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Hudson Pacific Properties, Inc. (HPP)

Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 25, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Greetings. And welcome to the Hudson Pacific Properties Inc Fourth Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host today, Kay Tidwell. Thank you. You may begin.

Kay Tidwell

Analyst

Good afternoon, everyone. And welcome to Hudson Pacific Properties fourth quarter 2015 earnings conference call. With us today are the Company’s Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Victor Coleman; and Chief Financial Officer, and Chief Operating Officer, Mark Lammas. Other members of the Company, Senior Management team are also here to answer questions. Before I hand the call over to them, please note that on this call, certain information presented contains forward-looking statements. These statements are based on management’s current expectations and are subject to risks, uncertainties and assumptions. Potential risks and uncertainties that could cause the Company’s business and financial results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements are described in the Company’s periodic reports filed with the SEC from time to time. All information discussed on this call is as of today, February 25, 2016, and Hudson Pacific does not intend and undertakes no duty to update future events or circumstances. In addition, certain of the financial information presented in this call represents non-GAAP financial measures. The company’s earnings release, which was released this afternoon and is available on the company’s website, presents reconciliations to the appropriate GAAP measure and an explanation of why the company believes such non-GAAP financial measures are useful to investors. And now I’d like to turn the call over to Victor Coleman, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Hudson Pacific. Victor?

Victor Coleman

Analyst

Thanks, Kay. Good afternoon, and welcome everyone to our fourth quarter call. It won’t surprise anyone listening today, our conversations with investors over the last several months and really since May, June, have focused on the state of tech in Venture capital, and in turn, what 2016 will hold for our tenants in market. This is an important dialogue and rest assured that we’re monitoring the larger macroeconomic – environment as well as the situation on the ground with great intensity. In the phase of these potential headwinds, 2015 was a banner year for us in Pacific. We doubled the size of our company, and portfolio to over 17 million square feet by purchasing 26 perceptional Northern California assets. Gain of once in a life lifetime foothold with significant value added opportunities in the nations top-performing high barrier office markets. We executed 1.6 million square feet of leases and cash rent spreads north of 30% and added exceptional tenants like Netflix, Wal-Mart, Stanford and Google to our portfolio. We purchased two of the best assets within what is now fast becoming Los Angeles cultural epicenter the LA Arts District completed over $613 million in joint ventures in sales receiving assets, we raised over $3 billion of new debt and public equity and earn investment grade credit ratings for all three major ratings. We posted strong fourth quarter earnings in 2015. During that quarter, we executed over 400,000 square feet of new and renewal leases at rents 23% higher on a cash basis and 42% on a GAAP basis. As a result, our in-service office portfolio, which will remind you, includes both stabilized and lease-up assets reached 90.1%, up 60 basis points from the prior quarter. During the quarter we leased over 100,000 square Pinnacle I in Burbank stabilizing that asset…

Mark Lammas

Analyst

Thank you, Victor. Funds from operations, excluding specified items for the three months ended December 31, 2015 totaled $64.8 million or $0.44 per diluted share compared to $22.2 million or $0.32 per share a year ago. The specified items for the fourth quarter 2015 consisted of acquisition-related expense savings of $100,000 or $0 per diluted share. Specified items for the fourth quarter 2014, consisted of expenses associated with the acquisition of the EOP in Northern California portfolio of $4.3 million or $0.06 per diluted share, and costs associated with a one-year consulting arrangement with a former executive of $1.3 million or $0.02 per diluted share. FFO including specified items totaled $64.9 million or $0.44 per diluted share for the three months ended December 31, 2015 compared to $16.6 million or $0.24 per share a year ago. Net loss attributable to common shareholders was $6.5million or $0.07 per diluted share for the three months ended December 31, 2015 compared to net loss of $2.3 million or $0.03 per diluted share for the same period a year ago. Turning to our combined operating results for the fourth quarter, total revenue from continuing operations increased 124.8% to $154.7 million from $68.8 million a year ago. Total operating expenses from continuing operations increased 146.5% to $140.8 million from $57.1 million for the same quarter a year ago. As a result, income from operations increased 18.6% to $13.8 million for the fourth quarter compared to income from operations of $11.6 million for the same quarter a year ago. I will discuss the primary reasons for the increase in total revenue and total operating expenses in connection with our segment operating results. Interest expense during the fourth quarter decreased – I'm sorry, increased 158.8% to $16.6 million compared to interest expense of $6.4 million for the…

