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Q3 2017 Earnings Call· Wed, Oct 25, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the Highwoods Properties' Conference Call. During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Afterwards, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded on the date October 25, 2017. It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to Brendan Maiorana, Senior Vice President, Finance and Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Brendan Maiorana

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Joining me on the call this morning are Ed Fritsch, President and Chief Executive Officer; Ted Klinck Chief Operating and Investment Officer; and Mark Mulhern, Chief Financial Officer. As is our custom, today's prepared marks have been posted on the web. If any of you have not received yesterday's earnings release or supplemental, they're both available on the IR section of our website at highwoods.com. On today's call, our review will include non-GAAP measures such as FFO, NOI and EBITDA also the release and supplemental including reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures. Before I turn the call to Ed, a quick reminder that any forward-looking statements made during today's call are subject to the risks and uncertainties, and these are discussed at length in our Annual and Quarterly SEC filings. As you know, actual events and results can differ materially from these forward-looking statements. The Company does not undertake a duty to update any forward-looking statements. I'll now turn the call to Ed.

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Thank you, Brendan, and good morning, everyone. Since our last earnings call, the biggest news in the office business this side of the Atlantic has been Amazon's post of HQ2. While several of our cities have been mentioned by numerous pundits as contenders to land HQ2, we're not going to speculate on which metro area Jeff Bezos and his Amazon team may pick. However, we find their list of desired criteria a validation of our BBD strategy. We're thrilled to see Amazon's HQ2 grocery list upon intended of desired attributes so closely align with the characteristics of our BBD markets, which include access to a well-educated workforce; growing population centers; a stable, business friendly climate; high quality of life; and attractive cost of living among others. The unique manner and epic proportion of this posting is something all of us will pay close attention to as it unfolds. Regardless of what Amazon ultimately decides to do, the confidence they are showing in their long-term growth outlook with HQ2 can be viewed as a good story for the economy. Shifting to Highwoods, fundamentals on the ground remain steady. We continue to see positive net absorption across our markets. New supply is highly pre-leased and less than 2% of total market, which mitigates the risk to office fundamentals. The backdrop of continued positive net absorption and modest supply has driven a steady increase in net effective rents. Turning to the third quarter, we delivered $0.86 of FFO per share, about 4% higher than last year. The quarter included a little over $0.01 of land impairment charges related to a parcel that we no longer expect to develop, but this charge was mostly offset by a term fee. Our strong financial performance was driven by continued growth in same property NOI, accretion from…

Theodore Klinck

Analyst · Dave Rodgers with Baird. Please go ahead with your question

Thanks Ed, and good morning. As Ed noted, we continue to see steady fundamentals across our markets. It's noteworthy that six of our nine markets scored in Baird's top 10 public REIT markets in terms of office-using job growth in September. We've spoken often about strong job growth in Atlanta, Nashville and Raleigh. It's nice to see Richmond, Tampa and Orlando also garnering accolades by being in the top 10. This report, plus many other regional forecasts, supports our view that steady fundamentals should continue for the foreseeable future. Turning to the quarter, we had increased leasing volume with attractive economics. We leased 1.1 million square feet of second gen space with an average term of 5.2 years. As Ed mentioned, GAAP rent spreads were positive 11.3%, the sixth consecutive quarter of double-digit increases. While our cash rent spreads were slightly negative after five consecutive quarters of positive spreads, the negative cash rent spread in Q3 was attributable to two renewals where we traded no TIs for a reduced face rate. Evidence of improving rents in the portfolio is reflected by our average in-place cash rents at quarter end, which were 1.3% higher per occupied foot than a year ago. This includes our recently delivered 500,000 square foot Bridgestone Americas tower, which is in our occupied square footage even though cash rent doesn't commence until the middle of the fourth quarter. As previously forecasted, our portfolio experienced three sizeable move-outs during Q3. Total portfolio occupancy was down 60 basis points compared to Q2, ending at 92.1%. Based on signed leases in hand, we anticipate a recovery late in the fourth quarter. Our year-end occupancy outlook remains unchanged at 92.2% to 93.2%. Turning to our operational performance, we grew same property cash NOI by 3.4%. The 50 basis point dip in…

