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Heritage Financial Corporation (HFWA)

Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Sun, Oct 27, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Heritage Financial third quarter earnings call. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, the conference is being recorded. And I would now like to turn the conference over to our host, President and CEO, Mr. Jeff Deuel. Please go ahead.

Jeff Deuel

Management

Thank you, Lori. Welcome to all who called in and those who may listen later, this is Jeff Deuel, CEO of Heritage. Attending with me are Don Hinson, our CFO; and Bryan McDonald, our Chief Operating Officer. Our earnings press release went out this morning premarket, and hopefully, you have had an opportunity to review it prior to the call. Please refer to the forward-looking statements in the press release. We're pleased with our progress as we continue to build our franchise and generate attractive financial results for our shareholders. As you know, we've made significant investments in Seattle, Bellevue and Portland and we're seeing the benefits of the two acquisitions we completed in 2018 as well as the teams we've added in those markets. Together, the Seattle, Bellevue and Portland markets represent significant opportunities for Heritage and we believe we have positioned ourselves well to continue to execute in those markets. We also see good performance in our traditional markets along the I-5 Corridor. Despite significant loan production, our net loan growth continued to be a challenge due to the elevated loan payoffs. On the bright side, the loan portfolio pipeline has grown nicely and we have strong originations -- had strong originations during the quarter. We believe we have laid down a good foundation, which we will -- which will continue to produce attractive results for our company in the future. While we have continued to see competition for deposits in the third quarter, our loan-to-deposit ratio of 82% has enabled us to carefully manage pricing competition and maximize our NIM. We continue to focus on protecting our core deposit franchise, which we view as one of our key strengths. Don Hinson will now take a few minutes to cover our financial statement results including color on our core operating metrics.

Don Hinson

CFO

Thank you, Jeff. I'm going to start with a quick overview of earnings before heading into more detail on our balance sheet, credit quality, income statement and capital management. Our diluted earnings per share for Q3 was $0.48, which is up from $0.43 in Q2. The increase in earnings from Q2 was due mostly to a combination of an increase in noninterest income and decreases in noninterest expense and the provision for loan losses. Moving on to the balance sheet. Total asset growth was strong in Q3 due to a $215 million increase in total deposits. This increase in deposits is net of $20 million of brokered CDs that matured and were not renewed in Q3. Approximately 50% of the deposit growth in the quarter was due to a $109 million increase in noninterest-bearing demand deposits. Q3 is usually our strongest deposit growth quarter of the year. The main drivers of the growth this past quarter appeared to be a combination of seasonal buildup of deposit accounts, new commercial deposit relationships and some customer-specific events such as the sales of businesses where the funds were kept with the bank at least in the short run. Gross loans grew approximately $13 million in Q3 and have increased about $77 million year-to-date. The annualized year-to-date growth rate is 2.8%. Bryan McDonald will further discuss loan production in a few minutes. Regarding credit quality, we experienced a significant increase in nonaccrual loans in Q3 due mostly to one $20 million ag relationship whose primary business is tree fruit. We put the credit on nonaccrual status in Q3 due to our concern over the borrower being able to meet its budget in order to pay off this year's crop line in addition to a carryover from the 2018 crop line. The collateral coverage is…

Bryan McDonald

Chief Operating Officer

Thanks, Don. I'm going to provide detail on our third quarter production results by area starting with our commercial lending group. In the third quarter, our commercial teams closed $305 million in new loan commitments, very similar to the volume closed in the second quarter of 2019, and up 63% from the $187 million closed in the third quarter of 2018. New production during the third quarter was centered in Seattle and Bellevue at $98 million, Tacoma at $55 million and greater Portland at $42 million. Commercial team loan pipelines ended the second quarter at $440 million, down 8% versus the second quarter, but remained up 29% compared to the beginning of the year. Largest pipeline concentrations were in our Seattle, Bellevue teams, which saw their pipeline increase 9% to $162 million from last quarter, our greater Portland teams, which ended the quarter with a pipeline of $86 million and our greater Tacoma teams, which ended the quarter with a pipeline of $68 million. Gross loans increased only $13 million during the third quarter on a 1.4% annualized rate due to continued higher levels of prepayment and payoff activity. Loan prepayments and payoffs during the quarter totaled $169 million versus $160 million in the second quarter of 2019 and the elevated $153 million average we experienced in the last three quarters of 2018. Payoff and prepayment activity in the third quarter was caused by a higher level of business in real estate sales, customers using cash to pay off debt and clients paying off loans through our active portfolio management efforts. SBA 7(a) production in the third quarter included 15 loans for $4.9 million and the pipeline ended the quarter at $14.8 million. This compares to last quarter where we closed 9 loans for $9 million and the pipeline ended…

