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Huntsman Corporation (HUN)

Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Tue, Oct 27, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Quarter Three 2015 Huntsman Corporation Earnings Conference Call. My name is Carolyn and I'll be your operator for today. At this time, all participants are on listen-only mode. We will conduct a question-and-answer session towards the end of this conference. As a reminder, the call is recorded for replay purposes. And now I'd like to turn the call over to Kurt Ogden, Vice President, Investor Relations and Finance. Please proceed, sir.

Kurt D. Ogden - Vice President, Investor Relations

Management

Thank you, Carolyn, and good morning, everyone. Joining us on the call today are Jon Huntsman, our Founder and Executive Chairman; Peter Huntsman, President and CEO; and Kimo Esplin, Executive Vice President and CFO. This morning, before the market opened, we released our earnings for the third quarter via press release and posted it on our website, huntsman.com. We also posted a set of slides on our website, which we intend to use on the call this morning in the discussion of our results. During this call, we may make statements about our projections or expectations for the future. All such statements are forward-looking statements, and while they reflect our current expectations, they involve risks and uncertainties, and are non-guarantees of future performance. You should review our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission for more information regarding the factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these projections or expectations. We do not plan on publicly updating or revising any forward-looking statements during the quarter. In addition, we will also refer to non-GAAP financial measures such as EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA, and adjusted net income or loss. You can find reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures in our earnings release, which has been posted on our website at huntsman.com. We have chosen to include certain comparisons of our results to prior periods on a pro forma basis, adjusted to include the acquisition of the Performance Additives and Titanium Dioxide businesses of Rockwood Holdings and the related sale of our TR52 product line, used in printing inks, to Henan Billions Chemicals. We believe this helps to provide a better understanding of our Pigments and Additives division. In our earnings release this morning, we reported third quarter 2015 revenue of $2.638 billion, adjusted EBITDA of $311 million,…

Kurt D. Ogden - Vice President, Investor Relations

Management

Thank you, Peter. Carolyn, will you explain the procedure for questions and then open the line for the questions to be taken?

Operator

Operator

Okay. Thank you. And the first question comes from the line of Bob Koort from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Robert Andrew Koort - Goldman Sachs & Co.: Thank you very much. Peter, can you give us some sense? Your urgency to spend TiO2 seems somewhat challenged by a lack of profitability there. So is there an earnings threshold you have in mind before you could do an encouraging spin, or is it possible to spin even if you have these trough-like conditions? Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Well, I think, Bob, you need to have a viable ongoing business. It's going to have a positive cash flow. Now I think that as we look at our savings, so far this year we believe that through the end of 2015, we'll accomplish $75 million of savings in our Pigments and Additives business. We'll have another at least $100 million through 2016. In addition to that $100 million, we'll have another $30 million of cost savings through the startup of our Augusta color pigment facility. So, $175 million to $200 million of cost savings coming into this division. But I think that before we spin it, we obviously have to have a viable ongoing business that is able to generate meaningful positive cash flow. Exactly where that is in the cycle? I wouldn't say that we're exactly sure down to the penny, but I do believe that we'll be in a position hopefully in the middle or latter part of this next year. J. Kimo Esplin - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Ongoing CapEx in that business is probably going to be around $60 million, $70 million. So obviously you need EBITDA in excess of that to be cash-flow positive, if it's modestly leveraged.…

Operator

Operator

Thank you for that question. The next question we have comes from the line of Jim Sheehan from SunTrust. Please go ahead.

Jim M. Sheehan - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Management

Thanks. Peter, could you give us your current outlook on MDI operating rates by region? Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Well, I think that as we look at that on a by-region basis, and again, as I look at that on a regional basis, I don't have the information as to what competitors are doing. And so, as I look at that, it's – I'm taking a stab at these sort of rates. But if I look at the Asia market, you're probably looking at somewhere in the very high-70%s to around an 80% capacity utilization. As I look around Europe, you're probably in the high 80%s to 90% capacity utilization. And the Americas is somewhere around the 90% capacity utilization. I will remind you that those are very macro numbers on the industry. And as you look at your downstream businesses where we have seen margins fall on the more commoditized end of our MDI supply chain, on the more specialty end of the MDI supply chain, many of those grades, I won't say that they are impervious to supply capacity utilization, but they're far less sensitive to capacity operating rates. I'd also remind you that as you look at some of those downstream derivative products, you may be long in Asia, but shipping a lot of those products cryogenically where you have – it's very expensive to ship and the longer those products are on the water, if you will, they start to discolor and so forth. So the idea that you've got too much capacity in one region and perhaps better balance in another, that doesn't necessarily mean that the balanced region is going to be flooded by the region that's overbalanced. So I hope that makes sense. What I'm trying to say, it's more than just a simple capacity rate exercise to see where profitability is in polyurethanes. J. Kimo Esplin - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: And maybe specifically I can add, Jim, again, we mentioned that 30% of our urethane business is this component business and we mentioned the China component margins have dropped, where in China roughly half of our business is component. But in the Americas and in Europe, our margins have remained relatively healthy in that component area. So it's been primarily limited to sort of Chinese pressure right now.