Victor Coleman

Analyst

Thanks, Mark. Our fourth quarter results rounded out an impressive and really a landmark year for our company. And as you can tell, particularly from glimpse of our first quarter activity, despite pervasive negative sentiment, we're focused on the execution at the highest levels and creating value for our shareholders in both near and long-term. Thanks to the entire Hud specific team and our terrific senior management for their excellent work and everybody in this call we appreciate your continued support for HPP and we look forward to updating you next quarter. Now, operator, let's open the call for any questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Craig Mailman with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please state your question.

Craig Mailman

Analyst

Hey, guys. So a few questions on the year-to-date leasing activity. On the 860, how much of that is, or I guess 860 and 745, how much of that is new renewal?

Victor Coleman

Analyst

I'm looking, I'm going off of those leases that are either completed or signed and it includes Netflix, which is new. It includes a Alesa for signature. I'm going to say, it it's probably more like60%-70% new and the rest are new, probably the number in terms of 745 a large piece of that is a renewals, that's probably a 50-50 new and renew.

Craig Mailman

Analyst

Okay. And is that the renewal there is that Qualcomm or is that kind of a bunch of small renewals?

Victor Coleman

Analyst

I can't get into the details of that until we're done.

Craig Mailman

Analyst

But, it's like to say it's probably one renewal or not several.

Victor Coleman

Analyst

No, there's lots of renewals in there.

Craig Mailman

Analyst

Okay, all right. And how kind of the makeup of the tenants, that you guys are leasing is it predominantly tech, non-tech and just kind of the sentiment maybe update in San Francisco on the ground from a tenant perspective, are you getting any pushback on rents are you guys still comfortable with that kind of 20%, 25% mark-to-market for 2016 and 2017.

Mark Lammas

Analyst

[indiscernible] second part of your question.

Victor Coleman

Analyst

Absolutely, I mean we just gave you a comp on 1455 and we've rolled out 80% plus mark to market. From a tenant that was rocket fuel that we leased from them 2.5 years ago. So, we backfilled that with [indiscernible] one was tax and one was media. I don't know how else we can continually explain where we think the sentiment is in the marketplace other than the facts that we're throwing out there on consistently looking at both GAAP and cash mark to markets in the 30% plus on the cash side and another 40% plus on the GAAP side. The mix of tenants is just that, it's not all tech, it's not all non-tech. I think when we define the larger deals we've been doing recently with the exception of over the preponderance of those tenants have been credit non-tech related tenants. And the ones that we signed that we've told you about have expect for Gower have all been, non-tech related tenants and the ones that we're signing as we speak or about to sign are going to be mostly a combination of both in the Bay Area.

Craig Mailman

Analyst

Okay. That’s fair. And then just one last one on the leasing, you had mentioned I guess that you're doing deals with less CapEx, are those deals that you guys had penciled in EOP that are just, you guys are spending less and maybe give us an update on the CapEx spend remaining in 2016, 2017 for EOP?

