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Hamilton Lane Incorporated (HLNE)

Q3 2020 Earnings Call· Tue, Feb 4, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, my name is Denise, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Hamilton Lane Incorporated Third Quarter Fiscal Year 2020 Earnings Conference. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session.I’d like to hand the call over to John Oh, Investor Relations Manager. You may begin your conference.

John Oh

Management

Thank you, Denise. Good morning and welcome to the Hamilton Lane Q3 fiscal 2020 earnings call. Today, I will be joined by Mario Giannini, CEO; Erik Hirsch, Vice Chairman; and Atul Varma, CFO.Before we discuss the quarter’s results, we want to remind you that we will be making forward-looking statements based on our current expectations for the business. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause the actual results to differ materially. For a discussion of these risks, please review the risk factors included in the Hamilton Lane fiscal 2019 10-K and subsequent reports we file with the SEC.We will also be referring to non-GAAP measures that we view as important in assessing the performance of our business. Reconciliation of those non-GAAP measures to GAAP can be found in the earnings presentation materials, which we will be referencing throughout the call and will also be shown on the webcast. These materials are available on the public Investor Relations section of the Hamilton Lane website. Our detailed financial results we’ve made available when our 10-Q was filed. Please note that nothing on this call represents an offer to sell or solicitation to purchase interest in any of Hamilton Lane’s products.Beginning on Slide 3. Year-to-date, our management and advisory fee revenue grew by 12% 15% while our fee related earnings also grew by approximately 12%. This translated into year-to-date non-GAAP EPS of $1.41, based on approximately $76 million of adjusted net income and GAAP EPS of $1.44 based on approximately $40 million of GAAP net income.Consistent with the two prior fiscal quarters, we have again declared a dividend of $0.275 per share this quarter, which keeps us on track for the 29% increase over the last fiscal year and equates to $1.10 per share for fiscal year 2020.With that, I’ll now turn the call over to Mario.

Mario Giannini

Management

Thank you, John and good morning. As John noted, we are pleased that Atul has joined us as our new Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer which became effective on January 6. Atul bring to our firm two decades of leadership experience in financial services, most recently at Bank of New York, Mellon where he held the roles of Head of Business Strategy and Chief Financial Officer for wealth management.As many of you know or saw in the press release, Atul will be succeeding Randy Stilman who retired from Hamilton Lane after having served the company for over 22 years. Randy will be staying on into the year to ensure a smooth transition. I, along with everyone at Hamilton Lane extend our sincere thanks to Randy and wish him the very best in his retirement.Now shifting gears, a little, I want to address a topic that we here at Hamilton Lane are very proud to discuss. For the eighth consecutive year, Hamilton Lane was recognized as a best place to work in money management by Pensions & Investments magazine. We are only one -- we are one of only five companies to earn this distinction for eight consecutive years, which is as long as they've been bestowing the award. For those who have followed us since we became public, you have consistently heard us speak to the importance of fostering a workplace and a culture that our employees are proud to be a part of every single day.We believe that pride directly correlates to a willingness to go above and beyond for our clients and a strong desire to win at whatever we are doing. We employ terrific people who in turn make Hamilton Lane a truly unique and special place to work.Next, I want to touch upon a recent piece…

Erik Hirsch

Management

Thanks, Mario and good morning. Moving on to Slide five, we highlight our Fee-Earning AUM. As a reminder, Fee-Earning AUM is the combination of our customized separate accounts and our specialized funds with basis point driven management fees. We will continue to emphasize that this is the most significant driver of our business, as it makes up over 80% of our management and advisory fees.Relative to the prior year period, total fee-earning AUM grew $4.6 billion or 14% stemming from positive fund flows across both our specialized funds and our customized separate accounts.Taken separately, nearly $2.1 billion of net fee-earning AUM came from our customized separate accounts and over the same time period nearly $2.5 billion came from our specialized funds.Growth continues to be driven by four key components: one, re-ups from our existing clients; two, winning and adding new clients; three, growing our existing fund platforms; and four, raising new specialized funds. What you also see here is that our fee rates have remained steady even while we continue to grow fee-earning AUM.Moving to slide six, fee-earning AUM from our customized separate accounts stood at approximately $23 billion growing approximately 10% over the last 12 months. We continue to see growth coming from a variety of avenues.As you've heard us say in the past, re-ups from our existing client base remains a key component of the growth. In addition, we continue to expand our existing client base by winning and adding brand new relationships, which in turn provide a growing base for future re-up opportunities.As for our specialized funds, growth continues to be strong. We are executing well across our product suite, and demand remains robust coming like the rest of our business from a diversified set of investors around the globe. Over the last 12 months, we achieved…

