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HIVE Digital Technologies Ltd. (HIVE)

Q4 2016 Earnings Call· Tue, Feb 14, 2017

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Melanie Solomon

Management

Thank you and welcome to Aerohive Networks' fourth quarter and full FY '16 financial results conference call. After the market closed today, Aerohive issued a press release through Business Wire. The release is also available on our website at, Aerohive.com. This call is being Webcast live on the investor relations section of the Aerohive website and will be available for 30 days. Today's call is being hosted by David Flynn, President and Chief Executive Officer and John Ritchie, Chief Financial Officer and Chief Operating Officer. During the course of today's call, management will make forward-looking statements including statements regarding our projections, operating results, expectations for future revenue growth, operating profitability and operating margins, plans for future investments, product development, deployment, adoption of performance and expectations of customer buying patterns and the growth of the market for our products and business, generally. These forward-looking statements involve a number of risks and uncertainties, some of which are beyond our control and the actual outcomes and results may differ materially from those contemplated by these forward-looking statements. As a result of these uncertainties, risks and changes in circumstances that could affect our financial and operating results, including risks and uncertainties included under the caption, Risk Factors and Management's Discussion and Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operations, in our recent annual report on form 10K and quarterly report on form 10-Q. Aerohive's SEC filings are available on the investor relation section of our website at, IR.Aerohive. com and on the SEC's website at www.SEC.gov. All forward-looking statements in this presentation and the referenced press release are based on information available to us as of the date hereof and we disclaim any obligation to update the forward-looking statements provided to reflect events that occur or circumstances that exist after the date on which they were made except as required by law. Today, we will be discussing both GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures. The non-GAAP financial measures have been adjusted to exclude certain charges and are not intended to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP. For a reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the corresponding GAAP measures and a discussion of why we present non-GAAP financial measures please see today's press release available on our website. I'll now turn the call over to David Flynn, President and CEO of Aerohive.

David Flynn

Management

Thank you, Melanie and thank you all for joining us today. Today, I'll will start with a review of our Q4 and FY '16 results. I'll then turn it over to John to provide more detail in the financials in our guidance for Q1 and I'll then continue with the discussion of our growth opportunities for 2017, including our new product line announced last month. In Q4, we exceeded our guidance range on both GAAP, gross margin-- non-GAAP gross margin and EPS. While revenue came in at $41.7 million, a 3% sequential increase, but slightly below our guidance range. We're pleased with the beat on gross margins and EPS, driven by our focus on improving operational efficiency. We'll share more detail on those efforts later in the call. As expected, E-Rate continues to be a headwind in Q4 and almost 70% of our business for the quarter was outside of K-12. Our Q4 results were more negatively impacted by the challenges associate with our ongoing transition to HiveManager NG, the newest version of our network management platform. Recent quarters have seen growth of our HiveManager NG business among mid-sized customers as we build out our platform and feature set. As we introduced it into a larger sales opportunities, we're seeing elongated sales cycles and product enhancement request as customers evaluate NG in far more complex and demanding environments. Longer sales cycles have a compound impact by requiring more time and attention from our sales teams to close current deals as well as development new sales opportunities. We're seeing continual improvement and we expect these challenges to gradually diminish over the next two quarters. We remain confident that the HiveManager NG is our strategic management platform for the future and we're working hard to ensure it is ready for our largest…