Jim M. Sheehan - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Management

Thanks a lot for all the detail. And moving over to TiO2, do you see any more opportunity for Huntsman to do capacity rationalization there or do you expect that to occur with one of your competitors? Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: I probably shouldn't be commenting on what our competitors may or may not do with their capacity utilization. As I look at the steps that Huntsman has taken to rationalize capacity and also permanently close capacity, I think that on a percentage basis, at least from that information that's been publicly released, we have been the industry's leader in this area. And I think that as we look at this, this is something that we're going to continue to assess internally and I think that we've taken some very bold steps in this direction.

Jim M. Sheehan - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Management

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for the question. The next question we have comes from the line of John Roberts from UBS. Please go ahead. John, you're live on the call. You may have yourself on mute.

John E. Roberts - UBS Securities LLC

Management

Yes. Hi. Can you hear me now?

Kurt D. Ogden - Vice President, Investor Relations

Management

We can. Yeah.

John E. Roberts - UBS Securities LLC

Management

Hi. Guys, the focus has been on exiting the lower value businesses. Any thought to monetizing the higher value businesses? Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Well, I think that it's fair to say that as a company we're continuously reviewing strategic alternatives and ways to improve and increase shareholder value. Are we out actively trying to monetize or try to sell the higher value-added ends of the business? No, we're not. But, again, I think that we owe to our shareholders to continuously be looking at our portfolio and see where we can create the most value.

John E. Roberts - UBS Securities LLC

Management

Okay. And then, is it fair to say that any strategic options you pursue in TiO2 will be unlikely to require more cash in? Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yes.

John E. Roberts - UBS Securities LLC

Management

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for that question. The next question comes from the line of P.J. Juvekar from Citi. Please go ahead.

P.J. Juvekar - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Broker

Yes. Hi. Thank you. Kimo, a quick question for you. Last year, you talked about free cash flow about a year ago and how management was being compensated on it. But then we haven't had much free cash flow since then. Does a decline in TiO2 explain most of it? J. Kimo Esplin - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: P.J., no, we've been consistent with the story. We told you and the market repeatedly that 2015 was an investment year where we wouldn't have a lot of free cash flow. We had $200 million of restructuring in the Rockwood business. We told you that we are going to have at least $100 million of capital to replace IT systems within Rockwood. 2015 was never going to be a very good free cash flow year. We've always focused you on 2017, and we said that that was a $700 million free cash flow year. And we've recently said that 2016 would be $350 million better than 2015. So, well on our way to that $700 million number. But 2015 never was going to be a good free cash flow year. Now, management is paid on free cash flow. It is relative to budget, and we have budgeted pretty where we're coming out in 2015. It was going to be, for the most part, a break-even year from free cash flow.

P.J. Juvekar - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Broker

Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that. And then, just sort of overall question, one of your customers was commenting on Henan Billions and improvement in quality of their chloride TiO2 product. What's your view on that? And if that's successful, would you encourage others to build more chloride TiO2 plants? Thank you. Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Again, P.J., I don't think I'm in a position to comment on what competitors may or may not build. I would say that at the present market conditions with TiO2, whether you're a chloride producer or a sulfate producer, whether you're in China or in North America, whether you have low cost gas or whether you have cheap labor, in today's margins I'd just be shocked if anybody is out there looking at investing money in new TiO2 capacity thinking that this is a wise move.

P.J. Juvekar - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Broker

And specifically the chloride, I mean, in a given region, I would suggest that probably margins for sulfate and chloride are pretty similar. So it doesn't appear to me that there is any advantage for chloride in Asia where you have sulfate and chloride, or in Europe where you have sulfate and chloride. Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question we have comes from the line of Aleks Yefremov. Please go ahead.