Victor Coleman

Analyst

Yes. I’ll take the first part, and Mark will take the second, I think what's happened is that the demand for some of the space that is available, both in the Peninsula from the new portfolio and the existing stuff in the Bay Area has just needed less TIs. There's been no trend for us to say we're not using less or the capital deployed is less. I think the rents are supporting, but well beyond our under in terms of beating all metrics on that basis. That's not to say that going forward, we're not anticipating spending our full allocated amount and the leasing team is spearheaded by arch crew who know that they will spend whatever is necessary on the budgeted basis on TI and capital improvement base, which is I think we just spent a little less this first eight to ten months into this than we anticipated. On their spend update Craig a couple of those asset sales actually reduced the original projection of that 250 to 250 or amount that we’ve been talking about for the current three- year total spend amount on the Northern California portfolio it’s now a little bit less in 240. In 2015, we spent about 26 of that, so you can do the math, but the rest is expected to be incurred in 2016 and 2017, obviously you’ve heard me say it a million times CapEx can be lumpy, but the current layering in 2016 and 2017 of the remaining spend is about 135 in 2016 and another 75-ish in 2017.

Craig Mailman

Analyst

Okay and then just one last one on the sales, assuming those are smaller buildings given kind of where you guys said, you had to get potential sales, like in the last quarter and then we’re San Bruno came in?

Victor Coleman

Analyst

I mean, listen what we have one in escrow, we have one that we’re hopefully going to put in escrow. We’re not going to talk about it until they’re done, but suffice to say there is sort of a combination of both.

Craig Mailman

Analyst

Okay, great, thanks guys.

Victor Coleman

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Nick Yulico with UBS. Please state your question.

Nick Yulico

Analyst · UBS. Please state your question.

Hi, everyone. On the guidance a couple of questions, I man sounds you getting a lot of leasing done, but it’d pretty helpful to know what your guidance assumes for ending office occupancy for the total in-service portfolio at the end of 2016 and then also like a full year annual NOI number, sorry GAAP and cash possible?

Victor Coleman

Analyst · UBS. Please state your question.

Well, we didn’t. Okay. I mean I guess we could consider that adding that to the guidance update next quarter. Nick, it’s absolutely typically provided, but you’re – in your comments will take. So we’ll consider that for next quarter.

Nick Yulico

Analyst · UBS. Please state your question.

Okay. I may be pretty helpful since any part of story here is that in your NOI you have a lot of leasing, had a lot NOI coming into the portfolio this year in so by in the year you got lot more NOI than you had in 2015. So it is pretty and it’s not sort of obvious what those numbers are from I mean, any other numbers you can sort of put around that for based on your guidance?

Victor Coleman

Analyst · UBS. Please state your question.

Yes. I don’t want – Nick up, obviously we have a model that clearly shows what the NOI expectations in the ending lease percentages, but rather than try to communicate that here on this call. I prefer to think about it. So that I know that it fits squarely within the guidance that we’re providing. So maybe for next quarter Nick will think about adding on.

Craig Mailman

Analyst · UBS. Please state your question.

Okay. Thanks, and then just on the buyback, I guess what, how should we think about your, how you think about your leverage and in relation to a buyback. And then as well how much whether you have to complete asset sales to do a buyback or whether you’re comfortable is doing being able to do a buyback, right away without having those asset sales in place?

Victor Coleman

Analyst · UBS. Please state your question.

Yes, I mean our preference would be, I mean we’re not, we’re our authorization is we are free to use what never from a capital management chooses, but that wouldn’t where we’re not looking to use leverage per se. We’ve been completing asset dispositions, those have been generating considerable capital we’ve been actually buying our leverage down steadily with that and we have some asset potential dispositions on the horizon. Overall, our general view is those dispositions are really the underlying source of potential share repurchases. So we don’t expect they are going to be really any impact in terms of leverage ratios, I would say there is a little bit of, you have to be sort of willing to think about the passage of time and the generation of proceeds from asset sales, as it relates to how we in turn, ultimately access capital to purchase shares. So for example, if we do a massive, our large asset sale, we paid on our line, for example, because that’s the least dilutive use of sales proceeds. And then we’ve laid our access lying in connection with the share repurchase, that’s a smarter less diluted way of allocating capital. But from our point view we don’t look at that as using leverage per se to by share repurchase. Because that access to the revolver was in effect generated through an earlier asset disposition.

Craig Mailman

Analyst · UBS. Please state your question.

Okay, great, thanks guys.