John Ritchie

Management

Thanks, Dave. Good afternoon, everybody and thank you for joining us today. Before we go through the quarter in detail, I would like to highlight some financial and operational milestones Aerohive achieved in the fourth quarter, despite a continued challenging revenue environment for us. Q4 was a record revenue quarter for our software subscription business growing 21% on the year-over-year basis and achieving record non-GAAP gross margins optimizing this business will be of focus for us as we head into 2017. Our overall non-GAAP gross margins also set a new company record coming in at 68.8% driven by records -- by record contributions from the software subscription business. Looking back at 2016 on the full year basis, revenues came in at 169.8 million, up 12%. Our software subscription business strongly contribute to our growth for the full year increasing 31%. Although we grew year-over-year, faster than the industry, our results continue to highlight our over dependence on the troubled E-Rate program. As mentioned last quarter, we have accelerated our plans to lessen this dependency. As a key component of this strategy, we recently introduced the Aerohive Connect Product line which Dave will talk more about later on in the call. During the balance of my prepared remarks, I will cover our GAAP and non-GAAP P&L and our balance sheet for Q4 and provide some related commentary on our business. And lastly, I will close by reviewing our financial guidance for Q1, 2017. Now, moving onto the quarter, total revenues for Q4 were $41.7 million down 10% on the year-over-year basis and up 3% sequentially. Our product revenues came in at $32.9 million. Despite the difficulties with our overall revenue, we continue to make progress increasing our recurring revenue streams, this recurring revenue increases visibility and predictability of our model. Q4…

David Flynn

Management

Thanks, John. The recent challenges we have faced have helped us to sharpen our focus on diversifying our business, streamlining our operations and generally enabling more opportunity outside of K-12 education. We said last quarter that in 2017 we would be taking tangible actions to improve our growth trajectory. I would like to share with you some of the steps we're already taken, that we think left a positive impact on our business over the coming quarters. Growing our business means winning more deals, we're extremely pleased to announce we have hired Ron Gill as our Vice President of America sales reporting to Tom Wilborn. Ron was formally Ruckus' head of sales for North America -- America where his team had great success. Ron brings a deep understanding of the Wi-Fi market channels and customers. We're pleased with such a respected industry veteran is joining Aerohive and see this as another validation of our ability to attract top talent based on our compelling strategy and market opportunity. Enabling growth demands and organization that can be faster and more nimble. In December, we implemented changes in our product determined organizations under the leadership of Allen Amrod, a respected network and Wi-Fi industry veteran. These changes are specifically intended to help us more quickly advance the maturation of HiveManager NG. We're already seeing a positive impact from this new unified organization. I'm also please report that John Ritchie has accepted the expanded role of Chief Operating Officer, in addition to his duties as Chief Financial Officer. This is a new position for us at Aerohive. Since John joined Aerohive in August 2015, he has taken on an increasing operational focus as he has worked to improve our financial efficiency. I have no doubt that his now more formal focus on operational execution…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question is from Doug Clark with Goldman Sachs.

Balaji Krishnamurthy

Analyst

This is Balaji Krishnamurthy on his behalf. A couple questions on pricing, maybe just a segway from that discussion. On your recent announcement for AP 121 to 8130 that is obviously well below your existing portfolio pricing. Are you targeting a new customer set or channel or is this just obscured to lower end of your portfolio. Then, around the same time you [indiscernible] also introduced BF 2 axis point which is $350, so what are your thoughts on potential for price declines from a competitive standpoint?

David Flynn

Management

As you said, the connect offering is a much more aggressive price point and it is designed to target a different customer segment which is a connectivity oriented customer that generally doesn't need the more advanced complete enterprise feature set that we have, the more sophisticated Policy Management, lower security advanced capabilities and there is a rich set of features that are available in Select that are not in Connect and we have that documented on our website, you can take a look at that. The Connect segment is a segment that we have not been attacking very aggressively. We see a good opportunity down in that segment. We built the 122 to be a very low-cost product, we invest a lot in cogs to make it a very compelling product, optimized for that connectivity oriented segment. At the same time, were able to bring it up into the larger enterprise with a selects software upgrade on the subscription side. We're encouraged by it. Very important to remember that, we have moved value from hardware to software so when someone runs with the Select subscription, the average selling price of an AP 130 is still very similar to what it was before we did this transaction. We're welding the staff subscription recurring revenue business and using our aggressive hardware price to get into accounts. Now turning to ubiquity offering, ubiquity has been in the market for a long time. We still very rarely see them, they're very much in a lower end to environment. They have made an announcement that they are going to try to move up to redetermine how well they do that and there's a lot of depth of enterprise functionality that is required to truly compete in the select category. They have not yet built a support organization, it takes a long time to build a world-class organization like ours that delivers-- consistently delivers high network motor score and to have an organization that response with urgency to customers and issues which is what we have always built serving enterprise customers.