Aleksey Yefremov - Nomura Securities International, Inc.

Management

Thank you and good morning. Could you comment on your fourth quarter EBITDA outlook? I think in your prior press release, you had expected around $300 million. Is this still the goal? Thank you. Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. I think that as we look at our fourth quarter, we're probably looking at a very similar fourth quarter to last year. I don't think that we're going to see the large seasonal drop-off from third quarter to fourth quarter that we typically see in this business, because I think a lot of our third quarter volume, some of that was pushed into the fourth quarter and some of the margin that we would like to have seen in the third quarter we pushed into the fourth quarter. But as I sit here and look today, very early in the fourth quarter, we haven't gotten any results from the fourth quarter, just looking at order patterns and so forth, I think it's going to look similar to where we were a year ago in our fourth quarter earnings. I would just say that if I have a concern, I look at the C-Factors of MTBE, which change on a daily basis and they're about 40% lower than they were a year ago. That's a large volume commodity product that we have and it's about 50% lower than it was in the third quarter from where we sit today. So, that's something that changes on a regular basis. Also I'd say that as we look at the North American price on TiO2 going into the fourth quarter, it appears that there continues to be slippage on that North American TiO2 price going into fourth quarter and what impact that's going to have in other regions on pricing and so forth, it's simply too early to tell. But those are probably two variables that we'll be commenting on further in conferences and so forth as we get further into the quarter.

Aleksey Yefremov - Nomura Securities International, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Peter. And a follow-up question on your MDI volume softness in the Americas, what was the reason behind that? Is there any connection with what's happening in MDI in Asia? Thank you. Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: No, I don't think that it's any connection with MDI in Asia. I think that we've had year-to-date looking at the numbers. I think that we just had a slower construction market than we would have expected. And as we look at some of the construction and the insulation markets and so forth, those have been softer than I would have expected. They were particularly softer at the beginning of the year. And as you've seen with housing starts and so forth, we've seen a stronger number late in the third quarter, beginning of the fourth quarter. So I think a later start than what most people probably anticipated, including us. But I don't see a lot of MDI products that are produced in North America that are shipped to Asia that would be adversely affected by the slowdown in Asia. J. Kimo Esplin - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: And that insulation construction market that we're pointing to that was soft for us is largely a commercial construction market for us.

Aleksey Yefremov - Nomura Securities International, Inc.

Management

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question we have comes from the line of Frank Mitsch of Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead.

Frank J. Mitsch - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Management

Good morning, gentlemen. And Kimo, congratulations on doing the refinancing when the debt windows were much more attractive than they are today. So, kudos in that regard. Peter, you've mentioned that you're expecting 2016 EBITDA to be higher than 2015. And I was wondering does that also include TiO2, since we do seem to be exiting 2015 with a bit of a whimper, and probably not large reasons for optimism in 2016 other than perhaps the self-help stuff that you guys are doing. Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. I would say that we're entering the end of the year at the TiO2 market with probably more of a howl than a whimper. But as I look throughout the next year in TiO2, again, with the cost-cutting and so forth that is coming into place, Huntsman will be taking every advantage we possibly can to increase prices should market conditions so warrant. And I would be very hopeful that fourth quarter 2016 TiO2 margins are certainly going to be better than they are today for this company. As I look around the rest of the company, I do see expanded growth in our margins. This past year, in 2015, we had a very large maintenance shutdown in the first quarter that was planned that we won't be having this next year. We'll have the benefit of a new ethylene oxide facility and the downstream derivatives that that will be bringing. And we'll have some of the benefits of continued growth in aerospace and the automotive market and our downstream businesses. So, yes, I think in our next conference call we'll probably be giving some more guidance on a division-by-division basis as to how we see 2016. But right now, if we see similar market conditions in 2016 to 2015, we certainly expect a stronger year from an EBITDA basis and from a free cash flow basis in 2016 than we've seen in 2015. J. Kimo Esplin - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Assuming TiO2 is in both years on that comparison. Again, a 2016 year that may not be great for TiO2, but still will be better overall.