Victor Coleman

Analyst · UBS. Please state your question.

Thanks, Nick.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Jamie Feldman with Bank of America. Please state your question.

Jamie Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America. Please state your question.

Thank you. Can you talk a little bit about the same store comparison this quarter versus this time last year and just maybe, what your drivers are?

Victor Coleman

Analyst · Bank of America. Please state your question.

Yes, sure. Jamie, by the way thank you for that question. I guess for a bunch of time preparing notes on it. Couple of things, it’s only 19 assets, I think that’s a key thing. Unlike a lot of companies who don’t have nearly the type of growth that we do. Our same-store tends to be a lot less representative to our growth and the potential growth on the horizon, but a couple of things. So it’s 4.3 million square feet which is roughly a third of our total office portfolio. You’ll see any and our average percent occupancy went down slightly on a quarter-over- quarter basis 2014 to 2015, there were a few contributors to that Hill College will about, as you know for 55,000 feet, we lost 23,000 foot in the North and Seattle and there is another smaller tenants 19,000 feet and we see at Pinnacle, so some smaller, relatively small expirations accounting for the roll down on occupancy. But given the size of that portfolio doesn’t take much to move in yield. You’ll see that the reported office NOI on a GAAP basis and on a cash basis roll down and there is one key I think, sort of fact that’s helpful but understand what’s really going on here though. In the fourth quarter of 2014, we’ve got a fairly large CAM recovery on 1,455 from Bank of America that, in that particular quarter rolled office revenue. We were, its utility recovery in non-recurring, but in any event it’s sizable enough, given the, again the size of that portfolio was $3.153 million. If you disregard that amount in the fourth quarter of 2014, you actually see, you get a better understanding that what happened on a same-store basis. And on a GAAP basis, for the office component, being flat, instead of down 9.8%, it’s like almost identical quarter-over-quarter and on a cash basis, it actually goes up 7.3% for the office component. So I think that’s the better indicator. And then you can see on a full year basis, the upward trend both on a GAAP and cash basis and especially on a cash basis full year, if you exclude that one-time cam recovery, it goes up in the office component by 11.6%. So, I don’t know, hopefully that addresses your question, but that’s what’s going on.

Jamie Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America. Please state your question.

Okay, that’s helpful and then thinking about this coming year what do you think, I know you wouldn’t give decumbency guidance, but just kind of like internal growth. How do we think about the drivers of internal growth and on a percentage basis what it could look like?

Victor Coleman

Analyst · Bank of America. Please state your question.

I wasn’t dong, – Victor to keep going here, but I was in China. But I just would rather do it in a little bit more disciplined way than sort of pull a model and say it’s this or whatever. But look, I think what Victor walked through in the script, should be an early indicator of what our general expectations are that as I say, we’ve got an extraordinarily high level of activity in the first two months of the year and it points to probably much stronger level of overall leasing activity in 2016 than we saw in 2015. And if that trend continues we expect both to stabilize and in-service portfolio occupancy and lease percentages to reflect that, hopefully by the end of the year and we’re looking to avoid this, but at some point, maybe by next guidance, we’ll give a more precise number. But I would think instead of 90.1%, somewhere in the low 90s, maybe it’s 91%, 92% or something like that.

Mark Lammas

Analyst · Bank of America. Please state your question.

Yes, and I think Jamie somebody who's covered for all these years looks like 2016 is very similar to 2013 for us where we had a lot of leasing and by the end of the year the cash flow will come into play and the numbers are pretty impressive as to where we see the growth for full year 2017 given all the leasing that we've done just in the first two months of this year and we anticipate closing in the next couple of months. That all that will come through year by end of third quarter, fourth quarter this year and full year 2017. And so those numbers are what we've been reflected in the past, telling you that we're anticipating those are not going to come to perforation and we're pretty confident that we're going to get there.

Jamie Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America. Please state your question.

Okay, that's helpful. And then finally in terms of AFFO, how should we think about what your guidance mean I terms of where you can put up there and maybe dividend coverage?