Atul Varma

Management

Thank you, Erik and good morning everyone. As Mario mentioned earlier, I have come on as the new CFO for Hamilton Lane. I'm excited to help build upon all the great work already in place, and look forward to working with you all.Now moving to slide eight of the presentation, here we show the year-to-date financial highlights for fiscal year 2020. We continue to see very solid growth in our business with management and advisory fee up 12% versus the prior year, driven by stronger growth across our core products and services.Our specialized funds revenue increased $14.6 million from the prior year period driven by approximately $1.4 billion raised in our latest secondary fund in the current fiscal year and approximately $500 million raised between periods for our latest co-investment fund.We recognized $2.8 million year-to-date in retro-fees from the co-investment fund compared to $1.1 million in the prior year period. As many of you are likely aware, investors that come into later closes at the fund raise, for many of our products, the retroactive fees dating back to the funds first close.Therefore, you typically see a spike in management fee related a debt fund for the quarter in which subsequent closings occurred. Revenue from our customized separate accounts increased approximately $4 million compared to the prior year period due to the addition of several new accounts and re-ups from existing clients.Revenue from our advisory and reporting offerings was relatively flat compared to the prior year period. The final component of our revenue is incentive fees. Incentive fees for the period was $17.5 million or approximately 9% of total revenue. Noteworthy this quarter, was that we saw an additional four vehicles move into realized incentive fee provision. While the dollars were small, it continues to show a positive trend of strong…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Ken Worthington with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Ken Worthington

Analyst

Hi, good morning. Maybe first the incentive fee outlook, accrued incentives continues to rise. How should we think about the growth in incentive income in 2020 versus 2019 and maybe any color you can share on cadence if that is at all possible?

Erik Hirsch

Management

Sure Ken, thank you, it's Erik. We're happy to take that. I would say as we kind of delve within the script, this story continues to be a positive one. The pieces that we can control are how many vehicles are we raising that actually have a carry component and you see that, that continues to grow very strong year-over-year. And so we've essentially added about 20 accounts over the last two prior years.The other piece that we can control is making sure that we're investing in good transactions. And I think you can sort of see that reflected both in the performance of the vehicles, and you can sort of see that flowing through in terms of the unrealized carry appreciation, and what we're sort of showing on the other income, which is effectively our investments alongside clients. So all of that to us points to good results, good growth around that. You also see that those assets are continuing to age. We note that four vehicles rolled over and are now in realized carry position. You'll recall that we're using again sort of the most conservative scenarios here around how we treat carry. We've got to be in a full cash position.So, I think this is all then becomes we would say very well positioned now it sort of depends on what happens with the markets. If the markets continue to stay as they are, I think we expect to continue to see good results across the carry pool.

Ken Worthington

Analyst

And then just maybe a Cobalt pricing. You were -- I think retiring shares. Is there a taxable loss here, or is there a taxable gain here? Is there anything that actually flows through the P&L of any substance, and maybe not? And then just, is this the first time you've fully have acquired a technology company before like you've got a lot of investments. But is this the first time you've gone all the way with like 100% ownership. And maybe you can do one more time, why does it make more sense to acquire all of Cobalt versus to continuing to participate it through a Revshare [ph] on Bison.

Erik Hirsch

Management

So Ken, it’s Erik. I'll stick with that one. The answer to your first question around is there going to be any kind of tax will impact or flow through, the answer to that is no. So, the acquisition was a mix of some cash off a balance sheet, and not simply agreeing to retire some of our stock, but no impact there on P&L. Your second question in terms of what does this all mean? Is this the first time? The answer to that is yes, this is the first time that we have wholly acquired technology 100% and have fully brought that piece in-house.To your third point, does this sort of make sense or was there another way to participate? The business at Bison was set up as we noted into sort of two components. One that is very clearly selling to GPs, and one that's selling to LPs. For us, we don't want to be in the business of selling to GP. That's not our focus. It's not our core target audience. We deal with LPs only. So, I think having Bison, the parent continuing to focus on the GP market, makes the most sense.The reason we believe it makes sense for us to fully acquire the LP side and bring it in-house is really it lets us to kind of control the destiny. Bison has been an incredibly important strategic partner to us. And it's a relationship that we value today and we'll continue to value in the future as a large shareholder. And I think, the fact, that we're keeping the brand reflects the fact that we intend on working very closely side-by-side with the two components. But us owning this outright means that we can decide pricing strategies, investment in R&D, technology direction, footprint for that, we feel like the product has good traction, it has good brand. We have obviously a customer base that's using it very successfully. And so we think it's at a maturation point where we think we can help sort of move it to the next level and be core and strategic to our business.

Ken Worthington

Analyst

Great. Thank you very much.