Frank J. Mitsch - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Management

Okay. Terrific. That's helpful. And just a follow-up. You had mentioned obviously the 8% decline in North American pricing and you're seeing that continuing to slip here in North America in Q4, I believe you just said. What are you seeing in Europe and Asia in that regard? Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Well, we look at dollar pricing. Again, we sell product in Europe both in euros and in dollars, but I'll do dollar pricing just because it's easier to track global prices that way. And from the second to the third quarter in our pricing, I'm just talking about Huntsman here, prices were only $2 difference per ton one quarter to next. I mean, they really were absolutely flat, whereas in that same time period you saw a better than a $200 a ton fall from the second to the third quarter. So I'd like to think, and I think I've called the bottom of the TiO2 market in the previous five conference calls, I'd like to think that as you look at the European TiO2 pricing, we're not seeing erosion from the second to the third quarter. Now I didn't say anything about the fourth quarter, because we're still out trying to keep prices stable or increase if we possibly can in face of a falling North American market. But as we look at the European pricing from second to third quarter, it looks like you've hit a bottom here. And as you look at the APAC on a dollar basis, prices fell there about $75 a ton and NAFTA again with over $200 a ton. So I'd like to think we've hit the bottom in that European market. Asia, the drop in pricing in Asia seems to be slowing, and NAFTA is rapidly catching Asia and Europe. J. Kimo Esplin - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Whereas we started the year with almost a $600 – well, in the first quarter, almost a $600 per ton differential between U.S. and European dollar prices. We're probably going to be ending the year at close to $200 a ton differential...

Frank J. Mitsch - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Management

Terrific. That's great. J. Kimo Esplin - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: ...which is about the freight cost to get product from point A to point B globally. Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah.

Frank J. Mitsch - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Management

Terrific. Thank you so much. Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thank you, Frank.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question we have comes from the line of Hassan Ahmed from Alembic Global. Please go ahead.

Hassan I. Ahmed - Alembic Global Advisors LLC

Management

Morning, Peter. Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Morning, Hassan.

Hassan I. Ahmed - Alembic Global Advisors LLC

Management

Peter, a quick question on the MDI side of things. One of your competitors, one of your sort of publicly-traded U.S. company competitors talked about polyurethane strength and they particularly cited China in Q3. So I'm just trying to get a sense. I mean, my understanding is you guys, obviously, saw weakness in the overall MDI market. I'm just trying to get a sense, was it sort of share losses? Was it de-stocking? Was it the overall market compressing? Or a combination of all three? Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Well, I think there's the trend – first of all, I'm not aware of any customer that we have lost or any market share that we have lost in the Chinese market in the third quarter. So I think that what we saw in the third quarter, and I compare that with other products within Huntsman in the third quarter, I compare that with what some of our largest Chinese competitor has seen in past quarters, and what some of our other competitors that have Chinese manufacturing footprints have reported in China, I don't think that our numbers are at all inconsistent with what others have done. The company, and I'm not sure we're both talking about the same company you made reference to earlier, but they probably may have other urethane products in their portfolio, maybe starting from a different volume base than what Huntsman has. I'm just – again, without looking at details on the numbers, can't accurately comment on that. But, again, I think that the market conditions that we're seeing in China, we certainly are not losing customers or market share. And I think that we supply into everything from automotive to construction, to footwear, to personal products, consumer products and so forth. I think we have a very wide base that's reflective of the overall Chinese GDP.

Hassan I. Ahmed - Alembic Global Advisors LLC

Management

Very fair. And moving on to TiO2, you guys talked about the pricing differential between Europe and the U.S. compressing from, if I remember correctly, $600 a ton to $200 a ton. And obviously this was one of the reasons why, over the last couple of quarters, we saw sort of pricing come down in the U.S. Has this sort of reduction in that differential actually resulted in lesser European product coming to the U.S.? Have you started seeing that? Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Well, I would still – I again can't comment on competitors. Huntsman, internally, we will continue to take advantage of places where we can move our product and ship our product at a higher price and where we have opportunity to do that in North America. We not only have North American production, but we also have routes to market from Europe to North America. We'll continue to aggressively take advantage of that.