Balaji Krishnamurthy

Analyst

Okay, that makes sense and if I could follow up with one more for John. On the R&D line, the R&D intensity for the last couple of years has been around 21% of sales. How should we think about that in the next year? Is that going up or down or-- if there is any changes to the long term target that would be very helpful.

John Ritchie

Management

The only granularity I can give you on that is, overall expenses will be down nominally, 16 when you compare 17 to 16 and in terms of where we cut, the majority of our cuts were not in engineering so when you model it out I would have that with probably the most modest of the decline, to add decline the three line items.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Mark Kelleher with D.A. Davidson.

Mark Kelleher

Analyst

Just a clarification, did you say 30% of business came from K-12 in the quarter?

David Flynn

Management

Yes. We said the inverse, almost 70% came from non-K-12 so yes K-12 is in the low 30s.

Mark Kelleher

Analyst

Last quarter, you indicated about half of that came from E-Rate, is that about the same percentage?

David Flynn

Management

Yes. It was a little bit less actually we had some of our come I mentioned those two largest Dell education wins that were outside of the U.S. They were a couple of large international education wins that were in that so E-Rate would have been a bit less than that. The pace of E-Rate continued largely unchanged from Q3 to Q4, continue to be a headwind.

Mark Kelleher

Analyst

But that takes me to my real question, is it possible to go round E-Rate and ramp up K-12 spending in the U.S. without E-Rate? Is that possible or do you have to get E-Rate working to ramp up in the U.S.?

John Ritchie

Management

I think E-Rate has to start working for us to have any level of confidence and baked that in. We're not baking into our model as we look out to 2017, we're not baking in any sort of real improvement in the E-Rate administration or the administration of the E-Rate programs.

David Flynn

Management

There is a point, there are many of the projects funded outside of E-Rate and as indicated and often call it sometimes have, if E-Rate, with E-Rate depressed it is half. If E-Rate is robust, we've seen overall demand in the percentage of it being E-Rate being better. There are schools that are looking at funding from other things like bond initiatives. While E-Rate is there, there's going to be another huge pool of money available in this coming year, people are likely going to look to it and we need the government to get more efficient with dispersing the funds.

Mark Kelleher

Analyst

All right and if I can squeeze one last question in, just a numbers question. Are you going to or could you breakout Dell as a percent of sales?

John Ritchie

Management

We would likely not break it out. We've given directional indicators in terms of what percentage of the business it makes in any given quarter and our goal was for it to get to 10% in Q4 and-- actually, our goal was for it to be material, using 10% as the definition and we exceeded that. Because we sell the product to Dell through Dell selected distributor, it doesn't actually show up from our standpoint, doesn't show up directly as a Dell sale, even though it ultimately is. We wouldn't clip any threshold where we would have a reporting requirement.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Matt Robison with Wunderlich.

Matt Robison

Analyst

Can you guys talk about the market breath in sales cycle implications of the new approach, starting lower and then achieving upsell down the road?

David Flynn

Management

There is two things as we said, there are some segments we have not been addressing, some of these connectivity oriented segments and some things that just are -- some of it could be midmarket are some of it could be MSP providing connectivity oriented services to a large number of mid-market customers. I think there is an incremental growth opportunity just with the Connect offering on its own but one of the other big opportunities-- actually, sorry a key thing of that is getting into those deals and then that becomes a large installed base that we can now effectively market to. We now know who they are, we can now start the upsell process to sell the Selects software subscription on top of it. Our marketing team will be continually reminding them of the cool advanced features they do not have an actually the product has been redesigned to highlight those features and to remind them of the things they could use to troubleshoot an issue or to do more advanced configurations. So we would be up selling those people continuously, to help drive recurring fast revenue of the larger footprint. And then, in our more traditional market segment, we actually think it will be an opportunity to get into new accounts more efficiently, because I think it would be negligent of many enterprise customers to not at least look at connect and bring us in and assess what we have to offer. More than likely they will end up probably requiring the Select functionality but in some of their scenarios they may be able to deploy Connect. We think it will be a door opener and a sales accelerator and by the way, they can always -- even as large enterprises can start with connect and then just purchase a Select subscription, loaded into the HiveManager and they're upgraded to Select. So there is no need to wait to get started until they complete the evaluation, they can start on connect and easily upgrade.

