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Haleon plc (HLN)

Q3 2023 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 2, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Q3 2023 results conference call. I am Shari, the Chorus Call operator. [Operator Instructions] The conference is being recorded. The presentation will be followed by a Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Sonya Ghobrial, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, madam.

Sonya Ghobrial

Analyst · Chris Pitcher from Redburn

Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Haleon's conference for the third quarter trading statement. I'm Sonya Ghobrial, Head of Investor Relations, and I'm joined this morning by Tobias Hestler, our Chief Financial Officer. Just to remind listers on the call that within the discussions today, the company may make certain forward-looking statements, including those that refer to our estimates, plans and expectations. Please refer to this morning's announcement and the company's UK and SEC filings for more details, including factors which could lead to actual results to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by any such forward-looking statements. Today, we plan to run through some slides before opening the call for Q&A. [Operator Instructions] As you know, whilst the focus today is on revenue performance, we've also provided group profit and margin details on both the reported and an adjusted basis with the full reconciliations, including full organic revenue growth, in our appendix. For information, we do not intend to provide quarterly profit data on an ongoing basis and we'll only do this for as long as Pfizer reports our results as part of its financial statements and until our registration rights agreement with Pfizer and JFK terminates. With that, I'd like to hand the call over to Tobias.

Tobias Hestler

Analyst · Rashad Kawan, Morgan Stanley

Thanks, Sonya, and good morning, everyone. Let me first start with our third quarter highlights. As you have seen from our release this morning, we had a good third quarter with 5% organic revenue growth, split 6.6% price and a 1.6% decline in volume/mix. This performance was underpinned by continued share gains across our business. Across the quarter, growth was driven by a number of categories, including continued strength in both Oral Health and Pain Relief, and it's encouraging to see VMS being back to growth. Respiratory also had a good quarter, with normal seasonal cold and flu sell-in. Digestive Health saw good consumption growth, but our results were negatively impacted by one-off inventory movements from some U.S. retailers. The latter was the primary driver with the volume/mix decline in Q3. Equally important, we saw continued good operating leverage, with inflationary cost pressures more than offset by price inefficiencies across the business, resulting in operating margin expansion of 90 basis points. On the back of today's strong numbers, I'm pleased to reiterate that we remain firmly on track to meet our full year guidance to grow organic revenues by 7% to 8% and operating profit 9% to 11% in constant currency, resulting in margin expansion. Finally, it's worth highlighting that we closed the sale of Lamisil in the last couple of days, earlier than we expected. You will recall that we announced the sale of the brand with our half year results. This demonstrates our commitment to optimize the portfolio to active brand management. Now turning to our third quarter results. Revenue of GBP 2.8 billion reflected 5% organic revenue growth. Adjusted operating profit was up 8.8% in constant currency, resulting in a 24.6% margin, up 90 basis points constant currency. As expected, the adverse impact of FX was most…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from the line of Rashad Kawan, Morgan Stanley.

Rashad Kawan

Analyst · Rashad Kawan, Morgan Stanley

A couple from me, please. The first one on the negative volume/mix in EMEA and LatAm. You talked about the decline, largely a function of weakness in Mexico and Colombia. Can you get into that a bit more what's driving that? Is it increased elasticity as a result of price increases, more competitive dynamics from peers? Any color there would be helpful. And then the second point, you're calling out the one-off retailer inventory adjustment in Digestive Health in North America, which means, obviously, it's material enough. Can you quantify that? And is that something that you'd expect to reverse into Q4?

Tobias Hestler

Analyst · Rashad Kawan, Morgan Stanley

Sure. Thanks, Richard. So first on LatAm. So I think not concerned about the overall price volume or pricing dynamics. I mean, overall, I mean, you've seen LatAm had sort of a strong quarter, up double digit in revenue. When you look at Colombia, they still had a COVID wave in Q3, so they're cycling over that. I think in Mexico, it has more to do with the shipment of cold and flu that are a little bit different between the quarters this year. So nothing particularly concerning to call out. I believe the team in LatAm has done a really good job and keep pushing up pricing in a very dynamic environment, but also maintaining overall the ability to hold volumes. On North America, so I think yes, 2 things. So I think the year-over-year -- so first of all, I mean the decline in Digestive Health, that's the biggest driver of why volumes were down, both for the North American market but also for the group overall. So that's the primary driver. What made Q3 a bit bigger is because, last year, we had built inventory because we had an out-of-stock situation, that we repiped inventory and build, there was an inventory build last year. This year, there was an inventory burn because some retailers decided to hold a little bit less inventory at the beginning of the quarter. Most importantly, consumption is still strong. So we have -- when you look at both the half year and also in the Q3 numbers, consumption on these products is still up, which is the most important thing. And I don't expect that to reverse. Look, I mean, it's hard to predict what retailers are doing. But this will not repeat or come back in Q4 from our perspective.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Guillaume Delmas, UBS.