Victor Coleman

Analyst · Bank of America. Please state your question.

Yes, look, we modeled on the dividend coverage that we're at the current quarterly run rate, we're right around even covers, I say we've adjusted our coverage – we just about covers. In terms of AFFO and trying to give you a precise number I will tell you, Jamie, it's been so difficult to pin down with any level of real precision that recurring CapEx and TI and commission because it's like I said it's so trade in off of not just timing of leasing but that the timing of the build outs and then in turn the allowances and so forth. So, obviously we have a model but I don't think it's productive to try to give you a sense for exactly where FFO shakes out in the quarter, I mean in the coming year.

Jamie Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America. Please state your question.

Okay. Do you guys think you might be in a position to raise the dividend again next year?

Victor Coleman

Analyst · Bank of America. Please state your question.

I don't – I mean the first criteria is tax and obviously we have to, that's not going to ultimately decide how much the dividend is and whether or not we raised, but under our projections we don't anticipate at dividend increase this year.

Jamie Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America. Please state your question.

Okay. All right, thank you.

Victor Coleman

Analyst · Bank of America. Please state your question.

Thanks, Jamie.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Alexander Goldfarb with Sandler O'Neill. Please state your question.

Alexander Goldfarb

Analyst

Hi, guys, good afternoon out there. Victor, maybe with answered to question, what's going on tenants or what's going on the leasing front, maybe you could just provide a sort of tone difference across your three major markets. Over the past six months as far as have all the markets moved in step or maybe one market is sort of, getting more optimistic with activity where maybe the other two markets are the same now that they were a year ago.

Victor Coleman

Analyst

Yes, sure. Let's just start to take a sequentially, we will start with Northwest. As my prepared remarks indicated we are seeing increase in rents, we're seeing increase in occupancy and obviously the information I disclosed on our utility bills asset which we having been broken ground and the activity there is showing a strong indication of a current trend, that's on the upward swing, we're going to see in those markets that we're in and primarily in Pioneer Square rental rates that are going to be really at all-time high. We have multiple proposals on the remainder of the space that we were hopeful to announce at least four, as I mentioned, half of space almost imminently, and so that's obviously a clear indication. And we've seen a sequentially move up over the last four or five quarters but we really see the opportunity for our staff to be pretty active. Obviously you're seeing what's happening on the banter around the very minimal sublease space and how quickly it's been gobbled up. Our peers are talking exactly the way we're talking on the ground. We're seeing de minimis impacts in the Bay Area across the Board. And as a result, we've got a tremendous amount of LOIs throughout the entire portfolio from San Francisco down to San Jose, and it's obviously slightly less than we've seen in the past in terms of the activity, but from our standpoint, the stuff that we currently have available, which is very little in the city is all that spoken for or LOIs or [indiscernible] and the Peninsula, we got the preponderance of some super strong markets where you're seeing rental rate growth continue and in other markets it's flat. And so it's a mix. And as I mentioned, the quality of tenants…

Alexander Goldfarb

Analyst

So you have, so you've seen no discernible0020change in the demand from tenants over the past six months across the three markets, it's not like, they are more active, they are less active, they've been pretty constant over the past six months just reflecting the trends that you just described, is that correct?

Victor Coleman

Analyst

I say very simply, the pipeline remains strong and active in those markets and perception maybe many people take a little longer to get deals done, but that's all normal part of transactional timeframe. Sometimes deals get done quickly and sometimes they just take a little longer. Right now we're very comfortable with the combination of those markets and the pace by which we're getting deals done.

Alexander Goldfarb

Analyst

Okay. Mark, on the guidance, the dispositions that you discussed that one and that's potentially hope to assume in escrow. Are those in guidance or those are not in guidance.

Mark Lammas

Analyst

The one that's in escrow is quite small. And without disclosing, it does not [indiscernible]. So it’s same in guidance. The one that's not in escrow is that in guidance, I didn't say we assume the ongoing ownership of it, because we haven't we are not under contract or anything.