Mark Mulhern

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Thanks Ted. We delivered third quarter net income of $57 million, or $0.55 per share, which included $19.8 million of gains from property dispositions, which are not included in FFO. Our FFO for the quarter was $91 million, or $0.86 per share, a 3.9% increase year-over-year. As Ed, noted we received a penny of net termination fees, primarily from Towers Watson in Atlanta, which was more than offset by $1.5 impairment primarily for land in the Southwinds submarket that we recently exited in Memphis. These two items essentially offset one another, making our reported FFO of $0.86 a relatively clean number. As Ed mentioned, we are pleased with our third quarter operational performance. We delivered same property cash NOI growth of 3.4% with average occupancy 50 basis points lower compared to last year. The improvement in cash NOI is driven by healthy contractual annual rent bumps on nearly all of our leases, leases commencing where we achieved solid growth on rent spreads and the burn off of free rent on several leases. Turning to our balance sheet and financing activities, we ended the quarter with leverage of 34.7% and debt-to-EBITDA of 4.5 turns. While we are committed to grow generally on a leverage-neutral basis, we have the flexibility of funding the remaining $226 million of spending on our current development pipeline without the issuance of new equity and still maintaining debt-to-EBITDA around the mid-point of our stated comfort range of 4.5 to 5.5 times. We had several important financing transactions close after the end of the quarter. First, we recast our revolving credit facility. Our new facility has a capacity of $600 million, that's up from $475 million, and we reduced the LIBOR spread from 110 to 100 basis points. We believe the $600 million size works well for our…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of James Feldman with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead.

James Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Great. Thank you. I guess, Mark sticking with your last comment, can you just talk about the magnitude of that kind of cash NOI that will be coming online in 2018 that's not in the GAAP numbers?

Mark Mulhern

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Yes, Jamie. So obviously, Bridgestone the biggest driver of those dollars. It's around, again, rough numbers around $20 million or so of cash increased year-over-year when you compare 2016 or 2017 to 2018.

James Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Okay. And then I guess sticking on a similar topic, just as we think about 2018 and same-store growth, you guys have had a lot of moving pieces in the portfolio this year, move-outs that you're making good progress on leasing, but can you just give us like the building blocks as we think about kind of either 2018 or - well, same-store growth and then earnings growth of like how things will ramp up over the quarters?

Brendan Maiorana

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Hey Jamie, it's Brendan. So I think as you think about same-store growth just generically, I'd tell you there's five main components that would drive those numbers. The first would be the rent bump that we get virtually all the leases that we have in place. The second are rent spreads that we get both on what we've signed this year and then what we'll do next year. Third would be operating expenses. Fourth item is probably, I'd say that's conversion of GAAP to cash rent, if you're thinking about cash same-store NOI growth. And the fifth item would be occupancy. So I think those are kind of the main building blocks, and the rent bumps, there's really probably not a lot of change between any given year. Rent spreads, I think those bounce around a little bit, but we've been fairly consistent over the last number of quarters. OpEx, we probably would say, it's generally something that I think we've been fairly consistent on a year-to-year basis. And then from an occupancy perspective, I think that's to be determined as we go forward over the next few quarters. We've talked about some of the expirations that we have, but we've also mentioned some of the progress that we've made. So I think it's just a combination of how well and how quickly we backfill some of the expirations. So I think that probably gives you the building blocks to how to think about same-store, but it's a little bit early to get into specifics with respect over the next few quarters.

James Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Okay. And then just finally for me. I know you've pushed - you reduced your acquisition guidance. Are you still working on a potential close in the early part of 2018 or these deals are off the table?

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

We're looking at a number of things for 2018, but we did think that the chances of getting anything close prior to year-end 2017 are very slim.

James Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

I guess what I'm asking is the ones that you thought you were going to do in 2017, are those still on the table?

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Some yes, some no, and some added. Does that make sense?

James Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

All right. Thank you.