Hassan I. Ahmed - Alembic Global Advisors LLC

Management

Super. Thanks so much, Peter. Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Mike Ritzenthaler from Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead. Mike Ritzenthaler - Piper Jaffray & Co (Broker): Yes. Good morning. Yes. In terms of cost and productivity, Peter, you had obviously mentioned pigment synergies as ongoing. The reductions in CapEx I think make a lot of sense. But what role can cost efficiencies in the core businesses play in achieving some of the profit growth that you've outlined in the pre- (43:02) – because it sounds as though you're more or less satisfied with the structure of the core segments? Is that fair? Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Well, I think that as we look at the restructuring that we've done through the company, I look at that very much like I would CapEx expenditures where we're investing cash, investing dollars in divisions, and we want to make sure that we are restructuring the cost of those businesses to take into account what we see in global trends and growth and so forth. So, two years ago and this past year and finishing up earlier this year, we spent considerable amount of money in our Textile Effects and in our Advanced Materials divisions. And I think that's money very well spent and the impact of that is reflective in our expanded margins which have almost doubled in Advanced Materials. It has gone from a solid negative number to a near double-digit sort of number in Textile Effects. So I think that as we look at that cost basis within the company, I don't know if I'm ever happy with where we are as far as our cost structure, there's always room for improvement, but I think that we're in a comfortable zone right now. Mike Ritzenthaler…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question we have comes from the line of Laurence Alexander from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Laurence Alexander - Jefferies LLC

Management

Good morning. Just a quick one. Given the curtailment in your CapEx, is there any impact on your operating leverage, if demand – if volumes do improve in 2017, 2018, or how do you think about operating leverage? Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: I think we've got sufficient capacity in our business today. We've got sufficient de-bottleneck capacity in our businesses today. And many of these projects we have delayed and some of them that we've canceled. Those that we've canceled, as we look at those, Laurence, I think that we probably – if the demand all of a sudden globally were to return to where it was maybe two years ago or something, you see near double-digit growth in China and so forth, I think we could resuscitate those projects as quickly as we'd need to. But, again, I think that where we see global trends kind of moving in the next year or two years and our CapEx budget over the course of the next two years, I think that we're going to be able to achieve reliability, we're going to be able to achieve downstream differentiation and some small strategic growth where we need to. J. Kimo Esplin - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Specifically, the $450 million will allow us to de-bottleneck our amines plant in Singapore. We have de-bottlenecks, as Peter mentioned, in both Rosenberg and in Geismar in MDI, but also it includes an expansion of our multi-functional product that goes into aerospace for Advanced Materials. In all of those key areas that includes completion of the current projects that I think we have disclosed in our conferences and have a slide on.

Laurence Alexander - Jefferies LLC

Management

And then, separately on Advanced Materials, can you give a little bit of granularity about which end markets you've seen particular weakness in? And was it just a pause that you saw related to the lull that you saw in Chinese orders or is it an ongoing erosion in activity? Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Just looking for some more granular data here on Advanced Materials. J. Kimo Esplin - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Well, so aerospace, as you know, has continued to be fairly strong. The area that we tend to de-select and hasn't been all that strong for us is coatings and construction. We have seen some strength in wind in that business just recently, and our electrical insulating businesses have been fairly strong there. But, generally, consistent with what Peter mentioned around urethanes, we saw Asia as a soft market for us in the third quarter. Across the company, we were close to double-digit volumes down in Asia for the third quarter, and that's part of what prompted our pre-release that we saw a very soft August, particularly in China.

Laurence Alexander - Jefferies LLC

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question we have comes from the line of David Wang from Morningstar. Please go ahead.

David Wang - Morningstar Research

Management

Hi. Thank you for taking my question. Just wanted to ask a little bit more about polyurethane volumes and margins. How much of the EBITDA growth that you expect should be predicated on China growth at current levels or a little higher, weaker than we saw in Q3? I'm wondering because we've seen some capacity additions by yourself and competitors in the region and just as we're seeing demand sort of decelerating. So it'd be great if you can add some color on that. Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: I think that as we look at our MDI growth in margin and in volume, I would put much greater emphasis on what we're seeing in Europe and North America, both in margin expansion and to some degree volume expansion, given the fact that these two products – or these two markets alone make up greater than 80% of our overall demand globally. Again, China's a great market. It's always going to be there, and it's going to be longer-term. It's going to be a continuously growing market for us. But when we talk about MDI and we talk about polyurethanes, we talk about downstream differentiation, we talk about where we have our lowest cost production platforms, where we have the most extensive networks, they're in North America and Europe, and that will be where the future of our margin expansion overall for the company is going to be. J. Kimo Esplin - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: And the expansion we've done in China, specifically in MDI, is a plant with BASF that is a 2018 plant. And so, that is out there a ways. We're currently selling all of our product that is produced in China and MDI we're completely sold out. Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Matter of fact, we're importing MDI into China and buying product for resale in China. So it's a good market for us.