Erik Hirsch

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Michael Cyprys with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Peter Kaloostian

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Hey, good morning. This is Peter Kaloostian standing in for Mike Cyprys. I just hoping you could give some color on a potential seasonal uplift in fundraising in calendar 1Q, just knowing that, that's historically been one-year stronger quarters? Thanks.

Erik Hirsch

Management

Sure. It's Erik. I'll take that, Peter. Thanks for the question. I think what you see is, there is some seasonality, but I would say it's also largely driven by just where we are in the product cycle mix. We have said on prior calls and we'll reiterate here again. Our products tend and again, historically have tended to have more barbell approaches to fundraising. You're giving clients oftentimes an incentive to come into a first close with some sort of a closing discount that's very much industry norm today. And so you entice people to come into an early closing to be anchor and to be supportive. And then, you have the rest of the group that tends to want to wait until the very back end. And so you tend to have heavy front and heavy ending.I think for us on the secondary side, the fact that we're at the 1.4 number and are sort of sitting here in the middle, we think bodes well for where that is. We've got a lot of time left on the calendar to continue to raise that. We note that it's really in Q3 of fiscal 2021. And so, we think we're very, very well-positioned for that. The other part that does tend to be calendar-oriented is around some of the separate accounts. Not surprising to you that some of the clients will make decisions at the end of calendar year. And so, you often tend to see clients focusing on re-ups, new contract extensions at the end of their calendar year period in the -- at the end of effectively the fourth quarter.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Alex Blostein with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Alex Blostein

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Hi. Good morning. So, maybe follow-up to Ken's question earlier around Cobalt and opportunity you guys see for Hamilton Lane by owning 100% of that part of the business. So, I think you said the ARR is $1.8 million. Can you expand on that a little bit, meaning, are there other sources of revenues that could be a little bit one off-ish as that business grows? And more importantly, how do you think about the addressable market for this part of the business now that you own it? Maybe talk a little bit of like percentage of your LPs that currently use them, where they could go over time just to kind of help frame the opportunity better?

Erik Hirsch

Management

Sure. It's Erik. I'll take that. So, I think the way we think about this as we noted is kind of this offense and defense. So on an offensive side, Cobalt is a very much of an empowering tool to LPs who want to have some element of kind of do it yourself component to their analytics and data. And so, for some of those clients they may not be core Hamilton Lane customers. So it opens up in another part of an addressable market for us. For some of the existing Hamilton Lane customers, they're already paying us to do a lot of that work for them. And so, the way we can use that defensively is a way to differentiate between what we're offering and what competitors are offering.We've talked in the past about one of the ways we're able to kind of maintain our fees at a very steady rate, is that we're kind of working harder for that dollar today. We believe that the wider that the service package gets, we think that's more pressure that we're putting on competitors. We're going to struggle to kind of match us service for service. We think by owning this technology it again sort of positions us in a very clearly differentiated way.The other piece that's nice, and again we're using it as sort of an enticement of, hey, if you're looking at our secondary fund or someone else's secondary fund, this is a little perk that we can include again by owning this technology outright. It just is another thing that we can provide to the customer to have their experience with us, be very, very different than what their experience would be with competitors. We think the addressable market here is very large. We continue to see more and more LPs flowing into the marketplace. And so as we know, it's early days, the growth has been very attractive. And so while what we have today in ARR is not obviously driving our business forward. We think we can use this in a lot of different ways to have both positive revenue impact, as well as positive differentiation against peers.

Alex Blostein

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Great. That makes sense. And just a follow-up around the expense guidance. So, I heard your comments around the lease and the impact on G&A. But maybe just taking a step back as we're looking into your fiscal 2021, help us frame kind of the outlook for expenses both for comp and non-comp as you'll account into next year?

Erik Hirsch

Management

Sure. It's Erik. I'll stay with that one. I think what we're seeing here is that -- I think the G&A story has been sort of multifaceted. So in the early years of being public we were obviously putting in some additional expenses related to being a public company. I think what you're seeing now is really the result of being a growth company. You're seeing some of the tax spend continue to go. The commission's piece we talked about and that's the result of having successful fundraisers is that you do have some commissions that you're paying out. That said, I think those pieces will continue to be a factor. But aside from the new rent increase, I think we're working very hard on kind of holding the line on additional G&A kind of increases around that.We've made a lot of the investment now and you're seeing it. And you're also seeing it, frankly in the comp side. Comp is actually coming down. Now part of that is again sort of the result of the earn out not being there. But the other piece is, we're seeing some of the benefit of that technology making the employee base more efficient and us not needing to go add a ton new bodies every time we add new business. Those tools are beginning to start to pay off. Again, early days for that, but we think very encouraging.

Alex Blostein

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Great. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Chris Kotowski with Oppenheimer & Company. Your line is open.