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

The pull that makes up the 200 is different, but we are certainly looking at a number of things right now.

James Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Okay. Great. Thanks a lot.

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Thanks Jamie.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Manny Korchman with Citi. Please go ahead.

Emmanuel Korchman

Analyst · Manny Korchman with Citi. Please go ahead

Hey. Good morning, guys. Ed, just going back to sort of the conversation you had about Amazon, but not specifically about Amazon. If we think about the other build-to-suits that you've been approached with, do you see tenants sort of using the Amazon approach of let's get cities to bid, let's look sort of nationally or maybe even globally, and then wherever we get the best deal, we'll go? Or is it more targeted than that?

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Manny Korchman with Citi. Please go ahead

I would say this. It's always been a part of the process for decades, but I would say that it's not the sole driver. The first step of the Amazon tango and what we see in a lot of explorations that are multi-state covered, a significant component of that is what would be on the Governor's letterhead. So that plays into the mosaic of the decision process, but then other things quickly come into play like available and capable employment pool and infrastructure and sites and pricing, cost of living, right to work, et cetera, coming behind us. But that's usually that the first aspect of these multi-state searches include a significant component of what the tax incentives would be.

Emmanuel Korchman

Analyst · Manny Korchman with Citi. Please go ahead

Great. And then switching to the comments for a second, we've heard from I guess you guys and also peers that constructions cost have been going up I guess significantly is the right word. Have you seen pressure on your yields because of those rising construction costs?

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Manny Korchman with Citi. Please go ahead

Well, I think that's been big piece of what has held speculative construction at bay in the cycle. There's been a limited amount and hasn't been because banks have withheld or it's because we've finally learned our lesson and not built ourselves into a recession through overdevelopment, or it has been that pricing continued to climb, and in fact, they climbed even during the recession. There wasn't any abatement during the recession. That shifted from commodities to talent back to talent and a little bit off the commodities but it's continued to increase over the last 10 years at a pretty steady pace. So I think the gap between what it cost to go into the first-gen space versus second-gen space illustrate that, and I think that's what's kept a lot of new construction at bay. And obviously, not only new construction but it's woven its way into BI and GI spending. And I don't know how much if any impact, these named storms will have, but you have to think that there have certain componentry of construction, maybe it's a different level of tradesperson, but some of the commodities will certainly be in the hot demand for a short period of time in restoring Houston and Florida and the Keys.

Emmanuel Korchman

Analyst · Manny Korchman with Citi. Please go ahead

So would you feel comfortable sort of helping us quantify how much yield pressure you may be seeing on your either in-process or future developments?

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Manny Korchman with Citi. Please go ahead

I really think it comes down to - are you willing to step up for the new building. And so the gap between first and second gen, let's call it 25%, and I could argue 20% and I could argue as much as 35% depending on where we are. I think it is more just a matter the customer having the need for whatever reason to go into new space. Either it doesn't exist or they want to consolidate multiple locations into one that guard efficiencies and synergies. Do they want to create a new image? Do they want to present to their employment pool and to their clients and the community or do they want to restack and they're willing to pay up for that? So to me, it's really - the construction pricing going up, let's say, on average, 5% to 6% per annum, I don't think that's really going to drive a difference in that decision if the spaces are there that they want to upgrade.

Emmanuel Korchman

Analyst · Manny Korchman with Citi. Please go ahead

Thanks Ed.

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Manny Korchman with Citi. Please go ahead

Sure, Manny.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Dave Rodgers with Baird. Please go ahead with your question.

David Rodgers

Analyst · Dave Rodgers with Baird. Please go ahead with your question

Yes, good morning guys. Ed, I wanted to just ask a question maybe a big picture for you. It looks like your economics has settled into a nice spot here. You did talk about your cash spreads earlier, and so appreciate that detail. But I guess as you look at your overall volume of leasing, overall economics on leasing settling into a pretty narrow range, do you feel like that's where the market is? Are we having kind of at a top point in terms of lease economic and volume? With the discussions you're having, kind of give a little bit more color on that if you would.

