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HNI Corporation (HNI)

Q1 2025 Earnings Call· Wed, May 7, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for standing by. My name is Eric, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the HNI Corporation First Quarter Fiscal 2025 Results Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I'd now like to turn the call over to Mr. McCall. Please go ahead.

Matt McCall

Analyst

Good morning. My name is Matt McCall. I am Vice President, Investor Relations and Corporate Development for HNI Corporation. Thank you for joining us to discuss our first quarter fiscal year 2025 results. With me today are Jeff Lorenger, Chairman, President and CEO; and VP Berger, Executive Vice President and CFO. Copies of our financial news release and non-GAAP reconciliations are posted on our website. Statements made during this call that are not strictly historical facts are forward-looking statements, which are subject to known and unknown risks. Actual results could differ materially. The financial news release posted on our website includes additional factors that could affect actual results. The corporation assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements made during the call. I'm now pleased to turn the call over to Jeff Lorenger. Jeff?

Jeff Lorenger

Analyst

Thanks, Matt. Good morning and thank you for joining us. I'm going to divide my commentary today into three sections. First, I will provide some comments on our first quarter results. Non-GAAP EPS increased nearly 20% year-over-year with revenue growth returning in both segments. Next, I will discuss our expectations for 2025. Our earnings outlook remains unchanged from what we provided on last quarter's call. We continue to anticipate a fourth consecutive year of double-digit non-GAAP earnings improvement. And finally, I'll provide additional detail about our EPS growth visibility and discuss how we see our markets playing out over the remainder of the year. In general, we are proceeding with caution, but also with confidence in our strategies. Following those highlights, VP will provide more detail around our second quarter and full year 2025 outlook. He will also comment on our strong balance sheet. I will conclude with some closing comments before we open the call to your questions. Let's start with the first quarter. Our members delivered $0.44 of non-GAAP earnings per share. The 19% year-over-year growth was better than we anticipated. Year-on-year revenue growth returned with both segments reporting improvement and both modestly exceeding the ranges we discussed last quarter. Workplace Furnishings revenue increased slightly versus the same period of 2024, and Residential Building Products revenue grew 7% year-over-year. Profitability was also better than we anticipated. Consolidated non-GAAP gross and operating margins expanded on a year-on-year basis to 40% and 5.3%, respectively, driven by incremental productivity gains, synergy capture and volume growth. Our non-GAAP operating margin reached the highest first quarter level since 2007. During the quarter, revenue from contract customers increased 4% year-over-year, while shipments to small and medium sized customers declined approximately 5% versus the same period of 2024. Within SMB, we experienced continued soft transactional…

VP Berger

Analyst

Thanks, Jeff. I'll start by discussing our outlook for revenue and profit. Beginning with the top line, second quarter revenue in Workplace Furnishings is expected to increase at a mid-single-digit rate year-over-year when including the impact of tariff-related pricing actions. The benefits of improving orders and backlog are expected to drive revenue growth again in the second quarter for 2025. The Residential Building Products, second quarter 2025 net sales are projected to increase at a low single-digit rate compared to the same period in 2024. We expect pricing actions to drive the majority of the growth with remodel-retrofit and new home construction volume growth returning in the back half of the year. We will be watching several key housing market drivers, including interest rates, home affordability and consumer confidence as the year progresses. Shifting to our second quarter profit outlook, similar to last quarter, we expect temporary price cost pressure related to tariffs. First quarter pressure was lower than previously expected given the delays of tariff implementation. However, we now expect total tariff-related price cost margin pressure in the second quarter to total $3 million to $5 million. As we look to the full year and based on what we know today, we continue to expect to offset the majority of the first half drag in the second half of 2025. And even when including the anticipated impact of tariffs, we are still expecting non-GAAP earnings per share in the second quarter of 2025 to increase solidly from 2024 levels. This projected improvement is driven by productivity benefits and volume growth, partially offset by investments. The tariff situation remains fluid. However, we have the flexibility to adjust and expect to be able to manage the estimated impact for the full year. We have utilized a surcharge to allow us to…