Kevin Trippe

Analyst · Oppenheimer & Company. Your line is open.

Hi. Good morning. This is Kevin Trippe filling in for Chris. And thank you for taking question. Looking at the overall landscape for the year ahead what expectations do you have on general fundraising trends? And as recent news, had any impacts on that? For example, with the LPs focused on geography for SMAs, has it been impacted by news around the coronavirus. We've been seeing figures floating around of roughly say like a 50 to 100 basis point impact on China's GDP as a potential result?

Mario Giannini

Management

Hi, Kevin, it's Mario. We have not -- if Chinese GDP went down 1%, I think we would be sitting here saying, we'll have virtually no impact on fundraising. I think that the fundraising trends we see are more secular in terms of the appetite for alternatives across all of them, whether it's equity or debt or real assets. And that everything we have seen, everything you have read indicates that that continues. The trend towards having more alternatives in portfolios again across all the different kinds of alternatives is something that we see continuing on into 2021 and a few years more. So as you look at the landscape I don't think it may be impacted month over month, but it's not impacted in any material way looking out quarter-over-quarter or year-over-year simply because as I said, people want more alternatives in their portfolios. So, I don't -- as we look at it we just don't see any change in that trend, certainly based on any news or anything that is happening in the markets.

Kevin Trippe

Analyst · Oppenheimer & Company. Your line is open.

Okay, perfect. Thank you. Appreciate it. That's it for today.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Robert Lee with KBW. Your line is open.

Robert Lee

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

Great. Good morning guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just following up on the fundraising. Clearly Erik, you talked about the secondaries fund you're raising and stuff. Can you give us a little bit maybe updated color around? I know, that there's, as you mentioned the credit and Evergreen fund, but also other strategies maybe not listed here that maybe are starting out or that could be coming on board over the next year?

Erik Hirsch

Management

Hey, Rob. Thanks. It's Erik. I'll take that. So, I think you got it right, which is secondary fund is sort of the big flagship that we're focused on. Credit, as you know is perpetually a focus since that's one-year investment cycle, so we're effectively always in market raising. We didn't go into and we won't go into kind of every quarter what's happening on the fund flows for the Evergreen. We did note that it's been positive inflows. We continue to see very strong traction there. And are -- again, well it's early very encouraged with what we're seeing. I think on the new product side, I think for competitive reasons, don't want to overly telegraph kind of what we have in process around that. We do continue to work on and are focused on expanding the product offering. And so, our intent to do that and I think as we start to see more traction there and we get to a point where we're happy to talk about it we'll do so.

Robert Lee

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

Great. Well then also maybe on the separate count business, if there's any kind of a color you could give on maybe kind of like pipelines, if we look at our next 12 months is it kind of steady as she goes with kind of this relatively consistent kind of 10%-ish type growth? Or is there any change in kind of investor appetite around that increased or decreased?

Mario Giannini

Management

Rob, it's Mario. No, it looks to be the way it's been. The pipelines good. Investor demand for separate accounts remains healthy. And we feel like we're well positioned to meet that demand. The separate account market is one where people want very different things. Some want just geography or this kind of risk return profile. And as portfolios develop people want more separate accounts, because they want something that is tailored to what they are trying to achieve in the private markets. So our outlook and our experience based on what we're seeing in terms of the flow of interests that is a very robust part of the market. And we just don't see any big change in that from what we've experienced.

Robert Lee

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

Great. If I could just maybe ask one follow-up. This is going back to the secondary fund. So, understanding the last one was a 1.9 billion [ph] and you're still fundraising over a period of time. I mean, how do you think of it -- some competitors out there you kind of get the sense they do larger fundraises, they kind of close it all more quickly. Is there something different? Do you think about how your approach to fundraising and how you like to close the fund versus what you're seeing from some competitors?

Erik Hirsch

Management

Sure, Rob. It's Erik. I'll take that. Look, I think it's a mix. I think everybody has a different approach of when they fundraise and how invested they are, and what their approach is with LPs. I think we frankly have liked more of this kind of steady approach. We'd like the funds being open a longer period of time, recognize that some of our separate accounts invest in the products. So having that open. Having that product accessible to our customers we think is a very positive thing for us to kind of try to raise that. We don't see a lot of advantage to it. And so I think this is sort of to each their own and we all have a different style on doing that. But from our end, I think we feel good about where we are. We feel good about the capital that's flowing in. And as Mario mentioned, the pipeline on the product side also remains as robust as it does on the separate accounts side.

Robert Lee

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

Great. Thanks for taking my question.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions queued up at this time. I'll turn the call back over to Erik Hirsch for closing remarks.

Erik Hirsch

Management

Great. We wanted to say thank you. We appreciate the support. We appreciate the time today. Have a nice day.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.