Theodore Klinck

Analyst · Dave Rodgers with Baird. Please go ahead with your question

Sure, Dave. What I think our lease economics continue to - again like you said, sort of hang at a pretty tight range quarter-by-quarter. We're seeing a little bit of pressure on TI, but we think we're getting commensurate increase at rental rates to go with that. I think the supply and demand fundamentals are strong. As Ed mentioned, construction is not out of control so - and we're seeing slow steady job growth. So demand has been steady - are showing through steady across our markets. So I think hopefully, things can stay where they are. And a couple of trends we are seeing is we have mentioned two no TI deals. There is a stick or shock in some of our markets with customers. So we've done many more than just the two that I mentioned on the prepared remarks that flipped us to negative cash. But there are some customers that are saying, just give me the lowest rate and then I'll put in my own TI or I'll take the space out of this. So we have seen more lately on some markets we've seen in the past.

David Rodgers

Analyst · Dave Rodgers with Baird. Please go ahead with your question

Great. Thanks for that. And then maybe a specific question on leasing. The space in Buckhead that you talked about white-boxing but in the early activity there I realize that, that was just vacated this quarter. But any thoughts around what the activity might be on that phase.

Theodore Klinck

Analyst · Dave Rodgers with Baird. Please go ahead with your question

Continue to show it. We have weekly showings. We have called our Atlanta team really on a weekly basis, but this point really, there's nothing talk about. I can't say we have any strong prospects that will actively show in the space.

David Rodgers

Analyst · Dave Rodgers with Baird. Please go ahead with your question

Great. Last for me. Maybe to Mark, on the higher G&A, if you mentioned it in your comments, I certainly missed it. But any pursuit cost written-off in there, such as compensation or anything in the G&A number that went up for guidance that we should be aware of.

Mark Mulhern

Analyst · Dave Rodgers with Baird. Please go ahead with your question

Yes, Dave. The pursuit cost will be very small but a majority of that is the higher incentive comp.

David Rodgers

Analyst · Dave Rodgers with Baird. Please go ahead with your question

Okay. Great. Thanks guys.

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Dave Rodgers with Baird. Please go ahead with your question

Thanks Dave.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of John Guinee with Stifel. Please go ahead.

John Guinee

Analyst · John Guinee with Stifel. Please go ahead

Great. Two questions, thanks. First, Brendan, how much free rent is in 3Q? You talked a lot about your sources and uses of GAAP versus cash on your development. But how much free rent is in 3Q that we should think about to get a good NAV?

Brendan Maiorana

Analyst · John Guinee with Stifel. Please go ahead

So John, Mark mentioned in response to an earlier question mentioned that cash flow that's coming online with respect to the development project, so I think he mentioned somewhere, call it, rough numbers of - on an annualized basis maybe there's $20 million or so that sort of flows in overtime kind of 2018 versus 2017. That's a rough number. So we could get back to you with maybe some more specifics, but I think that's a reasonable way to think about the amount of free rent that's associated with many of development projects.

John Guinee

Analyst · John Guinee with Stifel. Please go ahead

So is it safe to say that within your $9-plus million of straight line deduct $5 million of that was free rent?

Brendan Maiorana

Analyst · John Guinee with Stifel. Please go ahead

I think that from, let's say - yes, I would call it not - I would say that is a reasonable ballpark for GAAP rent versus cash rent. So it's not really a concession but there's a lot of early possession rent that's in there so a non-cash rent.

John Guinee

Analyst · John Guinee with Stifel. Please go ahead

Okay. And then the second, you guys do a fabulous job of your leasing statistics and I think your quotes sort of negative or usually relatively mark-to-market on cash and low double-digits on GAAP. And some people might present that or think that's good. But when you're spending $3.50 per square foot per year to go flat cash to cash and 10 up GAAP to GAAP, that looks to me or that feels to me like very weak or. Am I missing something?