Matt Robison

Analyst

Do you have any customers that have been using your Select and then in certain sites, where requirements are less stringent, the purchasing from brand ex in those scenarios do you expect to get some share?

David Flynn

Management

We absolutely have seen that where we have seen some examples of a long term care provider that, in their higher care environments, they would use our Select offering but in their assisted living and skilled nursing environments they would use the high-end but in the independent living facility, they might have just used a low-end commodity vendor ex offering and now they're looking at the connect offering as an example to put us into that broader set of the deployment.

Matt Robison

Analyst

How do you comp your staff so they do not just go out and sell in price?

David Flynn

Management

Ultimately their incentive, they are motivated to maximize revenue. They are paid on revenue and we do have some consequences if they end up doing low gross margin deals. There's some [indiscernible] that we enjoyed together to make sure people focus on delivering both revenue and maintaining margins.

John Ritchie

Management

There is a meaningful disincentive to bring a low-margin deal to the table. We do promote behavior with compensation.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from John Lucia with JMP Securities.

John Lucia

Analyst

A couple here, you said Connect will give resellers a reason to consider Aerohive. Would that incremental reason simply be the lower price or is there another software feature or anything that would push them over the edge in terms of the Connect? And as a follow-on to that, wouldn't customers have sticker shock if you coming at $300 for Connect and then you suggest the $800 price or whatever it is for Select? Just walk me to that.

John Ritchie

Management

Sorry, can you ask the reseller question again?

John Lucia

Analyst

You said the connect would give resellers a reason to consider Aerohive. The question is, is the reason just price or is there anything else that would give them another reason to consider you guys?

David Flynn

Management

I think the issue with Connect is that now we can address the whole range of offerings that they might need to go deliver. We have already seen some of our resellers who-- we have been selling to successfully into the enterprise environment and then you find out oh, some of them are actually selling something like [indiscernible] into the low-end environment and now resellers say this is great I can use you for my entire offering. Other resellers are interested in delivering more-- a lot of resellers delivering lightweight managed services to connectivity oriented customers and this is a really compelling offering to those customers. There's a lot of things we've done to the product to make it operational easier for them to purchase and deploy. They can buy them ahead of time and deploy them as they need, that makes it easier to transact with this product. I think it will be easier for the resellers and create some new opportunities for them. Then, in terms of the upgrade price, I think that subscription price you talked about is over a three-year term. If you look at it on -- over a three-year term that will have about the same subscription price, but if you think about it on a per-year basis, the upgrade for them-- the actual out-of-pocket cost for them to move to a full Select offering with full support and the more advanced features is sub $100 at the street level in terms to what they would likely be paying

John Lucia

Analyst

$100 a year?

David Flynn

Management

Yes, in that range. That is more at the street-price level but in terms, it ends up come you to the list price comparison to a big number but when you actually talk about how much they are spending out-of-pocket it is much less of an upgrade.

John Lucia

Analyst

Okay, that's helpful. If I understand correctly, in the Select offering the hardware cost of the AP 130 which I think is one of your better selling of your access points, was cut in half and then you increased the software cost and the maintenance cost to make up for the difference. I just want to understand the dynamics around product gross margin versus service gross margin and how this all works into your guidance for total gross margins.

John Ritchie

Management

This is John speaking here, John. In general will have a nominal impact. It will have an impact but it will not be particularly meaningful so in our gross margin guidance we gave 66.5 to 67.5 points which is about 50 basis points lower than the guidance we have given all year. Two components of that are -- two components of that guidance or the reasons for that 50 basis point decline, were the lower revenue base over the fixed cost and the rest of it would be Connect related. I think for argument sake, you could say split roughly 50/50. Connect -- so speaking on the service now and the product, the connect margins that are sold without the upgrade will be less than our standard gross margins but the incremental, the margin pickup when we upgrade that customer to Select, is we have very little incremental service costs for that service or subscription cost for that incremental revenue. Once this program kicks in, over the long haul it should be, our service margins, the buy should be up and to the right, off of fairly strong margins as we speak. We just set a record on our service gross margins this quarter. That business which is a focus for us in 2017 and beyond were actually starting to see the benefits of the programs we put in place prior to Connect and Connect Select will compound those.