Alexander Goldfarb

Analyst

And then just finally, if it's a small hedging for the studios are small relative to the overall portfolio, but that atomic chances are always as very interesting what prompted the change in the occupancy methodology and if the states would never use before wireless accounted, or wireless accounted in the occupancy methodology before?

Victor Coleman

Analyst

I think you have the benefit of being a little newer to our name and but if you were to sort of think back or you have had involves 6 years ago. I think you would have heard an explanation that these assets were acquired by our predecessor and at the time they undertook a measurement of this portfolio, and we have financials that went on occupancies that went, since they were contributed under accounting rules, we were required to the predecessor rules to live with those refer earlier measurements and so forth at the time of IPO and so on the company has just continue to kind of utilized that, but we have been aware for a while. We just wanted to make sure we did a really thorough analysis, but we've been aware that certain footage carried in that historic measurement like covered pathways or transformer rooms and other things, which might have been maybe find for other reasons including in a gross measurement, one of things that you could ever get tenancy in and so we undertook that analysis. The other thing too is we've been our management office there has been fairly migratory and we've changed that and we've got permanent space built out there and that has enabled us to actually reflect that utilization like you would in any other office occupancy analysis. So we wanted to do the analysis so we could conform more closely to the way you would reflect occupancy in office, we just needed this to actually undertake that analysis. And you can imagine, it takes a little while not only to really do a thorough analysis of a million square feet of a unique type of product like that, but also we had to – and a whole team had to spend inordinate time doing all the historical occupancies to be consistent with that. So that's in a nutshell. We just wanted to get it right.

Alexander Goldfarb

Analyst

Okay, appreciate it. Thank you, Mark, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Ian Weissman with Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Ian Weissman

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, good afternoon. I mean, you guys are clearly very optimistic about the business today and rightfully so, you've heard this time and time again from your, whereas this quarter that fundamentals in San Francisco are obviously very, very good. But you can't ignore some of the noise that we've heard in the global macro and U.S. macro, in the credit markets and even maybe not all tech tenants, but certain tenants have certainly had some issues. So I guess my question is and I don't know when the end of the recovery is, but why not be more aggressive today at just selling non-core or selling assets whether non-core or core assets, reducing some of your exposure and whether being more aggressive in buying back stock for having the liquidity. I mean how do you think about the $100 million of asset sales and then maybe just up in that significantly taking advantage of what is still a pretty strong base for your asset class in the end-market?

Victor Coleman

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

let me sort of address that. So, we sold 300 million, so you give or take a little bit more than that in a fairly quick time frame. We've got a couple assets that we're looking to sell. We haven't told you what the amounts are in the assets and we've launched the buyback plan. So I think we are taking advantage of that given where we see that the markets today and the disparity between the private and the public valuations. That's also to say that we think that there may be other opportunities out there. The portfolio – as a core portfolio has been extremely synergistic to the growth of Hudson and we continually prove that based on the results that were measured off of on a quarter-by-quarter basis or an annual basis. And so for us to take that same momentum swing and go back three years and say, well the markets are cooperating in the same level we should get out of the markets, we've taken NOI yields at levels that were currently in place and grown them considerably over those years and we anticipate the same thing. I think the value of the portfolio we have today and the lease-up that we're doing is going to make these assets on a stabilized basis worth a lot more than they currently are today. We've got several assets that are not in service and that will be coming online. And at the time, we'll evaluate those and I say fifth quarter portfolio or not. Suffice to say that we have been extremely flexible in our approach or continued to look at that going forward. And I'm not saying it was limited to just two assets for sale, there are two assets right now we're looking at. And when we get through those we'll look at others if possible and it make some sense. We'll end up a value in the time.

Ian Weissman

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

How does your approach change if the stock continues to trade has wide of a discount as it does today?