Theodore Klinck

Analyst · John Guinee with Stifel. Please go ahead

Well, John, I think, when I look at our payback percentage, in our supplemental, we're looking at - we're getting paid back and we think about 13% of rents, 13.5% of our rent stream over the term to get paid back our capital. So I think those metrics really aren't too bad if you look at our as compared to some our competitors. I mean when we look at our leased deals, we look at a few things. Obviously, net effective rents, which take into account all the CapEx we're spending, and I think as long as we're growing net effective rents, we're also looking at obviously, when we creating value, we do think we're creating value on the incremental capital investment. Some cases, you may be willing to spend a little bit more if we lock in a customer on a long-term basis, there's an asset we're getting ready to sell. Net-net we think our economics aren't too bad.

John Guinee

Analyst · John Guinee with Stifel. Please go ahead

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jed Reagan with Green Street. Please go ahead.

Joseph Reagan

Analyst · Jed Reagan with Green Street. Please go ahead

Hey, good morning, guys.

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Jed Reagan with Green Street. Please go ahead

Good morning, Joe.

Joseph Reagan

Analyst · Jed Reagan with Green Street. Please go ahead

Can you give any color on how the recent asset sales in Memphis and Raleigh just compare to your overall portfolios in those markets in terms of average rents, location, building age, that sort of thing?

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Jed Reagan with Green Street. Please go ahead

Sure. So in Memphis really it's a tale of two cities there. There's the Poplar Corridor and then there's not Poplar Corridor. And so with the sale of the Southwinds assets, the $7 billion we had there, we're now solely concentrated in the Poplar Corridor which is by far the best ABD in Memphis, and there are more institutional quality buildings on Poplar versus what were basically three and 4-storey brick and glass buildings at Southwinds. And then in Raleigh, same situation. This is a collection of three buildings that actually if you line them up next to the Southwinds building, all tenant that will look very much alike. They were in the West side of Raleigh. So the quality was low, the rents were lower, and it's just our traditional efforts to recycle at a lower quality non-core assets and use that money to fund development and acquisitions.

Joseph Reagan

Analyst · Jed Reagan with Green Street. Please go ahead

That's helpful. And can you share a cap rate for the kind of each individual portfolio? I know you gave the aggregate, but kind of within Memphis and within Raleigh?

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Jed Reagan with Green Street. Please go ahead

It's about a tie between the two. And what we have in the Q that we have also mentioned for closing before year-end, the $44 million that would also be in the same zip code of the 7.5.

Joseph Reagan

Analyst · Jed Reagan with Green Street. Please go ahead

Okay, great. Appreciate that. You guys mentioned the potential lease exposure on carry and then you've got the FBI move-out you've talked about in Atlanta previously. Any other sizable known or possible move-outs next year even into 2019, if you have that kind of early visibility?

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Jed Reagan with Green Street. Please go ahead

Not really other than what we mentioned on the call in the prepared comments. That really capitalizes it. As we look at 2019, we have five leases there that are for 100,000 square feet or more. We feel really good about four of them and it's a bit early on the fifth.

Joseph Reagan

Analyst · Jed Reagan with Green Street. Please go ahead

Okay. Perfect. Maybe just last one for me. We work and others - obviously co-working is on the rise, you're national including some of your markets. Just kind of curious on how you're thinking about that movement. I mean are you likely to sign more leases with some of those companies? Are you looking to experiment with maybe your - with flex leasing, more flex leasing or potentially a co-working concept of your own?

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Jed Reagan with Green Street. Please go ahead

We've done a little bit of both. We certainly signed leases with some. So we've had Regus for a long time. And I know that they're kind of like the older version and they're making their conversions towards more of a modern day. And we've signed couple of leases with industries, so we put our toe in it, but we are monitoring very closely how much exposure we would have to that type of space. It's certainly of interest and we read about it. The Lord & Taylor announcement was of interest I think to the entire office community, and we'll see how it goes, and obviously, what everybody else is wondering is how will this type of industry do in a downturn since they haven't been through one of those yet. So it will be interesting to see that level of performance. And then the second part of your question, we have only on a - we've created plug and play spaces, what we haven't done as [indiscernible] with the concierge and the granola bars. But as far as the actual build out at the space, we have done suites of that type in urban settings that have proven to be fairly successful. It's growing somebody in and we've actually seeing some significant growth out of the spaces into director leases of - on a larger scale.