David Wang - Morningstar Research

Management

Okay. Great. And your margins in Performance Products and Advanced Materials continues to be pretty high this quarter versus the past couple of years. I was wondering if you can talk a little bit more about how much of that is attributable to the cost cuts within your control versus lower raw material costs? Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: I think that when we look at Performance Products, most of the earnings there, two-thirds of the earnings there is coming from our amines and our maleic anhydride businesses. Those are businesses that have really not benefited a great deal by falling raw materials or by cutting costs. They benefited by the past capital that we've invested in those businesses and new capacities and building up on our routes to market. When we look at our Advanced Materials, again, I think that the overall business that certainly benefited in the margin expansion has taken place by cost-cutting. But, going forward, I think that when we look at the growth that's taking place in the automotive industry, the aerospace industry, DIY industry and so forth, and our epoxies in Composites division, most of that growth is going to be taking place in expanding our customer base and our technology.

David Wang - Morningstar Research

Management

Great. Thank you for taking my questions. Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Roger Spitz from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Roger Neil Spitz - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Management

Thank you. Good morning. Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Morning, Roger.

Roger Neil Spitz - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Management

Can you break the Pigments and Additives Q3 EBITDA of $5 million down between the TiO2 and non-TiO2 EBITDA? And of the $39 million for the year-over-year, the $39 million from Rockwood, can you tell us what part of the $39 million was TiO2? Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah, sure. Just pulling that up here, Roger.

Roger Neil Spitz - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Management

Great. J. Kimo Esplin - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: So, Roger, so we mentioned that the Rockwood business contributed roughly $15 million in the quarter, and that business was impacted roughly another $5 million for the blast we had. So you can pro forma that up by another $5 million, so call it $20 million, if you will. When you look at the overall business, the TiO2 business had a negative EBITDA of $10 million. Again, Rockwood being a positive EBITDA, the Huntsman legacy business being negative EBITDA.

Roger Neil Spitz - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Management

Okay. And the year-over-year, the $39 million, how much of that was TiO2 from Rockwood? J. Kimo Esplin - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: From Rockwood?

Roger Neil Spitz - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Management

Yeah. The $39 million from Q3 2014, right, $18 million was your TiO2? J. Kimo Esplin - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Yeah. Sorry. It was almost all of our legacy business was impacted. I think year-over-year there was a $27 million reduction in EBITDA from our legacy Huntsman TiO2 business, if that helps.

Roger Neil Spitz - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Management

Okay. And lastly, you said a third of the Performance Products EBITDA was from the upstream ethylene intermediates and surfactants. I wonder how much of that 33% is (55:03) just ethylene cracker itself. It feels like the vast majority of that might be that. Would that be a fair comment? J. Kimo Esplin - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: No. The surfactants business is the most part of toll business and it makes up most of that.

Roger Neil Spitz - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Management

Most of that. Okay. J. Kimo Esplin - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: And glycol – surfactants and glycol that third, yeah.

Roger Neil Spitz - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Management

So you're saying that the Port Neches ethylene is a much smaller part of that? J. Kimo Esplin - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Well, it's a 400 million pound cracker. It's not a massive contributor to EBITDA here. And it does contribute, and we like it, but it's not most of that one-third. Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. So it's maybe somewhere around a third of the earnings of that surfactants and what we would say the upstream business.

Roger Neil Spitz - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Management

All right. Thank you very much.

Kurt D. Ogden - Vice President, Investor Relations

Management

Carolyn, this is Kurt. I believe we have time for one more question.

Operator

Operator

Okay. We have another question from the line of Herb Hardt from Monness. Please go ahead. Herbert A. Hardt - Monness, Crespi, Hardt & Co., Inc.: Morning. My question is back to TiO2 and can you give us a sense of operating rates for the company by region? Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah, sort of just pulling that up. I think that as we look at it on a global basis, the operating rates, again it's tough to see competitor capacity here. There is no published data in that area. It feels like we're probably globally somewhere around 80%, low-80%s capacity utilization. And I think that as we look in each of the regions, I think it's probably within a couple of points of that, that low- to mid-80% capacity utilization. Herbert A. Hardt - Monness, Crespi, Hardt & Co., Inc.: Okay. Thank you very much. Peter R. Huntsman - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thank you.

Kurt D. Ogden - Vice President, Investor Relations

Management

This is Kurt. We want to thank everybody for joining us on the call today, and we will I'm sure speak to you during the course of the quarter. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, Kurt. Thank you for your participation in today's conference, ladies and gentlemen. That concludes the presentation. You may now disconnect, and have a good day.