payoffs in the fourth quarter. Things just slowed down up here in the winter months. And so I think as we go through the Q4, loan growth, I think is certainly going to -- not certainly -- likely to exceed our guidance of 6% to 8%. I think as we move into ‘17, I'm probably going to stick to my 6% to 8% guidance at this point. But again, we remain very, very confident and optimistic about the Pacific Northwest in all those numbers I shared with you, just in terms of growth. But that's probably what I would say at this point, have we not completed our budget yet for 2017.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

And kind of speaking to your forecasting ability, who's going to win the PAC-12 in football this year?

Brian Vance

Analyst

Well, of course, Utah at 7 and 0, I think they got a good shot at it. But if -- we're going to bore everyone else on the call here, but Utah and Washington State are the only two undefeated teams in the PAC 12. And then I can add my Boise State Broncos to that, because they're undefeated in PAC-12 play at 2 and 0 as well. There you go. That's a good one for you Tim. End of Q&A

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] There are no further questions in the queue.

Brian Vance

Analyst

Tom, we appreciate everyone calling and appreciate you hosting the call. And we may see some of our investors -- I know we'll see some of our investors next week at an investor conference down in Southern California. So look forward to discussions there as well. Thanks everybody. This concludes our call today.

Operator

Operator

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