Guillaume Gerard Delmas

Analyst · Guillaume Delmas, UBS

Two questions from me as well, please. The first one is on VMS. I mean, Tobias, can you shed a bit more light on the various brand developments in Q3? Because it seems that Centrum, your largest brand there, accelerated very nicely from low single digit in Q2 to double digit in Q3, but then Emergen-C remained a drag, Caltrate was unusually weak and the Local Brands in EMEA, LatAm had another soft quarter. So first, in terms of category growth, are you seeing an improvement in VMS? And then is it fair to assume that now that Emergen-C is fully normalized and that I would assume Caltrate should be back to growth in Q4, that VMS could very soon be back to its medium-term growth range ambition of mid- to high single digits? And then my second question is on your multiyear organic sales growth guidance of 4% to 6%. Appreciate it's early days, but can you already confirm that your ambition is to achieve 4% to 6% next year, so in 2024, despite the uncertainty around the Respiratory division and the tough comps in China?

Tobias Hestler

Analyst · Guillaume Delmas, UBS

Thanks, Guillaume. So let me start with VMS, right? So I mean, you pointed out Centrum, so feel really strong about this brand. I mean geographic expansion activation, activating on the clinical trials and the claims that we're rolling out globally. So I think the brand is really strong. And overall, it was pleasing to see that VMS is back to growth. And then you mentioned there were a few of the Local Brands, for example, [ Prevacid ] in Italy, which is more of a seasonal brand. So very mild summer in Italy, so there's a bit of ups and downs on those. So we're not broadly concerned about these brands. Also, we have a VMS brand in Russia that we stopped distributing, so wouldn't be too concerned about those. And then Caltrate was also more of a onetime thing. There was distributor change in China. And then last year, Southeast Asia was very strong. So again, I think not concerned about Caltrate also, particularly also not for China, where the biggest market is. On Emergen-C, what is good to see over the last few months, that consumption has stabilized. So -- and it stabilized pretty much at the 2019 levels in units, and then you have on top of that the innovation and the pricing we did. So it's been stabilized, and it's now following the pattern where it was pre-COVID. Of course, it's going to take us probably 2 more quarters to land there, but -- so it's going to -- until we fully cycle over it. But I think it's good to see that it's found the place at 19 and now going into the season, it's coming and starting to grow again. But -- so I think that will be behind us, I would say,…

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Celine Pannuti, JPMorgan.

Celine Pannuti

Analyst · Celine Pannuti, JPMorgan

My first question is a follow-up on what you just said. In terms of the pricing, you said the ability to tell the price. But I think early on in your commentary, you were talking about, going forward, a lower level of pricing that we have achieved this year. Can you talk about what kind of underlying pricing that we should be looking at? And then maybe is there any commentary you can make on costs that you are facing this year and how [ 2014 ] cost bill is shaping up -- 2024, excuse me, cost is shaping up? My second question is on volume. So you are guiding for volume to improve in Q4. If I take out the benefit -- or sorry, the impact, sorry, of the one-off issue in Digestive in the U.S., I get to minus 0.6% volume at the group level. Is that the ballpark of what you are -- we should be aiming for in Q4? And then in '24, maybe coming back on the previous question on that volume point, like we are seeing this unwind of volume that you benefited from in 2022. So here as well, I mean, do you expect that unwind to be an issue in the first half of the year?