John Lucia

Analyst

Is this your standard selling motion now? Are you going to do this for the rest of your access points going forward? It's just that the AP 130 is the one that I know of and the AP 122. But what about the higher-end access points, would be doing the same kind of pricing structure where you lower the price of the access point and increase the price up the software and support or is this only just for certain access points?

David Flynn

Management

We launched this on the new AP 122 which is a brand-new product and the AP 130, those are our 2 by 2 wave one access points. It is only on those products at this point and not on any others, so all of our customers, we mentioned 33% of our business was on the high end Wave 2 products, none of those are affected by this as is the 3 by 3 wave one products and our switches are not affected by it. We're launching out with this to pursue the strategy of opening doors and recruiting channels and getting more at-bats. We will, of course, assess the results of this and as with any pricing action and decide if this applies-- be useful to apply to other places but at this point it is just on the low-end products.

John Lucia

Analyst

Last question which you expect to reach profitability this year or are you willing to talk about profitability in the year?

John Ritchie

Management

We would like it this year. Where little hesitant to commit because we committed last year to getting it to 50, but we think we have created a cost structure that will get us there at $45 million and it does not seem like an unreasonable goal to get there this year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Meta Marshall with Morgan Stanley.

Eugene Anderson

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Hi, It's Eugene Anderson on for Meta. Thanks for taking my question. First, on E-Rate, I believe on the guidance you provided in the last call you mentioned that you weren't expecting an improvement in E-Rate, so for Q4 did you see E-Rate still fall below expectations or was it more, the surprise, more related to the longer sales cycle?

David Flynn

Management

The surprise at this revenue miss was primarily driven by the elongated sales cycles as we took the NG product into larger enterprises and we let that effort in North America which is where we spearheaded the push to move it up market. E-Rate had a nominal impact, we have factored in almost all of the E-Rate softness into the guidance we have provided on the Q3 call.

Eugene Anderson

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

A question on OpEx, in just considering the longer sales cycle here, is there a chance that you will have to step back, step up hiring again perhaps in response to that or is your plan to reduce OpEx year-over-year, coming more out of a different area?

David Flynn

Management

We're committed to the profitability at the $45 million and we will hold spending at or below the level required to get to profitability. So we don't anticipate any step up in any of the line items of OpEx throughout the year.

John Ritchie

Management

You think your specifically saying we need to hire more salespeople to deal with the elongated sales cycle and the answer is no. We're focused on continuing the maturation of the product and I mentioned changes for the products organization that are really delivering very nice results and improving the philosophy of our ability to finish the enhancements we need to get past that. We think will take about two quarters to work through that and it will be counterproductive to hire more salespeople instead of [indiscernible] to the product.

Eugene Anderson

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

One last question, if you look at the other verticals you are targeting outside of education, any updates on demand like where are you seeing the activity going into 2017 and perhaps with your new programs, does that help your opportunities in a given vertical or is it just more widespread?

David Flynn

Management

I think it primarily it's going to help us with getting more at-bats into the whole range of enterprise and health and retail opportunities, those core verticals. We do think it will help us to add some of these additional more connectivity oriented verticals to the mix to help with the growth. We would anticipate seeing a bit more hospitality and a bit more hotspot business as we go forward driving the managed service provider segment. So we think it can help across multiple vertical segments.

Operator

Operator

That does conclude our question-and-answer session. At this time I would like to turn the call back over to David Flynn for closing remarks.

David Flynn

Management

Thank you all for joining us today. We will be at the Goldman Sachs Conference tomorrow in San Francisco and later this month at the JMP and Morgan Stanley conferences and we hope to see many of you there. Good night.

Operator

Operator

Once again that does conclude today's call. We appreciate your participation.