Joseph Reagan

Analyst · Jed Reagan with Green Street. Please go ahead

And are you willing to do kind of more flexible terms on those types of deals?

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Jed Reagan with Green Street. Please go ahead

Yes. And it's a modest amount of space and really its plug and play type of space, so we haven't put significant capital on to it. What we hope we do is we grow a customer out of it.

Joseph Reagan

Analyst · Jed Reagan with Green Street. Please go ahead

Is there a thought of doing more of that over time or you kind of like the amount you've done so far?

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Jed Reagan with Green Street. Please go ahead

I think we'll continue to do it at a modest level. I don't think it would be ever become a significant component of our annualized revenue, not in the near-term anyway.

Joseph Reagan

Analyst · Jed Reagan with Green Street. Please go ahead

So 5%-ish maybe a little less?

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Jed Reagan with Green Street. Please go ahead

I would say less. But yes, I think that's a fair - a fair cap. We would put a tickler in here if we reach 5% to address it on the prepared remarks.

Joseph Reagan

Analyst · Jed Reagan with Green Street. Please go ahead

Okay, great. Thank you for all the color. Appreciate it.

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Jed Reagan with Green Street. Please go ahead

Thanks Jed.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Michael Lewis with SunTrust. Please go ahead.

Michael Lewis

Analyst · Michael Lewis with SunTrust. Please go ahead

Hi, thank you. My first question is kind of a two-parter, the increase in the same-store NOI guidance. I was wondering if the dispositions had any impact, the changing pool. And in the second piece, it looks like this other miscellaneous operating revenues, is higher than I think I've seen it. Could you just remind me what's in that and maybe what's a good run rate for modeling?

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Michael Lewis with SunTrust. Please go ahead

Sure, Michael. And our first question, I think on the fluctuation between the quarters and dispositions have a little impact and that probably helped a little bit in Q3 and will be a little negative in Q4. I'm sorry I had a slip around a slight negative in Q4. But so the way I think about that is from our guidance, the beginning to the year to the end, really no significant impact - they net out the impacts in Q3 and Q4, so no real impact as a whole. And then on the other revenue side of things, one thing that had shown up that's been positive for us that is maybe better than we anticipated some upside in parking and we've taken control some of the parking garages in urban cities and manage the parking on our own. We have gotten some in terms of that. And then we alluded to some JVs as having some impact on the same-store numbers for this year as well.

Michael Lewis

Analyst · Michael Lewis with SunTrust. Please go ahead

Okay. Thanks. My second question, I think you said that if you lose that 175,000 square foot tenant in the middle 2018, you're entitled to a fee. I was wondering if you could just give a little more color on that. Is that actually like an early term? And could - if you could comment on how big are we talking about?

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Michael Lewis with SunTrust. Please go ahead

Yes, Michael, it's Ed. It's late 2018, I think we get back in November of if they were to move out. It's early to say we would be meaningful-sized fee I can't quantify the size of the [bread box] right now, but it would meaningful and scale, but it just a bit early on us - for us to quantify that more.

Michael Lewis

Analyst · Michael Lewis with SunTrust. Please go ahead

Okay. Understood. My last one is about maybe you could talk a little bit about the challenges of redeploying proceeds into [10 51s]. And is it too early to think that may be there might be a special next year?

Mark Mulhern

Analyst · Michael Lewis with SunTrust. Please go ahead

Yes. I think it's a little too early on that. Obviously, we have put some of these dollars into [10 31s] and are interested in utilizing that if we can but I think it's a little too early to comment on that at this point.

Michael Lewis

Analyst · Michael Lewis with SunTrust. Please go ahead

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I'll now turn the call back to Mr. Fritsch.

Edward Fritsch

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Thank you everyone for dialing in and always don't hesitate the call as with any follow-up questions. Thank you, operator.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude the conference call for today. We thank you for your participation and ask that you please disconnect your lines.