Jeff Deuel

Management

Thank you, Brian. I'd like to cover a few observations. Here in the Pacific Northwest, we continue to enjoy the economic vitality along the I-5 Corridor. Validations continue to be stable for commercial real estate and single family. However, competition for loans and deposits continues to be heavy. In spite of the positive economic environment in the region, we remain cautious about our concentration levels and are operating at levels that provide us flexibility to take advantage of high-quality loan opportunities while still being able to maintain discipline focusing on loan quality and yield. We have strong teams in the metro markets, markets which are relatively new to us and we will continue to execute in those markets to generate future growth. We continue to benefit from our balance sheet liquidity and the high-quality granularity of our deposit base. While the cost of deposits has been trending up, the overall costs are still relatively low. We continue to manage our capital position to support our planned organic growth as well as positioning the bank so we can respond to future M&A opportunities when they present themselves. Before we go to questions, I would just like to add a few things about the large nonaccrual ag loan Don covered in his comments. Clearly, we are not pleased to be taking this action but there is some history here. Our ag portfolio has been around since 1999 when we acquired Central Valley Bank, which is located in the central part of the state in the Yakima region. For the past couple of years, we have anticipated potential weakness in this sector and we have been actively managing our ag portfolio. As a result, you have been seeing this credit and others working their way through our credit management process. We have been…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Our first question is from the line of Jeffrey Rulis with D.A. Davidson.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst · Jeffrey Rulis with D.A. Davidson

Jeff, just a follow-up on the ag credit. I know that the visibility may not be there. But just kind of a workout time line. I mean you said it's a long-time watched credit and you know the customer well, but I guess is this just a workable situation? And at what point does this get? I know that it's too early to tell.

Jeff Deuel

Management

Well, we're taking the action that we think is appropriate based on what we know today, Jeff. And -- we have walked through with our credit admin team the variety of scenarios that could play out. Sometimes these things correct themselves in a pretty short period of time, meaning months as opposed to years, but in this case, there is the potential that this could be a longer-term workout. We just don't know at this point. I think the complication here with the ag credits is the cycle times are pretty long and one of the things that were -- that's causing us to take the position we are is there is full collateral coverage as we've outlined, but a portion of that collateral is tied to the current crop, which is in the process of being harvested. And we're watching it weekly to make sure that it's progressing in a way that it should. But the cycle would cause us to have the crop be harvested, then it has to be tested for quality and pricing and it has to be packaged and it will be sold over a period of months. And we're talking about a pretty significant amount of production. So that alone could take this -- in all likelihood, this will at least go into mid- to late 2020 before I think it gets resolved.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst · Jeffrey Rulis with D.A. Davidson

And anything else in the remaining bucket that's either kind of chunkier in that NPA balance? Anything else?

Jeff Deuel

Management

No. This, by far, is the biggest one. It's one that we've been watching for a long time, as I said. Just in terms of our ag portfolio itself, we've already regarded almost half of it over the last couple of years. So we're not necessarily seeing any lingering things in that portfolio that would present themselves in the next couple of quarters, at least we don't see it right now.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst · Jeffrey Rulis with D.A. Davidson

Jeff, well I've got you. The -- would you hazard a kind of a guess on net loan growth for 2020? You've had data on activity and I know that you don't have a crystal ball, but given the cautiousness out there, and other I mean anything that -- or just general thoughts on growth for the year? It doesn't have to be a number.

Jeff Deuel

Management

Well, you could imagine how frustrated we are with the circumstances with the payoffs and the paydowns, and it's particularly frustrating not just for us but our production folks. I mean they -- it feels like we're just churning. We're not actually. What we're putting on is new business, new loans, new relationships in a lot of cases. We always talk in terms of 6% to 8% growth with normalized payoffs. We haven't had normalized payoffs in almost two years. So maybe, we should be tempering that and saying low to middle single digits. The thing that makes that hard question to answer is, we can see through the pipeline what all of these teams are capable of producing if we ever get normalized payoffs. So I think we're going really see the balance sheet take off.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst · Jeffrey Rulis with D.A. Davidson

Let me read just one quick last one. Don, you touched on the expenses. There is some puts and takes there, obviously, with the use of some of those credits as well as the -- I guess the audit assessment. The baseline for that and go forward, would you just continue to circle us back to the overhead ratio and attempts there? Or if you could talk about expense run rate, would also be of interest?