Tobias Hestler

Analyst · Celine Pannuti, JPMorgan

Good. Thanks, Celine. So on pricing, so when you look at what we did in Q2, we had the peak in pricing. It was 7.9%. It came down to 6.6% in Q3, as I had said at half year, right? And I would expect that trend to continue. So now it doesn't mean we're not taking any pricing, right? So the team continues to take pricing. Of course, clearly in the emerging markets, where there's high inflation environment. But we also, for example, we took more price in the U.S. in September, mid-single digits to low double digit on about 1/4 of the portfolio. So I think we feel good about our ability to take price. Also, we have seen limited price elasticity today. So from that point, as we did a reassurance of our ability to take and doing that forward. Now of course, we're mindful on the consumer backdrop. But I think when you look and think what the team has done, I think we've found probably the good spot between pricing and volume. But of course, we're going to be responsible in the pricing we're taking overall in this environment. On the cost inflation, I think we're down into the mid-single digits. So that is clear. There are a few of the commodities start coming down. But then I think there's others that still stay stubbornly high, like sugar, anything that's sugar related. But also, of course, the thing for this, I think the bigger topic right now is labor cost and how labor costs evolve. And -- but again, I think what we have said before with pricing, I think we should have the ability to offset inflationary headwinds with the price that is coming through. And then on your volume question. So I think for…

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Karel Zoete, Kepler Cheuvreux.

Karel Zoete

Analyst · Karel Zoete, Kepler Cheuvreux

I have 2 questions. First one is especially a follow-up on China. You already provided some insights, highlighting the difficult comparison base for the pain franchise. How should we look at the coming quarters ahead? Is that going to be something where you would anticipate, therefore, a decline? Or are there also offsets in China? And the other thing is on the U.S. pain franchise. You mentioned Advil was down mid-single digits. And regarding Voltaren, you particularly mentioned the progress in the European markets. How is the brand doing in the United States?

Tobias Hestler

Analyst · Karel Zoete, Kepler Cheuvreux

Sorry, I didn't get your last one. I got China, the pain portfolio and Advil U.S. But then you said is Voltaren up...

Karel Zoete

Analyst · Karel Zoete, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yes, Voltaren. Yes, you highlighted that Voltaren is doing well in Europe, and it's good, probably improvement in Germany, too. But how is Voltaren doing in the U.S.?

Tobias Hestler

Analyst · Karel Zoete, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. Good. Thank you. I got it. So then let me start with China. So I think if I first explain a little bit what happened on Fenbid. Yes? So I think on Fenbid -- or in China, there was a second COVID wave in May. That was over May, June. Then the government in China expected another third wave. So they told retailers and pharmacies to keep stocking products. That didn't happen. So what -- and so luckily for our colleagues in China. So ultimately, what then we decided during the third quarter is to ramp inventory down to a normalized level given there was not another wave. Now last year, of course, you had the big pickup in Q4 and Q1. So we would expect a drag from that on the Pain Relief portfolio. But when you look at the rest of the portfolio in China, I think very strong brands. We see continued growth in the Oral Care business, in the Caltrate business and in the respiratory portfolio. So I think, yes, there's got to be a bit of a drag on the Pain Relief and on the China business as we cycle that over. But overall, feel good about our ability to grow the Chinese business. On Advil in the U.S., very competitive situation. Of course, Advil, key competitor is Tylenol. They have done very well. So I think we've got a bit of work to do. Now nothing surprising in the big portfolio like we have, right? And the Pain Relief overall, grew 6%. All the brands did well in that, even with the small drag or the drag they had from Fenbid in it. And then Advil was down, so key focus for us to put attention to that. We just took a price increase on it, which will support. But yes, I think it's one of those where we go head-to-head with a very strong competitor, yes? And then I think on Voltaren, I mean, overall, I think this year, I think we've seen good growth on the brand in aggregate. So I think also it's doing well in the U.S. We've done particularly well in Europe now. I think coming off higher use of systemic pain relief products that helps Voltaren. Because in times when people use a lot of tablets, they tend to reduce the use of topical pain relief medicines. Yes?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from the line of Chris Pitcher from Redburn.

Chris Pitcher

Analyst · Chris Pitcher from Redburn

I've got a couple of follow-ups and a question. Tobias, are you able to say what China growth would have been ex the destocking impact of Fenbid and Contac? I appreciate it's going to be an issue in the next couple of quarters, just to get the underlying growth there. And then on the question about volume growth into Q4, can you give us a bit of color about the mix effect you would expect within that, particularly with lower -- potentially lower respiratory sales? And then an underlying question. India, you highlight the strength of Oral Health. But can you say how Digestive Health performed and how the rollout of Centrum is doing?