Jeff Lorenger

Analyst

Thanks, VP. We remain focused on investing to drive revenue growth and on expanding margins. No doubt the operating environment is dynamic. However, we have multiple avenues to drive growth and are prepared to manage through demand uncertainty and expect to extend our track record of consecutive years of double-digit EPS growth. And beyond 2025, we are positioned for continued success. We have elevated earnings growth visibility through 2026, broad and diverse product and market coverage in Workplace Furnishings, market-leading positions in Residential Building Products, and we continue to invest to drive growth. All this is supported by our strong balance sheet and the ability to generate continued free cash flow. I want to thank each and every HNI member for their continued dedication and focus to succeed and congratulate them on another strong quarter. We will now open the call to your questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Greg Burns with Sidoti. Please go ahead.

Greg Burns

Analyst

Good morning. Just first, I think, you mentioned that contract orders were up 4%. What was the SMB order number last quarter?

VP Berger

Analyst

Slightly down 5% for Q1 orders at SMB.

Greg Burns

Analyst

Okay. Okay. And it doesn't sound like there's been any kind of meaningful change in order patterns or buying activity, but are you hearing anything given kind of the increased uncertainty that we're seeing out there? Is there anything that maybe gives you pause where you might expect maybe contract demand to slow or catch down to what you're seeing in the SMB market?

Jeff Lorenger

Analyst

Greg, look, there's -- let's start with there is a lot of uncertainty out there. But I would tell you, our funnel looks good. It's encouraging. Backlog is encouraging. We've been talking quite a bit about how some of these customers have been revising, revamping, relooking at these -- their offices and their moves, their orders. And so, right now, we feel that we've got -- it's a bit mixed, but look those customers are committed. What we see is a lot of people making decisions for the long-term. Those customers tend to invest in their businesses, have more wherewithal to invest in their businesses than maybe some of the smaller SMB, who turn on and off quickly. So it could change. But right now what we see is that momentum holding up in the near-term and customers are hanging in there and are ready to invest in their business.

Greg Burns

Analyst

Okay, great. And then, I guess, maybe now on the hospitality side, you mentioned there's kind of more lumpiness or volatility there. Was it just against a tough comp this quarter? Or are you seeing any change in the demand environment in the hospitality space?

Jeff Lorenger

Analyst

Yes. Look, one, it was a really tough comp this quarter. That's a big chunk of it. And the demand is -- it's kind of a tale of two cities here. There's been some pull forward and then some delay. I would say that business really breaks in two ways, what we call program business and then custom business. The program business is kind of set. Those things are really kind of continuing to move forward. Some of the custom stuff is we've seen some pause on and some reflection on timing and when people want to pull the trigger. So that business will probably see that choppiness continue here for a bit less, less the tough comp in the first quarter.

Greg Burns

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Reuben Garner with Benchmark. Please go ahead.

Reuben Garner

Analyst · Benchmark. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good morning everyone.

Jeff Lorenger

Analyst · Benchmark. Please go ahead.

Good morning.

VP Berger

Analyst · Benchmark. Please go ahead.

Good morning.

Reuben Garner

Analyst · Benchmark. Please go ahead.

Two questions on the SMB business. Did you see any improvement in the transactional part of that in April when the tariffs were pulled back? Or has it kind of remained muted? And then secondarily, I think, if I recall correctly, the low end of that business historically would kind of compete with some product coming in from China. Is that an opportunity for you guys? Or do you have to bring in enough yourself that it's more of a neutral impact on you?

Jeff Lorenger

Analyst · Benchmark. Please go ahead.