Don Hinson

CFO

Yes. I think the overall -- I mean like I said there was some give and take this last quarter with one benefit and one kind of subtraction on that. Overall, I think it's a probably decent run rate. I will say that we have some technology initiatives going on that will start hitting in Q4, that will -- might bump it up a little bit, but I think overall, it's probably a fairly decent run rate. We only have CECL that we're implementing that, obviously, will take a little bit of funds, and in addition to some treasury management system that we're implementing. So that could bump it up closer to the $37 million mark. As I've mentioned before, but I think it will still be kind of between where we're in Q3 and that $37 million mark is probably good run rate.

Operator

Operator

And we'll go next to Gordon McGuire with Stephens.

Gordon McGuire

Analyst · Stephens

Don, I just wanted to circle back on your comment about the NIM, continuing pressure on the NIM. With the interest recovery this quarter impacting about 4 basis points, I would have guessed I would kind of snapback next quarter and be more flattish. Can you just kind of walk me through the NIM?

Don Hinson

CFO

Gordon, I continue -- I expect the NIM to continue to have pressure, downward pressure, in Q4. We had a rate cut in September that wasn't fully realized for the quarter and we'll probably have another one in the next week. I think the combination of those things and then put the new loans are going on with as compared to the current portfolio and really the -- although this portfolio is smaller, we have the same thing going on there. I do expect some contraction again, it's -- the go forward where on the loan yields the new nonaccrual is five basis points for the quarter, it's still going to be an impact probably of three basis points in Q4. So again there is a small snapback there, but I would still expect the margin to increase 5 to 10 basis points in Q4.

Gordon McGuire

Analyst · Stephens

5 to 10 from here?

Don Hinson

CFO

Yes.

Gordon McGuire

Analyst · Stephens

Okay. And then just on the CD costs. I think I missed your commentary about the brokered deposits. How much of the CD cost increase was related to those this quarter?

Don Hinson

CFO

The brokered CDs would actually cause the CD rates come down because they were higher.

Gordon McGuire

Analyst · Stephens

Okay. So...

Don Hinson

CFO

They were higher and we did not renew the brokered CDs. We took out earlier like I think in Q1.

Gordon McGuire

Analyst · Stephens

Okay. So the increase was all -- pretty much all from the more core book?

Don Hinson

CFO

Yes. We had in -- I would say in Q2 and parts of Q3, we actually slowed it down in Q3. About mid-Q3, we actually lowered our CD rates, but there is always the lag effect when you put on things like CDs. So in Q2, we have higher rates be competitive because of some competitive rates that were out there in our market, and so we had CD rates up above 2%. We have actually lowered those down below 2% now. So I would expect that the CD rates will come -- I think will possibly still come up a little bit in Q4 based off again some of the difference between what's going on and what's coming off the portfolio, but the difference will be much less than what was in Q3.

Gordon McGuire

Analyst · Stephens

And can you talk about the decision to resume SBA sales? And just whether you would anticipate staying in these levels on a quarterly basis or maybe even getting back to levels a few years back?

Bryan McDonald

Chief Operating Officer

Gordon, this is Bryan. So we have a formula and measure against and for the last few we've measured, haven't hit our threshold and so we've retained them, so we'll just continue to look at that. It's certainly the -- what type of gain on sale can we get versus the future interest income and then, of course, the primary changes have an impact on that. So just generically with prime having moved up, we have [sold less we do.] It is likely as prime continues to go down, the probability of sale will go up but we do measure those one at a time and we also do some fixed-rate SBAs as well. And so those obviously aren't impacted by the declining rate environment.

Operator

Operator

Our next question from Matthew Clark from Piper Jaffray.

Matthew Clark

Analyst · Piper Jaffray

I didn't see in the release and then didn't catch it on the call, but did you quantify the amount of payoffs and paydowns in the quarter?

Bryan McDonald

Chief Operating Officer

Matt, this is Bryan. On the commercial side, the payoffs and paydowns were $169 million for the quarter versus $160 million last quarter.

Matthew Clark

Analyst · Piper Jaffray

Great. Okay. And then just on the deposit costs. You -- yes, I heard your commentary on CDs and a little bit of a lag effect, but do you feel like we peaked here in terms of interest-bearing deposit costs or do you feel like you've got one more quarter to go before they might start turning lower?

Don Hinson

CFO

I think overall, we've probably peaked. There's a chance that it could bump up another basis point but I don't -- I think we'll probably peak where it's at and there is a chance it could come down some since the CD portfolio isn't a huge piece of it. And we are again lowering rates selectively on various deposit accounts due to the rate environment. So I think we'll probably peak where we're at.

Matthew Clark

Analyst · Piper Jaffray

Okay. And then just any updated commentary on the M&A landscape in terms of discussions you might be having whether or not those have picked up or not?