Tobias Hestler

Analyst · Chris Pitcher from Redburn

Yes. Look, I think for me -- I mean, look, China overall has grown, right? So I really don't want to go into the ups and downs, right? I think -- I mean, ultimately, I think the China performance overall is strong. The Fenbid was bought a small drag there on both the Pain Relief category globally. And that was -- I think, I mean, ultimately, what the team has been doing, I think they've offset these impacts very well so far. And the good news is we have a broad portfolio in China that carries us through. I think on Q4, I mean, yes, I think as you mentioned, right, I mean, we would -- part of our guidance, we would expect volumes to be down in Respiratory. Now look, this is an assumption, so we need to see what the season does, but I think that is clear. There's going to be another drag clearly on Fenbid intended because that's when the consumption started. And then when you look at Digestive Health and Others, there should be a small help because last year we had a recall on Tums. I think that's probably the biggest puts and takes in the portfolio. And then, of course, you have to remove Lamisil from the model as well. I know it's small, but I think given we closed that a bit earlier that than we expected. And then I think the rest of the portfolio, I think we'd expect continued strong momentum and performance. Yes. And then you asked about India. Yes. Sonya, yes?

Sonya Ghobrial

Analyst · Chris Pitcher from Redburn

So I think on India, what I would say in Digestive Health is it was pretty strong, so it was double digits. So I mean that's obviously doing particularly well in the market in the quarter. So...

Chris Pitcher

Analyst · Chris Pitcher from Redburn

And the rollout of Centrum is still going to plan?

Sonya Ghobrial

Analyst · Chris Pitcher from Redburn

Yes, it is.

Tobias Hestler

Analyst · Chris Pitcher from Redburn

Yes.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Tom Sykes, Deutsche Bank.

Tom Sykes

Analyst · Tom Sykes, Deutsche Bank

Firstly, just on the gross cost savings, the GBP 300 million. I wondered if you could maybe just give us an update on when those should hit the P&L? And perhaps how much of the GBP 150 million, just to be clear, you would expect to spend in full year '23? And just on stand-alone costs, I mean, will there be any difference in seasonality in full year '24 versus '23, like there has been obviously in '23 versus '22? And if I can, just a quick one. Is there any part of your VMS business that has seen the GLP-1 impact at all? And do you expect an impact of at all people taking vitamins, supplements at all if they start embarking on taking those medicines?

Tobias Hestler

Analyst · Tom Sykes, Deutsche Bank

Thanks, Tom. So look, on the cost savings, we said the impacts are going to be in '24 and '25. We are making good progress. So we made announcement. So we are -- and given the announcements largely impact populations in Europe, we're in the middle of the grand consultation base, so it always takes a bit of time then for the savings to realize. Because as per labor law that we have in those countries, you have to get [indiscernible] before people are -- before people can exit the company. So from our perspective, we've made good progress on that. But we would expect the savings to hit in '24 and '25. On the stand-alone cost, I think that is now stable. I mean we're just ramping down now the TSA. They weren't a big amount. But year-over-year, you get the small benefit. And I think that's going to be completed quite soon. So from that point of view, this is history. And I would hope that from next quarter on, I don't need to talk about stand-alone costs anymore because they're in the base, there is no phasing, there is nothing to worry about that going forward. We just -- I put it in the bridge now, even it was only GBP 10 million because it was such a topic before. But that's going to be a history now very soon. And then, look, on your GLP-1 question, we don't think we have a direct impact on -- from GLP-1 from consumers potentially changing behaviors. I mean, ultimately, we believe it's a good thing if people want to take care of their health and want to live healthier. So I think that should be overall benefit us, in my view. But I don't think there's any direct impact, and it's also way too early to tell what it could do. But I don't see any direct consequences on our business at this point.

Operator

Operator

There are no more questions at this time.

Tobias Hestler

Analyst · Rashad Kawan, Morgan Stanley

All right. Thank you. So...

Sonya Ghobrial

Analyst · Chris Pitcher from Redburn

I think we just finish, there are just a couple of quick comments.

Tobias Hestler

Analyst · Rashad Kawan, Morgan Stanley

Yes. That's good. So look, thanks, everyone, for your time and your interest in Haleon. And as you've seen, we had a good quarter. I look forward to updating you on our progress next year together with Brian. And if you have any questions, please do reach out to our IR team. And also worth mentioning, we'll be hosting our first Haleon Highlights Mini Deep Dive that will be on Oral Health on the 7th of December in London, and we'll also webcast that. So thank you, and bye-bye for now.

Sonya Ghobrial

Analyst · Chris Pitcher from Redburn

Thanks very much.

Tobias Hestler

Analyst · Rashad Kawan, Morgan Stanley

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

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