I think, Reuben, a couple of answers there. I guess, the first, the SMB, we talked about Q1 orders being down 5% transactional is obviously in there. It's a piece of it, a small piece of it. But it's also the business that goes in first, like we talked about last quarter. When there's macro uncertainty that our quick buying decisions doesn't require a lot of design help, those are the quickest to go in, but they're also the quickest to go out. So you're asked about April. We actually did see orders start to pick back up over the last five weeks in that business. So it shows you the -- it's the resiliency of it, and Jeff mentioned how important it is to us, and we're actually seeing some signs that there's some light to that. As it relates to products, we can take that on our own. So a lot of -- most of the product, if not the majority of that is stuff that we can build ourselves, we are not dependent on China for those products. So we feel like our go-to-market and support there is not indicative or needed depending on anything that happens in Asia. We can handle that right here.

Reuben Garner

Analyst · Benchmark. Please go ahead.

Okay. And then the change in the tariff impact to you or the impact in the second quarter was that mostly related to the change in the percentage on China? Or was there other factors may be reduced surcharge or others that led to that?

Jeff Lorenger

Analyst · Benchmark. Please go ahead.

I think the easiest way to describe that it's really a delay from what we talked about three months ago and what happened with tariff delays and then our order backlog built. And as the order backlog built, we're honoring those orders that are in backlog. We're not actually applying it to them. So it's really no fundamental change that we talked about before, except we have a bigger order book. And then we have -- we're protecting that for our customers. The good news is we have the orders. So I mentioned the drag of $3 million to $5 million. We still fully expect that the actions that we've taken between surcharge and list across all the businesses, we'll cover that from a full year standpoint.

VP Berger

Analyst · Benchmark. Please go ahead.

And Reuben, I think, the 80:20 to your question is it's China. That second quarter was China driven for sure.

Reuben Garner

Analyst · Benchmark. Please go ahead.

Got it. Very helpful. And last one, I'm going to sneak one more in, if I can. The residential outlook for the second half some, I guess, loose peers in the building products space that's kind of been reducing end market assumptions for both new housing and R&R certainly new housing, maybe less so R&R. But can you talk about what your end market assumptions are for the second half? In other words, what do you have in your control because of the easier comparisons with inventory and the growth investments that you've got internally?

Jeff Lorenger

Analyst · Benchmark. Please go ahead.

Yes, I think, there's a couple of things. We don't see a lot of help in the market in NCC, Reuben. Permits have been down in the last four months, low single digits. So we're not predicting any help there, and we weren't predicting a lot of help on the remodel side from a retail standpoint, but we also didn't see it as a negative. So the way we see our growth there, Reuben, is our strategic initiatives are kicking in. We started those investments last year. You saw in the first quarter, we grew 7%, primarily in the remodel-retrofit market. As the year progresses, we put out there low single digits. The new construction piece of that will be on the lower end of that and the remodel side will be on the mid-single digits. And we see that just based on the initiatives that we have in place and where we made the investments. So limited market help, yet we still expect low single-digit growth in Q2 and mid-single digits for the full year.

Reuben Garner

Analyst · Benchmark. Please go ahead.

Great. Thank you guys for the help. I appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Steven Ramsey with Thompson Research Group. Please go ahead.

Steven Ramsey

Analyst · Thompson Research Group. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning. Maybe to start out building on that residential topic, one of the focal points at the builder show a couple of months ago was the higher price point products with compelling features for the higher-end consumer. Can you talk about this rollout thus far, the traction you're getting? And in this macro environment, do you expect that could be resilient? Or do you expect any kind of pull back in the near-term, but maybe not changing your long-term view of where that product set can go?

Jeff Lorenger

Analyst · Thompson Research Group. Please go ahead.

Yes, Steven, I think that's good insight. I think we do believe that's a strong platform for us, and we see that nothing is totally recession proof, so to speak. But that business -- that piece of the business has held up nicely and the rate at which we are deploying that platform into the market has been well received. A lot of that product line is well received. And so we think that can provide -- will continue to provide support for us going forward. VP, I don't know if you have anything else to add?

VP Berger

Analyst · Thompson Research Group. Please go ahead.

Yes. I mean, it's going in a lot of custom homes, and those are relatively resilient. So I agree.

Steven Ramsey

Analyst · Thompson Research Group. Please go ahead.