Jeff Deuel

Management

For first -- Matt, this is Jeff. For first part of the year, things were pretty quiet on the M&A front. We have started having more conversations in the last month or so, but we're not sure what that's going to turn into. It's just where we are at this point.

Operator

Operator

Our next question from the line of Jackie Bowen with KBW.

Jackie Bowen

Analyst · Jackie Bowen with KBW

I just wanted to touch on the ag portfolio again. Sorry, I know you've discussed it quite a bit. Would you quantify what's taking place with that particular credit as more macro based or more micro based, meaning is it indicative of the environment that borrower is operating within? Or is it something specific to the borrower?

Jeff Deuel

Management

It's both. If you -- if you add up the factors that are impacting this particular customer, it's weather, it's pricing, it's -- a certain portion of it is tied to succession and a certain portion of it is a transition from -- to organic product, which is a pretty big undertaking. So it's a little bit of both.

Jackie Bowen

Analyst · Jackie Bowen with KBW

Okay. That's helpful. And understanding, as we've said ag is less than 3% of the portfolio. Do you -- I guess within the potential problem bucket that you have knowing how much you scrub the portfolio on a regular basis, how much of that is ag?

Don Hinson

CFO

Jackie, this is Don. On looking on the ag portfolio and it's actually -- it's 10% of the potential problem loans. But if you add up the impact on nonaccruals performing TDRs and within the problems loans combined, it's actually 27% of those amounts combined. So it's 54% of the nonaccruals and it's 49% of the TDRs, performing TDRs, and it's 10% of the potential problem loans. 39% of the ag portfolio is either classified as either nonaccrual performing TDR's or potential problem loans.

Jackie Bowen

Analyst · Jackie Bowen with KBW

Oh it's 39%, you said?

Don Hinson

CFO

Yes.

Jackie Bowen

Analyst · Jackie Bowen with KBW

Okay. And then just one last one from me. In terms of CECL, I know we still have a little bit of time before implementation, but just wondering if you have any updates to provide?

Don Hinson

CFO

Well, no updates as far as numbers are concerned. We are in process and we are on pace to be able to give a number at the end of January when we release earnings next time. So -- but we're doing things like starting to run the model side-by-side and doing validations from that -- from doing that and making tweaks. So we're on pace and -- but we don't have any numbers to give at this point.

Operator

Operator

And our next question from Tim O'Brien with Sandler O'Neill.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill

So, Don, if I heard you right, you said that between the interest reversal on the ag credit and lower discount accretion, that had a 9 basis point impact on the NIM this quarter?

Don Hinson

CFO

Correct.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill

And so both of those items go away but you're still looking for a 5 to 10 basis points of compression beyond that. So maybe just a bit more exacerbated pressure from the rate cuts and it's just a flat curve and those sorts of things. Is that kind of generally how I should look at it?

Don Hinson

CFO

Yes. Because again it's not the -- the ag nonaccrual loan, it won't -- it will pop back up a little bit but not much from that and I still think that -- again what new loans are going on at compared to what they're coming off at. And again, floating rate loans and investments, again, we don't -- we didn't get a full impact of that in Q3 from the September cut. And we probably have another cut coming here in October. So I do think it's going to impact it and that will be 50 basis points. That happens within 1.5 months there. But we haven't felt of an impact at all in Q3. So I still think it's going to be 5 to 10 basis points.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill

And are your thoughts on how the margin situation might play out in the fourth quarter predicated on October cut only? Or does that also take into account a potentially December cut? Obviously, that's going to be -- have a smaller, shorter impact, I guess.

Don Hinson

CFO

Yes. I am not counting on the December one at this point. But like you said even the December one wouldn't have that much impact on Q4.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill

And then the ag credit that was downgraded, are they still making payments? Or has that stopped?

Jeff Deuel

Management

They are making payments, but the way the process works those payments are part of the line so it's all one facility but they are -- essentially they are paying, Tim.

Operator

Operator

And I'll turn it back to our speakers for closing remarks.

Jeff Deuel

Management

Thank you, Lori. If there is no more questions then we're ready to wrap up this quarter's earnings call and we thank you all for your time, your support and your interest in our ongoing performance as an organization. We look forward to seeing several of you over the coming weeks and we thank you for being on the call. Goodbye.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this conference call will be made available for replay that begins today at 1 p.m. Pacific Time. The replay of the conference runs through November 7 at 11:59 p.m. Pacific Time. You can access the AT&T teleconference replay system by dialing 1 (800) 475-6701 and entering replay access code 472935. And that will conclude the teleconference for today. Thank you for your participation and for using AT&T teleconferencing service. You may now disconnect.