Victor Coleman

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Well its trading, why it a discount, because nobody's giving benefit for good news. They're only giving benefit –the negative news is portrayed on a magnified basis and when people come out and decipher the sentiment is where the thing is going this is where stocks to be trend versus fat then people are going to end up evaluated based on somebody's determination what sentiment is, where our basis is to say, forget about sentiment, we're doing only in facts. And facts today are performance is what will evaluate with sockets and we can look at it from a moment in time. That's what you do, you like to look at it from in-place moment in time, which is not valid. We look at it as to tell you the portfolio and consistently right now we're seeing private valuations and public valuations are not matching and you can sit there and say, it's wider, it's wrong but until the markets globally shift on that basis, I think only we can do is consuming performing the levels are performing at.

Ian Weissman

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

I appreciate that color. Thank you.

Victor Coleman

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our final question comes from Rich Anderson with Mizuho Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Rich Anderson

Analyst

Thanks, good afternoon. First of all, on the decision to kind of not isolate the DX portfolio occupancy process any longer. I guess, I'm just curious what should we expect to hear from you on that. I mean, considering the majority of the CapEx is yet to be spent and you've done a fantastic job leasing up to this point seems like you're missing out on the opportunity to continue to tell that story, what we should we be expecting from you guys next quarter and beyond in terms of how you will kind of craft your comments on how you’re doing there.

Victor Coleman

Analyst

Thanks for the complement, Rich. So listen, I think it’s not the same portfolio when you’ve sold 10% of that portfolio offers an example. So the numbers we’re going to ship. I think secondarily, you’ll be able to decipher based on the markets and the way we’ve presented our supplemental what assets are performing and what assets aren’t performing and what regions are performing and what regions aren’t and as time goes by, I think your familiarity will help you get there even further. When we complete the series of leases and renewals that we’re working on, I think it’s going to be a clearer picture. Overall though, we’re going to roll into a same store at the end of this quarter for the totality of the company and there won’t be a differentiation between legacy and Blackstone. And I think you’ll see how the flow of occupancy will increase based on the totality to portfolio and as we add more assets that are in service to our redevelopment and development pipeline, which comes online, I think it’s going to be a cleaner way of looking at it. I do understand and as I said, I appreciate the compliment of the work that our team has done to get the occupancy level from the low 80% to 90% plus on that portfolio, but overall the whole portfolio will sort of move in tandem. And I think it will make a lot more sense as time goes by.

Rich Anderson

Analyst

Okay, fair enough. In terms of the buyback, speaking again to that portfolio, have you on earth any potential, additional sale candidates, asset sale candidates that got you more and more comfortable to do a buyback or is this not really disposition driving, this is purely you are seeing where your stock is trading in and you want to take advantage of some of that.

Victor Coleman

Analyst

No, two absolutely separate and distinct issues. The potential dispositions are just that, their potential dispositions, the ones we've done in the ones we're looking to do and we will consistently look at that at all times in the marketplace as I mentioned within, it's not going to be just a depended upon because the market is good or bad, if the assets up in the portfolio, they don't fit. The buyback is a first step in looking at what's in the best interest of shareholder value for us to take into account based on how we're trading versus our belief and what anything should be. And the substantial discount will enable us to continue to do that. And as Mark mentioned in his prepared remarks, I mean, you're looking at a combination of dispositions. A combination of potential buyback or accommodation of potential acquisitions, depending on what's the right play for the company at the right time.

Rich Anderson

Analyst

Okay. And then lastly on the dividend, how close do you still to having to raise the dividend again for requirement reasons or did the 60% increase really kind of put that type of pressure fully behind the company for now?

Mark Lammas

Analyst

Yes, under our two-year forecast, the dividend raise should cover us in terms of income.

Rich Anderson

Analyst

All right, got you. All right, Thank you.

Victor Coleman

Analyst

Thanks, Rich.

Operator

Operator

At this time, I would like to turn the call back over to Mr. Coleman, for closing remarks.

Victor Coleman

Analyst

Thank you so much for participating, and I appreciate the dedication and following Hudson. We'll see you next quarter.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.