Okay. That's helpful. And then I wanted to pull up high level, think about Mexico production and with the changing or evolving geopolitical situation. Is there anything that kind of changes your strategic outlook around your production base there in the near-term or long-term?

Jeff Lorenger

Analyst · Thompson Research Group. Please go ahead.

Steven, no, it really doesn't. We did that for supporting our growth initiative when we went down there and that's still the case. We built a seating center of excellence there and we take the long-term view. And so we have not -- we continue to invest, and we see that as a really big part of our story, and we like our position there. So we don't -- we haven't really changed our view. As we often say, we're long-term investors and it's helping our visibility story that we keep talking about as well this year and next.

Steven Ramsey

Analyst · Thompson Research Group. Please go ahead.

Okay. Great. And then last one for me, thinking about the earnings visibility that you have for this year and into next year, very solid. How do you expect that to translate into free cash flow over the next couple of years? I know you've got investments you're making, including CapEx, but curious how that translates into free cash flow?

Jeff Lorenger

Analyst · Thompson Research Group. Please go ahead.

Yes, I'd say, we put the number of $45 million to $50 million that are going to come from those two transformational efforts. That will obviously generate that from a free cash flow standpoint. We expect that to be split between 2025 and 2026. And all it's going to do is allow us to continue our current capital -- it will allow us make more investments. It will allow us to evaluate if we want to do more stock buybacks. So I think it just continues to create the financial flexibility. And the fact that those projects are underway, we're actually able to plan to have that cash flow in what we're doing.

Steven Ramsey

Analyst · Thompson Research Group. Please go ahead.

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brian Gordon with Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Brian Gordon

Analyst · Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Good morning everyone and congratulations on the quarter. I guess, I have a tale of two cities question myself. If we take a look at the softness, especially on the order side with SMB and try and contrast that with the strength that you guys had in renovations for RBP, what do you make of that in terms of what it says about where main street and the consumer is? Because they seem to be kind of leading us in slightly different directions.

Jeff Lorenger

Analyst · Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Yes. I think part of that is probably -- if you look at the people with mortgages under 4% remaining in place, I think, high equity in their homes, and they're -- the remodel activity has been fairly robust. I think we've seen that. And so, it's a little bit of a different, I wouldn't say they're -- I understand your question. I wouldn't say they're exactly the same. They maybe have a small business that they go and work at and they want to pull back because they're nervous. But at home, they feel more confident to do that remodel project they've been talking about. That's kind of how I see it. And we've seen this in the past as well. This one, I would tell you, is a little bit more unique relative to the remodel side just because the housing thing has been -- is more of a in place long-standing situation relative to people not moving. We all know that secondary home market has been kind of locked up. And in the other SMB business, it's behaving exactly like it behaves. Every time we see a kind of a shock to the system and the economy. And so that doesn't surprise us at all.

Brian Gordon

Analyst · Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Great. Thanks. That definitely makes sense. I guess my second question, and this is kind of a shifting focus to supply chains that you guys have, as tariffs have started to affect things, are there any constraints that have come up that have been unexpected? And kind of where are you in terms of like the adjustments that you need to make to hit your full year guidance?

VP Berger

Analyst · Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Yes. I would say we haven't run in any constraints. In fact, we've got a pretty resilient supply chain where we're able to move product to other countries. We've talked about this really isn't just about price. There's cost reductions, there's concessions from suppliers and there's actually our ability to move stuff. So I would say that, that hasn't been an issue as it relates to how we're managing and it was just important to get our heads around what it is. What it is today is actually different than it was 90 days ago. That's allowed us to be proactive with our trade and communicate with them. That's important with them, so they can actually give good cost estimates with projects. And all of that's allowing us to be able to navigate it, I would say. And like we mentioned, we expect to offset the costs that we've already seen and the drag in the first half throughout the remainder of the year.

Brian Gordon

Analyst · Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Lorenger for closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Jeff Lorenger

Analyst

Great. Thanks for everybody taking the time out of their day to join us and get the update on our first quarter. Have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining, and you may now disconnect.